Microsoft to give away Windows 10, unveils hologram glasses

[mashman]

Investors aren't chuffed (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-says-windows-10-free-upgrade-recent-buyers-173242988--finance.html) :killingme

[Scuba_Steve]

Pretty big move for MS especially considering something like 60% of their cash moneys comes from Windows

[Gremlin]

Pretty big move for MS especially considering something like 60% of their cash moneys comes from Windows
Only for 1 year though. How will the free work? Normally upgrades from an existing Windows doesn't play nicely. Fresh installs are better.

Businesses won't shift quickly to 10 either. Lot of testing to be done etc.

Interesting... but the devil is in the details. Many didn't shift to 8, clearly MS wants to try and remove barriers to moving to 10 (like eliminating 9) :wacko:

[SPman]

Free for a year, then probably subscription base - ie after a year, if you want to keep your Windows OS, start paying........Hmm...Linux is starting to look like an idea after all.....

[mashman]

Pretty big move for MS especially considering something like 60% of their cash moneys comes from Windows

"The 'free' strategy is designed to put Windows in as many devices as possible. The company would then make up for any lost revenue by selling services such as Office over the Internet, or cloud."

Office 365, Sharepoint Online, Azure blah blah blah... There'll probably be no windeez in 10 years as we'll all be back on dumb terminals.

[Reckless]

I'll upgrade as long as there's no Annual subscription.

I use Windows 7 pro on my main comp and Laptop and 8.1 on my Tablet.
Yet I use none of the other MS products.
Use Open office, Chrome and Thunderbird which sync all my calenders, contacts, appointments etc via Google Calender to all devices.
Their logic is possibly flawed as there is generally no need to have Office or outlook?
Was thinking of Office 365 for a while as The Annual subscription rate has come down heaps but the system I have running now runs so well its not worth the upset?

[Scuba_Steve]

"The 'free' strategy is designed to put Windows in as many devices as possible. The company would then make up for any lost revenue by selling services such as Office over the Internet, or cloud."

Office 365, Sharepoint Online, Azure blah blah blah... There'll probably be no windeez in 10 years as we'll all be back on dumb terminals.

Yea I saw that, most other reports left that detail out leaving speculation for 1yr trial or 1yr upgrade [with new PC] etc
Their strategy might work... Alot of consumers don't buy Windows either they "obtain it through less respected means" or it comes with new PC so to give it for free will probably have alot upgrading & you'll probably see a MUCH bigger push of their sub-par app store; then businesses, like Gremlin said, won't upgrade straight away so they'll miss the free period & have to pay (which someone tells me is a new inflated price?) so it could be a win overall for MS, who knows

[AllanB]

I'm 50 next month. I know - I type like a 40 year old - cheers guys.

When I was young the comics (now called graphic novels for you younger readers) all advertised X-ray glasses - the advert always had a picture of a guy checking out a girl!

[Akzle]

jesus fucking fuck.

One day i'll get windows 7. Probably when its abandonware.

Srsly, who the fuck pays to/ gets a new fucking OS every, what, 3 years??

[mashman]

Yea I saw that, most other reports left that detail out leaving speculation for 1yr trial or 1yr upgrade [with new PC] etc
Their strategy might work... Alot of consumers don't buy Windows either they "obtain it through less respected means" or it comes with new PC so to give it for free will probably have alot upgrading & you'll probably see a MUCH bigger push of their sub-par app store; then businesses, like Gremlin said, won't upgrade straight away so they'll miss the free period & have to pay (which someone tells me is a new inflated price?) so it could be a win overall for MS, who knows

All fair points... I wonder how MSDN is going to fit in with their strategy?

[Tazz]

If they combine it with stopping updates for 7 people will move. It's the only reason a lot of businesses finally moved from XP to 7 last year.

I've never paid for windoze (just use the bundled OS but cleaned up) however I do pay for Office 365 and as suggested I think subscription will be their direction. More potential money in it too from business users.

[TheDemonLord]

Their logic is possibly flawed as there is generally no need to have Office or outlook?

it depends - in the corporate world, Office and Outlook are standard - there is just so much functionality with Exchange, AD, Sharepoint etc. that means that anything else isn't worth it

[pzkpfw]

I'll upgrade as long as there's no Annual subscription.

I use Windows 7 pro on my main comp and Laptop and 8.1 on my Tablet.
Yet I use none of the other MS products.
Use Open office, Chrome and Thunderbird which sync all my calenders, contacts, appointments etc via Google Calender to all devices.
Their logic is possibly flawed as there is generally no need to have Office or outlook?
Was thinking of Office 365 for a while as The Annual subscription rate has come down heaps but the system I have running now runs so well its not worth the upset?

What keeps you on Windows at all? From this you sound like a candidate for Linux or even a Chromebook.

[Akzle]

it depends - in the corporate world, Office and Outlook are standard - there is just so much functionality with Exchange, AD, Sharepoint etc. that means that anything else isn't worth it

openoffice> apache office> ms office >

exchange, i'll givem, not that there aren't alternatives. stacks and stacks of free alternatives. but for an existing deployment is fuckloads easier than switching, and it isn't that offensive.

AD is an horrendous piece of shit (like much other M$)

sharepoint... yeah, not since they invented this thing called the internet...

[Akzle]

What keeps you on Windows at all? From this you sound like a candidate for Linux or even a Chromebook.

google=jews.
linux=not jews.

you decide.

[TheDemonLord]

openoffice> apache office> ms office >

exchange, i'll givem, not that there aren't alternatives. stacks and stacks of free alternatives. but for an existing deployment is fuckloads easier than switching, and it isn't that offensive.

AD is an horrendous piece of shit (like much other M$)

sharepoint... yeah, not since they invented this thing called the internet...

Okay - this is where you are wrong.

Sure, I give you for everything MS offers there is an open source alternative - but Do the open source alternatives work natively together?

most of the time, the answer is No, when they can be made to work together they generally need some custom hack to work. This is where MS really have an advantage - all of the MS products talk to each other with little to no additional work, and certainly not with bodge job custom solutions.

