ISIS is a Zionist plot; a Jew is leading the group

[mashman]

Security service personnel say the darnedest things eh. (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/562727/20140814/isis-zionist-plot-theory.htm#.VKhakntGSuJ)

[yokel]

you do know that pointing the finger at jews is hate speech right? haha

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[mashman]

you do know that pointing the finger at jews is hate speech right? haha

No hate speech, just research disseminated by a security agent. Is it possible that war is manufactured by an entity that cares not which side wins or loses so long as the war keeps being fought?

Having said that, don't you find it odd that ISIS aren't going after Israel, but rather are concentrating in Iraq and Syria?

[tigertim20]

No hate speech, just research ?

what research?
just an opinion was all I saw.

Guess you see what yo want to see though eh?

[yokel]

what research?
just an opinion was all I saw.

Guess you see what yo want to see though eh?

so if you go looking for evidence or what ever it is you're looking for and you find it what do you do? just ignore it?

Guess you see what you're told to see?

[mashman]

what research?
just an opinion was all I saw.

Guess you see what yo want to see though eh?

His lineage... for starters.
Bit like the u.s./u.k. intelligence services and their WMD crusade against Iraq?

Truth in the eye of the beholder I guess.

[tigertim20]

so if you go looking for evidence or what ever it is you're looking for and you find it what do you do? just ignore it?

Guess you see what you're told to see?

the same information is being read and interpreted by multiple people. If you are the only one who interprets that information differently to everyone else, it would be smart to at least consider the possibility that you have interpreted it wrong. . .

The problem with your statement though "if you go looking for evidence or what ever it is you're looking for" is that it implies (probably quite accurately) that you have already determined what happened in YOUR opinion, and have set out solely to uncover 'facts' or information that supports your pre-determined view.

[SPman]

No hate speech, just research disseminated by a security agent. Is it possible that war is manufactured by an entity that cares not which side wins or loses so long as the war keeps being fought?

Having said that, don't you find it odd that ISIS aren't going after Israel, but rather are concentrating in Iraq and Syria?I thought they were a Sunni/Wahabist group targeting mainly Shia and other "heretical" muslim factions, as well as any sundry Christians etc that come their way......

[mashman]

I thought they were a Sunni/Wahabist group targeting mainly Shia and other "heretical" muslim factions, as well as any sundry Christians etc that come their way......

The lass in the story focused on the leader. Do leaders set policy or are they dictated to?

If what she has stated is true, it wouldn't matter if the group was comprised of american, english, dutch, australian, new zealanders etc... as war is the goal. Oh, hang on.

[carbonhed]

The lass in the story focused on the leader. Do leaders set policy or are they dictated to?

If what she has stated is true, it wouldn't matter if the group was comprised of american, english, dutch, australian, new zealanders etc... as war is the goal. Oh, hang on.

Nah. It's a false, false flag. She is the Zionist spy. Spreading disinformation to undermine the leadership of ISIS and the morale of his rag taggle army.

Although there is a wonderful irony to a bunch of Islamo fascists, who want to die a martyr's death, leaving the west, to travel to a barren stretch of desert, that nobody gives a fuck about, where we can kill them at leisure. A willing buyer and a willing seller. Result!

[R650R]

Having said that, don't you find it odd that ISIS aren't going after Israel, but rather are concentrating in Iraq and Syria?

Yep pretty odd and damn obvious aint it... If Somali fisherman can hijack large ocean ships why cant these so called terrorists sail on into Israel and cause havoc.... maybe something to do with don't bite the hand that feeds you...


https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx

[Woodman]

so if you go looking for evidence or what ever it is you're looking for and you find it what do you do? just ignore it?

Guess you see what you're told to see?


BOOM


That was the irony meter exploding again

[mashman]

Nah. It's a false, false flag. She is the Zionist spy. Spreading disinformation to undermine the leadership of ISIS and the morale of his rag taggle army.

Although there is a wonderful irony to a bunch of Islamo fascists, who want to die a martyr's death, leaving the west, to travel to a barren stretch of desert, that nobody gives a fuck about, where we can kill them at leisure. A willing buyer and a willing seller. Result!

:rofl: that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Nobody? There may well be a few million people that give a fuck... but they're ruled so they don't count.


Yep pretty odd and damn obvious aint it... If Somali fisherman can hijack large ocean ships why cant these so called terrorists sail on into Israel and cause havoc.... maybe something to do with don't bite the hand that feeds you...

https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx

:killingme :clap: fucking brilliant. Makes sense why they don't refer to them as ISIL anymore.

[R650R]

:rofl: that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Nobody? There may well be a few million people that give a fuck... but they're ruled so they don't count.



:killingme :clap: fucking brilliant. Makes sense why they don't refer to them as ISIL anymore.

And did you notice Jkey was very deliberate in only calling them IS like Obama was.... This terrorist group has been rebranded more often in six months than WINZ has lol

[ellipsis]

...the ISIS is a river...I wish these persons would not use acronyms that fuck with the meaning of real things...this time they have gone too far...shall we send them a letter of complaint, I'm sure someone on here has their address...the bloody aussie-yank-brit-kiwi-canadian-(and now, yid)-arab bastards...

[Oakie]

Having said that, don't you find it odd that ISIS aren't going after Israel, but rather are concentrating in Iraq and Syria?

No. No one in their right mind would go after Israel directly. They don't take shit and will respond to the full extent of their impressive ability.

[mashman]

And did you notice Jkey was very deliberate in only calling them IS like Obama was.... This terrorist group has been rebranded more often in six months than WINZ has lol

Probably use the same speech writers.

[mashman]

No. No one in their right mind would go after Israel directly. They don't take shit and will respond to the full extent of their impressive ability.

You're saying that they're in their right minds? :shit: :shifty: Although I would have thought that guaranteed martyrdom would be right up their alley. Somethin don't smell right and it ain't the left over fish from the tin foil.

[schrodingers cat]

This bloke is an interesting read. http://rall.com
Best of all, half the time he makes his point through comics.
Win

[Oakie]

You're saying that they're in their right minds? :shit: :shifty: Although I would have thought that guaranteed martyrdom would be right up their alley. Somethin don't smell right and it ain't the left over fish from the tin foil.

Yes. They are in their right minds regarding not taking on Israel head-on.

[unstuck]

Yes. They are in their right minds regarding not taking on Israel head-on.

