MAG NZ Taking Action

[Fatt Max]

The New Motorcycle Action Group NZ (MAG) are back at it organising protest park ups all over Auckland. Im not personally involved this time round however I am concerned that they are relying on Facebook only as a means to get numbers along to these events.
I did suggest they 'cast the net wider' but that was met with a bit of resistance, not for me to judge, just trying to spread the word.
So, at risk of me being 'blocked', 'unfriended' or any of that other Facebook juvenile bollocks, here is the details of the next event in case you didnt know and want to support these guys:

MAG Park Up, Devonport - 1st February 2015

Happy New year all, we are starting the year with a park up in Devonport, come and join us in the fight to stop unfair ACC levy fees and discrimination towards motorcyclists. The park ups are a peaceful protest and are for letting the public know (leaflets provided with info) we are not happy the way motorcyclist are being treated.

We will park one bike per parking space. We like to keep everything legal in our protest so please make sure your motorcycles are all up to date with there REGOs, WOFs and you have the right licence for the bike you are riding, you may have to pay for a parking ticket too (some areas are free for 60 minutes, some are pay and display).

Hope to see you all there.

We shall meet at 07.45am at 148 Lake Road Takapuna (Jolly Punter Sports Bar) to leave all together at 8am

Please if you want to know more about MAG NZ go to our website MAGNZ.org

Enjoy.....

[mossy1200]

Wouldn't the average punter rather have a car park than a leaflet, assuming they can get a park close enough to get a leaflet.
Could be easier to feel the love if you wore lycra.

One day someone will start a collection to start an advert on the smelly vision. Nah. Wont happen.

[Madness]

What a bunch of cunts.

[AllanB]

No one will give a shit. Move along it is not 1975 any more and a motorcycle is a luxury plaything and charged accordingly. It's like a boat - see how much those things cost to buy and run.

I love my plaything.

Plus stop falling off the fucking things and the ACC will lower. Jesus the $ I've spent on ACC and not retrieved one cent. Must fall off more often.

[MadDuck]

Facebook juvenile bollocks, here is the details of the next event in case you didnt know and want to support these guys:



What a bunch of cunts.

Lol. Thank you Mark for sharing this. We have a website and we have a plan but we have limited resources. Feel free to join us .... or not. :laugh:

[Akzle]

this crap again??

Aucklanders inconviniencing aucklanders.

NO ONE GIVES A FUCK.

[Maha]

No one will give a shit. Move along it is not 1975 any more and a motorcycle is a luxury plaything and charged accordingly. It's like a boat - see how much those things cost to buy and run.

I love my plaything.

Plus stop falling off the fucking things and the ACC will lower. Jesus the $ I've spent on ACC and not retrieved one cent. Must fall off more often.

15 minute park up in a Pub car park and gone by 8am on a Sunday morning?.... amusing.


'We shall meet at 07.45am at 148 Lake Road Takapuna (Jolly Punter Sports Bar) to leave all together at 8am'

[nzspokes]

15 minute park up in a Pub car park and gone by 8am on a Sunday morning?.... amusing.


'We shall meet at 07.45am at 148 Lake Road Takapuna (Jolly Punter Sports Bar) to leave all together at 8am'

At least wait until the pub is open and have a round.

[Murray]

15 minute park up in a Pub car park and gone by 8am on a Sunday morning?.... amusing.


'We shall meet at 07.45am at 148 Lake Road Takapuna (Jolly Punter Sports Bar) to leave all together at 8am'

Read it properly. Meeting at takapuna for ride to devonport. Amusing you have read it so wrong

[Mike.Gayner]

Fuck these guys are a bunch of wankers.

Also I'd like to know how they consider the ACC levy "unfair". I hate paying it as much as the next guy, but motorcyclists are statistically extremely expensive. Wouldn't it be more unfair for people who don't ride to subsidise our hobby?

[Voltaire]

Facebook needs another button.

http://daylol.com/nw/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/dont-care2.jpg

The should rename themselves Motorcycle Action Devonport or MAD as they are not representing anyone.

link to the last one they organised :lol:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/137013-Three-Strikes-Protest-Run-5-May

[Akzle]

The should rename themselves Motorcycle Action Devonport or MAD as they are not representing anyone.


whoever came up with Facebook Action Group had it about right. :niceone:

[Fatt Max]

"Lol. Thank you Mark for sharing this. We have a website"

Yes and it's cool but I've only ever seen it promoted on FB so in my book it's still a limited audience,. I'm not knocking MAG one bit, quite the opposite in fact and I really do hope the wider message gets out there. Music commitments will keep me away from both the Feb events but I look forward to joining MAG on a future ride.


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[Madness]

The should rename themselves Motorcycle Action Devonport or MAD as they are not representing anyone.

Actually, I'm picking these faggots represent that Murray cunt from Hamilton as well. DAMHIK.

[Akzle]

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sent from my wigwam via smoke signal. :doobey:

[Katman]

15 minute park up in a Pub car park and gone by 8am on a Sunday morning?.... amusing.


'We shall meet at 07.45am at 148 Lake Road Takapuna (Jolly Punter Sports Bar) to leave all together at 8am'

:facepalm:

Has Anne gone away for the weekend and left you to struggle on alone with the complexities of the English language?

[Fatt Max]

sent from my wigwam via smoke signal. :doobey:

I prefer tea......and how did you know my mangina is bleeding? i never posted that on Facebbok you cheeky wench you


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[Murray]

Actually, I'm picking these faggots represent that Murray cunt from Hamilton as well. DAMHIK.

Thank you for the red rep and abuse and I do not have a Hotel???. You really are an outstanding individual.

[Madness]

You really are an outstanding individual.

Cheers. You're a fuckwit.

[Murray]

Cheers. You're a fuckwit.

I rest my case!

[Madness]

I rest my case!

You don't have a case. Delusional fuckwit.

[Murray]

Thank you. Have a nice day.

[Tazz]

Fuck these guys are a bunch of wankers.

Also I'd like to know how they consider the ACC levy "unfair". I hate paying it as much as the next guy, but motorcyclists are statistically extremely expensive. Wouldn't it be more unfair for people who don't ride to subsidise our hobby?

Like vehicle users subsidise the weekend sports warriors?

[Mike.Gayner]

Like vehicle users subsidise the weekend sports warriors?

Kind of, but not really. The vehicle levy is separate from the earner's levy, which covers general (non-vehicle) injury. More like, the employed subsidise the unemployed, but that's part of living in the developed world.

[Fatt Max]

Are we not being a tad harsh here folks. After all their ultimate aim is to get a better deal for motorcyclists? Ok so one of their supporters told me that MAG is in better hands now the old management has gone ( which was a very adolescent attempt at a dig at me, grow up young lady) and like it or lump it they are in it for the long run. Maybe we should front up to one of their events and support them seeing as they are representing our community? Just a thought, we are all grown ups and can make up our own minds but unlike my knicker elastic do they deserve some slack?



Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Bender]

Yes it's a good way to get your point across by pissing off scores of people.

It's not the people who want a carpark in Devonport (or wherever) who are to blame, nor can they have any effect on the levys.
This is a poorly thought through, juvenile way of making a protest.

[Madness]

Are we not being a tad harsh here folks.

Far from it.


they are representing our community?

These dickheads represent nobody but themselves. Sadly though, the people of Devonport will probably tar us all with the selfish actions of these few.

[Mike.Gayner]

Are we not being a tad harsh here folks. After all their ultimate aim is to get a better deal for motorcyclists? Ok so one of their supporters told me that MAG is in better hands now the old management has gone ( which was a very adolescent attempt at a dig at me, grow up young lady) and like it or lump it they are in it for the long run. Maybe we should front up to one of their events and support them seeing as they are representing our community? Just a thought, we are all grown ups and can make up our own minds but unlike my knicker elastic do they deserve some slack?



Too Fat To Ride Slim

You are doing more harm than good. Firstly you start from a premise that the world is unfair against motorcyclists, which many people don't agree with. Would I like cheaper rego? Yes. Do I think I necessarily deserve it? Not really.

Secondly, these gay little protests do nothing but alienate the motorcycling community. You're making it more difficult for people like me (who just want to ride their bike) to make a compelling argument should we want to.

[Maha]

:facepalm:

Has Anne gone away for the weekend and left you to struggle on alone with the complexities of the English language?

To be fair to myself, I had only been awake 46 minutes :eek:
In saying that, I agree with the tone of this thread, can't awaken a dead horse no mater how hard one flogs it.

[WNJ]

You would be lucky to get a park in Devonport at that time of the day,

[caseye]

Same old, same old, knockers and self pitying low life's in ere I see.
All protest groups have to start somewhere, these guys and girls believe that what they are doing will make a difference, so they get out there and they do shit.
It might be shit to some, but who the fuck are you to tell them not to because it hurts your sensibilities.
Don't like what MAG is doing, fine, join up, get involved take them in the direction you want them to go, that is making a difference!
Trouble is the knockers and the nee Sayers are too wrapped up in the I and the need to keep a low profile in case they can't ride their precious bike on the weekend.
Good on you for trying FM, but as usual there are more scardey cats in these forums than people with the fortitude to go and get stuck in, present company excepted Maha, we're dun and while I might not be a flag waving Yellow eyed MAG rider I do still support the concept and the basic philosophy.
If you knockers really wanted to do something constructive, instead of calling people who are at least doing something, names, then go give it a go, like I said above, join, take it the way you want, see what happens.
If you can't offer constructive advise/criticism, then just move along and let these people who ride motorcycles get on with what they are doing and god knows one of these days you might find yourself parking your bike in a single car park, Heaven Forbid, it's too scary! It is however nothing less than it should be, we pay far more than any other road user, why should we have to cram into a space and watch some dick run into the first bike and take em all out????????
You could even find yourself explaining to car and other road users why motorcyclists are pissed off and why they want a fair go from govt.

[Madness]

You could even find yourself explaining to car and other road users why some motorcyclists are pissed off and why they want a fair go from govt.

As a motorcyclist I'm not that pissed about the way I'm being treated by government, in fact I'm quite neutral about it all (read; I don't give a fuck). I am pissed off that I seem to be repeatedly being represented as a motorcyclist by a narrow group of do-gooders that quite frankly achieve fuck all but pissing off the odd noddy who simply wants to park their car or 4WD which, if a diesel, costs as much in rego as a bike FFS.


we pay far more than any other road user..

Bullshit.
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/fees.html

[Mike.Gayner]

You could even find yourself explaining to car and other road users why motorcyclists are pissed off and why they want a fair go from govt.

What about those of us who don't believe we aren't getting a "fair go from govt"? How about saving up some goodwill for when we have a general grievance, instead of squandering the image of motorcycling on petty bullshit?

[Fatt Max]

Like I said I'm not involved with MAG this time around, just trying to give them a bit of publicity over and above the Church of Facebook. Like it or lump it I suppose



Too Fat To Ride Slim

[swbarnett]

Move along it is not 1975 any more and a motorcycle is a luxury plaything and charged accordingly.
Speak for yourself. My bike is my primary transport. The luxury is all the wimps in cars parked up waiting to use the Auckland motorway.

You're obviously one of the ignorant masses that's completely missed the point of ACC.

[nodrog]

fuck facebook, it just reinforces my belief that motorcycling has become a fashion accessory for fags.

[Fatt Max]

fuck facebook, it just reinforces my belief that motorcycling has become a fashion accessory for fags.

Said that to myself a few times after seeing some of the crap these Facebook bikers get into. Still, each to their own



Too Fat To Ride Slim

[nodrog]

Said that to myself a few times after seeing some of the crap these Facebook bikers get into. Still, each to their own



Too Fat To Ride Slim

https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5400003/il_570xN.272226909.jpg

[Voltaire]

Perhaps they could start by renaming themselves MAG Club, as they seem to have no names or profile yet wish to represent NZ.

Probably best they start with a meeting to actually get a profile.

But really is taking car spaces the best they can come up with?

http://www.mag-nz-org/

[Fatt Max]

That's more like it. I don't agree that motorcycling has turned into a fashion thing, just that some people with bikes spend more time updating statuses on Facebook on a ride than actually riding, and get all bent out of shape if no one 'likes' it. Hence my attempt to spread the word of MAG past that media and into a forum for bikers rather than fucking huggers


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[caseye]

OK Volty, I hear you, but I also hear ol FM here who was once involved with MAG, as I was, we both know how hard it is to get established and how so much time is wasted responding to frivolous stuff that "I don't want to get involved, butt!" types throw up at you.
Hence my request, constructive criticism, yeas, mouth exercising for the sake of hearing your own voice, Na!
Come on KB.
Prove we aren't all fuckwits who simply can't wait to put someone else down.
Ideas, thoughts, good or bad it's OK, but please try to put it in such a way that it doesn't leave us here fighting each other instead of the govt/acc.

[Fatt Max]

OK Volty, I hear you, but I also hear ol FM here who was once involved with MAG, as I was, we both know how hard it is to get established and how so much time is wasted responding to frivolous stuff that "I don't want to get involved, butt!" types throw up at you.
Hence my request, constructive criticism, yeas, mouth exercising for the sake of hearing your own voice, Na!
Come on KB.
Prove we aren't all fuckwits who simply can't wait to put someone else down.
Ideas, thoughts, good or bad it's OK, but please try to put it in such a way that it doesn't leave us here fighting each other instead of the govt/acc.