Next is support - if one of our MS servers/platforms starts doing weird shit (that we can't figure out) we can pick up the phone and call through the the corporate MS helpdesk (who are actually quite helpful) as opposed to having to sift through various open source support resources online

Finally - dealing with users who are bad at change, have always used MS products and think that Linux (if they have heard of the time) is some form of city in Scandanavia

[Gremlin]

most of the time, the answer is No, when they can be made to work together they generally need some custom hack to work. This is where MS really have an advantage - all of the MS products talk to each other with little to no additional work, and certainly not with bodge job custom solutions.

Next is support - if one of our MS servers/platforms starts doing weird shit (that we can't figure out) we can pick up the phone and call through the the corporate MS helpdesk (who are actually quite helpful) as opposed to having to sift through various open source support resources online
Actually, try importing Outlook data from Office Mac to Office PC... I can't believe they're made by the same companies :wacko: Exchange 2013 won't support anything less than Office 07...

Only time I ever call Microsoft is because their own licencing isn't working. They manage to fix it... hmm, 50% of the time at best (possibly because I call after I've failed).

[Akzle]

yeah. .docx in office 2k?
How about some backwards compatibility eh?

First, if an open sauce deployment is done correctly, it all works.
Which eliminates the need for second, support. Which is freely available 24/7 from the people who actually code the shit, not some desk jockey in india who basically reads the m$ website out to you.

Third, fuck end users. (only sysadmins matter) If theyre retarded enough to sit in front of a pc all day, they, as monkeys, can be trained to do what the fuck theyre told with what theyre given.

Fact-no computer doing important shit runs windows.

Theyre all *nix.

[TheDemonLord]

First, if an open sauce deployment is done correctly, it all works.

And that is the biggest IF I ever read.

Don't get me wrong - I like Linux - but there are things that just work in M$ land, that don't just work in Linux Land.

As for end users - Squeeky wheel, and unlike BOFH, I'm not allowed to prune the squeeky ones.

[TheDemonLord]

Actually, try importing Outlook data from Office Mac to Office PC... I can't believe they're made by the same companies :wacko: Exchange 2013 won't support anything less than Office 07...

Done that - bad times.

As for Exch not supporting lower than 07 - RPC over HTTPS I think was only supported in Office 2007 onwards, so it kinda makes sense.

and considering anything older than 2007 is 8+ years old (like XP) I don't mind the lack of backwards compatability there.

Believe me - I have many instances of M$ making me want to punch cute kittens, but I know that Open Source isn't much better

[Gremlin]

Done that - bad times.

As for Exch not supporting lower than 07 - RPC over HTTPS I think was only supported in Office 2007 onwards, so it kinda makes sense.

and considering anything older than 2007 is 8+ years old (like XP) I don't mind the lack of backwards compatability there.

Believe me - I have many instances of M$ making me want to punch cute kittens, but I know that Open Source isn't much better
Our environment is almost exclusively MS based... not sure what Akzle defines as important, but I classify a datacentre as pretty important for example.

Problem is, MS is cycling software every 3 years, it's too fucken fast for businesses where x talks to y, which talks to z and changing one to w means they won't talk to each other. First project for me this year is to work on a Exchange 2013 cluster for hosting clients... anyone with 03 gets ruled out... bit harder selling the product when they also have to upgrade software which did everything they needed...

[TheDemonLord]

Our environment is almost exclusively MS based... not sure what Akzle defines as important, but I classify a datacentre as pretty important for example.

Problem is, MS is cycling software every 3 years, it's too fucken fast for businesses where x talks to y, which talks to z and changing one to w means they won't talk to each other. First project for me this year is to work on a Exchange 2013 cluster for hosting clients... anyone with 03 gets ruled out... bit harder selling the product when they also have to upgrade software which did everything they needed...

Your pain buddy,

I knows and feels it.

I am doing both our old WSS3, SP 2010 moving them all to SP 2013 (there isn't a direct upgrade path from WSS3 to SP 2013) and moving all of our CRM 2011 instances to CRM 2013

Akzle is referring to Web servers - and I hate to agree with him, but my access to Pr0n is pretty important too.

[Akzle]

not sure what Akzle defines as important, but I classify a datacentre as pretty important.

no. Porn .

[Akzle]

Akzle is referring to Web servers - and I hate to agree with him, but my access to Pr0n is pretty important too.

actually, things like the LHaC.
Things that need to be incredibly fast. Incredibly stable. Or 100% uptime.
Things where 'unhandled exception 0exffffuuuuck011' will cause loss of life, or black holes.

[Gremlin]

I am doing both our old WSS3, SP 2010 moving them all to SP 2013 (there isn't a direct upgrade path from WSS3 to SP 2013) and moving all of our CRM 2011 instances to CRM 2013
I have a client with SBS2003 and CRM3... tied to each other... we're in the process of scoping a replacement CRM, then we can look at updating the SBS (for which there is no path unless we want a 2-3 step)....

[Akzle]

I have a client with SBS2003 and CRM3... tied to each other... we're in the process of scoping a replacement CRM, then we can look at updating the SBS (for which there is no path unless we want a 2-3 step)....
...
su rm -R /

[Scuba_Steve]

Okay - this is where you are wrong.

Sure, I give you for everything MS offers there is an open source alternative - but Do the open source alternatives work natively together?

most of the time, the answer is No, when they can be made to work together they generally need some custom hack to work. This is where MS really have an advantage - all of the MS products talk to each other with little to no additional work, and certainly not with bodge job custom solutions.

Next is support - if one of our MS servers/platforms starts doing weird shit (that we can't figure out) we can pick up the phone and call through the the corporate MS helpdesk (who are actually quite helpful) as opposed to having to sift through various open source support resources online

Finally - dealing with users who are bad at change, have always used MS products and think that Linux (if they have heard of the time) is some form of city in Scandanavia

You sure you're not thinking of Apple there??? "everything working" sounds more Apple than MS

[bogan]

You sure you're not thinking of Apple there??? "everything working" sounds more Apple than MS

Nah, that is 'everything we deem necessary for you plebs to have' is working.