Mossad, no thanks.:shit:
They make some of those russian special forces look like dumb football jocks.

[mashman]

Yes. They are in their right minds regarding not taking on Israel head-on.

Ahhhh I see, part-time jihadists indulging in a selective caliphate. Makes much better sense.

[Edbear]

Ahhhh I see, part-time jihadists indulging in a selective caliphate. Makes much better sense.

As with all leaders, the big wigs are not suicidal. They recruit and/or force expendables for that. The top guys are well educated, many from the West.

[Oakie]

Ahhhh I see, part-time jihadists indulging in a selective caliphate. Makes much better sense.

To them it does.

[oldrider]

Yes. They are in their right minds regarding not taking on Israel head-on.

Yeah Israel - "an eye for eye a tooth for a tooth" - except for Palestinians a pebble for a whole set of bloody dentures is more like it!

Israel tests extreme armaments on Palestinian women and children and then sells them (armaments) to the world = 4th largest arms supplier in the world - apparently!

Then the rest of the world try them out on each other lead by the passive USA - imagine the carnage if the West wasn't civilised! - JOKE! :sick: . :facepalm:

[mstriumph]

.......................
Israel tests extreme armaments on Palestinian women and children and then sells them (armaments) to the world ...........:sick: . :facepalm:

you're slipping
you missed out the bit about them eating small christian babies ...
:mellow:

[Akzle]

i thought it was pretty obvious from the start.
Not to mention that you hear about it through the tinted lens of media, and we all know who owns teh medias.
(jews, incase youre retarded).

[oldrider]

you're slipping
you missed out the bit about them eating small christian babies ...
:mellow:

I always leave a little mystery for those that prefer to read between the lines - satisfaction is important to me and my readers! :blip:

[mashman]

To them it does.

Fair enough... although I would have thought a 10 year old kid just as dangerous when pointing a gun at you.

[Brett]

Mossad are awesomely effective, take-no-shit operators. I have nothing but respect for them and their cause.

[oldrider]

Mossad are awesomely effective, take-no-shit operators. I have nothing but respect for them and their cause.

Don't think anybody ever doubts their capability - it's the why where when and who that could stand a little scrutiny sometimes! :shifty:

[yokel]

Mossad are awesomely effective, take-no-shit operators. I have nothing but respect for them and their cause.

Yes hats off to Mossad, extremely effective.

but not sure how you could respect their cause?

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[Brett]

Yes hats off to Mossad, extremely effective.

but not sure how you could respect their cause?



Stand to be corrected by the better informed (who can actually put forward respectable evidence to support their assertion) but they pretty much primarily exist to defend Israel. They collect intel and undertake missions to eliminate threats to Israel and in some cases their allies. Sometimes in a war, bad intel leads to bad decisions which have bad outcomes. The allies are guilty of this themselves.

[Oakie]

I would pick Mossad over any other intelligence / security agency in the world.

[oldrider]

I would pick Mossad over any other intelligence / security agency in the world.

Why wouldn't you - they are probably the most skilled at building demolition too and that goes back years where they learned their skills in Poland! (Wikipedia)

They not only defend Israel they also protect and defend International Zionism an even larger more complicated beast than Israel!

9/11? - if anybody could Mossard could - so if International Zionism was to benefit from it - why wouldn't they?

It has been suggested (By Voltaire?) that Yokel call Obama and ask him if he knows about 9/11 - after all he caught Osama Bin Laden - didn't he? :confused: . :scratch:

[yokel]

Stand to be corrected by the better informed (who can actually put forward respectable evidence to support their assertion) but they pretty much primarily exist to defend Israel. They collect intel and undertake missions to eliminate threats to Israel and in some cases their allies. Sometimes in a war, bad intel leads to bad decisions which have bad outcomes. The allies are guilty of this themselves.

to be honest, I dont know a whole lot about Mossad other than it's something to do with Israel.
"They collect intel and undertake missions to eliminate threats to Israel"and "primarily exist to defend Israel" that really helps to put their involvement in 9/11 to context! Cheers

Just like a science experiment , the truth is reviled by the result.
What's been the result of the 9/11 operation?

[mstriumph]

I always leave a little mystery for those that prefer to read between the lines - satisfaction is important to me and my readers! :blip: you want recipes? I got recipes ...

[pzkpfw]

...

Just like a science experiment , the truth is reviled by the result.
What's been the result of the 9/11 operation?

I presume you mean "revealed"?

Great logic; it's like finding "4" and thinking that's proof someone did "2 + 2", and having no idea of "5 - 1", or "0.5 x 8", or ...

[Brett]

All of these 9/11 conspiracies just make me lol.:laugh:

[mashman]

All of these 9/11 conspiracies just make me lol.:laugh:

Yeah, I find the murder of tens of thousands of people and the associated manufactured war by confirmed liars absolutely hilarious too.

[oldrider]

All of these 9/11 conspiracies just make me lol.:laugh:

Mark Twain said - "It's easier to fool a man than to convince him that he has been fooled" - laughter is great medicine - enjoy it while you can! :lol:

[awayatc]

zionism sees the state the state as a living organism that needs to grow.......

Israel has long since stopped being the poor wee underdog...
they have themselves become the sort of monster they once so vehemently fought against...

Mossad is effective..
very effective...
because it's ruthless..
ruthless to the extreme..
It does only serve itself and its masters....

[unstuck]

zionism sees the state the state as a living organism that needs to grow.......

Israel has long since stopped being the poor wee underdog...
they have themselves become the sort of monster they once so vehemently fought against...

Mossad is effective..
very effective...
because it's ruthless..
ruthless to the extreme..
It does only serve itself and its masters....


Shhhhhh, not so loud. They have big ears. And long arms.:shifty:

[Edbear]

zionism sees the state the state as a living organism that needs to grow.......

Israel has long since stopped being the poor wee underdog...
they have themselves become the sort of monster they once so vehemently fought against...

Mossad is effective..
very effective...
because it's ruthless..
ruthless to the extreme..
It does only serve itself and its masters....

Like all secret services really. NZ has a very effective one, too. I wouldn't want to upset them, either.

[Brett]

Yeah, I find the murder of tens of thousands of people and the associated manufactured war by confirmed liars absolutely hilarious too.

