Be careful out there over Christmas

[Murray]

Interesting article

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11373248

Good percentage caused by others then alcohol then speed.

16% not wearing helmets?????

Actually be careful out there all times.

[jim.cox]

16% not wearing helmets?????

Farmworkers

[Murray]

Farmworkers

My thoughts as well and figures probably include quads as well.

[DamianW]

With the influx of tourists to our shores that add to the volume of road users, the title should read 'be bloody careful out there over summer...'

[bluninja]

It could also read "Bikers keep away from the Bays; you are 4 times more likely to end up in hospital than riding anywhere else"

[Gremlin]

I tend to ride a lot less over Christmas. Tourists and cops everywhere, the roads aren't that enjoyable.

Last Christmas was more driving (like to Rotorua) and then mountain biking... that was good fun...

[James Deuce]

Farmworkers

A"fuck_you_ACC"men.

[Swoop]

Farmworkers
Tends to be a few scooter "operators" around the holiday hotspots who like to travel locally ("it's only a scooter, forget the helmet thingy!") down to the beach/dairy/bottleshop.

[caseye]

Good thing we wont be in that neck of the woods then aye Murray!
2 weeks mate.

[98tls]

All the facts n figures mean little really theres motorcyclists with no helmets/boaties with no life jackets etc etc dumb is what dumb does,timeless.

[Voltaire]

"Almost a third of motorcycle accidents were due to driver error of oncoming cars," said Ms O'Leary.

Does that mean the other 66% is not the fault of the car drivers?

I did that loop last weekend, roads seemed much the same as anywhere else.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Farmworkers

IS there a reason farmworkers don't wear helmets?

[haydes55]

IS there a reason farmworkers don't wear helmets?


It's illegal to wear a proper helmet. They have to wear an ag hat thing. I knew a guy who was wearing an ag hat, riding a farm bike, woke up in the mud beside his bike. He doesn't wear ag hats anymore, he uses an old mx helmet around the farm.

[insomnia01]

Interesting article

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11373248

Good percentage caused by others then alcohol then speed.

16% not wearing helmets?????

Actually be careful out there all times.

I work through Xmas to get around this & save it for Feb/March best time to head down sth isld as well :woohoo: roads are generally quiet & all road works are normally completed or well worn in. Merry Xmas to LOR & to you & Trina Muzz :drinkup:

[Mike.Gayner]

So much bullshit in that article.


Nationally motorcyclists were 16 times more likely to be involved in an accident compared with other road users.

That's patently NOT TRUE. Motorcyclists were 16 times more like to be involved in a REPORTED accident, because there is much more likely to be police/ambulance called when a motorcyclist is involved. Seeing as the vast majority of car accidents go unreported, I doubt whether there's much difference at all in accident rates between cars and motorcycles.


The causes of their accidents were given as:

15 - vehicles pulling across path of motorcycle
10 - alcohol related
9 - excessive speed
7 - hit an object
4 - road conditions
4 - lost traction
1 - medical condition

What the fuck is this? "Alcohol related" is not a "cause", it's a factor. Debatably the same with "excessive speed" and "road conditions". We don't know what caused many of these accidents because of these idiotic classifications.

[Skiwi]

It's illegal to wear a proper helmet.
Bullshit....

[Moise]

So much bullshit in that article.



That's patently NOT TRUE. Motorcyclists were 16 times more like to be involved in a REPORTED accident, because there is much more likely to be police/ambulance called when a motorcyclist is involved. Seeing as the vast majority of car accidents go unreported, I doubt whether there's much difference at all in accident rates between cars and motorcycles.



What the fuck is this? "Alcohol related" is not a "cause", it's a factor. Debatably the same with "excessive speed" and "road conditions". We don't know what caused many of these accidents because of these idiotic classifications.
Yeah. Half of this is made up and the other half is wrong.

How can "hit an object" be the cause of an accident FFS?

[kiwi cowboy]

My thoughts as well and figures probably include quads as well.

Yep probably quads that are taken down to the beach by townies that haven't ridden for 6 months and are unable to handle them. but hey lets fry the farm workers.:whistle:

[mstriumph]

All the facts n figures mean little really theres motorcyclists with no helmets/boaties with no life jackets etc etc dumb is what dumb does,timeless.

gene pool cleansing time ...;)

[local]

How can "hit an object" be the cause of an accident FFS?

There are a few ways; come around a blind corner and there's a fallen tree, ladder on the motorway etc. Hitting either of those may lead to loss of control, and a collision/slide.

It just depends what you deem the root cause to be. Is it:

The tree being on the road
Driving or riding without being able to stop in the visible road ahead of you
Not paying attention
Just generally being useless at operating a vehicle.

[bluninja]

There are a few ways; come around a blind corner and there's a fallen tree, ladder on the motorway etc. Hitting either of those may lead to loss of control, and a collision/slide.

It just depends what you deem the root cause to be. Is it:

The tree being on the road
Driving or riding without being able to stop in the visible road ahead of you
Not paying attention
Just generally being useless at operating a vehicle.


In most cases "Hit an object" is the end result . Given that "road conditions" is also cited, the scenarios you have outlined could be considered road conditions, since if the road was clear there would be no object to hit.

Either way poor categorisation and bad reporting just muddies the waters preventing sound safety policies being created; and for those motorcyclists, who are interested, to adopt a riding style that reduces known risks.

[Ripperjon]

Car pulls out in front of bike. Bike swerve, hits a pothole, loses traction slides into a sign.
Biker had a stubby with dinner.
Alcohol related.
:killingme

[James Deuce]

Car pulls out in front of bike. Bike swerve, hits a pothole, loses traction slides into a sign.
Biker had a stubby with dinner.
Alcohol related.
:killingme
The quantitative effects of one beer on judgment let alone physical coordination are measureable. If you drink ANYTHING and ride, you're not really doing it right.

I have been known to meet people at a pub when on a ride, check out what everyone else is drinking, finish my invariably horrible coffee, and quietly fuck off early if one person has a beer.

[awayatc]

Funny thing is you csn find test that seem to prove that reaction speed actually increases with low amounts of alcohol....I.e 1 beer.....

but drink riding an even greater nono then drink driving....both are unacceptable.

Had to explain the odd time or 6, to people climbing behind the wheel intoxicated what I would do to a drunk driver who killed/ maimed one of my loved ones....

[James Deuce]

Funny thing is you csn find test that seem to prove that reaction speed actually increases with low amounts of alcohol....I.e 1 beer.....

but drink riding an even greater nono then drink driving....both are unacceptable.

Had to explain the odd time or 6, to people climbing behind the wheel intoxicated what I would do to a drunk driver who killed/ maimed one of my loved ones....
I've seen results like that, but the judgment one is the big one, rather than reaction time. Being even slightly disinhibited on a bike results in riding that can leave one scratching one's head.

[local]

The quantitative effects of one beer on judgment let alone physical coordination are measureable. If you drink ANYTHING and ride, you're not really doing it right.


+1

10 char

[98tls]

I've seen results like that, but the judgment one is the big one, rather than reaction time. Being even slightly disinhibited on a bike results in riding that can leave one scratching one's head.

Poker runs are a classic,dont bother myself even for the best of causes.

[Akzle]

in the harrold today, cant find on website:

"New Data reveals holiday dangers"

[over the holiday period] crashes rose 33 - 66% in Hawkes Bay, BOP, Northland.
crashes in auckland "more than halved" and serious harm fell 33 %


correlation = causation, when aucklanders leave auckland, they fuck up the roads everywhere else!

reigonal licensing and aucklander culling.
vote akzle.