Anyway, who gives a shit about OSs pricing plans? What's this about the hologram glasses?

[TheDemonLord]

You sure you're not thinking of Apple there??? "everything working" sounds more Apple than MS

Have you ever tried to do anything more than email, browse web pages, Photoshop and Protools on a Mac?

Its like tenderizing your scrotom with a jackhammer.

Its even worse if you have to deal with Mac users while you are trying to do it.

[Gremlin]

Nah, that is 'everything we deem necessary for you plebs to have' is working.
Depending what level of IT it is... it could be as simple as... it's on. :msn-wink:

[Scuba_Steve]

Nah, that is 'everything we deem necessary for you plebs to have' is working.

Anyway, who gives a shit about OSs pricing plans? What's this about the hologram glasses?

You're thinking of iOS, OS X is less restrictive than Windows... unless you're talking noob level self install packages, in which case that's fault of the Devs not Apple

Also why talk about hologram glasses? another accessory no-one's gonna buy



Have you ever tried to do anything more than email, browse web pages, Photoshop and Protools on a Mac?

Its like tenderizing your scrotom with a jackhammer.

Its even worse if you have to deal with Mac users while you are trying to do it.

Yes I use 2 on a daily basis & now you seem to be thinking of Windows... You sure you know which is which???

[bogan]

You're thinking of iOS, OS X is less restrictive than Windows... unless you're talking noob level self install packages, in which case that's fault of the Devs not Apple

Also why talk about hologram glasses? another accessory no-one's gonna buy

Can I install solidworks on it? how about steam and all its games?

[Akzle]

Can I install solidworks on it? how about steam and all its games?

faggot. Dedicated box.

http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/

[bogan]

faggot. Dedicated box.

http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/

Does that run solidworks?

[Scuba_Steve]

Can I install solidworks on it? how about steam and all its games?

not really, yes, & some... So you were talking dev & noob level self install package limitations rather than OS limitations, as expected

[bogan]

not really, yes, & some... So you were talking dev & noob level self install package limitations rather than OS limitations, as expected

As a consumer, who gives a shit whether it is dev or OS's fault, I'll go with the OS that does the shit I need it to. Not whatever you wannabe hipster fuckwits tells me is 'better'. You don't know me, you don't know my needs, man.

[Scuba_Steve]

As a consumer, who gives a shit whether it is dev or OS's fault, I'll go with the OS that does the shit I need it to. Not whatever you wannabe hipster fuckwits tells me is 'better'. You don't know me, you don't know my needs, man.

Maybee you need reminding of your original comment

Nah, that is 'everything we deem necessary for you plebs to have' is working.
Apple didn't stop it being on OS X, they didn't restrict it; sure OS X may not do what you want/need it to but that's a different issue fact remains the OS itself is less restrictive. I have more control over my OS X than I have with my Win7

[bogan]

Maybee you need reminding of your original comment

Apple didn't stop it being on OS X, they didn't restrict it; sure OS X may not do what you want/need it to but that's a different issue fact remains the OS itself is less restrictive. I have more control over my OS X than I have with my Win7

You reckon? why is it anything good (adobe CS and CC, iTunes) from apple works on PC then? OS X restricts my choice of software more than Win7 does.

[Akzle]

I have more control over my OS X than I have with my Win7

interesting comment. Never sucked enough dick to mac.
Never found it easy to change settings etc.
Bring back appledos.
And fuck proprietary hardware restriction shit. And fuck non-usb.

[Gremlin]

You reckon? why is it anything good (adobe CS and CC, iTunes) from apple works on PC then?
I don't understand? :blink::weird:

[Akzle]

Does that run solidworks?

faggot. Dedicated box.

http://insight.actapricot.org/insight/products/desktops/xenpc/graphics/xen256.gif

[bogan]

I don't understand? :blink::weird:

M9, don't be a shitty, iTunes plays the music like nobody's businesses.

[Scuba_Steve]

You reckon? why is it anything good (adobe CS and CC, iTunes) from apple works on PC then? OS X restricts my choice of software more than Win7 does.

What does Windows do without 3rd party or additional software?
Your still just claim dev restrictions NOT OS restrictions.
OS restrictions is like iPad where the stuff you put on can only come from the App Store & you have no control past what they give you; Dev restrictions is like the Windows phone, MS isn't stopping apps from being on it just no-one makes stuff for it

Hell you're a PC gamer your argument is like calling the PC more restrictive than consoles cause you can't play The Last Of Us or Mario Kart :wacko:

[bogan]

What does Windows do without 3rd party or additional software?
Your still just claim dev restrictions NOT OS restrictions.
OS restrictions is like iPad where the stuff you put on can only come from the App Store & you have no control past what they give you; Dev restrictions is like the Windows phone, MS isn't stopping apps from being on it just no-one makes stuff for it

Hell you're a PC gamer your argument is like calling the PC more restrictive than consoles cause you can't play The Last Of Us or Mario Kart :wacko:

Who gives a shit, it has those and I'm happy.
It is not dev restrictions, it is lack of dev incentives, provided by the OS and partners...

Wrong, I just outlined how you can use the good software from apple. My argument is like claiming that a windows phone is more restrictive than a windows PC cos you can't play FC4 on the phone, but the PC can do everything the phone can...

[Scuba_Steve]

Who gives a shit, it has those and I'm happy.
It is not dev restrictions, it is lack of dev incentives, provided by the OS and partners...

Wrong, I just outlined how you can use the good software from apple. My argument is like claiming that a windows phone is more restrictive than a windows PC cos you can't play FC4 on the phone, but the PC can do everything the phone can...

ok bogan if that makes you feel better you have your distorted view of where the restrictions stem from

I personally still haven't found a PC capable of playing FC4 that I can put in my pocket but I haven't really looked either

[bogan]

ok bogan if that makes you feel better you have your distorted view of where the restrictions stem from

I personally still haven't found a PC capable of playing FC4 that I can put in my pocket but I haven't really looked either

Simple venn diagram logic.

You'd have to look pretty hard too, cos it would be heaps smaller than the tank I use to play it.