Don't be a dipshit. I never said the death of everyone in 9/11 was funny. I said that all of the different conspiracy theories/theorists are amusing.

[awayatc]

Like all secret services really. NZ has a very effective one, too. I wouldn't want to upset them, either.

except nz and most other countries haven't got an agenda beyond protecting themselves........

[mashman]

Don't be a dipshit. I never said the death of everyone in 9/11 was funny. I said that all of the different conspiracy theories/theorists are amusing.

You do realise that those conspiracy theorists are professionals from all walks of life, some were even on the scene at the time and some are family members of those who were murdered etc... they are fighting for the truth to be heard, yet they still have to put up with dipshits pissing all over their efforts to have the evidence heard, and all because dipshits class their evidence as "conspiracy".

The bullshit and lies that followed and the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of lives lost in the name of justice for the fallen (pure revenge, false revenge, known false revenge) is all a part of that conspiracy theory, yet goes unpunished and is a complete insult to their cause.

So, by your own admission, you are very much a member of the pissing over everyone brigade and therefore are very much laughing at the murder of innocents. You might not like that, but that's the result of your ilk swatting away that which they have no clue about.

[carbonhed]

You do realise that those conspiracy theorists are professionals from all walks of life, some were even on the scene at the time and some are family members of those who were murdered etc... they are fighting for the truth to be heard, yet they still have to put up with dipshits pissing all over their efforts to have the evidence heard, and all because dipshits class their evidence as "conspiracy".

The bullshit and lies that followed and the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of lives lost in the name of justice for the fallen (pure revenge, false revenge, known false revenge) is all a part of that conspiracy theory, yet goes unpunished and is a complete insult to their cause.

So, by your own admission, you are very much a member of the pissing over everyone brigade and therefore are very much laughing at the murder of innocents. You might not like that, but that's the result of your ilk swatting away that which they have no clue about.

Man! You should wheel out your moral high horse more often! Blind, one legged and riddled with mange... how you mange to stay balanced on top of it is a miracle for the ages... but please don't stop trying.

[Brett]

You do realise that those conspiracy theorists are professionals from all walks of life, some were even on the scene at the time and some are family members of those who were murdered etc... they are fighting for the truth to be heard, yet they still have to put up with dipshits pissing all over their efforts to have the evidence heard, and all because dipshits class their evidence as "conspiracy".

The bullshit and lies that followed and the hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of lives lost in the name of justice for the fallen (pure revenge, false revenge, known false revenge) is all a part of that conspiracy theory, yet goes unpunished and is a complete insult to their cause.

So, by your own admission, you are very much a member of the pissing over everyone brigade and therefore are very much laughing at the murder of innocents. You might not like that, but that's the result of your ilk swatting away that which they have no clue about.

I am not saying all of the theories I have heard hold no water, just many that I have come across...including some here, are laughably stupid and ill-conceived. You have done just what have half of those conspiracy nuts do...you have taken one thing, extrapolated it to mean something else according to your own view point and what you perceive to be "evidence" or "fact" and are now trying to put words into my mouth and sell something that is several degrees removed from what I really said. I love how another armchair detective who has probably only snooped the internet and watched youtube clips now purports to be an "expert" on the matter. If you and your "ilk" want to be respected and have their theories taken seriously, then perhaps another approach is needed...'cause fella,...I doubt that I am alone laughing at a good 80% of what I hear.

[Brett]

I think I need to go into the manufacture of tinfoil hats. Seems there might be money in it.

[mashman]

Man! You should wheel out your moral high horse more often! Blind, one legged and riddled with mange... how you mange to stay balanced on top of it is a miracle for the ages... but please don't stop trying.

So you're hallucinating high horses... get ooooff the droogs bro, coz I see no judgement in my post, just truth.


I am not saying all of the theories I have heard hold no water, just many that I have come across...including some here, are laughably stupid and ill-conceived. You have done just what have half of those conspiracy nuts do...you have taken one thing, extrapolated it to mean something else according to your own view point and what you perceive to be "evidence" or "fact" and are now trying to put words into my mouth and sell something that is several degrees removed from what I really said. I love how another armchair detective who has probably only snooped the internet and watched youtube clips now purports to be an "expert" on the matter. If you and your "ilk" want to be respected and have their theories taken seriously, then perhaps another approach is needed...'cause fella,...I doubt that I am alone laughing at a good 80% of what I hear.

So now you're not saying all?



[insert flashing highlight]All[/insert flashing highlight] of these 9/11 conspiracies just make me lol

Make your fuckin mind up, put the KB labeller down, and show me where, in my post, I extrapolated something that isn't true. Then once you've done that, re-read YOUR post (above the one above) and tell me ALL about extrapolation again.

[Brett]

I clarified my position on "all" in the subsequent post after you went off the reservation going on about how I seem to think millions of people dying is funny. Don't be an asshat going back to old posts that have been subsequently clarified and then using those as the weapon in your argument. My original post did say "all" but that position was clarified. If you have never hear of hyperbole then please, read up.

Edit...going on previous debates with you, sometimes I think that you just like arguing and getting all stroppy about it rather than anything else constructive.

**Edit: HAHAHAHAHAH Katman gave me negative rep for this. BAHAHAHAHA. For a fuckwit from a fuckwit ey Kitty Kat?

[Brett]

Out of genuine interest, can you point me to a reputable source on alternative (I will avoid "conspiracy") theories on what happened with 9/11? I am not being facetious either...

[Katman]

Out of genuine interest, can you point me to a reputable source on alternative (I will avoid "conspiracy") theories on what happened with 9/11? I am not being facetious either...

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[mashman]

I clarified my position on "all" in the subsequent post when you went off the reservation going on about how I seem to think millions of people dying is funny. Don't be an asshat going back to old posts that have been subsequently clarified and then using those as the weapon in your argument.

Edit...going on previous debates with you, sometimes I think that you just like arguing and getting all stroppy about it rather than anything else constructive.

**Edit: HAHAHAHAHAH Katman gave me negative rep for this. BAHAHAHAHA. For a fuckwit from a fuckwit ey Kitty Kat?


You did clarify your position. As did I... and it would seem, climbing aboard my high horse, that I have more respect for what the so called conspiracy theorists have to say and can make my own mind up as to whether to believe what they say or not. That respect is not diminished by the information they put forwards.

