Question about 1 July rego changes

[splatcat]

My bike rego bill came in with a note saying not to pay past 1 july as up to 41% reduction in acc charges . What sort of reduction are bikes looking at or is this just another load of bullshit ?

[Oblivion]

99c reduction just to make it look like they've done something :corn:

[splatcat]

For some strange reason I could believe that:facepalm:

[Oblivion]

We only get the discount on the ACC petrol component, Which is 4c a litre on petrol. So we still get the short end of the stick

[R650R]

My one said due to non payment of rego and tickets for last ten years I'd reached a level where it was no longer economical for them to pursue my debt.
They gave me the option to either do 100 hours community service to keep my current number plates and just display the blank side of rego label or if I was ok not having plates I could just ignore all the rreminders and drive without rego plates altogether but I must return them in the post along with a $7.95 degestration fee.

BTW the rego changes may or may not happen this year, the July 1 2015 date was just indicative of the earliest anything would happen, govt depts and all.......

[splatcat]

well if I,m not going to get any reduction from acc at lest I can hurt myself laughing at shit on here and make a claim :clap:

[haydes55]

My rego expires June, minimum rego is 3 months, so I have the option or rego for 3 months, then buy 12 months in September, paying 2 admin fees for what might be no saving.... Or buy a years worth and carry on as usual..... Or put her on hold and continue my stance of not stopping for police, then buy a house in Auckland with my savings.

[Waihou Thumper]

minimum rego is 3 months

Minimum is for whatever you decide! You can do it for a month if you wish, just more paperwork.

[samgab]

"Are levies being reduced for all vehicles? Will motorcycle levies be reduced as well?
ACC levies will not be reduced for motorcycles or mopeds in 2015. This is because motorcycle related injuries continue to generate disproportionately high costs for ACC and motorcycle levies are already heavily subsidised by owners of other types of vehicles. Motorcyclists will benefit from the reduction in the petrol levy."

"Which vehicles are getting a levy reduction?
Commercial and private light passenger vehicles, cars, utes, vans less than 40 years old and weighing less than 3500kg."

-source: NZTA (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/fees.html), NZTA FAQ PDF (http://nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/docs/2015-acc-levy-reduction-and-vrr-introduction-faqs.pdf)

[swbarnett]

"Are levies being reduced for all vehicles? Will motorcycle levies be reduced as well?
ACC levies will not be reduced for motorcycles or mopeds in 2015. This is because motorcycle related injuries continue to generate disproportionately high costs for ACC and motorcycle levies are already heavily subsidised by owners of other types of vehicles. Motorcyclists will benefit from the reduction in the petrol levy."

"Which vehicles are getting a levy reduction?
Commercial and private light passenger vehicles, cars, utes, vans less than 40 years old and weighing less than 3500kg."

-source: NZTA (http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/fees.html), NZTA FAQ PDF (http://nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/docs/2015-acc-levy-reduction-and-vrr-introduction-faqs.pdf)
Wankers! They obviously don't speak English as they definitely don't understand the meaning of "NO FAULT"!

[Gremlin]

My rego expires June, minimum rego is 3 months, so I have the option or rego for 3 months, then buy 12 months in September, paying 2 admin fees for what might be no saving.... Or buy a years worth and carry on as usual.....
My van expires June 1. From memory, it's form MR27 to change the rego expiry. You could literally buy a week if you wanted.

[Waihou Thumper]

My van expires June 1. From memory, it's form MR27 to change the rego expiry. You could literally buy a week if you wanted.

Or a day, so they say...I hear it being done in the motor trade. For whatever reason escapes me?

[splatcat]

yeah just been reading all the bullshit on it and it bloody sucks when they say 39% of motorcycle accidents caused by cars and trucks , oh well been riding nearly forty years now so cant see it stopping me.:dodge:

[Reckless]

yeah just been reading all the bullshit on it and it bloody sucks when they say 39% of motorcycle accidents caused by cars and trucks , oh well been riding nearly forty years now so cant see it stopping me.:dodge:

So by their own figures the 61% left still causes motorcycle related injuries continue to generate disproportionately high costs for ACC?

Does that seem a but off??

[Gremlin]

Or a day, so they say...I hear it being done in the motor trade. For whatever reason escapes me?

Just used MR27 today (was right about the number) as I was there for another vehicle. Form simply asks you what you want the new expiry date to be, obviously can't be previous to it's current expiry, and can't be more than 15 months into the future.