[Scuba_Steve]

So then what's so special about this hologram glasses? Seems like an overpriced accessory only the hardcore will get with limited use which will eventually go the way of Google Glass & the Power Glove

[bogan]

Seems like an overpriced accessory

This from an apple fanboi? :killingme

I saw the motorbike moddy thing in their vid; I'll buy one if that eventuates, would be fucking useful too.

[Scuba_Steve]

This from an apple fanboi? :killingme

I saw the motorbike moddy thing in their vid; I'll buy one if that eventuates, would be fucking useful too.

Apple fanboy? where you get that from??? I use Apple & I like it, but I also use Ubuntu, Android, & Win7. I have 6 PC's, 2 Macs a Samsung Galaxy & the wife has an iPad.
But hey if it helps you to think me a fanboi then have at it

[TheDemonLord]

Apple:

Artificially restrict the hardware it will run on
Double the price:
http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/1170.jpg
Have a proprietry OS that doesn't easily run on other devices that is really just a jazzed up version of Linux (without the good parts of Linux)
Force consumers to use their software to interface with their devices (I had an Ipod - loved it, Hated iTunes, also hated the fact that unlike every other MP3 player, I couldn't natively add music or other files to it)
Apple Fanboys (seriously, they are the worst)
No right click button without using a third party mouse (I live for the right click)
a focus on aesthetic design as opposed to functionality
OSX upgrades that can be described like this
http://www.funnypictures.net.au/images/pc-vs-mac-upgrade-cartoon-hi-im-a-pc-and-im-a-mac-.jpg
This:
https://wdueck.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/20021126.jpg
No Games (well, no games anyone wants to play)
Can't do all the things I like doing on my PC without effing around with WINE or similar (not that WINE is hard to use, but I am lazy)
Did I mention Apple Fanboys?
Having proprietry connectors for EVERY FUCKING THING (seriously, everyone else uses USB and it works and I don't have to pay out the arse for an apple branded cable that I can't use on anything else)
Apple Server edition (it exists, I used it, it was horrible)
And finally
Apple Fanboys

[Scuba_Steve]

Apple:
Artificially restrict the hardware it will run on
Double the price:

Yes & no, they're similar priced for similar pre-built products, in-fact I had a mate buy a macbook pro which he then proceeded to remove OS X & install Windows on because it was the best value for the specs...



Have a proprietry OS that doesn't easily run on other devices that is really just a jazzed up version of Linux (without the good parts of Linux)

It's based on BSD, it's jazzed up Unix & what would be the "good parts" of Linux it's missing?



No right click button without using a third party mouse (I live for the right click)


Yea sure... like a decade ago, catch up with the times grandpa.



a focus on aesthetic design as opposed to functionality


Last I checked (& I'm using one now) it has both.



No Games (well, no games anyone wants to play)


pfft yea, no-one likes Civ series, TF2, Half-Life, Fallout, CoD, Sims, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead, Portal



Did I mention Apple Fanboys?


Lest they're not Windows or XB fanboys right, those cunts are the worst! But yea any fanboys are bad.



Having proprietry connectors for EVERY FUCKING THING (seriously, everyone else uses USB and it works and I don't have to pay out the arse for an apple branded cable that I can't use on anything else)

Yea fuck USB3.0, HDMI, Thunderbolt & other "proprietary" connections made by other companies Apple just happen to put in their devices, fuck em all!

[R650R]

The thing about Apple products like ipad etc is that they always work. Microcrapware is always downloading updates and patches every five mins.
Eventually everything from a personal computing level will be app based via cloud servers and this is where apple has it sorted.

I used to be annoyed by all the pro apple coverage but eventually got an ipad as its value as a mobile electronic portfolio was priceless plus the ability to do other minor tasks.
Even my new truck has an ipad in it that does SFA except communicate what product has been loaded/unloaded. One single app that could prob be run off any competitor tablet but ipad has the reputation of always working.
One time my personal one did lock up/crash, but after googling it was like a 2 sec job to hard reset and reboot it with instant restart, not half an hour like windows shit as it reloads everything off the harddrive injto ram...

[Akzle]

The thing about Apple products like ipad etc is that they always work. Microcrapware is always downloading updates and patches every five mins.
Eventually everything from a personal computing level will be app based via cloud servers and this is where apple has it sorted.

I used to be annoyed by all the pro apple coverage but eventually got an ipad as its value as a mobile electronic portfolio was priceless plus the ability to do other minor tasks.
Even my new truck has an ipad in it that does SFA except communicate what product has been loaded/unloaded. One single app that could prob be run off any competitor tablet but ipad has the reputation of always working.
One time my personal one did lock up/crash, but after googling it was like a 2 sec job to hard reset and reboot it with instant restart, not half an hour like windows shit as it reloads everything off the harddrive injto ram...

see comic #3 post #50.
...yall hear now.

Women and ignorant cunts should be banned from computing.

Bring in licenses... Class 1, abacus.... Class 3, mobile ph. Class 5, a pc.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes & no, they're similar priced for similar pre-built products, in-fact I had a mate buy a macbook pro which he then proceeded to remove OS X & install Windows on because it was the best value for the specs...

No.

Bog standard macbook pro - $1,499

Specs:

2.6 GHz (i5-4278U) dual-core Intel Core i5 Haswell processor with 3 MB shared L3 cache
4 Gb 1600 mhz DDR3 RAM
500 Gb, 5400 RPM HDD

Compare

http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?e=2942533

Price: 1,300 - for a Better processor, More Ram, better HDD etc.

And OSX artificially limits the hardware it will install on - windows will install on pretty much anything.



It's based on BSD, it's jazzed up Unix & what would be the "good parts" of Linux it's missing?

The ability to install it on anything I like, apt-get, Grub, I could go on.


Yea sure... like a decade ago, catch up with the times grandpa.

http://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/field/image/2014/04/apple_magic_mouse.jpg?itok=nW-2souX

Nope - no right click button there - I understand the mouse has the ability to send a right click, but this needs to be enabled in the Mac OSX - compared to a proper mouse:

http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/c5a4c6/084a/13095-img4762s.jpg


Last I checked (& I'm using one now) it has both.