Some things are worth standing up and fighting for and if a side effect of that is that I am perceived as nothing more than a stroppy tin foil hatter that needs to argue, then fine, that's your perception and you are very much welcome to it, but it isn't an accurate perception.

[Brett]

http://www.ae911truth.org/

The struggle with the internot these days is you never know who is behind what with what agenda. Appreciate the link, still skeptical, but will have a bit of a read.

[Katman]

The struggle with the internot these days is you never know who is behind what with what agenda.

Hey, even some political leaders want to know the truth.

http://pl911truth.com/

[mashman]

The struggle with the internot these days is you never know who is behind what with what agenda. Appreciate the link, still skeptical, but will have a bit of a read.

There is a feckload on info out there, but the site that Katman linked to is a community of professionals who peer review each others submissions before posting them on the site. The u.s. govt have outright refused that community the platform to have the evidence heard and unfortunately that allows them to be lumped in with the conspiracy crowd. That in itself is a huge concern.

[Brett]

I must admit one thing that I wondered even as 9/11 was still fresh on the reporters lips that year, the genuine lack of aircraft bits at the Pentagon. Gotta admit that that bit smells a bit. Don't get me wrong, i am not buying the spoken party line hook line and sinker, it is just that some of the conspiracy theories that I have come across just are too strange to make sense. Maybe it is me and my naivety, but I can't see how the US Government would allow such an act to occur if they knew about it, let alone orchestrated it. Surely they cannot have seen any good coming from it?

[Katman]

Surely they cannot have seen any good coming from it?

War, HUH...what is it good for?

Making money.

[oldrider]

I must admit one thing that I wondered even as 9/11 was still fresh on the reporters lips that year, the genuine lack of aircraft bits at the Pentagon. Gotta admit that that bit smells a bit. Don't get me wrong, i am not buying the spoken party line hook line and sinker, it is just that some of the conspiracy theories that I have come across just are too strange to make sense. Maybe it is me and my naivety, but I can't see how the US Government would allow such an act to occur if they knew about it, let alone orchestrated it. Surely they cannot have seen any good coming from it?

Touche - my thoughts exactly - trouble is when you try to try to verify that point of view with facts!

There are none, because the "official line brigade" have taken them all away and prevented you from viewing them!

The growing list of well qualified experts in every field are making more and more noise about it but are being blocked at every avenue!

The harder you try to find contestable information the stronger the resistance! Flooding the internet media etc with disinformation - false conspiracy theories etc.

The people involved in blocking eliminating or distorting begin to take on an overwhelming Zionist flavour! (Who owns and controls world media?)

The main players also begin to take on a clear Zionist flavour! (ownership and insurance benefits from the buildings)

The loudest claims of who was responsible in the official line has a distinct Zionist flavour! _ I.E. It was the "Arabs" of any persuasion! - "Terrorists"! Media bias?

The resulting wars are driven by a heavy Zionist beneficial (Israeli) flavour - I.E. destablisation of Middle Eastern countries surrounding Israel!

The supposed Iran nuclear threat!

AIPAC and other Zionist lobby groups were losing their dedication and commitment toward the USA Israel special relationship from American Jews.

The desire for there to be another "Pearl Harbour event" to bolster up the flagging American and Western world countries to wage to war! - Was it 9/11?

Now (especially with the benefit of hindsight) when ask the question 9/11 who benefited most from it? _ Well - simply make up your own minds!

I too think that the official line smells but more than just a bit!

Without (exorbitant) American taxpayer funding how could a country the size of Israel become so powerful and influential as it is today? :scratch:

Even more serious a question - does the average American taxpayer even know about it? :oi-grr:

[Brett]

War, HUH...what is it good for?

Making money.

But the "War on Terror" has cost them an absolute fortune. It partly galvanised the country (US) for a short period, but now even that has/is fragmenting it would seem. I don't buy the whole war for profiteering thing. maybe other "control" and "command" reasons...but not profiteering. I also just don't think that there is anyone in power in the USA that would have the balls to use force, or be behind the use of force against their own citizens. Not to that scale. Sorry...I just can't get my head there aye.

[Brett]

Touche - my thoughts exactly - trouble is when you try to try to verify that point of view with facts!

There are none, because the "official line brigade" have taken them all away and prevented you from viewing them!

The growing list of well qualified experts in every field are making more and more noise about it but are being blocked at every avenue!

The harder you try to find contestable information the stronger the resistance! Flooding the internet media etc with disinformation - false conspiracy theories etc.

The people involved in blocking eliminating or distorting begin to take on an overwhelming Zionist flavour! (Who owns and controls world media?)

The main players also begin to take on a clear Zionist flavour! (ownership and insurance benefits from the buildings)

The loudest claims of who was responsible in the official line has a distinct Zionist flavour! _ I.E. It was the "Arabs" of any persuasion! - "Terrorists"! Media bias?

The resulting wars are driven by a heavy Zionist beneficial (Israeli) flavour - I.E. destablisation of Middle Eastern countries surrounding Israel!

The supposed Iran nuclear threat!

AIPAC and other Zionist lobby groups were losing their dedication and commitment toward the USA Israel special relationship from American Jews.

The desire for there to be another "Pearl Harbour event" to bolster up the flagging American and Western world countries to wage to war! - Was it 9/11?

Now (especially with the benefit of hindsight) when ask the question 9/11 who benefited most from it? _ Well - simply make up your own minds!

I too think that the official line smells but more than just a bit!

Without (exorbitant) American taxpayer funding how could a country the size of Israel become so powerful and influential as it is today? :scratch:

Even more serious a question - does the average American taxpayer even know about it? :oi-grr:

I respect your view and you clearly can assert your position well, but I strongly disagree (on so many points that I think you and I could probably create a book on the length that thread would run to!) regarding those sentiments regarding Israel, as strongly as you probably support them. I do have the interest and inclination to debate this one...I just honestly don't have the time for all of this keyboard fighting! As one of the nasty capitalists of this country, I do have 3 companies to try and run. On this one, we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Katman]

But the "War on Terror" has cost them an absolute fortune. It partly galvanised the country (US) for a short period, but now even that has/is fragmenting it would seem. I don't buy the whole war for profiteering thing. maybe other "control" and "command" reasons...but not profiteering. I also just don't think that there is anyone in power in the USA that would have the balls to use force, or be behind the use of force against their own citizens. Not to that scale. Sorry...I just can't get my head there aye.