Cost $33.20 I think for just over a month (changed expiry to 5 July just to be safe).

[jasonu]

You forgot to read the fine print as it says only for certain vehicle classes not bikes. They would have saved money though by not sending the notice to motorcycle owners as they must be worth a cent or 2 each.

So you're saying motorcycle owners are only worth a cent or 2 each?

[splatcat]

This 600cc and over bit has got me stuff as we should all be on the lower rate . what difference does it make if your on a 250cc or 1000cc if some blind asshole rear ends you while your sitting at a set of lights . Suppose acc will want us to wear parachutes that open on impact or backrests have to be change to roll bars attach to our seats with ejection units fitted. The stupid bit of it all is your still covered whether rego or not.
I was doing just over speed limit in town awhile back and a bicyclist shot past me . He must pay an acc levy on his fingerless gloves lmfao

[Banditbandit]

I re-registered a bike last week. They told me NOT to do it for 12 months as the ACC component was going to be reduced. And that it would come into effect on April 1 (I wonder if the date was significant.)

I asked how much it was going down by and they told me that it would be about $10 a month ... meaning that for every month I registered the bike past April 1 was costing me $10 a month. That would be $120 a year at that rate.

I did a short registration (six months, because a June date was also mentioned) ... If the cost goes down I save money. If the cost does not go down I still need to register the bike in six months and it won't matter ...

My advice is go for a short registration .. if the ACC component is reduced then you save money - if it is not reduced it doesn't matter ...

[Reckless]

I re-registered a bike last week. They told me NOT to do it for 12 months as the ACC component was going to be reduced. And that it would come into effect on April 1 (I wonder if the date was significant.)

I asked how much it was going down by and they told me that it would be about $10 a month ... meaning that for every month I registered the bike past April 1 was costing me $10 a month. That would be $120 a year at that rate.

I did a short registration (six months, because a June date was also mentioned) ... If the cost goes down I save money. If the cost does not go down I still need to register the bike in six months and it won't matter ...

My advice is go for a short registration .. if the ACC component is reduced then you save money - if it is not reduced it doesn't matter ...

Hey bandit
How did it look as you understand it are the counter staff just confused as to the bike vs car thing or did they seem knowledgeable that we are going to get a reduction??

[Mo NZ]

2 questions.
1 - how much is it going to cost or how much less than now?
(anybody actually know?)

2 - why do they not do it now.
( why f-n wait)

[EJK]

Is LTNZ run by the Dog and Lemon dude?

[mossy1200]

My rego expires June, minimum rego is 3 months, so I have the option or rego for 3 months, then buy 12 months in September, paying 2 admin fees for what might be no saving.... Or buy a years worth and carry on as usual..... Or put her on hold and continue my stance of not stopping for police, then buy a house in Auckland with my savings.

Min rego is one week. But your paying admin fees.

[mossy1200]

I got my rego renewal notice today and it didn't include the short rego advice that came with the van renewal.

[haydes55]

Min rego is one week. But your paying admin fees.


Could someone put their rego on hold for 3 months, then buy a weeks rego, then repeat? If pulled up, apologise and say you didn't realise it was out, usually cops give you time to comply, rego for a week, get off the ticket, then on hold again. A lot of paperwork, a bit of a risk, but worth hundreds $$$

[Gremlin]

Could someone put their rego on hold for 3 months, then buy a weeks rego, then repeat?
Yes, as long as you follow the rules.
- You can only put a vehicle rego on hold when rego expires.
- The rego must be on hold for a minimum of 3 months, otherwise you'll need to back pay.

Remember the per day cost of rego gets more expensive the shorter the period you buy, and admin fees are chucked on top of every transaction.

If you're only riding the bike part of the year, sure. Otherwise, less hassle to leave it rego'd (but I only buy in 6 month blocks now) and more incentive to ride it more often :eek:

[mossy1200]

Could someone put their rego on hold for 3 months, then buy a weeks rego, then repeat? If pulled up, apologise and say you didn't realise it was out, usually cops give you time to comply, rego for a week, get off the ticket, then on hold again. A lot of paperwork, a bit of a risk, but worth hundreds $$$

The issue isn't the rego length its the hold length.
I don't think if you have rego on hold you get a chance to go pay as its not going to be like it ran out and you didn't realise.

[Racing Dave]

Min rego is one week. But your paying admin fees.

No, it's one day.