What he said.....


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Moi]

I am not against the idea of raising awareness of the differences in ACC charges across the various licences for motor vehicles, however I am not sure that what is being suggested is the most appropriate method.

If MAGs were protesting against some form of restriction on motorbike parking then putting one bike in each parking space could be an effective way to convey the message. But this message is about inequality, or possible perceived inequality, of a charge on the annual licence fee for motorbikes. I am not sure what would be a better method, but I do have reservations about what is being suggested as I think it may further distance motorists rather than encourage their support.

[Madness]

Ideas, thoughts, good or bad it's OK, but please try to put it in such a way that it doesn't leave us here fighting each other instead of the govt/acc.


What a bunch of cunts.

The general car-parking public of Devenport will probably put it exactly as I did so why try to sugar coat it?

I see you still haven't commented on the fact that large diesel passenger vehicles currently cost more to licence than a large capacity motorcycle. I suppose that kind of detracts from the "hero" nature of what MAG are trying to achieve, huh?

[nodrog]

I am not against the idea of raising awareness of the differences in ACC charges across the various licences for motor vehicles, however I am not sure that what is being suggested is the most appropriate method.

If MAGs were protesting against some form of restriction on motorbike parking then putting one bike in each parking space could be an effective way to convey the message. But this message is about inequality, or possible perceived inequality, of a charge on the annual licence fee for motorbikes. I am not sure what would be a better method, but I do have reservations about what is being suggested as I think it may further distance motorists rather than encourage their support.

we should have a ride to parliament

[bogan]

I'm kinda shitty my bike is now classified as learner safe (not my specific one, obviously), but also powerful enough to get charged the higher levy.


But then I kinda remember I don't bother paying it, and start thinking about buying a 750 with the savings.


Life is good :sunny:

[Voltaire]

OK Volty, I hear you, but I also hear ol FM here who was once involved with MAG, as I was, we both know how hard it is to get established and how so much time is wasted responding to frivolous stuff that "I don't want to get involved, butt!" types throw up at you.
Hence my request, constructive criticism, yeas, mouth exercising for the sake of hearing your own voice, Na!
Come on KB.
Prove we aren't all fuckwits who simply can't wait to put someone else down.
Ideas, thoughts, good or bad it's OK, but please try to put it in such a way that it doesn't leave us here fighting each other instead of the govt/acc.

I thought we had BRONZ?
how many organisations do motorcyclists need, I'm already a member of 2.
I do wonder why in such a small place you need to duplicate.
" bleedin' splitters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
Can't say bike rego features high on my list of worries these days, despite paying for 3 at full whack.

[Fatt Max]

I thought we had BRONZ?
how many organisations do motorcyclists need, I'm already a member of 2.
I do wonder why in such a small place you need to duplicate.
" bleedin' splitters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
Can't say bike rego features high on my list of worries these days, despite paying for 3 at full whack.

Excellent point mate, it really boils down to who is doing what I suppose. I may not agree with the MAG approach at the moment but it IS raising awareness to some degree so its better than nothing. My whole point is widening their support group.
From what I see, the Facebook page is all 'well done' and 'your great' and 'have a fucking hug' and all that. What I have read here is some real questions that they need to answer so that they can rally the support, but how do you rally it when everyone is blowing smoke up your arse...???
Thats why I wanted to throw the event on here hoping that it would throw some more support their way from a REAL biker website, and hoping that those that attended came back with some positive words on what they are doing.

[nzspokes]

Same old, same old, knockers and self pitying low life's in ere I see.
All protest groups have to start somewhere, these guys and girls believe that what they are doing will make a difference, so they get out there and they do shit.
It might be shit to some, but who the fuck are you to tell them not to because it hurts your sensibilities.
Don't like what MAG is doing, fine, join up, get involved take them in the direction you want them to go, that is making a difference!
Trouble is the knockers and the nee Sayers are too wrapped up in the I and the need to keep a low profile in case they can't ride their precious bike on the weekend.
Good on you for trying FM, but as usual there are more scardey cats in these forums than people with the fortitude to go and get stuck in, present company excepted Maha, we're dun and while I might not be a flag waving Yellow eyed MAG rider I do still support the concept and the basic philosophy.
If you knockers really wanted to do something constructive, instead of calling people who are at least doing something, names, then go give it a go, like I said above, join, take it the way you want, see what happens.
If you can't offer constructive advise/criticism, then just move along and let these people who ride motorcycles get on with what they are doing and god knows one of these days you might find yourself parking your bike in a single car park, Heaven Forbid, it's too scary! It is however nothing less than it should be, we pay far more than any other road user, why should we have to cram into a space and watch some dick run into the first bike and take em all out????????
You could even find yourself explaining to car and other road users why motorcyclists are pissed off and why they want a fair go from govt.

IMO time would be better spent trying to get riders some decent training so riders stop falling off and needing ACC. If motorcyclists ACC usage were to drop then we would have a real argument for a levy drop.

[bogan]

Doing things (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/65410259/narelle-henson-why-farmers-doing-things-is-risky-business) is discouraged, apparently.

[swbarnett]

IMO time would be better spent trying to get riders some decent training so riders stop falling off and needing ACC. If motorcyclists ACC usage were to drop then we would have a real argument for a levy drop.
While this may be true, have you ever tried to herd cats?

[Akzle]

While this may be true, have you ever tried to herd cats?

yes.


...with a .22, works a charm.

[nzspokes]

While this may be true, have you ever tried to herd cats?

No different to trying to get riders to a protest.

[swbarnett]

No different to trying to get riders to a protest.
Exactly. As is trying to get a disparate group of individuals to do anything in a concerted manner.

[Maha]

No different to trying to get riders to a protest.

Piece of piss, I managed to get just over 300 bikes on a protest ride the week before Bikeoi 09' but like I said earlier, the subject was HOT ....then.

[Fatt Max]

Piece of piss, I managed to get just over 300 bikes on a protest ride the week before Bikeoi 09' but like I said earlier, the subject was HOT ....then.

Yep and we also got 300+ bikes to the MAG launch.....because we told bikers about it, not Facebookers.

[Fatt Max]

Yep and we also got 300+ bikes to the MAG launch.....because we told bikers about it, not Facebookers.

That was the original MAG launch at Drury in 2009, not the new MAG.

[Maha]

Yes Mark, and it was all over inside 12 months. Once the idea of actually getting out there and stirring it up was was thrown around, it became clear that 50% of those directly involved wanted nothing to do with that side of it.

What I have seen so far of this MAG, is a mirrored by what what was done first time around, park up/leaflet drop (which we did at Paeroa) There is only so much of that naffing around coffee stops that paid members will take, that was real evident in 2010.

Anne left our annual holiday to appear on TV up against Gareth Morgan, doubt we will see commitment of that nature this time.

Bikers failed to capitalize on what had been done in 09' when the subject was HOT. Five years on the subject is less than tepid and clearly Kiwibiker seems less than impressed with it....now.

[Fatt Max]

Yes Mark, and it was all over inside 12 months. Once the idea of actually getting out there and stirring it up was was thrown around, it became clear that 50% of those directly involved wanted nothing to do with that side of it.

What I have seen so far of this MAG, is a mirrored by what what was done first time around, park up/leaflet drop (which we did at Paeroa) There is only so much of that naffing around coffee stops that paid members will take, that was real evident in 2010.

Anne left our annual holiday to appear on TV up against Gareth Morgan, doubt we will see commitment of that nature this time.

Bikers failed to capitalize on what had been done in 09' when the subject was HOT. Five years on the subject is less than tepid and clearly Kiwibiker seems less than impressed with it....now.

fair point mate but we had a go didnt we...

These guys are having a go, no harm in offering help to lift the profile....I might even get a 'like'....

[Maha]

Indeed, as we did for the Wire Rope Barrier campaign, but that too became a tired drag to most.

[Fatt Max]

Indeed, as we did for the Wire Rope Barrier campaign, but that too became a tired drag to most.

Bring back the AAG....there was always plenty of food at an AAG meet

[AllanB]

Speak for yourself. My bike is my primary transport. The luxury is all the wimps in cars parked up waiting to use the Auckland motorway.

You're obviously one of the ignorant masses that's completely missed the point of ACC.


Wow - you must be one of those real motorcyclists I've read about all my life. But them I've only been riding 35 years.

ACC - pays when you have a accident. Been on a user pays system for bloody ages now - thus motorcyclists as a small user group with high claims pay more.

What would be interesting is if all those 'wimps' in cars in Auckland starting riding would there be proportionally less motorcycle accidents thus lower ACC fees or would there be a higher number of accidents?

The $500 or so a year I pay for rego represents good value to legally ride and do something that I have had a passion for my entire life. With the bonus of state funded medical cover if I have a accident.


What society should be bitching about is all the people getting pissed up on Fri and Sat nights and ending up in hospital. For free. Charge those fucker a release fee I say and maybe they won't get so drunk next time.

[Fatt Max]

What society should be bitching about is all the people getting pissed up on Fri and Sat nights and ending up in hospital. For free. Charge those fucker a release fee I say and maybe they won't get so drunk next time.

Fucking right. Ive had enough of bailing my mother in law out of A&E on a weekend, drunken old scroat

[swbarnett]

Wow - you must be one of those real motorcyclists I've read about all my life.
If by that you mean someone that lives for the bike then yes, that's me.


But them I've only been riding 35 years.
The question is, how many days in those 35 years have you actually ridden? Although it's the mindset that counts.


ACC - pays when you have a accident. Been on a user pays system for bloody ages now - thus motorcyclists as a small user group with high claims pay more.
This is what it has been bastardised into. Even ACC has missed to point of what ACC is all about.


What would be interesting is if all those 'wimps' in cars in Auckland starting riding would there be proportionally less motorcycle accidents thus lower ACC fees or would there be a higher number of accidents?
I think you would get an initial increase and then the proportional accident rate would decrease. Either way it would be a good thing. At least then we wouldn't be a battered minority.


The $500 or so a year I pay for rego represents good value to legally ride and do something that I have had a passion for my entire life. With the bonus of state funded medical cover if I have a accident.
Don't get me wrong. As it stands the actual dollar value is not the issue. I agree that this is a small proportion of the annual running costs (especially when the bike is primary transport as it is with me). The problem is that we're held at fault for all our accidents (whether we caused them or not) under "NO FAULT" system. Am I the only one that can see the contradiction?


What society should be bitching about is all the people getting pissed up on Fri and Sat nights and ending up in hospital. For free. Charge those fucker a release fee I say and maybe they won't get so drunk next time.
Once again you've missed the point of ACC. It's a system that is supposed to let EVERYONE do what fallible humans do and not end up in the poor house when it doesn't go according to plan. As a result everyone benefits.

[AllanB]

Once again you've missed the point of ACC. It's a system that is supposed to let EVERYONE do what fallible humans do and not end up in the poor house when it doesn't go according to plan. As a result everyone benefits.


accident
ˈaksɪd(ə)nt/Submit
noun
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
"he had an accident at the factory"
synonyms: mishap, misfortune, misadventure, mischance, unfortunate incident, injury, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, contretemps, calamity, blow, trouble, problem, difficulty; technicalcasualty


Going out and deliberately getting shit faced is not a accident - no free treatment.

[AllanB]

Don't get me wrong. As it stands the actual dollar value is not the issue. I agree that this is a small proportion of the annual running costs (especially when the bike is primary transport as it is with me). The problem is that we're held at fault for all our accidents (whether we caused them or not) under "NO FAULT" system. Am I the only one that can see the contradiction?


So all trail bikes, quad bikes, etc should have some form of chargeable registration as accidents on these motorcycles are added to the collective government stats and the road bikes charged accordingly.


The alternative to ACC is to drop it and run a litigation system as per the USA - fall off the ladder you borrowed from your friend - sue him for the slippery footing that was slippery due to the dried paint on it that reduced the grip of the manufactures grip tread.

ACC is a faulty system but one I prefer.

[swbarnett]

accident
ˈaksɪd(ə)nt/Submit
noun
1.
an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
"he had an accident at the factory"
synonyms: mishap, misfortune, misadventure, mischance, unfortunate incident, injury, disaster, tragedy, catastrophe, contretemps, calamity, blow, trouble, problem, difficulty; technicalcasualty


Going out and deliberately getting shit faced is not a accident - no free treatment.
If you're talking about treatment for alcohol poisoning then I agree with you. If you're talking about falling down and cracking your skull because you were drunk then that is an accident i.e. "an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally". The drunk did not intend to injure themselves.

[swbarnett]

So all trail bikes, quad bikes, etc should have some form of chargeable registration as accidents on these motorcycles are added to the collective government stats and the road bikes charged accordingly.
Not at all . As I've said before the only fair way to pay for ACC is from income tax. Get away from all this "user pays" bullshit and the admin savings alone would be enormous*.