This might help you get your head around it.

www.globalresearch.ca/why-america-needs-war/5328631

[mashman]

But the "War on Terror" has cost them an absolute fortune. It partly galvanised the country (US) for a short period, but now even that has/is fragmenting it would seem. I don't buy the whole war for profiteering thing. maybe other "control" and "command" reasons...but not profiteering. I also just don't think that there is anyone in power in the USA that would have the balls to use force, or be behind the use of force against their own citizens. Not to that scale. Sorry...I just can't get my head there aye.

Have you ever heard of Halliburton? (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/04/266518/-Why-The-Hell-Has-War-Profiteering-Not-Been-A-HUGE-Issue#)... and that's just one of many.

[Ocean1]

War, HUH...what is it good for?

Making money.

And Frankie Goes to Hollywood were what?

Time to roll out that exploding irony meter pic I think...

[Katman]

And Frankie Goes to Hollywood were what?

Time to roll out that exploding irony meter pic I think...

Sorry, I don't get the connection.

:scratch:

[mashman]

Sorry, I don't get the connection.

Frankie also sang War. The supposed irony comes from them making money from the song. So, he's equating the multi-billion dollar military industrial complex and the subsequent millions of deaths it requires for profit to a group that made money from a song.

[Katman]

Frankie also sang War. The supposed irony comes from them making money from the song. So, he's equating the multi-billion dollar military industrial complex and the subsequent millions of deaths it requires for profit to a group that made money from a song.

Well that all makes perfect sense then.

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[Akzle]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL277F8E7AF7CA4EA9&amp;v=ezSm9TLci6M&amp;itct=C A4QxjQiEwjd5tCh8f_CAhVDJH4KHVB7AKUyCnBscHBfdmlkZW9 aFFZMUEwyNzdGOEU3QUY3Q0E0RUE5&amp;gl=NZ&amp;hl=en-GB&amp;client=mv-google

from dehumanisation to arms production, for the benefit of the nation...

Check out the dow jones.

[Katman]

http://www.tehrantimes.com/world/94288-un-a-tool-of-international-zionist-power-activist

[oldrider]

For those who think that there has not been any real international discontent over 9/11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nWcg4BqO96k

Discontent is very much world wide spread. :shit:

Not exactly my own conclusion but seriously worth a look at what other nations think - be warned long and mainly sub titles. :yes:

[Akzle]

http://www.tehrantimes.com/world/94288-un-a-tool-of-international-zionist-power-activist

well, duh.

It aint called the jewnited nations for aught.

Meanwhile incase you needed reminding how bad socialists are...
http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.php?c_id=2&objectid=11382581
oh, this innt stupid world thread... Wait, every thread on kb is....

[oldrider]

One thing Israel does is make good "endearing" law: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/anti-terror-law-israel-outdoes-itself-again-458995975

The world has been constantly reminded of the evils of Hitler's Third Reich and warned that we must never forget what happened to the Jews! (fair enough too!)

Netanyahu must be a poor listener he is asking Israel to pass laws worse than those of the Third Reich - worse still is that Israel majority support him! :scratch:

[Akzle]

The world has been constantly reminded of the evils of Hitler's Third Reich and warned that we must never forget what happened to the Jews! (fair enough too!)



well, considering that wasnt even the worst Holocaust (tm)
(no,like, seriously, actually, jews copyrighted that shit so no other slaughtered or opressed peoples can use that word)
but yeah. Pale folk have been a raping others for fuken days.

[yokel]

But the "War on Terror" has cost them an absolute fortune. It partly galvanised the country (US) for a short period, but now even that has/is fragmenting it would seem. I don't buy the whole war for profiteering thing. maybe other "control" and "command" reasons...but not profiteering. I also just don't think that there is anyone in power in the USA that would have the balls to use force, or be behind the use of force against their own citizens. Not to that scale. Sorry...I just can't get my head there aye.

and where has this fortune gone?
who is the enemy in this war of terror? the fact is the "war on terror" is a hoax.

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[Akzle]

and where has this fortune gone?
who is the enemy in this war of terror? the fact is the "war on terror" is a hoax.

o shaddup bro, just coz u hate freedom !!!1!!1


...lulz.

[mashman]

o shaddup bro, just coz u hate freedom !!!1!!1


...lulz.

Surrender your freedom, because my fear will protect you.

[mstriumph]

Yeah, I find the murder of tens of thousands of people and the associated manufactured war by confirmed liars absolutely hilarious too.

erm ... the death toll from 911 was just under 3000 ...
to put it in proportion about 11 million died in the holocaust (only 6 mil of whom were jews) - or do you think that WW2 was a righteous war entered into for pure motives and the good of mankind by paragons of virtue?

[mashman]

erm ... the death toll from 911 was just under 3000 ...
to put it in proportion about 11 million died in the holocaust (only 6 mil of whom were jews) - or do you think that WW2 was a righteous war entered into for pure motives and the good of mankind by paragons of virtue?

It sparked the "War on Terror" (hence millions)
No war is righteous and no war is virtuous.

[mstriumph]

One thing Israel does is make good "endearing" law: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/anti-terror-law-israel-outdoes-itself-again-458995975

The world has been constantly reminded of the evils of Hitler's Third Reich and warned that we must never forget what happened to the Jews! (fair enough too!)

Netanyahu must be a poor listener he is asking Israel to pass laws worse than those of the Third Reich - worse still is that Israel majority support him! :scratch:

I read your newsclip
how are these proposed laws worse than the Third Reich?
doubt if the nazi's victims waved flags - they didn't need to, just being what they were was 'criminal'. The nazis engaged in slaughtering people who had done nothing except pursue a personal lifestyle they disapproved of (not just Jews - only 6 out of 11 million were jews) - the israelis, on the other hand, are targeting people actively engaged in behaviour most people would recognise as vicious naughtiness?

ie the nazis targetted people for 'being' (themselves)
the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff)

you're not stupid - you know you are being unfair.

[mstriumph]

It sparked the "War on Terror" (hence millions)
No war is righteous and no war is virtuous.

dunno about the first part - totally agree with you on the second. any war is just plain wasteful.

[mashman]

War on Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror).

[Katman]

the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff)


Really?

You need to do some more reading.

[oldrider]

I read your newsclip how are these proposed laws worse than the Third Reich?

