Hey, look! Those bastard bikers aren't giving kiddies toys!

[James Deuce]

What complete bastards!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/63997395/Bikers-30-year-toy-run-hits-end-of-the-road

The Salvation Army never deserved the kudos they earned on the back of some people trying to help anyway. Bunch of homophobic racists.

Time to reimagine the sacred biker Toy Run comcept I reckon.

[Banditbandit]

Birthright will almost certainly take the toys ..

[Tazz]

Anal speed tolerance at the cost of Police time and resources, scaffolding to do anything on a building, compulsory long sleeves for builders so they don't get sunburnt, no secondhand toys for H&S reasons, handing out mining rights any which where, and we're all just pussy whingers for disagreeing because it is all for the good of the people :rolleyes:

Goodbye awesome NZ, it's been fun but we have to be as fucked up as everywhere else now.

[James Deuce]

Birthright will almost certainly take the toys ..
I think that the "Charity" middle-men need to be ditched. They invariably offer no real help to anyone who actually needs it.

[cynna]

why dont they just carry on with new packaged toys that the salvation army will accept?

[oldrider]

Goodbye awesome NZ, it's been fun but we have to be as fucked up as everywhere else now.

So true! :sick:

Been watching it steadily slip slide away since the end of WW2 ... not much wriggle room left now eh! :shifty:

Changing governments simply changes the pace it never alters the direction! :no:

[Ixion]

For the avoidance of doubt :

The 30th BRONZ Auckland annual toy run went off happily last Saturday. Haven't heard any complaints from the Sallies, and they were delighted with the truck full of toys they took away. So keep them coming next year, guys-n-gals.

They are almost all new , can't say though that a pre-loved cuddly never got in. They prefer them unwrapped, avoids a 14 year old boy getting a pink dolly.

If they do go Silly-Cunt, we'll find someone less ungrateful. I suspect the Taranaki Salvation Army just didn't want to do the toy thing any more , so many charities have gone all corporate nowadays

[Murray]

Cambridge - Hamilton toyrun for child cancer also had some bad publicity through the local newspaper. They showed pictures of rubbish bags of toys going to the dump. Again they only want packaged toys.

However you can still buy the badge the raffles or what ever and support the cause. Just keep the big teddy or whatever for the next years run.

[Paul in NZ]

Hey I enjoy a good toy run the same as the next bloke.... BUT could it be in changing times motorcyclists need to change with the times and find another way to give back to the community or those in need?

Just a thought....

[Big Dog]

For the avoidance of doubt :

The 30th BRONZ Auckland annual toy run went off happily last Saturday. Haven't heard any complaints from the Sallies, and they were delighted with the truck full of toys they took away. So keep them coming next year, guys-n-gals.

They are almost all new , can't say though that a pre-loved cuddly never got in. They prefer them unwrapped, avoids a 14 year old boy getting a pink dolly.

If they do go Silly-Cunt, we'll find someone less ungrateful. I suspect the Taranaki Salvation Army just didn't want to do the toy thing any more , so many charities have gone all corporate nowadays

If this has been going for 30 years that makes 30 years in a row I have not heard about it until after the fact...
Way to go with the publicity machine BRONZ.

[James Deuce]

Hey I enjoy a good toy run the same as the next bloke.... BUT could it be in changing times motorcyclists need to change with the times and find another way to give back to the community or those in need?

Just a thought....
Yes. That.

[jasonu]

Goodbye awesome NZ, it's been fun but we have to be as fucked up as everywhere else now.

New Zealand has been fucked up for quite a while. Mostly it is only those that have lived or worked overseas for lengthy periods of time can really see it.


I think that the "Charity" middle-men need to be ditched. They invariably offer no real help to anyone who actually needs it.

'Charity' is a huge business and money maker.

http://www.give.org/charity-reviews/national/religious/salvation-army-national-corporation-in-alexandria-va-1221
http://www.forbes.com/companies/salvation-army/
http://www.forbes.com/top-charities/

[BigAl]

It's obvious that these Charities just want cash now, so they can take their cut off the top.

[Tazz]

If they do go Silly-Cunt, we'll find someone less ungrateful. I suspect the Taranaki Salvation Army just didn't want to do the toy thing any more , so many charities have gone all corporate nowadays

Yeah like the one going through one of the biggest divorce settlements in UK history at the moment. But it's charity money.... :laugh:

Bit more work but helping out where you can independant of charities is always an option too. Pretty impressed to say my old man paid a locals powerbill the other week who is a bit hard up and had it cut off. I shouted him a scone.

[James Deuce]

'Charity' is a huge business and money maker.