The alternative to ACC is to drop it and run a litigation system as per the USA - fall off the ladder you borrowed from your friend - sue him for the slippery footing that was slippery due to the dried paint on it that reduced the grip of the manufactures grip tread.

ACC is a faulty system but one I prefer.
Agreed.





*I'm all for user pays as long as the user is correctly defined. In the case of ACC the "user" is the whole country.

[nzspokes]

ACC - pays when you have a accident. Been on a user pays system for bloody ages now - thus motorcyclists as a small user group with high claims pay more.



Having see what the costs are for somebody having a long term stay in hospital then the resultant home stay while not working.

This is missed by many. Until they need it.

But would still be best if people stopped falling off the things.

[AllanB]

Having see what the costs are for somebody having a long term stay in hospital then the resultant home stay while not working.

This is missed by many. Until they need it.

But would still be best if people stopped falling off the things.

Absolutely - I read some stats some time back and it is amazing how quickly you can burn $100k in medical services and recovery.

[nzspokes]

Absolutely - I read some stats some time back and it is amazing how quickly you can burn $100k in medical services and recovery.

Talking to a ACC worker a while back, some motorcycle riders use the cost of an average home.

[Fatt Max]

So, is anyone going to go to this park up?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Berries]

Where's Devonport?

[GrayWolf]

we should have a ride to parliament

why?? to show them you are an accessory riding fag?? :niceone:

[AllanB]

So, is anyone going to go to this park up?

Is that like cottaging?

[Voltaire]

So, is anyone going to go to this park up?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

Just you I think, and found you a nice pie shop :niceone:

http://www.tripadvisor.co.nz/ShowUserReviews-g1811026-d722847-r230936517-Devonport_Stone_Oven_Bakery_Cafe-Devonport_North_Island.html

[Fatt Max]

Just you I think, and found you a nice pie shop :niceone:

http://www.tripadvisor.co.nz/ShowUserReviews-g1811026-d722847-r230936517-Devonport_Stone_Oven_Bakery_Cafe-Devonport_North_Island.html

Fuck it I'm definitely in now., just hope I can find somewhere to park 😜


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[nodrog]

why?? to show them you are an accessory riding fag?? :niceone:

I don't have rego so will have to go with you.

[bogan]

I don't have rego so will have to go with you.

Neither, we could take a bus?

[nodrog]

Neither, we could take a bus?

As long as it's called Ted.

[Madness]

Neither, we could take a bus?

Beats having to search for somewhere to park and you get to lick the windows on the way there.

[Swoop]

Where's Devonport?

A suburb of the North Shore that we really should have rented to the French, for nuclear testing purposes.

[Maha]

Motorists are being advised against renewing their vehicle's registration for a full year, because the price is going to drop.

The Automobile Association and Consumer NZ have said renewing for shorter periods through to July 2015, will capitalise on pending reductions in ACC levies.

Both organisations say any renewals from now on should be targeted to expire shortly after July 1, because from that date, annual motor vehicle licence levies will drop by an average of 45 per cent for most vehicles - except motorcycles, mopeds, trailers and caravans. (Fuckers!)



Frequently asked questions:

What's the story?

In August, the Government announced a reduction in ACC levies collected on motor vehicles - except mopeds and motorcycles, trailers and caravans - effective from July 1, 2015. There will be a 45 per cent reduction in the average motor vehicle levy collected in the annual vehicle licence and a 3c per litre reduction in the petrol levy, collected at the pump.


What about vintage vehicles?

Vintage cars and motorcycles aged 40 years or more are not subject to risk rating. But ACC levies for vintage vehicles will reduce by 45 saving $32 for petrol-powered vintage vehicles and $47 for non-petrol.

Why is the motor vehicle levy reducing?

The ACC motor vehicle account is now fully funded, meaning there is enough money in the account to cover the ongoing cost of claims, so less needs to be collected from vehicle licensing or petrol tax.

- Stuff.co.nz

[Tazz]

Kind of, but not really. The vehicle levy is separate from the earner's levy, which covers general (non-vehicle) injury. More like, the employed subsidise the unemployed, but that's part of living in the developed world.

My bad.

Same deal, different wording/source though.

[The Reibz]

I live about 4 doors down from the Jolly Punter. Its not open at that time of morning, can't get my fix of gambling or alcoholism at that time of morning so going there would be completely out of the question

[nerrrd]

...effective from July 1, 2015. There will be a 45 per cent reduction in the average motor vehicle levy collected in the annual vehicle licence and a 3c per litre reduction in the petrol levy, collected at the pump.

I'm confused (no really), has there been a 45% reduction in accidents or something?

So we're told bikers have to stop crashing to get a reduction, private motorists meanwhile can just keep crashing as much as they like and they get their ACC nearly halved.

Boo!

[Fatt Max]

Well I've decided to join up and support these guys. After all they look like they are doing something, I figure you cant really call any shots unless you bite the bullet and become a paid up member.

The website is definatly worth a look, check it out at http://magnz.org/

Who knows, they say they have a plan so lets see. Anything that is trying to lighten the load on my bills is appreciated I suppose

[Voltaire]

All the events seem to involve parking in 'car sized' spaces outside cafes.

http://magnz.org/previous-events

Along this line I'd suggest a three lane abreast 100 kmph from Greenlane to Top of Bombays ending at a cafe.:rolleyes:

[SuperMac]

Q for the event organisers: what is the protest intended to achieve, and how will that happen?

Presumably this has all been worked out? Devonport on a Sunday morning is fairly quiet; do lots of influential politicians and malleable ACC staff hang out there, then? What about press coverage, will the event get any (presumably the journos won't interview inconvenienced locals and visitors)?

Hopefully, once parked up, all the riders will spend some money in the shops and cafes to ensure their owners aren't out of pocket due to the protest.

Want to really influence ACC funding and achieve a worthwhile reduction for riders, really be an organisation of influence which will be remembered?

Yes?

Sure?

It'll take a while, years even.

Do you have the stamina, the determination, to make it happen.

OK, then; do this:

Stop
Riders
Crashing

Simple.

Or do you have an objection?

[buggerit]

Could they not change it to WAG, so as to not involve those of us riders who think they will do more damage than good?

[Black Knight]

I own a 95 Toyota Diesel ute,I pay $600 plus in rego-my mate owns a 95 Toyota Petrol ute,he pays less than $300 in rego-so obviously diesel utes are far more accident prone than petrol-fuck off-or could it be that there are 1000's more of them on the road and therefore have more accidents.-Add to that the near 6 cents a kilometer RUC which now makes diesel way dearer than petrol.I know "they" want to get these smelly but very reliable units off the road,but whats that got to do with ACC!!!
PS_I own a few petrol powered motorcycles.

[swbarnett]

Talking to a ACC worker a while back, some motorcycle riders use the cost of an average home.
As, I'm sure do some car drivers.

[nzspokes]

As, I'm sure do some car drivers.

Obviously.

Its the frequency that's the difference.

[Laava]

I own a 95 Toyota Diesel ute,I pay $600 plus in rego-my mate owns a 95 Toyota Petrol ute,he pays less than $300 in rego-so obviously diesel utes are far more accident prone than petrol-fuck off-or could it be that there are 1000's more of them on the road and therefore have more accidents.-Add to that the near 6 cents a kilometer RUC which now makes diesel way dearer than petrol.I know "they" want to get these smelly but very reliable units off the road,but whats that got to do with ACC!!!
PS_I own a few petrol powered motorcycles.

I have a 2005 diesel hilux. Rego has gone down to about $450 from $590 odd.

[swbarnett]

Obviously.

Its the frequency that's the difference.
And the fact that we are broken into arbitrary classes with no more merit than splitting us by race.

[TheDemonLord]

Obviously.

Its the frequency that's the difference.

I would be interested as to the frequency of the Cause of the accident if we are going down that route.

[nzspokes]

I would be interested as to the frequency of the Cause of the accident if we are going down that route.
Cool. Let us know when you find out.

[Fatt Max]

In case you cant make the Devonport Park Up this weekend, MAG are doing another one in Ponsonby on 21st Feb, details below as posted on their Facebook page....

We are going there again!! Come and support us to fight against discrimination and unfair ACC levy fees towards motorcyclists.
One bike per parking space, this is a peaceful and legal protest so please make sure all REGOs and WOFs are all up to date plus make sure you have the right licence for your bike.
Ponsonby is a pay and display area, so you will have to pay for a parking ticket which is $2 an hour.

We will all meet at the Caltex Service Station on Fanshawe street at 07.30 and leave together at 07.45

If you want to know more about MAG NZ go to our website MAGNZ.org

[Fatt Max]

Actually, this one got me thinking about the cause and effect of these park up's, especially in Ponsonby....

So they have been there before, and are going back again. Chances are some of the well healed locals are going to get rather miffed by all this, especially of they keep going back and doing this. Remember, they are doing nothing illegal, just riding to Ponsonby and taking up a parking space each....

Anyway they keep doing it, locals get miffed.....get more and more miffed. They cant call the cops because eveything is kosher so what do they do?.....I Know, write to their MP in the strongest terms about this disruption......and who is the MP for Auckland Central...?....well that would be Nikki Kaye........who is also the ACC minister.....

Put these elements together and MAG may well have a positive reaction from the very person who can make the change that they are looking for....

Just a thought, not bad for a Friday I reckon

[nzspokes]

Actually, this one got me thinking about the cause and effect of these park up's, especially in Ponsonby....

So they have been there before, and are going back again. Chances are some of the well healed locals are going to get rather miffed by all this, especially of they keep going back and doing this. Remember, they are doing nothing illegal, just riding to Ponsonby and taking up a parking space each....

Anyway they keep doing it, locals get miffed.....get more and more miffed. They cant call the cops because eveything is kosher so what do they do?.....I Know, write to their MP in the strongest terms about this disruption......and who is the MP for Auckland Central...?....well that would be Nikki Kaye........who is also the ACC minister.....

Put these elements together and MAG may well have a positive reaction from the very person who can make the change that they are looking for....

Just a thought, not bad for a Friday I reckon

As Nikki Kaye's office is 48c College Hill, would it not be better to park at her office?

[Maha]

It's A long shot Mark.... they are parking outside shops? and quite possible buying coffee from one of them.
Why not all park up outside Nikki Kayes residence? you know, get the attention of the one person who they are probably targeting?

[Woodman]

It's A long shot Mark.... they are parking outside shops? and quite possible buying coffee from one of them.
Why not all park up outside Nikki Kayes residence? you know, get the attention of the one person who they are probably targeting?

If they don't go into the cafes/shops then they will lose revenue which may also prompt them write to their MP as well. Double whammy.

[Maha]

If they don't go into the cafes/shops then they will lose revenue which may also prompt them write to their MP as well. Double whammy.

Ah fuck off, seriously what planet are some people living on? people write to their local MP for REAL reason's, not because 25 motorcyclists are parked up on any given day outside some shops (as Mark said ''Remember, they are doing nothing illegal'') whammy yet to be used efficiently.

[Mike.Gayner]

This is all just the most pathetic thing I've ever read. God I hate that just because I ride a motorcycle I'm going to be associated with this facile group of wankers just because they've chosen a name which purports to represent me.

Fuck you and fuck your organisations and everything you stand for. You are bad people and you should feel bad.

[Fatt Max]

Fuck you and fuck your organisations and everything you stand for. You are bad people and you should feel bad.

So I suppose I cant interest you in a leaflet about Jesus then? :bleh:

[Fatt Max]

It's A long shot Mark.... they are parking outside shops? and quite possible buying coffee from one of them.
Why not all park up outside Nikki Kayes residence? you know, get the attention of the one person who they are probably targeting?

Dunno mate, not part of the organisation for this, just putting it out there. I'm sure however this has been considered and no doubt all will be revealed. They have stated that they have a plan so I wait with great anticipation. In my opinion the worst thing to do is to do nothing, MAG are at least getting out there and doing something. You and I know only too well how action is met by resistance, if this is flogging a dead horse then the results will confirm that but anything that is an attempt to reduce the pain in my wallet is always welcome.

[nodrog]

I know, lets have a Hikoi

[Voltaire]

suggest NAG would be better, they could park up outside Cafes and slap NAG stickers on cars, You've been Nagged.

No Action Group.

[swbarnett]

So I suppose I cant interest you in a leaflet about Jesus then? :bleh:
I can give you one that clearly shows the hypocrisy of christianity if you like.

[Woodman]

This is all just the most pathetic thing I've ever read. God I hate that just because I ride a motorcycle I'm going to be associated with this facile group of wankers just because they've chosen a name which purports to represent me.

Fuck you and fuck your organisations and everything you stand for. You are bad people and you should feel bad.

Agree........

[Fatt Max]

I can give you one that clearly shows the hypocrisy of christianity if you like.

I was taking the piss mate. Christians are funny though, they make me giggle


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Black Knight]

I have a 2005 diesel hilux. Rego has gone down to about $450 from $590 odd.
That's interesting,is this from July 1 or can we expect further reductions then,probably a good reason to take the ute off farm rego.

[TheDemonLord]

If you want to know more about MAG NZ go to our website MAGNZ.org

just FYI:

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[Fatt Max]

The website is back up and running now. Keep checking it out for upcoming MAG events

[Madness]

Keep checking it out for upcoming MAG events

Does this mean you're going to stop posting this crap on KB?