[Racing Dave]

- You can only put a vehicle rego on hold when rego expires.


Not strictly true - if I buy a couple of day's rego, at the same time (ie, immediately after the label is printed) I submit the on-hold form. The hold period then starts from the day after the date on the new label.

[Swoop]

Could someone put their rego on hold for 3 months, then buy a weeks rego, then repeat?
The nice lady at the Postshop said "it is better to put it on a 12 month hold".
It doesn't matter if you renew rego before then, but more challenging for shorter durations. As stated, the minimum period (to save money) is 3 months. Anything less than that you will be required to backpay to the date it expired.

[jasonu]

My rego expires June, minimum rego is 3 months, so I have the option or rego for 3 months, then buy 12 months in September, paying 2 admin fees for what might be no saving.... Or buy a years worth and carry on as usual..... Or put her on hold and continue my stance of not stopping for police, then buy a house in Auckland with my savings.


Could someone put their rego on hold for 3 months, then buy a weeks rego, then repeat? If pulled up, apologise and say you didn't realise it was out, usually cops give you time to comply, rego for a week, get off the ticket, then on hold again. A lot of paperwork, a bit of a risk, but worth hundreds $$$


Yes, as long as you follow the rules.
- You can only put a vehicle rego on hold when rego expires.
- The rego must be on hold for a minimum of 3 months, otherwise you'll need to back pay.

Remember the per day cost of rego gets more expensive the shorter the period you buy, and admin fees are chucked on top of every transaction.

If you're only riding the bike part of the year, sure. Otherwise, less hassle to leave it rego'd (but I only buy in 6 month blocks now) and more incentive to ride it more often :eek:


The issue isn't the rego length its the hold length.
I don't think if you have rego on hold you get a chance to go pay as its not going to be like it ran out and you didn't realise.


No, it's one day.


Not strictly true - if I buy a couple of day's rego, at the same time (ie, immediately after the label is printed) I submit the on-hold form. The hold period then starts from the day after the date on the new label.

Jesus what a lot of cunting around. From afar it looks like part of the huge rego costs you lot have to pay is for the horribly complicated and confusing system that controls it.

[Banditbandit]

Hey bandit
How did it look as you understand it are the counter staff just confused as to the bike vs car thing or did they seem knowledgeable that we are going to get a reduction??


Yeah - they did. Said they'd had letters about it and all ... adn they seem to think that it would be around $120 a year reduction ...

I'm not sure what will happen ... if it doesn't go down I haven't lost anything .. if it does go down I've saved money ..

[Haggis2]

Yeah - they did. Said they'd had letters about it and all ... adn they seem to think that it would be around $120 a year reduction ...



Taken from NZTA agent portal....

Are levies being reduced for all vehicles? Will motorcycle levies be reduced as well?
ACC levies will not be reduced for motorcycles or mopeds in 2015. This is because motorcycle-related injuries continue to generate disproportionately high costs for ACC and motorcycle levies are already heavily subsidised by owners of other types of vehicles.

:facepalm:

[haydes55]

Jesus what a lot of cunting around. From afar it looks like part of the huge rego costs you lot have to pay is for the horribly complicated and confusing system that controls it.


In reality it's simple as shit, hand over $$$ get a sticker.

It's complicated when cheap asses (me) try figure out a way to afford to eat for a couple weeks when rego is due.

[Mr Revhead]

Yes, as long as you follow the rules.
- You can only put a vehicle rego on hold when rego expires.

No, you must put it on hold BEFORE it expires. You cannot put a vehicle on hold after the expiry date. If it has already expired, then you need to pay rego fees up to the day you are putting it on hold, before they will allow a hold.
Note expired, is not lapsed.

[R650R]

Or put her on hold and continue my stance of not stopping for police,

So have you ever actually been signalled to stop by the police??? bike chases are pretty rare these days...

[Racing Dave]

No, you must put it on hold BEFORE it expires. You cannot put a vehicle on hold after the expiry date. If it has already expired, then you need to pay rego fees up to the day you are putting it on hold, before they will allow a hold.
Note expired, is not lapsed.

Wrong again.

Explanation first. I have a mate in Oz who stores his bike here (NZ) and buys a few days rego when he visits. His NZ license has expired, so he (legally) rides on his Australian one. He was here two weeks ago, and when he left he tried to use the 'on-line putting rego on hold' part of NZTA's website, to no avail. Thus, the rego expired without being put on hold.