My opinion is that the Macbooks and especially the Macbook air is that they are flimsy - my current work laptop survived sliding down SHW1 with me, still works without issue


pfft yea, no-one likes Civ series, TF2, Half-Life, Fallout, CoD, Sims, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead, Portal

Woah, epic name drops - how many of those are less than 5 years old? None? The only reason they have been ported to a Mac is because they are popular, without popularity, they would not be ported to a Mac, therefore your retort is null and void


Lest they're not Windows or XB fanboys right, those cunts are the worst! But yea any fanboys are bad.

Windows has its problems and I can admit that, get a Mac Fanboy to admit the problems of Mac


Yea fuck USB3.0, HDMI, Thunderbolt & other "proprietary" connections made by other companies Apple just happen to put in their devices, fuck em all!

Iphone connector: http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/349427-ios-dock-connector.jpg?thumb=y
Everyone elses connector: http://www.rokutaneld.se/images/mikro_usb.jpg?osCsid=19204a9d3861b8c4cc996109f6888 264

Newer Iphone connector (also known as proping up Apple's retirement fund by making everyone buy new proprietry cables): http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/here-is-apples-new-lightning-dock-connector-and-the-ugly-adaptor-for-it/
Everyone elses connector: http://www.rokutaneld.se/images/mikro_usb.jpg?osCsid=19204a9d3861b8c4cc996109f6888 264

[scracha]

openoffice> apache office>
sharepoint... yeah, not since they invented this thing called the internet...

Actually, the version management features on Sharepoint are fantastic. Wish I had a copy in this office.

[Scuba_Steve]

No.

Bog standard macbook pro - $1,499

Specs:

2.6 GHz (i5-4278U) dual-core Intel Core i5 Haswell processor with 3 MB shared L3 cache
4 Gb 1600 mhz DDR3 RAM
500 Gb, 5400 RPM HDD

Compare

http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?e=2942533

Price: 1,300 - for a Better processor, More Ram, better HDD etc.


Cool...




And OSX artificially limits the hardware it will install on - windows will install on pretty much anything.


Really? A HW company limits the machines their SW (which they don't sell) will install on... Say it aint so
Next you'll be telling me GoPro limits the devices it's FW will install on too :rolleyes:




The ability to install it on anything I like, apt-get, Grub, I could go on.


No, really? OS X (a BSD derivative) doesn't run the Debian package manager :shit: who would have thought :rolleyes:
Also rEFInd will help with your GRUB worries




http://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/xlarge/public/field/image/2014/04/apple_magic_mouse.jpg?itok=nW-2souX

Nope - no right click button there - I understand the mouse has the ability to send a right click, but this needs to be enabled in the Mac OSX - compared to a proper mouse:


Yes 2 fingers "right clicks"... do you actually need it to 'click', are you THAT backwards you need a physical 'click' to be happy?
Also that 3rd party "proper mouse", that'd you'd have to buy separately to any computer, works with macs too




My opinion is that the Macbooks and especially the Macbook air is that they are flimsy - my current work laptop survived sliding down SHW1 with me, still works without issue


Better built than alot of systems, but still weaker than alot too... They're not designed for "ruggedness" but not sure what that has to do with Blue Cod prices lately




Woah, epic name drops - how many of those are less than 5 years old? None? The only reason they have been ported to a Mac is because they are popular, without popularity, they would not be ported to a Mac, therefore your retort is null and void

So you claim "no games" I list some games, you claim "doesn't count cause they're old" (Sims4, CoD whatever the latest is, Civ Beyond Earth aint old either just FYI)




Iphone connector: http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/349427-ios-dock-connector.jpg?thumb=y
Everyone elses connector: http://www.rokutaneld.se/images/mikro_usb.jpg?osCsid=19204a9d3861b8c4cc996109f6888 264
Newer Iphone connector (also known as proping up Apple's retirement fund by making everyone buy new proprietry cables): http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/09/here-is-apples-new-lightning-dock-connector-and-the-ugly-adaptor-for-it/
Everyone elses connector: http://www.rokutaneld.se/images/mikro_usb.jpg?osCsid=19204a9d3861b8c4cc996109f6888 264

Pretty sure we were talking computers & have already established the iOS line is "locked down" so yea... Don't disagree, just don't get the relevance

[Akzle]

http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT3917/HT3917-apple_magic_mouse--001-mul.jpg

Nope - no right click button there - I understand the mouse has the ability to send a right click, but this needs to be enabled in the Mac OSX - compared to a proper mouse:

http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/c5a4c6/084a/13095-img4762s.jpg



Iphone connector: http://www3.pcmag.com/media/images/349427-ios-dock-connector.jpg?thumb=y
Everyone elses connector: http://www.rokutaneld.se/images/mikro_usb.jpg?osCsid=19204a9d3861b8c4cc996109f6888 264

Newer Iphone connector (also known as proping up Apple's retirement fund by making everyone buy new proprietry cables): https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.sbnation.com%2Fentry_photo_im ages%2F5505111%2Fapple-lightning-stock-1024_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg&f=1
Everyone elses connector: http://www.rokutaneld.se/images/mikro_usb.jpg?osCsid=19204a9d3861b8c4cc996109f6888 264
is it quoted embeded media, if it wasn't originally said?
or, if m gobs off j in the woods, will akzle get infracted?

Actually, the version management features on Sharepoint are fantastic. Wish I had a copy in this office.

< openoffice

[wharekura]

... I wonder how MSDN is going to fit in with their strategy?
pretty well for us developers. They have a community edition of Visual Studio and as I am starting a small development house 1/4/15 - this is great - it saves me heaps. Also four around $500 per year can get all the server software.

[TheDemonLord]

Cool...