[Fatt Max]

Does this mean you're going to stop posting this crap on KB?
Holy smoke sweetheart no way. Need to keep all bikers informed of what's happening, certainly wouldn't want you to feel left out

[Voltaire]

So...how did it go?

How much is a large flat white in Devo with carrot cake?

[Fatt Max]

Didnt go myself but there are some piccies on their Facebook page

[MrKiwi]

...


Don't get me wrong. As it stands the actual dollar value is not the issue. I agree that this is a small proportion of the annual running costs (especially when the bike is primary transport as it is with me). The problem is that we're held at fault for all our accidents (whether we caused them or not) under "NO FAULT" system. Am I the only one that can see the contradiction?


...

Except, as it has been for several years, it is a no fault system within risk groups. Motorcycles are a risk grouping, just as forestry workers are in the employers bit of ACC. As such it is a no fault scheme within risk groups.

I don't like this interpretation of the ACC legislation but it is in it, and Parliament specifically amended the legislation to provide for this feature in the Act. The irony of it was risk groupings was first designed for the employers account but is now also in the motoring account. There are arguments both for and against this approach.

[TheDemonLord]

The website is back up and running now. Keep checking it out for upcoming MAG events

Good stuff - another FYI (and I hate to sound like a pedant, pointing out faults) but the link at the top of this forum is going to mag-nz.org, which appears to be a Chinese blog (my oriental language knowledge is a little rusty, so it could be Japanese or other)

[swbarnett]

Except, as it has been for several years, it is a no fault system within risk groups. Motorcycles are a risk grouping, just as forestry workers are in the employers bit of ACC. As such it is a no fault scheme within risk groups.
And therein lies the problem.

Why these risk groups? Why not group on race? See what reaction that gets from the public.


I don't like this interpretation of the ACC legislation but it is in it, and Parliament specifically amended the legislation to provide for this feature in the Act.
That's what happens when we get shit-heads in parliament that don't care one iota about anything beyond political mileage. It doesn't change the fact that the only fair implementation of ACC is to have no risk groups at all.

What we need is a system of legally binding referenda. And to have EVERY change to legislation to have to go through one.

[MadDuck]

I know we have taken a hit on here and it is mostly because we do not have the resource to cover so much media.

We asked the question of the MSAC and suddenly it got too hard for them and a month later they finally respond. So there is a bucket with $10 million of "YOUR" - YES THAT IS YOUR MONEY sitting there. Are you guys really happy with that? So what we are doing may not be to your liking so give us some suggestions or just sit and take it....

308966

http://magnz.org/

[bogan]

Good info that, just went to motonz, now reverted back to McSAC. I think the kill-counter on the home-page is a bit in poor taste. Defo govt patsies now.

[MadDuck]

I think the kill-counter on the home-page is a bit in poor taste. Defo govt patsies now.

Yes that is pretty poor taste. We are paying for that. MSAC have always been patsies for ACC. Do any Kbers want to help us fight this or is every one happy to just call MAG names and take it up the arse?

[Voltaire]

$10 000 000 over 4 years

$2 500 000 per year

divided roughly by $600

so there are 4166 motorcycles on the road?

I've got 3 of them...

[nodrog]

take it up the arse?

Now we're getting somewhere.

[MadDuck]

so there are 4166 motorcycles on the road?

I've got 3 of them...

Welcome to the world of statistics.....lol. I think there is more than 4,166 on the road.

It is $10 million dollars taken off us. If that does not get you lot a little annoyed then I think I will go looking for gnomes hiding in gardens.

[MadDuck]

Now we're getting somewhere.

Only if you are paying :P

[bogan]

$10 000 000 over 4 years

$2 500 000 per year

divided roughly by $600

so there are 4166 motorcycles on the road?

I've got 3 of them...

That's the total rego cost dummy, msl is 30 per, or roughly 80,000 bikes on the road.

[Fatt Max]

I'm a fully paid up member and happy to lend my support as always.
If MAG want support from KB or any other social media based group then make yourselves known. As I keep saying, the world does not revolve around Facebook.
Ok so there are opinions and not all of them in favour of MAG, but to say you represent motorcyclists then shy away from one of the largest subscribe BIKER websites to me is a bit strange.
MD, you were there before and so was I. I have 'taken a hit' as well over my attitudes to the nature of Facebook on your MAG page, in fact one member of your group decided to get rather personal, but that's what it's all about.
MAG cannot say they are an action group then shy away from people who ask the hard questions.
You need to get your faces out of Facebook and into the real world where the fight needs to be fought.

By the way, I still await an answer to my question Re MAG making a presence at the Westpac ride in Auckland.

Keep fighting the fight, good onya 😄


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Voltaire]

That's the total rego cost dummy, msl is 30 per, or roughly 80,000 bikes on the road.

:baby: that makes more cents.

[Murray]

$10 000 000 over 4 years

$2 500 000 per year

divided roughly by $600

so there are 4166 motorcycles on the road?

I've got 3 of them...

Edited because Bogan already said it. Have a nice day John must be time for "we are a ......." eh??

[Murray]

So their 1.6 mill spend on safety initiatives is more than covered by the interest they receive alone, on the money stolen from us already.

Should this not mean they don't have to take any more as its self funding??

[MadDuck]

MAG cannot say they are an action group then shy away from people who ask the hard questions.



What a bunch of cunts.


No one will give a shit.


NO ONE GIVES A FUCK.


Fuck these guys are a bunch of wankers.


That is as far as I read on the original post. Hard to answer a question when there is not one to answer. We have a website (which has taken a lot to build from scratch in a short space of time), google+ and twitter as well as Facebook.

I had thought by posting the letter we received back from ACC some of the original mockers may see why some of us are standing up and saying "we are not happy". I will try more to get on here and respond to questions but time constraints do not always make it practical.

There will be a couple of us there at the Westpac Ride and a lot more of us at Paeroa. Come say high and call me a wanker to my face....you will of course have to stoop to do that

[Madness]

Do any Kbers want to help us fight this or is every one happy to just call MAG names and take it up the arse?

What, by parking my bike outside a poxy cafe in Devonport for an hour while we all hold hands and sing Kum by ya wearing silly t-shirts? Fuck off you silly cunt.


It is $10 million dollars taken off us.

$120 from me. Let's keep things in perspective here.


If that does not get you lot a little annoyed then I think I will go looking for gnomes hiding in gardens.

Watch out for slugs.

[Fatt Max]

What, by parking my bike outside a poxy cafe in Devonport for an hour while we all hold hands and sing Kum by ya wearing silly t-shirts? Fuck off you silly cunt.

No need for that, MAG are at least doing something and now they are opening themselves up for scrutiny. That takes balls, much more balls than throwing obscenities over the Internet. What would you do as you believe you have the answers?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Fatt Max]

That is as far as I read on the original post. Hard to answer a question when there is not one to answer. We have a website (which has taken a lot to build from scratch in a short space of time), google+ and twitter as well as Facebook.

I had thought by posting the letter we received back from ACC some of the original mockers may see why some of us are standing up and saying "we are not happy". I will try more to get on here and respond to questions but time constraints do not always make it practical.

There will be a couple of us there at the Westpac Ride and a lot more of us at Paeroa. Come say high and call me a wanker to my face....you will of course have to stoop to do that

Nice one MD. Contrary to belief, I am supporting you guys as I always have. I've made my point about exposure and I'm glad to see you mixing it up on a bikers forum. Yes there will be the knockers and nay Sayers and pathetic abusers but in the background are people who will support your work. They are the ones who don't hit the slagging off button but who come along and join your events. They prefer to ride than type. So good on you mate.
Oh and I would never call you a wanker, you could easily upper cut me in the nuts just as long as you have a step ladder 😜


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Madness]

No need for that, MAG are at least doing something and now they are opening themselves up for scrutiny. That takes balls, much more balls than throwing obscenities over the Internet. What would you do as you believe you have the answers?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

You can fuck off as well ya fat pommy git. What would I do to protest over $30 a year? Sweet fuck all. It's probably less than you spend on adult diapers in a week.

[Fatt Max]

You can fuck off as well ya fat pommy git. What would I do to protest over $30 a year? Sweet fuck all. It's probably less than you spend on adult diapers in a week.

I'm not a git.....and I prefer cloth nappies


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[bogan]

No need for that, MAG are at least doing something and now they are opening themselves up for scrutiny. That takes balls, much more balls than throwing obscenities over the Internet. What would you do as you believe you have the answers?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

Target the McSAC group (as they have started doing, so credit to em). Let's face it, park ups are going to do fuck all. It won't catch on, it won't get big enough to get the message out far enough to effect change. I know it is good to feel like you're doing something, but if the thousands of bikes at the bikoi didn't start the momentum; devonport cafes don't have a shitshow.

However, the McSAC is a far better target, that money has been put aside for us, and they are not using it for us. That could get some traction. I could have got 2 new pairs of gloves by now, better safety gear increases safety a whole lot more than fuck all. I might even attempt to turn up to one of those...

[Reckless]

What, by parking my bike outside a poxy cafe in Devonport for an hour while we all hold hands and sing Kum by ya wearing silly t-shirts? Fuck off you silly cunt.

Everything has to start somewhere what do you expect a 20 bike ride to the beehive FFS ??
They are doin what they can with what they have and the human resource that has bothered to put their money and time where their keyboard is.
That fucken crap above helps no one and makes you look like a dick.

And no I am not member of MAG

[Madness]

Everything has to start somewhere what do you expect a 20 bike ride to the beehive FFS ??
They are doin what they can with what they have and the human resource that has bothered to put their money and time where their keyboard is.
That fucken crap above helps no one and makes you look like a dick.

And no I am not member of MAG

You can get fucked also.

These dickheads can do whatever floats their boat. However, as soon as they claim or even suggest to represent the interests of all New Zealand motorcyclists, their actions could be seen as representing my personal interests or beliefs. They are not and have never had the mandate to suggest that they do.

There are much greater injustices in this country than the cost of licensing a motorcycle. Those "brotherhood" bikers that protest child abuse on their Harleys probably deserve more respect than these twits.

[Fatt Max]

You can get fucked also.

These dickheads can do whatever floats their boat. However, as soon as they claim or even suggest to representing all New Zealand motorcyclists, their actions could be seen as representing my personal interests or beliefs. They are not and have never had the mandate to suggest that they do.

There are much greater injustices in this country than the cost of licensing a motorcycle. Those "brotherhood" bikers that protest child abuse on their Harleys probably deserve more respect than these twits.

Finally, proof that the male menstrual cycle exists.

As for injustices, I believe whoever allowed you an Internet connection needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

Mind you, your endless abusive and negative rants are quite a turn on. Do you own a lot of leather perchance?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Reckless]

And ya wonder why the new MAG has never posted anything on Kiwibitcher.
And why bikers in NZ will never achieve anything as a group.
One constructive post by MAG with some info on your 10 million worth of levy in the ACC bank, they have dug up?
Within a couple pages it turns into a typical KB shit fight. What a complete and utter waste of time them reading through this shit.
I wouldn't fucken bother with the keyboard Warriors on Kiwibitcher if I where them.
To negative and destructive. :finger:

[Fatt Max]

And ya wonder why the new MAG has never posted anything on Kiwibitcher.
And why bikers in NZ will never achieve anything as a group.
One constructive post by MAG with some info on your 10 million worth of levy in the ACC bank, they have dug up?
Within a couple pages it turns into a typical KB shit fight. What a complete and utter waste of time them reading through this shit.
I wouldn't fucken bother with the keyboard Warriors on Kiwibitcher if I where them.
To negative and destructive. :finger:

Yes I know
But for every one of the negative dicks that have a go at MAG on KB from behind their keyboards are many more who do see the point and act with their feet by turning up to events
Personally I like nothing more thank taking the piss out of the knockers cos it's a laugh but bigger picture is the real bikers who want to see a change.
I've only tried to help increase MAG's profile on KB and will continue to do so. Good on them for at least trying.
I now await the juvenile abuse and bad ass red reps that I so passionately deserve


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Mom]

OMG! Pathetic! Utterly Pathetic!

Good on MAG for what they are trying to do. If you are not going to support them, then shut the fuck up!

Dont knock a group that are attempting to try to make a change that might reduce some costs for us "bikers" out here.

Support them, or ignore them.

Good luck to them - given this climate they are going to need it.

[Madness]

Support them, or ignore them.

Tell that to the poor sod that just wants to park their car/ute/van/truck/bus/motorhome/trailer/bike in an area being targeted with this type of "protest action". You know, people from the other road user groups who also pay rego and ACC Levies but you don't see "protesting" by inconveniencing members of the general public. What a retarded excuse for a strategy. What's next, donuts on random cunts front lawns?

Anyway, from the looks of the MAG photos they only seem to be able to occupy a dozen or so spaces and the protesters look like such a sad bunch of cunts I'd say they probably got sick of each other after the first half hour of "protesting" and put their bikes back in the garage until the next "protest".

[Fatt Max]

OMG!

Support them, or ignore them.

.