Somewhat disappointing coming from you but I shall take your question seriously!

The Third Reich did their bit seventy long years ago and Jewish representatives have been telling us not to forget and that it should never happen again and I agree!

The responsible world understands their story and hears their plea - what is there about it that is not to understand?

Why are "they" doing it all over again only this time as perpetrators? - Obviously their attitude is - "Do as we say not as we do"!

Not all the Palestinians especially innocent children can be classed as terrorists!

Who really are the terrorists? - The Israelis are occupying Palestinian territory (Gaza etc) and treating the Palestinians like low classless prisoners In their own country!

Worse still the United States backs Israel completely - unconditionally and financially even in vetoing Palestine receiving a fair hearing in the United Nations!

That is the part that is bitterly disappointing about Israel and their Netanyahu government!

Together they have become the "United States of Israel" with Israel the Zionist tail wagging the big Zionist American dog controlling and directing world destabilization!

[mstriumph]

Really?

You need to do some more reading.

you really can't answer in generalities when I was speaking specifics, you know - not sporting :no:

[mstriumph]

Somewhat disappointing coming from you but I shall take your question seriously!

The Third Reich did their bit seventy long years ago and Jewish representatives have been telling us not to forget and that it should never happen again and I agree!

The responsible world understands their story and hears their plea - what is there about it that is not to understand?

Why are "they" doing it all over again only this time as perpetrators? - Obviously their attitude is - "Do as we say not as we do"!

Not all the Palestinians especially innocent children can be classed as terrorists!

Who really are the terrorists? - The Israelis are occupying Palestinian territory (Gaza etc) and treating the Palestinians like low classless prisoners In their own country!

Worse still the United States backs Israel completely - unconditionally and financially even in vetoing Palestine receiving a fair hearing in the United Nations!

That is the part that is bitterly disappointing about Israel and their Netanyahu government!

Together they have become the "United States of Israel" with Israel the Zionist tail wagging the big Zionist American dog controlling and directing world destabilization!
I posted a query based specifically on your post
I don't require an outpouring of emotion on your reaction to the events of the last 70 years ... just an answer based on the question.
I don't care to debate with you the rights and wrongs of what either you or I perceive the situation to be in the middle east - neither of us have enough years left.

In short, specifically, BASED ON THE NEWSCLIP that you yourself posted,

how are these proposed laws worse than the Third Reich?
The nazis engaged in slaughtering people who had done nothing except pursue a personal lifestyle they disapproved of (not just Jews - only 6 out of 11 million were jews) - the israelis, on the other hand, are targeting people actively engaged in behaviour most people would recognise as vicious naughtiness?

ie the nazis targeted people for 'being' (themselves)
the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff)

you really can't keep moving the goalposts you know, it's not cricket :rolleyes:

[Akzle]

fuck me it echos in here.

[oldrider]

The nazis engaged in slaughtering people who had done nothing except pursue a personal lifestyle they disapproved of (not just Jews - only 6 out of 11 million were jews) - the israelis, on the other hand, are targeting people actively engaged in behaviour most people would recognise as vicious naughtiness?

ie the nazis targeted people for 'being' (themselves)
the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff)

how are these proposed laws worse than the Third Reich? - They know better and they know what they are doing is wrong preventing legal representation at UN!

Also preventing Israeli war criminals facing legal trial!

ie the nazis targeted people for 'being' (themselves) - So are the Israelis, targeting Palestinians for simply being Palestinians!

the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff) - Really! - Pure theatrics, primitive ineffectual rockets against high tech modern weapons!

Israel uses deadly accurate and powerful smart weapons against Palestinian civilian areas deliberately and knowingly killing and maiming innocent people!

Who is really doing the bad stuff?

Netanyahu will probably be returned next election for more of the same - thanks to substantial financial backing from America! (It's their own money I guess)

Link:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/meet-the-three-american-families-bankrolling-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-9966074.html I wonder who finances our own PM?

[mashman]

Somewhat disappointing coming from you but I shall take your question seriously!

The Third Reich did their bit seventy long years ago and Jewish representatives have been telling us not to forget and that it should never happen again and I agree!

The responsible world understands their story and hears their plea - what is there about it that is not to understand?

Why are "they" doing it all over again only this time as perpetrators? - Obviously their attitude is - "Do as we say not as we do"!

Not all the Palestinians especially innocent children can be classed as terrorists!

Who really are the terrorists? - The Israelis are occupying Palestinian territory (Gaza etc) and treating the Palestinians like low classless prisoners In their own country!

Worse still the United States backs Israel completely - unconditionally and financially even in vetoing Palestine receiving a fair hearing in the United Nations!

That is the part that is bitterly disappointing about Israel and their Netanyahu government!

Together they have become the "United States of Israel" with Israel the Zionist tail wagging the big Zionist American dog controlling and directing world destabilization!

Unfortunately I agree with too much of that John. Having said that, I'm at the point where I know that some entity is pulling strings that we can't dream up. Unfortunately there's a fuckload of information that points towards israel and the u.s. being at the root of it. So for me it doesn't matter who is doing it, it is that it is being done that is my concern, I mean, how do you stop that which is taking place let alone do it peacefully? Because as you say, they are the power and they do know what they're doing.

[mashman]

I posted a query based specifically on your post
I don't require an outpouring of emotion on your reaction to the events of the last 70 years ... just an answer based on the question.
I don't care to debate with you the rights and wrongs of what either you or I perceive the situation to be in the middle east - neither of us have enough years left.

In short, specifically, BASED ON THE NEWSCLIP that you yourself posted,

how are these proposed laws worse than the Third Reich?
The nazis engaged in slaughtering people who had done nothing except pursue a personal lifestyle they disapproved of (not just Jews - only 6 out of 11 million were jews) - the israelis, on the other hand, are targeting people actively engaged in behaviour most people would recognise as vicious naughtiness?

ie the nazis targeted people for 'being' (themselves)
the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff)

you really can't keep moving the goalposts you know, it's not cricket :rolleyes:

I read very little emotion in Oldriders post. My reality/perception yadda yadda.