You (and your friend) are welcome)


Really? A HW company limits the machines their SW (which they don't sell) will install on... Say it aint so
Next you'll be telling me GoPro limits the devices it's FW will install on too :rolleyes:

I am not sure of your point here - My hardware will run Windows, various flavours of Linux etc. but won't run OSX - because OSX (made by Apple) is designed to only run on an artificially limited selection of hardware


No, really? OS X (a BSD derivative) doesn't run the Debian package manager :shit: who would have thought :rolleyes:
Also rEFInd will help with your GRUB worries

Again - FreeBSD has an equivalent to apt-get, I've used rEDInd - hated it, gone back to Grub for a multi-OS loader



Yes 2 fingers "right clicks"... do you actually need it to 'click', are you THAT backwards you need a physical 'click' to be happy?
Also that 3rd party "proper mouse", that'd you'd have to buy separately to any computer, works with macs too

A mouse that requires 2 fingers to click one button - now that is:

FUCKING.
RETARDED.

All of my buttons need 1 finger, because sometimes (especially gaming) I might need to click more than one button at a time.

and no - a 3rd party mouse doesn't just work with a Mac:

http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Logitech-G-Mice/MAC-SUPPORT-for-G500-G700-Smart-People-Only/td-p/525593


Better built than alot of systems, but still weaker than alot too... They're not designed for "ruggedness" but not sure what that has to do with Blue Cod prices lately

There are ruggedised laptops, there are normal laptops, then there are flimsy laptops - the Apple Macbook fits in the later catogary - my point is that Aesthetics was more of a priority than functionality


So you claim "no games" I list some games, you claim "doesn't count cause they're old" (Sims4, CoD whatever the latest is, Civ Beyond Earth aint old either just FYI)

the latest CoD (Advanced warfare) hasn't been ported to Mac OSX neither was CoD ghosts. so yes, if you want to play a few crappy Sim games, or games that are over 5 years old, then yes - you can 'game' on a Mac - if however you are like me and actually like playing games (so access to the entire steam library, niche games, indy games, latest releases) then you need a PC


Pretty sure we were talking computers & have already established the iOS line is "locked down" so yea... Don't disagree, just don't get the relevance

Its the same philosophy behind why new Mac Book air doesn't have a Network port - but you can buy a network port adapter for an extortionate price

[bogan]

There are ruggedised laptops, there are normal laptops, then there are flimsy laptops - the Apple Macbook fits in the later catogary - my point is that Aesthetics was more of a priority than functionality

Build quality question, Asus or Apple? I've found asus to be fucking mint for desktop components...

Apple seems to teir for what they decide should be the circumstances it is used in. Ie, it is flimsy but sexy and long life batt for the artist/office worker on the go. Macs don't have enough software for engineers to use em in the field so that cuts down on the used for ruggedised stuff (mind you 98% of ruggedisiation benefits are for numpties anyway).


and no - a 3rd party mouse doesn't just work with a Mac:

M95 support or gtfo.

[Scuba_Steve]

I am not sure of your point here - My hardware will run Windows, various flavours of Linux etc. but won't run OSX - because OSX (made by Apple) is designed to only run on an artificially limited selection of hardware


Cool story bro... again Apple is a HW company, so they have a vested interest in making their SW only work with their HW which again is where they make their $$$



Again - FreeBSD has an equivalent to apt-get, I've used rEDInd - hated it, gone back to Grub for a multi-OS loader


And I can use an equivalent to "app-get" on my mac; admittedly I have only ever used this function once a few years back because I have a GUI that works, but nonetheless the option's there



All of my buttons need 1 finger, because sometimes (especially gaming) I might need to click more than one button at a time.


Hey true story here, computers are actually used for things other than gaming too
Also the macs mouse does gestures out the box, not just left & right click; much more functional



and no - a 3rd party mouse doesn't just work with a Mac:


Well if you weren't a ranting fanboy you may have seen the mouse did work, just not all the specialised buttons
You would have also seen it doesn't "just work with Windows" either, it needs to have the software installed the only difference was Logitech supplied Windows drivers they did not supply OS X ones. Guess to your logic that mouse doesn't work with Linux either



Its the same philosophy behind why new Mac Book air doesn't have a Network port - but you can buy a network port adapter for an extortionate price

I'm with you there. Those 5$ adaptors we got for the work Macbook Airs were well extortionate... Oh but you were probably talking official Apple branded gear since that's the "only stuff that works" given it's a "proprietary connector" any company can add to their laptops like the Acer's & HP's we also have at work, that require the exact same adaptor... Yea, Fuck Apple for forcing Acer & HP users to use their "proprietary" adaptors

[Scuba_Steve]

M95 support or gtfo.

Yea, I've seen even the iPad/iPhone control the M95, course this was the cool one made by Barrett & not the overpriced piece of plastic made my Corsair but still

[bogan]

Yea, I've seen even the iPad/iPhone control the M95, course this was the cool one made by Barrett & not the overpriced piece of plastic made my Corsair but still

It's pretty well priced for its form/function tbh. And it has an aluminium base, it is not just plastic. Hardware macros too.

How much per button is an apple mouse? M95 is about 6 bucks... So I got two :)

You're not doing much to shrug off the fanboi title...

[Scuba_Steve]

It's pretty well priced for its form/function tbh. And it has an aluminium base, it is not just plastic. Hardware macros too.

How much per button is an apple mouse? M95 is about 6 bucks... So I got two :)

You're not doing much to shrug off the fanboi title...

I don't know what that had to do with Apple aside from the iPad/iPhone; I mentioned Barrett, the weapons manufacture as they make a M95 also, twas a "joke" comment not a serious one don't get so upset about it
Yes the Corsair M95 might be decently priced for it's position in the market but doesn't change the fact they're all overpriced pieces of plastic & yes I too have brought +100$ gaming mice a couple of them even

[bogan]

I don't know what that had to do with Apple aside from the iPad/iPhone; I mentioned Barrett, the weapons manufacture as they make a M95 also, twas a "joke" comment not a serious one don't get so upset about it
Yes the Corsair M95 might be decently priced for it's position in the market but doesn't change the fact they're all overpriced pieces of plastic & yes I too have brought +100$ gaming mice a couple of them even

Actually that is exactly what fact it changes if they are decently priced :scratch:

The upset never started, the joke however continues with me asking how much per button the apple mice are (cos they often only have one button you see :laugh:).

An like I said, you pay for more than just the plastic bit.