What she said 👍


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Voltaire]

If its going to be Over The Shore based may I suggest a name change:

MAGOTS :innocent:

[Fatt Max]

Anyway bottom line is good on you MAG for doing what you are doing, the negative vibes will always be there but rise above it, keep calm and carry on. I support what you are doing and hope that the effort I know it takes pays off. I've paid my money and look forward to the results of your hard work. Keep on keeping on folks


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[GrayWolf]

Tell that to the poor sod that just wants to park their car/ute/van/truck/bus/motorhome/trailer/bike in an area being targeted with this type of "protest action". You know, people from the other road user groups who also pay rego and ACC Levies but you don't see "protesting" by inconveniencing members of the general public. What a retarded excuse for a strategy. What's next, donuts on random cunts front lawns?

Anyway, from the looks of the MAG photos they only seem to be able to occupy a dozen or so spaces and the protesters look like such a sad bunch of cunts I'd say they probably got sick of each other after the first half hour of "protesting" and put their bikes back in the garage until the next "protest".

Simple answer is, sadly, nice guys dont get media exposure, do they?? What gets the media juices flowing? A nice America's cup smashing, chainsawing the tree on 'one tree hill', oh yeh, invading and taking over a public park an 'claiming it'..
i said it severl times, people like Stoney were NEEDED to rabble rouse for the bikoi, where it went wrong in my opinon, was there were others 'better suited' to deal with and among the 'grey men' of gubbermint, afterwards.
you just typify the average KB 'fuck you, i'm allright jack' mentality... yeh, the 'rebel without a fuckin clue' Club. :bleh: Harley riders on 'anti child abuse rides'?? ffs, the only fucking REASON they get traction is because of the 'love affair' the media have with the bloody tractors they ride.

There Ya go MD, get ya local 'HoG' chapter involved in the 'park ups' instant media attention :niceone::niceone::niceone:

[caseye]

Simple answer is, sadly, nice guys dont get media exposure, do they?? What gets the media juices flowing? A nice America's cup smashing, chainsawing the tree on 'one tree hill', oh yeh, invading and taking over a public park an 'claiming it'..
i said it severl times, people like Stoney were NEEDED to rabble rouse for the bikoi, where it went wrong in my opinon, was there were others 'better suited' to deal with and among the 'grey men' of gubbermint, afterwards.
you just typify the average KB 'fuck you, i'm allright jack' mentality... yeh, the 'rebel without a fuckin clue' Club. :bleh: Harley riders on 'anti child abuse rides'?? ffs, the only fucking REASON they get traction is because of the 'love affair' the media have with the bloody tractors they ride.

There Ya go MD, get ya local 'HoG' chapter involved in the 'park ups' instant media attention :niceone::niceone::niceone:

Damn fine idea that GrayWolf.
As for your other comments, ol madness, is just that, least he thinks he's alright.

[Madness]

What gets the media juices flowing?... invading and taking over a public park an 'claiming it'..

Funny, I've not seen any media coverage on the "park-up" activities that MAG have been running. Nothing so much as a mention. Maybe the juices are still yet to flow or, perhaps, the media think this is pointless drivel as well and you're talking out of your arse again.


...You just typify the average KB 'fuck you, i'm allright jack' mentality... yeh, the 'rebel without a fuckin clue' Club.

Fuck you. If there's anyone around here acting like rebels without a clue it's these MAG "activists" sticking it to the common man in the street with their parking methodology. Bad-ass mofos, just wait 'til the media get their juices flowing! :facepalm:


As for your other comments, ol madness, is just that, least he thinks he's alright.

Damn straight, old man. By the way, that's Madness with a capital M. You can just call me Sir.

[Virago]

I hope that this is taken as constructive criticism.

There is still a place for organisations like MAG NZ - people prepared to ask the right questions and push for the answers. BRONZ certainly isn't interested in taking that role, despite their full name. Certainly down here BRONZ just wants to be a social club.

We had one shot at the ACC protest and Bikoi and we took it. It was as successful as it was ever going to be, we got in the public's face's in a big way. But at the end of the day it made little if any difference to our position.

The momentum of that protest is gone, and most of us realise the futility of trying to rekindle the flame from cold ashes.

I've always been a firm believer that protest action designed solely to inconvenience or anger the public is counter-productive. It alienates rather than educates. In this case it simply cements public perception that motorcyclists have little regard for others and the community.

Protest action and education should be aimed at those who matter. There is nothing to be gained by attempting to hold innocent civilians for ransom.

[TheDemonLord]

Tell that to the poor sod that just wants to park their car/ute/van/truck/bus/motorhome/trailer/bike in an area being targeted with this type of "protest action". You know, people from the other road user groups who also pay rego and ACC Levies but you don't see "protesting" by inconveniencing members of the general public. What a retarded excuse for a strategy. What's next, donuts on random cunts front lawns?

Anyway, from the looks of the MAG photos they only seem to be able to occupy a dozen or so spaces and the protesters look like such a sad bunch of cunts I'd say they probably got sick of each other after the first half hour of "protesting" and put their bikes back in the garage until the next "protest".

Okay, I'm going to chime in:

Madness - I am going ignore all the other Ad Hominems and ask a series of direct questions:

1: Do you think that the current ACC method(s) in determining the registration costs are fair and equitable across all road users?
2: Do you think that the lack of a coherent, cohesive and unified voice is a detriment to those that thing that the answer to question 1 is false?
3: in your criticism of MAG (and I am going to assume by the level of your disagreement that there is history between yourself and MAG) do you believe you are furthering the cause of the average motorcyclist of NZ or are you being a neysayer?

Final question:

If you were in the position of Max - how would you protest in a way that achieved the goals you set out to achieve without committing the same detrimental acts you accuse MAG of doing?

As a final thought - Can you name another Animal rights activism group apart from say PETA? Unfortunately controversy enables a message to go far and wide and it is a sad reflection on our society that the rational and reasoned approach often gets lost in the noise.

[Madness]

1: Do you think that the current ACC method(s) in determining the registration costs are fair and equitable across all road users?

I don't give a fuck.


2: Do you think that the lack of a coherent, cohesive and unified voice is a detriment to those that thing that the answer to question 1 is false?

I don't give a fuck.


3: in your criticism of MAG (and I am going to assume by the level of your disagreement that there is history between yourself and MAG) do you believe you are furthering the cause of the average motorcyclist of NZ or are you being a neysayer?

I don't give a fuck. There is no history between myself and MAG, either in this current incarnation or that before it. This current lot are just an irrelevant bunch of cunts. Their actions are going to generate the exact response from at the very least part of the public that they aim to "take action" against. Fuck 'em.


Final question:

If you were in the position of Max - how would you protest in a way that achieved the goals you set out to achieve without committing the same detrimental acts you accuse MAG of doing?

Fatt Max isn't protesting though. And I don't give a fuck.


As a final thought - Can you name another Animal rights activism group apart from say PETA? Unfortunately controversy enables a message to go far and wide and it is a sad reflection on our society that the rational and reasoned approach often gets lost in the noise.

In case you still haven't got it yet, I don't give a fuck.

Perhaps you should join MAG, I think you'll fit in brilliantly.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't give a fuck.



I don't give a fuck.



I don't give a fuck.



Fatt Max isn't protesting though. And I don't give a fuck.



In case you still haven't got it yet, I don't give a fuck.

If you (as you repeatedly claim) Don't give a Fuck - why then go through all the trouble of attacking what MAG are doing?

Clearly on some level you DO give a fuck, otherwise you would read this thread, go 'I don't give a fuck', not bother posting in it and forget about its existance.

So now we have proven by your own action(s) that you do give a fuck - Will you answer the challenges I put to you?

[Madness]

why then go through all the trouble of attacking what MAG are doing?

Really, it's no trouble. Besides, why the fuck not?


Clearly on some level you DO give a fuck, otherwise you would read this thread, go 'I don't give a fuck', not bother posting in it and forget about its existance.

Actually, I read this thread and thought "what a bunch of cunts" so that's what I posted. Pretty fucking easy really, hence the above.


Will you answer the challenges I put to you?

No. Get fucked.

[TheDemonLord]

No. Get fucked.

So you will jump up and down on your Keyboard and rave about how dare MAG do something, yet claim to preach indifference and slink away from a challenge with your tail between your legs when someone tries to engage with you on an intellectual level.

It says much about the makeup of ones character, to wail on like a hollow demagogue when there is none that will retort, yet fall silent like a mute when there is.

[Madness]

So you will jump up and down on your Keyboard and rave about how dare MAG do something, yet claim to preach indifference and slink away from a challenge with your tail between your legs when someone tries to engage with you on an intellectual level.

It says much about the makeup of ones character, to wail on like a hollow demagogue when there is none that will retort, yet fall silent like a mute when there is.

There's not much intellectual about organising a "protest" that involves the intentional obstruction of other road users. I'll happily discuss this with you, as I see fit. If you don't like that, you can get fucked.

[TheDemonLord]

There's not much intellectual about organising a "protest" that involves the intentional obstruction of other road users. I'll happily discuss this with you, as I see fit. If you don't like that, you can get fucked.

So then, we are getting somewhere - my question number 4 then - what would you do instead? and how would you do it in a way that didn't obstruct other road users, yet made enough impact to get the message heard?

[Madness]

So then, we are getting somewhere - my question number 4 then - what would you do instead? and how would you do it in a way that didn't obstruct other road users, yet made enough impact to get the message heard?

I'd do fuck all because I don't give a fuck. Remember, dickhead?

It's rego. I pay it. I go for a ride. End of fucking story, princess.

[bogan]

So then, we are getting somewhere - my question number 4 then - what would you do instead? and how would you do it in a way that didn't obstruct other road users, yet made enough impact to get the message heard?

Why does there need to be an instead?

The idea that doing something is better than doing nothing sounds good; but it has to be balanced against all the other things one can do. And tbh, an infinitesimal chance at changing the rego doesn't move my scales much. I mean fuck, I think they should put a proper tunnel through the manawatu gorge, but you won't see me out there digging away with a spoon...

[TheDemonLord]

I'd do fuck all because I don't give a fuck. Remember, dickhead?

It's rego. I pay it. I go for a ride. End of fucking story, princess.

If you don't give a fuck (which you repeatedly say, yet your actions are speaking at a significantly louder volume) why are you still posting?

There are many motorcyclist and probably members of KB who share the sentiment - they have to pay it, they do pay it, they enjoy what they have paid for. I would even go so far as to speak for some of them to say that the afore-mentioned is the reason they haven't posted in this thread, nor attend Protests.

And that is perfectly fine for them.

My issue here is someone that says one thing, yet acts in the polar opposite manner to that which they claim.

Like the Heartbroken teenage school girl who cries herself to sleep by telling herself how much she doesn't care.....

[Madness]

If you don't give a fuck (which you repeatedly say, yet your actions are speaking at a significantly louder volume) why are you still posting?

Because I can. Whay do the dickheads from MAG NZ insist on taking up as many parking spaces as they can? Same fucking reason you thick cunt. It's a free world and until such time as Caseye gives me so many infractions that I cannot post any longer, I'll do what the fuck I like thank you very much.


My issue here is someone that says one thing, yet acts in the polar opposite manner to that which they claim.

Like the Heartbroken teenage school girl who cries herself to sleep by telling herself how much she doesn't care.....

So you have an issue then, that's what this is about. Well, there are two things you might consider in order to try and overcome this issue. One of them is to fuck off and use the ignore function.

[TheDemonLord]

Why does there need to be an instead?

The idea that doing something is better than doing nothing sounds good; but it has to be balanced against all the other things one can do. And tbh, an infinitesimal chance at changing the rego doesn't move my scales much. I mean fuck, I think they should put a proper tunnel through the manawatu gorge, but you won't see me out there digging away with a spoon...

I'm a big fan of constructive criticism - agree that sometimes doing nothing is the right course of action, but one should be able to put forward a reasoned argument why doing nothing is the best cause of action as well as picking holes in the idea presented.

The next point is why there is a small chance if it changing anything - I would say that there are a myriad of factors - but one of them is certain to be the attitudes and vitriol evident in this thread and the dissension of voices among those who ride.

For my part (so my position can be clear) I am not a MAG member, nor do I have an interest in joining - I do however believe that certain aspects of how ACC calculate is payments are in need of a more balanced review, as opposed to the car-centric policies we have seen of late.

Is a park up in Devonport the right way to go about it, I think perhaps not. A park up outside several key MP offices during business hours might yield a better result and there maybe other options that could be considered as well.

[TheDemonLord]

Because I can. Whay do the dickheads from MAG NZ insist on taking up as many parking spaces as they can? Same fucking reason you thick cunt. It's a free world and until such time as Caseye gives me so many infractions that I cannot post any longer, I'll do what the fuck I like thank you very much.

So you concede - you do give a fuck enough to do that which you can.


So you have an issue then, that's what this is about. Well, there are two things you might consider in order to try and overcome this issue. One of them is to fuck off and use the ignore function.

Well, Yes. I do have an issue - I do care about the subject matter at hand - hence why I am taking my time to post about it. As for Fucking off and using the ignore button - I prefer not to.