Do you not think the invasion, I use the term lightly not, of palestine by israel is ok? Have a search for "Evolution of Mandate Palestine" in here and just read the bits under the pictures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine)... if you like. If that was australia obtaining new zealand land, don't you think there'd be a few Kiwi up in arms? Arabs, Muslims, Christians etc... bullshit. It is countries that are the problem, the religions are the excuse. This is an older game than any of us understand and throughout history, you can see how land has changed hands and names and geographical borders etc... You are witnessing the modern day version and it isn't done with handshakes and kisses. My reality/perception based on what I see happening around the world.

Laws and money are tools. Who owns the reserve currency for the global economy? What doesn't money buy?

Just my as unemotive as possible 2c.

[mstriumph]

how are these proposed laws worse than the Third Reich? - They know better and they know what they are doing is wrong preventing legal representation at UN!

Also preventing Israeli war criminals facing legal trial!

ie the nazis targeted people for 'being' (themselves) - So are the Israelis, targeting Palestinians for simply being Palestinians!

the israelis are attempting to target people for 'doing' (bad stuff) - Really! - Pure theatrics, primitive ineffectual rockets against high tech modern weapons!

Israel uses deadly accurate and powerful smart weapons against Palestinian civilian areas deliberately and knowingly killing and maiming innocent people!

Who is really doing the bad stuff?

Netanyahu will probably be returned next election for more of the same - thanks to substantial financial backing from America! (It's their own money I guess)

Link:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/meet-the-three-american-families-bankrolling-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-9966074.html I wonder who finances our own PM?

no point in talking to you if you continually keep evading the point
you are being blinded by your dislike for these people - there's a name for this and it isn't noble

[mstriumph]

I read very little emotion in Oldriders post. My reality/perception yadda yadda.

Do you not think the invasion, I use the term lightly not, of palestine by israel is ok? Have a search for "Evolution of Mandate Palestine" in here and just read the bits under the pictures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine)... if you like. If that was australia obtaining new zealand land, don't you think there'd be a few Kiwi up in arms? Arabs, Muslims, Christians etc... bullshit. It is countries that are the problem, the religions are the excuse. This is an older game than any of us understand and throughout history, you can see how land has changed hands and names and geographical borders etc... You are witnessing the modern day version and it isn't done with handshakes and kisses. My reality/perception based on what I see happening around the world.

Laws and money are tools. Who owns the reserve currency for the global economy? What doesn't money buy?

Just my as unemotive as possible 2c.

appreciate that, thanks

but it's still not on topic re my post ... I repeat, israel's proposed new laws vis a vis the laws of nazi germany where what I was debating ... people in general unhappy with israel's general conduct in the middle east keep trying to hijack the debate and fly it to cuba

in this post of yours you are even trying to broaden the arguement even further to what happens throughout history and in the rest of the world - not valid in terms of my post

sorry
it isn't on

[mashman]

appreciate that, thanks

but it's still not on topic re my post ... I repeat, israel's proposed new laws vis a vis the laws of nazi germany where what I was debating ... people in general unhappy with israel's general conduct in the middle east keep trying to hijack the debate and fly it to cuba

in this post of yours you are even trying to broaden the arguement even further to what happens throughout history and in the rest of the world - not valid in terms of my post

sorry
it isn't on

Fair enough. The broadening was not intentional, but I believe that it is pertinent. I would say that it is far worse to legislate for what was once a criminal act, especially when that act is murder and the displacement of a people who are fighting for their homeland. If a palestinian is labelled a terrorist (broad definition) and the choose to fight for their homeland, the law is stating that israel reserves the right to obliterate everything and everyone that was connected to their life... and no court in the world will be allowed to challenge those murders because that murder was made legal.

[unstuck]

All this blowing up and shooting and shit has got to stop.
We should go back to the good old days where you just infect a whole heap of blankets with diseases and hand them out as loving gestures, much more civilized.:innocent:

[oldrider]

no point in talking to you if you continually keep evading the point
you are being blinded by your dislike for these people - there's a name for this and it isn't noble

Likewise! - That old chestnut of antisemitism just doesn't cut it and you know it!

"Sticks and stone break our bones but names can never hurt us" - schooldays stuff huh! :mellow:

[mstriumph]

Likewise! - That old chestnut of antisemitism just doesn't cut it and you know it!

"Sticks and stone break our bones but names can never hurt us" - schooldays stuff huh! :mellow:

I do hope that I have never used that descriptor in this context :oi-grr:
we were talking about the middle east - last time I looked, Arabs were Semites too?

[pete376403]

I do hope that I have never used that descriptor in this context :oi-grr:
we were talking about the middle east - last time I looked, Arabs were Semites too?
Not in the context of "anti-semitism". That appears to be used exclusively as meaning anti-jewish.
(Otherwise the Israelis would be anti-semetic on account of their attitude and treatment of Palestinians)

[mashman]

(Otherwise the Israelis would be anti-semetic on account of their attitude and treatment of Palestinians)

Ethnic cleansing.

[mstriumph]

Not in the context of "anti-semitism". That appears to be used exclusively as meaning anti-jewish.
(Otherwise the Israelis would be anti-semetic on account of their attitude and treatment of Palestinians)

talking fact, not common usage ... but, thinking about it, I haven't heard of Arabs being called anti-semetic when they target israeli school buses either so it just goes to prove how daft the entire situation is? we in the west seem to be the ones slapping labels on people that they don't use for themselves :no: so seemingly logic has nothing to do with anything any more

[oldrider]

logic has nothing to do with anything any more
True!

Nothing more to be said either - just watch and wait helplessly as wars roll on and on and hope that we and our children are spared the indignity of it all. :doh:

[mashman]

They did have something to say after all. The guy has a point.

‘Leave Muslims alone’: Paris hostage taker’s attempt to justify attacks ‘taped’ by media (http://www.rt.com/news/221503-paris-gunman-argues-hostages/)

[oldrider]

They did have something to say after all. The guy has a point.

‘Leave Muslims alone’: Paris hostage taker’s attempt to justify attacks ‘taped’ by media (http://www.rt.com/news/221503-paris-gunman-argues-hostages/)

This is all getting very messy, constantly growing warfare, constant loss of respect and trust in our world leaders, confusion of the masses, civil disobedience and general lawlessness it just might end up in total world chaos! :scratch:

How long will that last and "who" will take control and "who" will restore peace and rule the world in the future? :eek: (The new world order perhaps?)