[TheDemonLord]

Cool story bro... again Apple is a HW company, so they have a vested interest in making their SW only work with their HW which again is where they make their $$$

So you concede the point I made - Apple are dicks for artificially trying to increase their profit margin by reducing my freedom as a consumer.


And I can use an equivalent to "app-get" on my mac; admittedly I have only ever used this function once a few years back because I have a GUI that works, but nonetheless the option's there

Since you are going to hold to your Mac love - Linux beats OSX on price. (and don't try and raise RedHat or other enterprise variants that aren't free to try and rebute)


Hey true story here, computers are actually used for things other than gaming too
Also the macs mouse does gestures out the box, not just left & right click; much more functional

A PC can do all the thing a Mac does, a Mac cannot do all the things a PC can do therefore a Mac is inferior to a PC.
And gestures are gay, so very very gay.


Well if you weren't a ranting fanboy you may have seen the mouse did work, just not all the specialised buttons
You would have also seen it doesn't "just work with Windows" either, it needs to have the software installed the only difference was Logitech supplied Windows drivers they did not supply OS X ones. Guess to your logic that mouse doesn't work with Linux either

I admit I am a Logitech Fanboy, but not a windows one - I hate windows, but I hate Macs oh so much more. but I can assure you, without installing the Logitech software suite, the specialized buttons just works with windows (because of how Windows can query the internet for a base driver for a device/install a driver from the device itself) If however I want to remap a button to function or a Macro - at that point I do need to install the Logitech suite


I'm with you there. Those 5$ adaptors we got for the work Macbook Airs were well extortionate... Oh but you were probably talking official Apple branded gear since that's the "only stuff that works" given it's a "proprietary connector" any company can add to their laptops like the Acer's & HP's we also have at work, that require the exact same adaptor... Yea, Fuck Apple for forcing Acer & HP users to use their "proprietary" adaptors

There are certain things I expect to be on a flagship product - a network port is one of them - so it doesn't matter if it was a $5 adapater or a $50 apple branded one - it is still something that should be included that isn't.

[Akzle]

A PC can do all the thing a Mac does, a Mac cannot do all the things a PC can do therefore a Mac is inferior to a PC.
And gestures are gay, so very very gay.


not quite.

mac(/osx) can rape the fuck out of hardware - ie use it five times better than any other OS i've seen, streaming, encoding, throughput, cache, memory, threads, polls, stacks, whatever. somehow *somehow* mac does it better. even on *comparable* hardware. fedora may *may* be a close second, provided your ducks are in a row.

windows is a memory whore. debian is slick once configured properly. ubuntu or any other derivative is poo. and jesus fucking fuck don't even start me on GDE3.


and mouse gestures win like a mother fucker.

two button mouses, that is.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you concede the point I made - Apple are dicks for artificially trying to increase their profit margin by reducing my freedom as a consumer.


http://newzealandmafia.com/files/hE6752DAD.jpeg



Since you are going to hold to your Mac love - Linux beats OSX on price. (and don't try and raise RedHat or other enterprise variants that aren't free to try and rebute)


You mean to say Linux is better priced than free???
I believe you'll find OS X & most consumer Linux's are exactly the same price



A PC can do all the thing a Mac does, a Mac cannot do all the things a PC can do therefore a Mac is inferior to a PC.
And gestures are gay, so very very gay.


So your PC can run OS X? my Mac can run OS X, Windows & Linux

... I believe they call that a "BURN!!!"



I admit I am a Logitech Fanboy, but not a windows one - I hate windows, but I hate Macs oh so much more. but I can assure you, without installing the Logitech software suite, the specialized buttons just works with windows (because of how Windows can query the internet for a base driver for a device/install a driver from the device itself) If however I want to remap a button to function or a Macro - at that point I do need to install the Logitech suite


So you still need a driver... it doesn't work natively... & I would not be at all surprised if the driver Windows searches out for you is the same one that comes supplied. You're just reaffirming what I said in a different way



There are certain things I expect to be on a flagship product - a network port is one of them - so it doesn't matter if it was a $5 adapater or a $50 apple branded one - it is still something that should be included that isn't.

Cool story bro... doesn't change the fact they're slowly phasing out across all manufacturers, just like DVD/CD's, RS232 & VGA ports

[TheDemonLord]

a Lol cat

Ad Hominems, I believe that is an automatic win for me - but to retort, I don't have the same restrictions forced upon me by any other OS


You mean to say Linux is better priced than free???
I believe you'll find OS X & most consumer Linux's are exactly the same price

http://store.apple.com/nz/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

$25 isn't free - Ubuntu, Debian etc. are all free. you CAN pay for a copy of the install media (ie paying for the cost of a DVD) but that isn't the same as paying for the OS


So your PC can run OS X? my Mac can run OS X, Windows & Linux

... I believe they call that a "BURN!!!"

No, All the functionality I could achieve with OSX, my PC is able to provide (either running Windows or Linux) but there is functionality that Mac OSX cannot provide.

And beside - I can always run OSX on a virtual Machine (but I am not a masochist)

I believe that is called a Counter BURN!


So you still need a driver... it doesn't work natively... & I would not be at all surprised if the driver Windows searches out for you is the same one that comes supplied. You're just reaffirming what I said in a different way

If we are going to split hairs, then yes every peice of hardware requires a driver, however Windows natively will talk to just about any peice of hardware using either a generic driver, the driver supplied by the device itself or by silently downloading the driver - this is called plug and play. At no point do I need to manually find, download and install a driver. and whilst you may be correct that the process still happens, because I am not having to do it, PC > Mac


Cool story bro... doesn't change the fact they're slowly phasing out across all manufacturers, just like DVD/CD's, RS232 & VGA ports

All of those are legacy devices that have been superseded - there is a difference between replacing the 10/100 Ethernet port with a 10/100/1000 or replacing a DVD drive with a BluRay player and just leaving it out altogether.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ad Hominems, I believe that is an automatic win for me - but to retort, I don't have the same restrictions forced upon me by any other OS


Apple sell hardware, they happen to have software on it to make it work... Why da fuck would you expect them to make their software available for other hardware when hardware is what they sell; That's just fucking retarded
Next you'll be bitching cause the Ducati parts don't fit your Suzuki or the Dell support line won't help you solve a problem on your Asus



http://store.apple.com/nz/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

$25 isn't free - Ubuntu, Debian etc. are all free. you CAN pay for a copy of the install media (ie paying for the cost of a DVD) but that isn't the same as paying for the OS


Shit they still sell that?... Way to pick out a 4 generation old OS tho. Maybee next you can find a copy of OS9 when the cost was in the hundreds
OS X 10.9 Mavericks = Free
OS X 10.10 Yosemite = Free



No, All the functionality I could achieve with OSX, my PC is able to provide (either running Windows or Linux) but there is functionality that Mac OSX cannot provide.