Its much more fun to paint someone into a logical corner and watch them make a fool of themselves trying to get out.

Like someone claiming not to care, when their actions show that they quite clearly care alot.

[Madness]

I'm a big fan of constructive criticism - agree that sometimes doing nothing is the right course of action, but one should be able to put forward a reasoned argument why doing nothing is the best cause of action as well as picking holes in the idea presented.

The next point is why there is a small chance if it changing anything - I would say that there are a myriad of factors - but one of them is certain to be the attitudes and vitriol evident in this thread and the dissension of voices among those who ride.

For my part (so my position can be clear) I am not a MAG member, nor do I have an interest in joining - I do however believe that certain aspects of how ACC calculate is payments are in need of a more balanced review, as opposed to the car-centric policies we have seen of late.

Is a park up in Devonport the right way to go about it, I think perhaps not. A park up outside several key MP offices during business hours might yield a better result and there maybe other options that could be considered as well.

That and I'm a raving fucking cross-dresser.

Just don't give a fuck bro. Thank me later, seriously.

[Madness]

So you concede - you do give a fuck enough to do that which you can.

I give just enough of no fuck at all to post on KB. I give even less of a fuck about you or your opinion.


Well, Yes. I do have an issue - I do care about the subject matter at hand - hence why I am taking my time to post about it. As for Fucking off and using the ignore button - I prefer not to.

Considering the subject matter at hand is a bunch of fuckwits pissing off other motorists, I'm actually pleased you care.


Its much more fun to paint someone into a logical corner and watch them make a fool of themselves trying to get out.

Like someone claiming not to care, when their actions show that they quite clearly care alot.

You lead a very boring life, don't you.

You should come out bro. Let her know you like dressing up, she'll be cool with it.

[TheDemonLord]

Just don't give a fuck bro. Thank me later, seriously.

By all means - Lead by example - I'll stop giving a fuck when you re-align what you are saying with what you are doing.

I doubt however, that I will stop giving a fuck any time soon...

[nodrog]

If you don't give a fuck (which you repeatedly say, yet your actions are speaking at a significantly louder volume) why are you still posting?

There are many motorcyclist and probably members of KB who share the sentiment - they have to pay it, they do pay it, they enjoy what they have paid for. I would even go so far as to speak for some of them to say that the afore-mentioned is the reason they haven't posted in this thread, nor attend Protests.

And that is perfectly fine for them.

My issue here is someone that says one thing, yet acts in the polar opposite manner to that which they claim.

Like the Heartbroken teenage school girl who cries herself to sleep by telling herself how much she doesn't care.....

Um, you don't have to pay it.

[bogan]

I do however believe that certain aspects of how ACC calculate is payments are in need of a more balanced review, as opposed to the car-centric policies we have seen of late.

It is not the calculations that are in need of a review, but the underlying concept of it being an insurance system where such calculations are a thing in the first place. This is not a biker only issue, and pissing off other motorists is entirely the wrong way to go about effecting that change.

The biker only issue at hand, is the McSAC one, but again, pissing off other motorists is not the right way to go about effecting that change either.

[Fatt Max]

If you were in the position of Max - how would you protest in a way that achieved the goals you set out to achieve without committing the same detrimental acts you accuse MAG of doing?



Good question.
I've never said that what they are doing is detrimental as in my opinion any action is good action. My biggest criticism of MAG was that they were restricting their profile to Facebook and not taking in the wider biker community. I asked their permission to publicise their events on KB and have done so.
By the way, I am a fully paid up member of MAG so I support their aim 100%.
As for the park up's, well rather than sit an a cafe supping lattes I would sooner they sat on their bikes and spoke to people but that is my opinion.
I was the secretary for MAG the first time roound and there were some really creative ideas as to how to get things done, I do hope the current commitee can be as creative.
MAG say they have a plan, I believe them and I look forward to their further action.
How would I protest?
Lobby the government, hassle the minister for ACC, rally the wider biker community, get on radio / TV / newspapers, have a presence at every public engagement the minister for ACC attends, get as many bikes on the road as possible and do some big flag waving chest beating rides....blimey the list goes on.
Unfortunatley there will be folk like the loveable Mr Madness around who will try and wind everyone up. I say embrace these people and enjoy the light hearted side of protest movements, have a laugh cos its funny.
Good post Mr DemonLord, enjoy.....

[Voltaire]

Just say:
You organize things that catch the publics interest.
The media gets hold of it and shows it on the tele.
Mag gets a petition together about it.
The petition gets sent to the Minister/ACC.

Then I suppose the petition goes to a committee
its this stage that interest begins to wane as that is the natural hunting ground of the bureaucrat and they have the advantage for being in full time pay and having all day to do things. They know they have time on their side.
This is where things get done.

That's why you end up with the sort of people we have running the show, people who have high boredom thresholds.:rolleyes:

[bogan]

As for the park up's, well rather than sit an a cafe supping lattes I would sooner they sat on their bikes and spoke to people but that is my opinion.

Are there signs or something so the public know it is a 'protest' then?

[Fatt Max]

Are there signs or something so the public know it is a 'protest' then?

I dunno ask them


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Bikemad]

So you will jump up and down on your Keyboard and rave about how dare MAG do something, yet claim to preach indifference and slink away from a challenge with your tail between your legs when someone tries to engage with you on an intellectual level.

It says much about the makeup of ones character, to wail on like a hollow demagogue when there is none that will retort, yet fall silent like a mute when there is.

yep hes a real hard man isn't he.....look at the timing of most of his posts.......during the day when real motorcyclists are out riding....truth is he can't tear himself away from his bong for more than an hour at a time.........what a loser

[bogan]

I dunno ask them


Too Fat To Ride Slim

Doesn't it defeat the purpose if you have to ask though...

[Fatt Max]

MAG are holding another park up event this Saturday, 21st February 2015 in Auckland

For those of you that have been questioning their approach or have a point to make, I would consider this an opportunity to go along, meet them and have a chat. It would alos be a great opportunity to get involved and see how these park up's are run and the reaction they generate.

Get along and support MAG in helping get a better deal for motorcyclists.

Meeting time is 7.30am at the Caltex, 163 Fanshawe Street and from there they will be making their way to Ponsonby.

Cheers my dears

[Murray]

Just got an email from MAG - must be from old email address book because I cannot remember being involved with them for many years. However this is what it reads


"So, according to their website MSAC want to involve you and they ask for your input about the projects they are considering, mostly through polls, surveys and comments on their website. It is your money they are holding, as such you all have a right to contact them.

I urge you to keep informed about where your money is(n't) being spent, you can contact MSAC by using this link http://msac.org.nz/contact-us. Ask to be informed about the projects that they are considering and tell them what you really think about $10m sitting in the ACC bank account. It only takes a few minutes to send a message to them and if enough of us do it they might start doing something tangible.

Cheers,"

I have emailed asking that now the levy is self funding (i.e. the interest on payments to date is higher than actual expenditure on the "safety programmes') when the levy will be dropped? I wonder what the response would be and encourage others to ask some questions. Took me all off 30 seconds to do.

[Gremlin]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a thread, but leave the personal insults and attacks out of it.

All the non-thread related posts have been removed and consider this everyone's warning to keep the thread on topic.

[unstuck]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a thread, but leave the personal insults and attacks out of it.

All the non-thread related posts have been removed and consider this everyone's warning to keep the thread on topic.

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[Voltaire]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a thread, but leave the personal insults and attacks out of it.

All the non-thread related posts have been removed and consider this everyone's warning to keep the thread on topic.


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[Drew]

Wow, a proper slagging match and I didn't get to join in. I'm really losing my touch.

[swarfie]

Wow, a proper slagging match and I didn't get to join in. I'm really losing my touch.

That's alright....these children have been doing quite well by themselves:facepalm::yes::yawn:

[GrayWolf]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a thread, but leave the personal insults and attacks out of it.

All the non-thread related posts have been removed and consider this everyone's warning to keep the thread on topic.

Not me boss, like 'bill stickers' I is innocent :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://tinyurl.com/nd6tpjj

[TheDemonLord]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion on a thread, but leave the personal insults and attacks out of it.

All the non-thread related posts have been removed and consider this everyone's warning to keep the thread on topic.

Oh well,

I had fun.

[unstuck]

Not me boss, like 'bill stickers' I is innocent :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Crass song

:Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk:

[Fatt Max]

It was a giggle I must admit but this thread is to help spread the word about what MAG is doing. Fair do's I suppose


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Reckless]

It was a giggle I must admit but this thread is to help spread the word about what MAG is doing. Fair do's I suppose
Too Fat To Ride Slim

A self confessed MAG member getting into a bitch fight with Madness I doubt was the best way to "Spread the word" tho? Wasn't pretty!
Damn glad the Mod stepped in and cleaned up the thread TBH. Wasnt a good look for them the way it was?
Now maybe there will be some constructive debate for and against :cool:

[Fatt Max]

A self confessed MAG member getting into a bitch fight with Madness I doubt was the best way to "Spread the word" tho? Wasn't pretty!
Damn glad the Mod stepped in and cleaned up the thread TBH. Wasnt a good look for them the way it was?
Now maybe there will be some constructive debate for and against :cool:

Totally agree


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Fatt Max]

A self confessed MAG member getting into a bitch fight with Madness I doubt was the best way to "Spread the word" tho? Wasn't pretty!
Damn glad the Mod stepped in and cleaned up the thread TBH. Wasnt a good look for them the way it was?
Now maybe there will be some constructive debate for and against :cool:

But I was not the one doing the abusing, choosing instead to take the piss hoping our friend would bog off.

In my book that was defending them and promoting the park up this weekend.

Still it's only the Internet so hugs all round and let's get back to the action eh


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Luckylegs]

But I was not the one doing the abusing, choosing instead to take the piss hoping our friend would bog off.

In my book that was defending them and promoting the park up this weekend.

Still it's only the Internet so hugs all round and let's get back to the action eh


Too Fat To Ride Slim

You'd wanna look out for that! To the casual observer, you made yourself look every bit the bigger knob than the Madness. Just because you assume your brand of 'humour' was being silly but his posts were 'anger' is pretty naive.

You might think your funny but frankly it wears thin quite quickly!

...but like you say, on with the show :-)

[Murray]

You might think your funny but frankly it wears thin


Nothing about Fatt Max wears thin - if you know what I mean

[Drew]

I fail to understand how this protest can possibly have any positive attitude shift from the general public.

Pissing off anyone to get attention, only attracts negativity.

[Fatt Max]

I fail to understand how this protest can possibly have any positive attitude shift from the general public.

Pissing off anyone to get attention, only attracts negativity.

I agreed with that sentiment before, yet I do see a positive in this kind of action.

If they keep doing the park up's and the numbers increase each time, then it will be obvious that they are not going away. The residents of Ponsonby and Parnell will get annoyed and, with a stroke of luck, they may involve their local MP who just happens to be Nikki Kaye who is the minister for ACC. So in my humble opinion I can see some creedence in this action.

The 'Non Riding' folk have never really given a monkeys about bikers, especially the more well heeled residents of our afflunet inner city areas, but this negativity could result in the message getting to the heart of the matter, ie those that control ACC, ie the Government.

That then is bone fide protes action. Granted MAG have stated that they have a plan and I really do look forward to their further actions in whatever they do. I believe the park ups are just the beginning.

[swbarnett]

I fail to understand how this protest can possibly have any positive attitude shift from the general public.

Pissing off anyone to get attention, only attracts negativity.
And yet the only comments I heard from the general public resulting from protests around the time of the bikeoi were postive to our cause.

[Voltaire]

I agreed with that sentiment before, yet I do see a positive in this kind of action.

If they keep doing the park up's and the numbers increase each time, then it will be obvious that they are not going away. The residents of Ponsonby and Parnell will get annoyed and, with a stroke of luck, they may involve their local MP who just happens to be Nikki Kaye who is the minister for ACC. So in my humble opinion I can see some creedence in this action.

The 'Non Riding' folk have never really given a monkeys about bikers, especially the more well heeled residents of our afflunet inner city areas, but this negativity could result in the message getting to the heart of the matter, ie those that control ACC, ie the Government.

That then is bone fide protes action. Granted MAG have stated that they have a plan and I really do look forward to their further actions in whatever they do. I believe the park ups are just the beginning.

Could MAG not just go and see Niki Kaye themselves? Her office is across the road from Motomail who by chance sell motorcycle protective gear.
" Hi Nicky, Mag would like to invite you over to the Cafe at Motomail to discuss ways that the $30 levy collected of all motorcyclists could be spent to improve motorcycle safety"
or summit
Easier on the eye than Nick Smith
http://idealog.co.nz/media/images/issues/38/screen_shot_2012-02-29_at_1.03.28_pm.png

[Fatt Max]

Could MAG not just go and see Niki Kaye themselves? Her office is across the road from Motomail who by chance sell motorcycle protective gear.
" Hi Nicky, Mag would like to invite you over to the Cafe at Motomail to discuss ways that the $30 levy collected of all motorcyclists could be spent to improve motorcycle safety"
or summit
Easier on the eye than Nick Smith



That is actually a really good idea that

[Reckless]

I fail to understand how this protest can possibly have any positive attitude shift from the general public.