If there is a God - it looks more and more likely that God may be the only cab left on the rank soon! :facepalm: - :corn:

Not looking good just now is it! :no: After all, He started it all in the first place, didn't he? :confused:

[unstuck]

This is all getting very messy, constantly growing warfare, constant loss of respect and trust in our world leaders, confusion of the masses, civil disobedience and general lawlessness it just might end up in total world chaos! :scratch:

How long will that last and "who" will take control and "who" will restore peace and rule the world in the future? :eek: (The new world order perhaps?)

If there is a God - it looks more and more likely that God may be the only cab left on the rank soon! :facepalm: - :corn:

Not looking good just now is it! :no: After all, He started it all in the first place, didn't he? :confused:

Things sometimes have to get worse to get better. A lot of alcoholics will tell you that they really had to hit rock bottom, before they could make any sort of real change in their circumstances.
And I think there is a way to go before society as a whole reaches rock bottom. Who's God will be left on the rank? Maybe that is what started all this nonsense, I'm right, your wrong kinda thinking.

Stupid humans.........Beam me up ramtha.:innocent:

[mashman]

How long will that last and "who" will take control and "who" will restore peace and rule the world in the future? :eek: (The new world order perhaps?)

Not looking good just now is it! :no: After all, He started it all in the first place, didn't he? :confused:

Perhaps a new ordered world instead :blip:

It's looking as it has to look and it will likely get much worse... right up to the point where something more sane comes along and the majority get a chance to vote for it. The darkest hour is just before dawn, We changed at the precipice, No fate but what we make etc...

[Ocean1]

This is all getting very messy, constantly growing warfare...

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[mashman]

I'm guessing his definition of warfare is somewhat broader than yours.

[mstriumph]

This is all getting very messy, ..............................
If there is a God - it looks more and more likely that God may be the only cab left on the rank soon! :facepalm: - :corn:

Not looking good just now is it! :no: After all, He started it all in the first place, didn't he? :confused:

yes, but WHO'S god?
not being discriminatory but, from observation, I REALLY don't like the fella those Muslims were doing stuff in the name of - he seems like a vicious old bastard?

[oldrider]

yes, but WHO'S god?
not being discriminatory but, from observation, I REALLY don't like the fella those Muslims were doing stuff in the name of - he seems like a vicious old bastard?

But wait! - Don't they all claim to be working for the same one? - :rolleyes::thud::doh: .... Just someone to blame and/or hide behind! :grouphug:

:psst: Telling god on you! :kick:

[mada]

Shit is getting real out there: :gob:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=504_1411297524

[Edbear]

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Not so many such conflicts these days, more civil unrest and internal warring and more civilian targetting. Messier and harder to deal with.

[Akzle]

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huh,
wonder what happened before 1946...

[oldrider]

Not so many such conflicts these days, more civil unrest and internal warring and more civilian targetting. Messier and harder to deal with.

It's the 21st century there is no need for all this shit the whole world knows better now! :brick:

But there it is just the same all driven by the desire to manipulate money people and ultimately the new world order! :facepalm:

[yokel]

huh,
wonder what happened before 1946...

we dont want to lose sight of the fact that jews were the only real victims as a result of WWII ya know.
nice piece of miss information that graph.

[Katman]

nice piece of miss information that graph.

Ocean's good at that.

[Ocean1]

I'm guessing his definition of warfare is somewhat broader than yours.

You mean wrong?

Obviously.

[mashman]

You mean wrong?

Obviously.

No. Different. Obviously.

[oldrider]

Likewise! - That old chestnut of antisemitism just doesn't cut it and you know it!

"Sticks and stone break our bones but names can never hurt us" - schooldays stuff huh! :mellow:


I do hope that I have never used that descriptor in this context :oi-grr:
we were talking about the middle east - last time I looked, Arabs were Semites too?

Are accusations of antisemitism suffering from over-use syndrome? Some think so! : http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/despite-claims-that-antisemitism-is-on-the-rise-in-the-uk-its-israels-critics-who-need-protection-9651586.html

[mashman]

Are accusations of antisemitism suffering from over-use syndrome? Some think so! : http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/despite-claims-that-antisemitism-is-on-the-rise-in-the-uk-its-israels-critics-who-need-protection-9651586.html

That was my experience too. I had to come to NZ, after 35 years in the UK, to be called an anti-semite. Other than that, I've never heard the term... even among the more "irreverent" friends.

[oldrider]

Propaganda today? - ISIS? - Israel? - Both? - Who has been pulling the wool over American eyes? :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHwp7uwK6bE

[mashman]

Propaganda today? - ISIS? - Israel? - Both? - Who has been pulling the wool over American eyes? :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHwp7uwK6bE

Refreshing view.

[yokel]

Propaganda today? - ISIS? - Israel? - Both? - Who has been pulling the wool over American eyes? :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHwp7uwK6bE

cool vid.

now ISIS have Japan in their sights! haha what a lot of bullshit.
why do people continuously fall for this dumb shit?

http://youtu.be/9hsL4bmRdpk

[Virago]

"It must be true - how do I know?
The men on Youtube told me so."

[mashman]

"It must be true - how do I know?
The men on Youtube told me so."

The voices in my head v's the voices of any media?

From the Zion's den, heh. There's 6 media reports by captured journalist John Cantlie. Interesting name. View what the "coalition forces" are going to walk into.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di0bI1Prkbc&bpctr=1421827090

[oldrider]

"It must be true - how do I know?
The men on Youtube told me so."

Hmmmm - that response is beneath my estimation of you but I guess we all have our off days! :scratch:

No one asks that you believe anything simply consider and make what you will of it! - Your free choice! :)

[oldrider]

Who really are our enemies - who really are our friends? - do the blind follow the blind? - are we really simply the sheeple following America?

Why do Muslims hate America? -

Scott Horton radio interview with ex CIA Michael Scheuer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V68OAidcyGY . different viewpoint than our government I betcha.

[Akzle]

Why do Muslims hate America? -


because its an immoral cess pit run by usurious jews with a desire to enslave everyone and a need for continuing if not escalating global conflict and resource exploitation in the name of their profit?

[Katman]

And just to keep the whole beheading business in balance....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/65306459/the-saudis-are-every-bit-as-sickening-as-islamic-state

[Akzle]

brilliant toon in the aggravate (the townies' rag) today, by jim hubbard. Perhaps some cunt can google it.