You don't have to tell me. I have two disabled kids. Try asking charities specifically for help or guidance. They don't return calls.

[jasonu]

They don't return calls.

That's because there is no money or good publicity in it for them.

[James Deuce]

That's because there is no money or good publicity in it for them.

It's kind of worse than that, because they don't provide a portal for people to talk to them. There's been massive growth in community based support groups but these are often run by people with little or no real knowledge of managing multi-faceted spectrum or choromosomal disorders or chronic conditions and they usually end up being a bitch session for Mum, not a constructive place to learn how to deal with the 180 degree turns life deals disabled people all the time. The medical system puts of a great show of providing support, but really are useless and nearly as difficult to engage as the charities. They're pretty good at preventing death. Lousy at everything between healthy and dead. Especially when you have issues complicated by generic diagnostic issues or problems specific to an individual's condition.

The one thing that characterises all of the agencies who are supposed to provide help or support is their utter unwillingness to communicate effectively. They can even say, "No". They just don't say anything. Charities then blame any criticism on a lack of resource and Doctors are untouchable and as infallible as the Pope.

[R650R]

You don't have to tell me. I have two disabled kids. Try asking charities specifically for help or guidance. They don't return calls.

I had to do some volunteer work for a charity as part of a qualification I was doing by correspondence. It was very hard to find someone willing to accept my offer of free work and even get past the call screening/0800 number etc...
Many of these so called charities are in effect business operations and pay the people in charge CEO level salarys and company vehicles etc... Society has definitely taken a wrong turn when a charity spends half its revenue on advertising and administration etc...

In the end I helped out Cranford Hospice who do an amazing job with genuine good people and partial funding via the govt.

Back to topic the Sallys are probably just protecting themselves from OSH. At the end of the day if some orphanage suffers an outbreak of norovirus or meningitis etc due to donated secondhand toys the govt inspectors will come with hanging rope and chopping blocks...
We should be angry with the govt and osh jobsworths.
The problem is once an organisation gets to a certain size they are mandated by law to have policies in place about this sort of stuff.

We could just go one better and start a biker charity that covers everything and make our own rules and outgive the rest of society...

[Ocean1]

We should be angry with the govt and osh jobsworths.

That bit right there.

At a personal level the bullshit just slides right off me, I just refuse to acknowledge it.

But as a business entity you're fucked, they'll just tie you up and shut you down.

Is why there really isn't, (and can't be) any such thing as public, (wholesale) charity, it's only recognisable as a human trait at a personal level.

[caseye]

I had to do some volunteer work for a charity as part of a qualification I was doing by correspondence. It was very hard to find someone willing to accept my offer of free work and even get past the call screening/0800 number etc...
Many of these so called charities are in effect business operations and pay the people in charge CEO level salarys and company vehicles etc... Society has definitely taken a wrong turn when a charity spends half its revenue on advertising and administration etc...

In the end I helped out Cranford Hospice who do an amazing job with genuine good people and partial funding via the govt.

Back to topic the Sallys are probably just protecting themselves from OSH. At the end of the day if some orphanage suffers an outbreak of norovirus or meningitis etc due to donated secondhand toys the govt inspectors will come with hanging rope and chopping blocks...
We should be angry with the govt and osh jobsworths.
The problem is once an organisation gets to a certain size they are mandated by law to have policies in place about this sort of stuff.

We could just go one better and start a biker charity that covers everything and make our own rules and outgive the rest of society...


Now that I'd be interested in. Fuck em all, go out and just do it for a single individual or group at random and just because we can and want to.

[mada]

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Now that I'd be interested in. Fuck em all, go out and just do it for a single individual or group at random and just because we can and want to.

Good idea. Could do it under the Kiwibiker banner.

The problem with all the charities I've been involved in is they have often become to focused on sourcing funds, getting attention, and being peoples little fiefdoms - that's why you have so many charities all competing with each other and politics between them for the same money, power, and marketing.

Avoid getting caught up with that crap and focus on those who need a hand.

[blue rider]

I think that the "Charity" middle-men need to be ditched. They invariably offer no real help to anyone who actually needs it.

surely there are food banks and association like http://aaap.org.nz/contact-us-3/ Actin Auckland against poverty that would be able to help the riders with places to leave their toys for kids that might be missing out for christmas.

[SPman]

'Charity' is a huge business and money maker.