Pissing off anyone to get attention, only attracts negativity.

Not aimed at you Drew but
Problem with protest is it has to attract attention (otherwise it not a protest) that in its own definition will cause inconvenience.

The trick is to educate the public so the issue is bigger than the inconvenience and they see justification in your gripe or protest.
Then you have a chance to get them onside.
There will always be some that say fuck you like Madness and do their best to wreck everything your trying to achieve.
But if you can get the larger middle ground onside then your support base is starting to have some influence.

Park up's in Ponsonby might seem a little lame but where the fuck else do you start with 20 bikes that care enough to do something. I guess the silent majority are Happy with the Acc fees? NOT!

A car registration will be about say $431-00 now - 40% = $258-00 ish dollars vs a 650 bike which will remain at $591-00.
That relates to more than twice the charge on what Woodhouse intended to be a no fault system.
Are we really costing 100% more when we are a small proportion of the total injury accidents that happen?
Secondly If they are going to allocate fault or risk then its insurance, not no fault ACC.
You cant have a risk assessed system if every injury group arnt paying like dirt bikers, Cyclists and rugby players.
We are told ACC is now self funding is it only self funding for car drivers? Thats not what we where sold ACC to be??
They are also siting on the 10 mil levy pool which has made 2 mil in interest and done fuck all to help the situation??
Even Jo Public can see thats not right????

I guess what they are saying is if we take our full rights and take a full park because its costing us twice the rego fee to be a road user, this is what you get, so support us to get a fairer go??

All the above are assumptions, I do not represent MAG. I have been to one meeting and am not a member at present.
But I still am a passionate biker. I do care and we are getting shafted I reckon.
I should take my own advice and put my money where my Keyboard is because what they need most is numbers and input.
Done my bit earlier! Bikers as a group need to step up or "shut up and pay up" LOL

[Fatt Max]

Not aimed at you Drew but
Problem with protest is it has to attract attention (otherwise it not a protest) that in its own definition will cause inconvenience.

The trick is to educate the public so the issue is bigger than the inconvenience and they see justification in your gripe or protest.
Then you have a chance to get them onside.
There will always be some that say fuck you like Madness and do their best to wreck everything your trying to achieve.
But if you can get the larger middle ground onside then your support base is starting to have some influence.

Park up's in Ponsonby might seem a little lame but where the fuck else do you start with 20 bikes that care enough to do something. I guess the silent majority are Happy with the Acc fees? NOT!

A car registration will be about say $431-00 now - 40% = $258-00 ish dollars vs a 650 bike which will remain at $591-00.
That relates to more than twice the charge on what Woodhouse intended to be a no fault system.
Are we really costing 100% more when we are a small proportion of the total injury accidents that happen?
Secondly If they are going to allocate fault or risk then its insurance, not no fault ACC.
You cant have a risk assessed system if every injury group arnt paying like dirt bikers, Cyclists and rugby players.
We are told ACC is now self funding is it only self funding for car drivers? Thats not what we where sold ACC to be??
They are also siting on the 10 mil levy pool which has made 2 mil in interest and done fuck all to help the situation??
Even Jo Public can see thats not right????

I guess what they are saying is if we take our full rights and take a full park because its costing us twice the rego fee to be a road user, this is what you get, so support us to get a fairer go??

All the above are assumptions, I do not represent MAG. I have been to one meeting and am not a member at present.
But I still am a passionate biker. I do care and we are getting shafted I reckon.
I should take my own advice and put my money where my Keyboard is because what they need most is numbers and input.
Done my bit earlier! Bikers as a group need to step up or "shut up and pay up" LOL

Perfectly illustrated, what he said ^^^^


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Maha]

MAG does not need paid membership, they need support, which is FREE.
A shit load of Protest action has taken place over the years surprisingly enough, just for support the cause alone.

Learn how to harness the support you really need and the rest is easy.

Voltaire and I have the same thought. Park up outside Niki Kaye's office (making sure she is in office before hand) and don't move until she acknowledges you being there, and maybe get an invite to talk. Best of all, it's Free

[Luckylegs]

...There will always be some that say fuck you like Madness and do their best to wreck everything your trying to achieve.
Please, he did nothing even remotely like try to wreck anything. That would look like turning up to an event and deliberately undermining you or your efforts... or perhaps organising a counter group to ensure that every fuckin carpark was already occupied so you couldnt actually have your park up anywhere near the centre of deadend port or ponsoby.


...But if you can get the larger middle ground onside then your support base is starting to have some influence.
And this is there challenge. FM is right about limiting themselves to facebook to promote as there are still a number of people out there who do not frequent that "place". That said, i'd wager this thread has not done anything to capture that middle ground and like I said before this will have less to do with Madness and more to do with FM's performance.


...I guess what they are saying is if we take our full rights and take a full park because its costing us twice the rego fee to be a road user, this is what you get, so support us to get a fairer go??
I'd imagine that a fair proportion of them might agree that its a little unfair we are charged more however would reconcile this with the fact we get the benefits of missing traffic jams, running motorway onramp lane signals, generally (read generally) travelling a little over average in most conditions, being able to park anywhere.... blah blah blah blah


"shut up and pay up" LOL
I seem to recall thats what Madness was actually saying. He was more than happy to pay, so.....

[Fatt Max]

I seem to recall thats what Madness was actually saying. He was more than happy to pay, so.....

Which is cool, no problem with that but to then go off on one calling people cunts and suchlike is out of order.

Anyway enough about that geezer and as for my 'performance', well not really bothered what people think about that. My little exchanges with sir madness are totally irrelevant compared to what MAG are trying to do.




Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Voltaire]

MAG does not need paid membership, they need support, which is FREE.
A shit load of Protest action has taken place over the years surprisingly enough, just for support the cause alone.

Learn how to harness the support you really need and the rest is easy.

Voltaire and I have the same thought. Park up outside Niki Kaye's office (making sure she is in office before hand) and don't move until she acknowledges you being there and maybe get an invite tot talk.

I like my cafe over the road idea better, might not make the news but probably more constructive.

[Luckylegs]

...My little exchanges with sir madness are totally irrelevant compared to what MAG are trying to do.

The irony is, that while the park up's are what they are (and I actually do commend people for getting of their arses and putting their own time and energy into something they believe in) MAG remain more irrelevant than the goings on of this site.... Still a work in progress though eh? Good luck to them but if they cant motivate bikers who should care why do they presume joe public will?

[Reckless]

Please, he did nothing even remotely like try to wreck anything. That would look like turning up to an event and deliberately undermining you or your efforts... or perhaps organising a counter group to ensure that every fuckin carpark was already occupied so you couldnt actually have your park up anywhere near the centre of deadend port or ponsoby.

True I was referring mainly to this thread but point taken :)

And this is there challenge. FM is right about limiting themselves to facebook to promote as there are still a number of people out there who do not frequent that "place". That said, i'd wager this thread has not done anything to capture that middle ground and like I said before this will have less to do with Madness and more to do with FM's performance.

Agreed

I'd imagine that a fair proportion of them might agree that its a little unfair we are charged more however would reconcile this with the fact we get the benefits of missing traffic jams, running motorway onramp lane signals, generally (read generally) travelling a little over average in most conditions, being able to park anywhere.... blah blah blah blah

And you reckon we should be happy to pay extra for not congesting the roads for the car drivers and aiding the traffic flow? They are benefits that come free with biking (and cycling). Bikers and car drivers gain from those equally.


I seem to recall thats what Madness was actually saying. He was more than happy to pay, so....

No Madness was having a go at everything and I did say SHUT UP and pay up LOL but did say he was happy to pay.

.

Open debate is good, and what MAG needs for direction from bikers.
With that said I don't think they have ever held themselves up to represent all bikers??
They are an action group protesting issues that concern bikers as in MAG?

With that I'll retire for a while and let others have some input!
Its not my show after all and have said enough at this time.

[Murray]

By the way they have had a mention in the sideswipe section in the herald 2 days in a row. Anyone know about the one in the 70's referred to??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11380375

[Reckless]

By the way they have had a mention in the sideswipe section in the herald 2 days in a row. Anyone know about the one in the 70's referred to??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11380375

Imagine the traction you could get on the filtering laws if MAG had 2-3000 bikes and we all sat in the queue instead of filtering at spaghetti junction. Would put that tosser ticketing in Ngauranga gorge in his place. Same principle as the park ups tho I guess?? Numbers is whats needed.

[Maha]

''I don't think they have ever held themselves up to represent all bikers''

Technically, they do represent for all motorcyclists Rick, if they (by a small to no chance) succeed in getting a reduction on any Motorcycle Levy, that will effect all registered Motorbikes ....right?

No need to pay into that very slim situation ,but if it happens...all for free, win/win I will clap :clap:

[mashman]

Open debate is good, and what MAG needs for direction from bikers.
With that said I don't think they have ever held themselves up to represent all bikers??
They are an action group protesting issues that concern bikers as in MAG?

With that I'll retire for a while and let others have some input!
Its not my show after all and have said enough at this time.

Cannot bling for whatever reason... Enjoyed your posts.

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting the Sideswipe article

If I were MAG - I would be getting in touch with the Herald in order to get an Article written about this - putting through details around the protest AND advertising for the next protest

[Murray]

Interesting the Sideswipe article


I like some of the comments down the bottom

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11380375

[Luckylegs]

Open debate is good, and what MAG needs for direction from bikers.
With that said I don't think they have ever held themselves up to represent all bikers??
They are an action group protesting issues that concern bikers as in MAG?

With that I'll retire for a while and let others have some input!
Its not my show after all and have said enough at this time.

Yes, I've made my point too so I'll probably follow suit for a while although with one last thought on the subject.

...Whether they hold themselves up to represent all bikers or not (and I know this is something Madness specifically accused them of). Their actions or the perception of the action do reflect on all bikers just as my CBD to Glenfield commute probably gives some other north shorers a particular perception of 'bikers'

It would be a shame if the good will of joe public was erroded by small scale actions/annoyances before (if) it reaches some sort of critical mass whereby there was enough bikers for them to have to take notice....

Maybe??/ I think

[Reckless]

I like some of the comments down the bottom

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11380375

Cheers Murray this was interesting

Damn Good point here to

Hmm. ACC levies are higher for motorcyclists because user pays - motorbike related injuries cost more than car-related injuries. Yet alcohol-related injuries cost more than car-related injures thank to their sheer volume, and let's not forget that many of the worst vehicle injuries are related to alcohol as well.

So if it's user pays, where is the ACC levy on alcohol?

but this doesn't make sense to me??

"In 2013, 39 motorcyclists1 died and a further 1,188 were injured in road crashes. This was 15 percent of all deaths and 10 percent of all reported injuries on our roads."

Therefore the ACC rego charges don't add up??
If we are 15% of all deaths and 10% injuries of the total?
Quote from the Q&A add to this 33% Multi vehicle, motorcyclist primary responsibility
so of the 15% we are 33% at fault, so 33% of 15% total = 4.95% if you allocate risk/responsibility for fixing bikers where the accident is their fault.

So that means we are 5% at fault of the total accidents why are we paying 100% more than a car in rego?
Duh Have I got that right??

[Mom]

Interesting the Sideswipe article

If I were MAG - I would be getting in touch with the Herald in order to get an Article written about this - putting through details around the protest AND advertising for the next protest

There is a shed load more involved in getting Press interested in something like this. Matthew Dearnely is a great reporter, but if it is not news it is not worthy.

[swbarnett]

Anyone know about the one in the 70's referred to??
The way I heard it in the late '80s it was about the Auckland council by-law that stated only one motorcycle per parking space was allowed i.e. no multiple parking. It didn't take long after all the Auckland CBD spaces were taken up by motorcycles on a Friday night (no weekend shopping then) to have the bylaw repealed.

[MadDuck]

If I were MAG - I would be getting in touch with the Herald in order to get an Article written about this

MAG did contact the Herald and the lovely minister of ACC. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. It appears at the moment we are too small in number and not annoying enough despite what some say on here. The police were called and they even said we were doing nothing illegal.....so why do people get soooooo worked up about it :innocent:

We get there early and encourage everyone to have breakfast to prevent loss of business to the local cafes. As well as having people handing out leaflets and explaining why we are there.

I am definitely taking all suggestions back to the team. Thank you for your input and I appreciate those that have taken time to offer constructive criticism or considered opinion.

[nodrog]

MAG did contact the Herald and the lovely minister of ACC. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. It appears at the moment we are too small in number and not annoying enough despite what some say on here. The police were called and they even said we were doing nothing illegal.....so why do people get soooooo worked up about it :innocent:

We get there early and encourage everyone to have breakfast to prevent loss of business to the local cafes. As well as having people handing out leaflets and explaining why we are there.

I am definitely taking all suggestions back to the team. Thank you for your input and I appreciate those that have taken time to offer constructive criticism or considered opinion.

park down the main street of Paeroa early on sunday morning.

[MadDuck]

park down the main street of Paeroa early on sunday morning.