And beside - I can always run OSX on a virtual Machine (but I am not a masochist)

I believe that is called a Counter BURN!


You said PC vs Mac NOT OS X vs Windows so no, not "counter BURN!"
Not "all the functionally" can be achieved with Windows, alot of the same things can be done but this doesn't mean "all functionality" is there



If we are going to split hairs, then yes every peice of hardware requires a driver, however Windows natively will talk to just about any peice of hardware using either a generic driver, the driver supplied by the device itself or by silently downloading the driver - this is called plug and play. At no point do I need to manually find, download and install a driver. and whilst you may be correct that the process still happens, because I am not having to do it, PC > Mac


WOW you brought into the Win98 propaganda... I've done IT for awhile & like fuck Windows is "plug in & play", it's got much better with Win7 onwards but it's still severely lacking



All of those are legacy devices that have been superseded - there is a difference between replacing the 10/100 Ethernet port with a 10/100/1000 or replacing a DVD drive with a BluRay player and just leaving it out altogether.

And the manufactures ALL manufactures are leaving it out all together on an increasing number of models...

[bogan]

Apple sell hardware, they happen to have software on it to make it work... Why da fuck would you expect them to make their software available for other hardware when hardware is what they sell; That's just fucking retarded
Next you'll be bitching cause the Ducati parts don't fit your Suzuki or the Dell support line won't help you solve a problem on your Asus

He is just pointing out apple is restrictive, as I did earlier. Mac hardware is more expensive, osx is more difficult to run on non-mac hardware... you see where we are going with this?

[Scuba_Steve]

He is just pointing out apple is restrictive, as I did earlier. Mac hardware is more expensive, osx is more difficult to run on non-mac hardware... you see where we are going with this?

OK so if were to go back a few pages & sum up then we have -
OS X is more restrictive in the devices it'll install on
OS X is less restrictive to use as an OS
OS X is more restricted in software choices like games

or if you prefer

Windows is less restrictive in the devices it'll install on
Windows is more restrictive as an OS
Windows is less restricted by software choices like games

unless we're talking the mobile versions then they're both restrictive with devices, both restrictive as an OS, but iOS is less restricted by software choices like games

...everyone happy now?

[bogan]

OK so if were to go back a few pages & sum up then we have -
OS X is more restrictive in the devices it'll install on
OS X is less restrictive to use as an OS
OS X is more restricted in software choices like games

or if you prefer

Windows is less restrictive in the devices it'll install on
Windows is more restrictive as an OS
Windows is less restricted by software choices like games

unless we're talking the mobile versions then they're both restrictive with devices, both restrictive as an OS, but iOS is less restricted by software choices like games

...everyone happy now?

So if OS Xis more restrictive in hardware and software, what is left for the windows to greaterly restrict 'as an os'? UAC?

[Scuba_Steve]

So if OS Xis more restrictive in hardware and software, what is left for the windows to greaterly restrict 'as an os'? UAC?

The control you have over the OS
Take bikes just cause you can get a Harley almost anywhere [Well call this HW] & get almost anything for them [SW] still doesn't make them handle well [OS restrictions]

Now yes this is alittle loose in comparison but it's not an easy thing to explain, more something you have to experience; End of day I have greater control over OS X than I do with Win7, I can make the OS do more, I have greater control over where things are, how they work & what they use (admittedly Linux has much this control also)

[bogan]

The control you have over the OS
Take bikes just cause you can get a Harley almost anywhere [Well call this HW] & get almost anything for them [SW] still doesn't make them handle well [OS restrictions]

Now yes this is alittle loose in comparison but it's not an easy thing to explain, more something you have to experience; End of day I have greater control over OS X than I do with Win7, I can make the OS do more, I have greater control over where things are, how they work & what they use (admittedly Linux has much this control also)

Do more? what more? The OS is a foundation, you build on top of it with the applications you want, the foundation itself does fuck all except facilitate the rest of the structure; what 'more' could I want?

[Scuba_Steve]

Do more? what more? The OS is a foundation, you build on top of it with the applications you want, the foundation itself does fuck all except facilitate the rest of the structure; what 'more' could I want?

OS is much more than a "foundation", Firmware would be better equated to a "foundation" than an Operating System is
as a basic example, I can put pretty much anything anywhere I want. This could cause more problems than it's worth but I have the flexibility to do that if I wish

Anyways you're a PC gamer so you have no interest in OS X, so I'm not trying to convince you to switch.
For me I use computers for things other than games & I have been using OS X since Panther (10.3) & Windows since 3.11. In that time there has been plenty of moments where I've thought "I'd rather be doing this on a mac" or "this would be so much simpler on a mac" not once have I thought "I wish I was doing this on Windows" or "man I miss Windows"

[bogan]

OS is much more than a "foundation", Firmware would be better equated to a "foundation" than an Operating System is
as a basic example, I can put pretty much anything anywhere I want. This could cause more problems than it's worth but I have the flexibility to do that if I wish

So you can move things about and put them in place? Sounds exactly like a foundation. I can put pretty much anything I want anywhere I want on windows too. Still not seeing your mighty osx advantage there.

[Akzle]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

[Scuba_Steve]

http://www.dailyfunnystuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Linux-Windows-Mac.jpg

[Akzle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c
. .

[Scuba_Steve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0

[Akzle]

http://www.27bslash6.com/jason.html