Solution. I phoned NZTA on his behalf and, it has to be said, the chap I spoke to was very helpful, and explained that although the owner of the bike had an expired NZ license and couldn't put the rego on hold, I could. Indeed, anyone with a licence can put anyone's rego on hold - no permission needed.

Thus, with the rego expired for a few days I applied for 12 months on-hold, and that started from the day I applied, being several days after the rego expired. The 'missing' days in between appear to have vanished without a trace - and certainly without a fee or back-dating.

The system is not complicated - it's just that many people rely on their information from those who don't know, and make out that they do, or guess. It's very straight forward. Contact the NZTA for facts - contact Kiwi Biker for made up answers. (Except from me - this is correct!)

[Mr Revhead]

You managed to fall into a gap then, maybe because it was only a few days, or the guy you spoke to just did it and bypassed something. I have had lapsed rego reinstated after pleading my case on the phone to some one high enough up the chain.

You got lucky. Leave a month then try.

[Reckless]

My Z1R is on hold and i've had it both ways had to pay the gap and been given grace.
Also once where I left it to long and called up on the phone pleaded my case and said the bike is under refurb and they have let me off the rego gap.
I think it was about 4 months???
Seems to be some discretion in the system if your nice and reasonable.

[more_fasterer]

Leave a month then try.


It should still work, based on my experience: I'd forgotten to put my old VFR400's rego on hold until 3 weeks after it had expired, when I went online & put it on hold for 3 months it backdated the 3 months hold from the date the rego expiry.

Have you had a different experience?

[Mr Revhead]

Yes you can often get away with a lot more if you deal direct with the NZTA and get the right person. But I would not rely on it! Or try it at VTNZ :brick:

[Mr Revhead]

It should still work, based on my experience: I'd forgotten to put my old VFR400's rego on hold until 3 weeks after it had expired, when I went online & put it on hold for 3 months it backdated the 3 months hold from the date the rego expiry.

Have you had a different experience?

Yes, go to put it on hold and it pops up with a fee to pay to bring the rego up to date before going on hold.

[jasonu]

. Indeed, anyone with a licence can put anyone's rego on hold - no permission needed.



If that is true it is really fucking stupid. It sounds stupid enough that it shouldn't be true. What is the point of it if it is true? What is to stop me, a NZ drivers license holder from randomly getting plate and vin numbers from parked vehicles and having their rego put on hold just for fun?

[roogazza]

My Z1R is on hold and i've had it both ways had to pay the gap and been given grace.
Also once where I left it to long and called up on the phone pleaded my case and said the bike is under refurb and they have let me off the rego gap.
I think it was about 4 months???
Seems to be some discretion in the system if your nice and reasonable.
Yes Reckless,I pleaded my case when I got a bill for $500 because I hadn't extended the On Hold, on date. Well, I had ! I had done it on line and it had been accepted !
Guy at NZTA went away and checked and sure enough I wasn't telling porkies. He waved the bill and the penalty and put it on hold for me for a further 12 months. (his words,well I don't know what happened there ?).:confused:

[haydes55]

So have you ever actually been signalled to stop by the police??? bike chases are pretty rare these days...


I've been pulled over and the cop claimed I had done a runner on him a few weeks earlier.... Wasn't doing anything illegal when he stopped me and deny deny deny....

I've had a cop flash its lights at me a few weeks back and carried on, never saw him do a U turn.

So no, I've never done a runner.

[Racing Dave]

If that is true it is really fucking stupid. It sounds stupid enough that it shouldn't be true. What is the point of it if it is true? What is to stop me, a NZ drivers license holder from randomly getting plate and vin numbers from parked vehicles and having their rego put on hold just for fun?

I agree, it is stupid, but it's the way it is.

If you randomly put a stranger's rego on hold (and it would be funny) you do leave a trace in the system - your name and license number.

BTW, you don't need the VIN, just the plate number.

[splatcat]

Then everything seems to be up to the gods of road taxes , I,ve never understood the logic in you cant rego you vehicle unless warrants up to date but if you put on hold because vehicle needs repairs to bring up to standards for a warrant and rego has lapse a little they want you too pay the out standing part , even thou has no warrant.
Maybe that old saying applies " never believe anything you hear and only half of what you see "
The ideal thing would be for warrant and rego to be one package so if only riding 6 months of the year , that's what you pay for, If you leave it for to long the 12 month lapse crap thing would still apply but i suppose that's to simple and I,m dreaming lol