These are the top salaries at the Save the Children fund.
CEO Justin Forsyth £139,950
COO Anabel Hoult £139,950
COO / CFO & Strategic Initiatives Rachel Parr £131,970
Global Programmes Director Fergus Drake £113,300
Fundraising Director Tanya Steele £112,200
Marketing & Comms Director Sue Allchurch £111,920
Policy & Advocacy Director Brendan Cox £106,029
CFO Peter Banks £102,000
HR Director Paul Cutler £100,980
The UK average salary is 26,500 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-average-salary-26500-figures-3002995)

StC has just given Tony Blair its “Global Legacy” award. What kind of people like Tony Blair? People who earn over 100,000. I am not sure that if you put money in a tin, or bought from their charity shop, you thought you were paying that many fat salaries. There are also gold plated pensions and other benefits. Justin Forsyth, the CEO, of course worked in Tony Blair’s neo-con policy unit.


Very few charities are in any sense independent any more. Save the Children Fund gets 176 million pounds – over half its income (http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/Annual_report_2013.pdf)- in grants from various governments, including over 80 million from the British government. That compares to 106 million in donations from the public. In 2012 over 70 million pounds was spent by Save the Children UK on its own staff costs. This was reduced on paper to 44 million in 2014 by the expedient of transferring some Headquarters staff from Save the Children UK to Save the Children International.


Save the Children’s highly paid and very numerous HQ staff work in a swanky office for which they pay a staggering 6.5 million pounds a year lease. Do they really need their HQ in ultra expensive Central London? I suppose all those high earners have to get home to Islington. Their HQ costs more than all their other premises put together, including all their shops.


I wonder how much all of this is known to the 13,000 good-hearted volunteers who work many hours for nothing to support these people.

- Craig Murray

How many other "charities" work on this basis?

[mada]

These are the top salaries at the Save the Children fund.
CEO Justin Forsyth £139,950
COO Anabel Hoult £139,950
COO / CFO & Strategic Initiatives Rachel Parr £131,970
Global Programmes Director Fergus Drake £113,300
Fundraising Director Tanya Steele £112,200
Marketing & Comms Director Sue Allchurch £111,920
Policy & Advocacy Director Brendan Cox £106,029
CFO Peter Banks £102,000
HR Director Paul Cutler £100,980
The UK average salary is 26,500 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-average-salary-26500-figures-3002995)

StC has just given Tony Blair its “Global Legacy” award. What kind of people like Tony Blair? People who earn over 100,000. I am not sure that if you put money in a tin, or bought from their charity shop, you thought you were paying that many fat salaries. There are also gold plated pensions and other benefits. Justin Forsyth, the CEO, of course worked in Tony Blair’s neo-con policy unit.


Very few charities are in any sense independent any more. Save the Children Fund gets 176 million pounds – over half its income (http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/Annual_report_2013.pdf)- in grants from various governments, including over 80 million from the British government. That compares to 106 million in donations from the public. In 2012 over 70 million pounds was spent by Save the Children UK on its own staff costs. This was reduced on paper to 44 million in 2014 by the expedient of transferring some Headquarters staff from Save the Children UK to Save the Children International.


Save the Children’s highly paid and very numerous HQ staff work in a swanky office for which they pay a staggering 6.5 million pounds a year lease. Do they really need their HQ in ultra expensive Central London? I suppose all those high earners have to get home to Islington. Their HQ costs more than all their other premises put together, including all their shops.


I wonder how much all of this is known to the 13,000 good-hearted volunteers who work many hours for nothing to support these people.

- Craig Murray

Yeh more corporate than charity. I've heard the same about some pretty big orgs in NZ, like St Johns - directors and head office making a bucket load with lots of money spent on frivolous shit while frontline get by on a minimum. Watch and wait as the country gets even more ripped off as the government sells its housing stock to these "charities" at discount prices.

[JimO]

i get at least 1 call a week from charities wanting money, always for a good cause but unfortunatly its to much, they just fuck me off now so i tell them nicely..... no

[mada]

i get at least 1 call a week from charities wanting money, always for a good cause but unfortunatly its to much, they just fuck me off now so i tell them nicely..... no

Yeh there's thousands of causes nowadays, and I've noticed over the last couple of years they no longer want donations per se, more subscriptions.

I prefer to give my time than money, at least I know the input is resulting in some productive output rather than spent on worthless advertisements aimed at getting more money of which only a tiny fraction probably gets spent on those needing help.

[Murray]

Why don't the Sallies go round the pubs collecting anymore? Most pubs they would walk out with anywhere between $20-$50 bucks.

[Virago]

i get at least 1 call a week from charities wanting money, always for a good cause but unfortunatly its to much, they just fuck me off now so i tell them nicely..... no

The big problem with charity solicitation by phone is that it is often being undertaken by private companies who pocket most of the money. The charities are happy to get a small amount for no effort, without seeing the big picture.

[buggerit]

What about a food bank run instead, The Tin Can Run?