I will see you there

[Fatt Max]

MAG did contact the Herald and the lovely minister of ACC. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. It appears at the moment we are too small in number and not annoying enough despite what some say on here. The police were called and they even said we were doing nothing illegal.....so why do people get soooooo worked up about it :innocent:

We get there early and encourage everyone to have breakfast to prevent loss of business to the local cafes. As well as having people handing out leaflets and explaining why we are there.

I am definitely taking all suggestions back to the team. Thank you for your input and I appreciate those that have taken time to offer constructive criticism or considered opinion.

Such a shame some people can't see further than the end of their noses.

Good work MAG, keep on keeping on [emoji1]


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Luckylegs]

Such a shame some people can't see further than the end of their noses.

...Such a shame you couldnt let it go and had to have the final condescending word... :yawn:

[Fatt Max]

...Such a shame you couldnt let it go and had to have the final condescending word... :yawn:

Read what MD said, it's got nothing to do with having 'the last word', I was agreeing with the sentiment.




Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Luckylegs]

Read what MD said, it's got nothing to do with having 'the last word', I was agreeing with the sentiment.


I read what Mad Duck said and thought it a reasonable and informative post - They usually are! All you had to offer on the other hand was a dig at people who dont share your views.

[Murray]

...Such a shame you couldnt let it go and had to have the final condescending word... :yawn:


I read what Mad Duck said and thought it a reasonable and informative post - They usually are! All you had to offer on the other hand was a dig at people who dont share your views.

ditto I think

[Luckylegs]

ditto I think

Really? OK... I guess? :blink:

Im assumimg you meant I thought I was also being a dick as opposed to you agreeing with me.................

[Fatt Max]

I read what Mad Duck said and thought it a reasonable and informative post - They usually are! All you had to offer on the other hand was a dig at people who dont share your views.

No I was agreeing that people will slag off what MAG are trying to do without offering any kind of alternative point of view and agreeing that there will always be those with a negative outlook, just like everything in life.
I support MAG, always have. I respect opinions, always have. I don't respect abuse aimed at anyone for the sake of it.
Feel free to counter this post with a retort of your own, I will take no offence but please see that I am looking at this from one side of the room and respect all opinions.
Is that ok with you?


Too Fat To Ride Slim

[Luckylegs]

No I was agreeing that people will slag off what MAG are trying to do without offering any kind of alternative point of view and agreeing that there will always be those with a negative outlook, just like everything in life.
I support MAG, always have. I respect opinions, always have. I don't respect abuse aimed at anyone for the sake of it.
Feel free to counter this post with a retort of your own, I will take no offence but please see that I am looking at this from one side of the room and respect all opinions.
Is that ok with you?

Best we just talk about Mag eh?

[Fatt Max]

Best we just talk about Mag eh?

All good with me mate

[Madness]

so why do people get soooooo worked up about it

It's a pom thing, apparently.

A number of pro-MAG posters in this thread have stated quite clearly their belief that if you don't support MAG you should shut the fuck up. I disagree strongly with this sentiment (in case that is not clear). Woop-de-fucking-doo. It's a thread on KB and I'll post what the fuck I like, not what you like. This isn't Facebook, grow a fucking pair.

I think it's sad that people, in particular Fatt Max, go on about welcoming open discussion and alternative points of view yet cannot seem to accept the alternative point of view that the perceived "issue" is not significant enough to warrant protest in the first place. If people go back to the first page of this thread and read the thread in its (now much shorter, thanks Grem - love your work buddy) entirety, it's very clear that there are a number of posters that seem to share that point of view and one can only assume that at least some, if not all of these people are rego-paying motorcyclists, not just random muppets from Devonport or Ponsonby who maybe think motorcycles should be banned already.

I disagree with the park-up "strategy" and I don't appear to be alone on that either (quelle suprise). It's frustrating that some pro-MAG posters fail to understand that disagreeing with the park-up "strategy" does not automatically demand that an alternative form of protest "action" be put forward in lieu by the person disagreeing. See above. It's disappointing that the best MAG can come up with is a "strategy" of annoyance that not only inconveniences other innocent parties, but also requires a degree of "luck" and/or "chance" before having any actual effect. It's a stupid strategy but it's pleasing to see that this thread may have put some fresh ideas in front of the masterminds at MAG, if nothing else (other than to out Max as a giant (no pun intended) raving homosexual).

For those posters who might be seen to be claiming the idea of parking outside Nikki Kaye's office, please step aside as I believe nzspokes mentioned that first (OMFG,IKR,LOL). Hats off to spokes for that one, my nominee for thread winner outright :first:

It's been suggested by several people that if I don't like what MAG are doing, then I should join them and try and influence them from within. What a load of hose shit. If I disagree with ISIL, the Catholic Church or the National Party, should I also join those organisations to try and influence them and change their direction? Fucking dreamers.

Mad Duck, I'm sorry I called you a cunt. If nothing else, I hope maybe it prepares you for when the grumpy old jew from Ponsonby says it to your face when he can't park his Volvo outside the wine shop because yous fullas are having an "action".

I don't think it's my use of the word cunt that's drawn so much response (hi Murray, I know you're reading this :motu:) or that I used it in addressing a woman. I think instead that the response I seem to have received from my use of the word cunt, including an unsolicited relentless campaign of childish homosexual harassment via PMs, is because I used it in addressing MAG - hero of the biker and the "I'll support them no matter what" ideology deems this to be blasphemous. Sorry, but that's a load of utter, utter bullshit.

Good luck to MAG, you'll need it if you're ever going to make it from Sideswipe to the actual news pages and hopefully not to the winding up notices in the process. You might want to consider keeping a certain English MAGNZ member away from the media, he might inadvertently come across a lesbian reporter and I'm sure that would end badly.

[GrayWolf]

It's a pom thing, apparently.
the topic is MAG, not pom's, another pointless sentence

A number of pro-MAG posters in this thread have stated quite clearly their belief that if you don't support MAG you should shut the fuck up. I disagree strongly with this sentiment (in case that is not clear)........ I think it's sad that people, in particular Fatt Max, go on about welcoming open discussion and alternative points of view yet cannot seem to accept the alternative point of view that the perceived "issue" is not significant enough to warrant protest in the first place. If people go back to the first page of this thread and read the thread in its entirety, it's very clear that there are a number of posters that seem to share that point of view and one can only assume that at least some, if not all of these people are rego-paying motorcyclists, not just random muppets from Devonport or Ponsonby who maybe think motorcycles should be banned already.
I cant see anyone form ponsonby or devonport saying bikes should be 'banned already' in the thread. There is discussion and simple negative gainsaying for the sake of being arbitrary. You dont have to come up with a solution, but if you want to be taken seriously, which I in all honestly doubt, an alternative is often a good point to have. Even if it is not viable, it at least shows you have given consideration to the subject, rather than just insist on 'shooting everyone down in flames'. I also pay my rego, although I have no 'issue' with paying rego, I do think we are both overcharged and the $30 levy is being wasted, (and likely eventually will be sucked into the general fund in the future). Just performing negative gainsaying is not discussion, I am sure Max etc would welcome just that from you.

I disagree with the park-up "strategy" and I don't appear to be alone on that either (quelle suprise). It's frustrating that some pro-MAG posters fail to understand that disagreeing with the park-up "strategy" does not automatically demand that an alternative form of protest "action" be put forward in lieu by the person disagreeing. See above. It's disappointing that the best MAG can come up with is a "strategy" of annoyance that not only inconveniences other innocent parties, but also requires a degree of "luck" and/or "chance" before having any actual effect. It's a stupid strategy but it's pleasing to see that this thread may have put some fresh ideas in front of the masterminds at MAG, if nothing else (other than to out Max as a giant (no pun intended) raving homosexual).
I also think the 'park up' is not going to be a highly effective strategy, unless it could be rolled out nationwide, which is doubtful. I went to both protests outside Parliment, the second one we knew was not going to be effective, and we all know in reality the first one was anticipated and planned for in the projected ACC/Rego levy proposed. MAG UK was and has been effective historically, but it needs numbers. For me, I see a lot of 'summer weekend warriors' on bikes, and no, like you, they wont give a flying fuck, because the bike is a toy to them. Full time motorcyclists are a very small number, in an already minority group.

................
It's been suggested by several people that if I don't like what MAG are doing, then I should join them and try and influence them from within. What a load of hose shit. If I disagree with ISIL, the Catholic Church or the National Party, should I also join those organisations to try and influence them and change their direction? Fucking dreamers.
not at all, but as is done on a global scale, support is given active or passive. Yes you of course have a right to bag, demean and decry others. However at least two of those groups you mentioned would remove that right. I bet you'd get off your arse if they really threatened your way of life? So no, dont join MAG, just because, but whether you like it, or not, they are 'fighting' on your behalf on things that do and will effect you personally

Mad Duck, I'm sorry I called you a cunt. If nothing else, ........ grumpy old jew .....I don't think it's my use of the word cunt that's drawn so much response (hi Murray, I know you're reading this :motu:) or that I used it in addressing a woman............including an unsolicited relentless campaign of childish homosexual harassment via PMs,.

the last bit I will reply to here...
you apologise to MD, and complain that you have been harassed with 'homosexual attacks' in PM, yet in this 'abridged' post, you call max a homosexual, refer to a 'grumpy old jew' instead of grumpy old man. Does the fact he may, or may not be jewish have any relevance to the topic (MAG)?
Not one iota!
Also just to remind you Mr hypocrite, almost every red rep you give me, has the words, gay, old cunt, faggot etc in them. So stop whining like the bitch you are. I think you reap what you sew, then cry about it.

[Fatt Max]

It's a pom thing, apparently.

Is it...?....must give my mum am ring and find out

A number of pro-MAG posters in this thread have stated quite clearly their belief that if you don't support MAG you should shut the fcuk up. I disagree strongly with this sentiment (in case that is not clear). Woop-de-fukuing-doo. It's a thread on KB and I'll post what the fcuk I like, not what you like. This isn't Facebook, grow a fcuking pair.

I think its more the case of if you don’t support it then at least try and be either constructive or dismissive, but not abusive. Check out your post on this thread at 23:4 on 25th January 2015. I do agree with your right to post on KB as free speech and healthy debate is a good thing. For that I commend you.

I think it's sad that people, in particular Fatt Max, go on about welcoming open discussion and alternative points of view yet cannot seem to accept the alternative point of view that the perceived "issue" is not significant enough to warrant protest in the first place. If people go back to the first page of this thread and read the thread in its (now much shorter, thanks Grem - love your work buddy) entirety, it's very clear that there are a number of posters that seem to share that point of view and one can only assume that at least some, if not all of these people are rego-paying motorcyclists, not just random muppets from Devonport or Ponsonby who maybe think motorcycles should be banned already.

I know there are two and maybe even three sides to this debate and welcome them. But if mismanagement of funds paid for by those, like you and me, who pay their rego’s, then thats your business. Bur carte blanche abuse of those trying to do something which at the very least will save us some hard earned dough if successful i snot a bad thing I would consider.

I disagree with the park-up "strategy" and I don't appear to be alone on that either (quelle suprise). It's frustrating that some pro-MAG posters fail to understand that disagreeing with the park-up "strategy" does not automatically demand that an alternative form of protest "action" be put forward in lieu by the person disagreeing. See above. It's disappointing that the best MAG can come up with is a "strategy" of annoyance that not only inconveniences other innocent parties, but also requires a degree of "luck" and/or "chance" before having any actual effect.

Yes I agree that so far the park ups have not changed the world on this issue, but its a start, and MAG have been very open with their direction that plans are in place and all will be revealed in due course. I look forward to what that will be.

If it was your protest and your action and someone dismissed it completely and abusively, would you not want to know what their better ideas would be? Yes you are more than entitled to your opinion and everyone else is more than entitled to challenge it.

It's a stupid strategy but it's pleasing to see that this thread may have put some fresh ideas in front of the masterminds at MAG,

And I am sure they welcome all comments made on here regarding their actions

if nothing else (other than to out Max as a giant (no pun intended) raving homosexual).

Oh my darling, people have known that for years xxx
For those posters who might be seen to be claiming the idea of parking outside Nikki Kaye's office, please step aside as I believe nzspokes mentioned that first (OMFG,IKR,LOL). Hats off to spokes for that one, my nominee for thread winner outright :first:

Yes and I agree, a great idea supplemented by Voltaire who suggested inviting her for a coffee across the road at Motomail to discuss the issue. That I felt was a top idea.

It's been suggested by several people that if I don't like what MAG are doing, then I should join them and try and influence them from within. What a load of HORSE shit (fixed that for you babes).

If I disagree with ISIL, the Catholic Church or the National Party, should I also join those organisations to try and influence them and change their direction? Fcuking dreamers.

Actually I never looked at it that way and you are dead right, its an excellent point

Mad Duck, I'm sorry I called you a cnut. If nothing else, I hope maybe it prepares you for when the grumpy old jew from Ponsonby says it to your face when he can't park his Volvo outside the wine shop because yous fullas are having an "action".

Any protest I can think of no matter what size, about what issue or in whatever shape or form will always cause someone to have a go in public, and I know there are those in MAG who are more than capable of handling that kind of abuse. You once again do make a good point, it is to be expected from Joe Public no matter what they do.

I don't think it's my use of the word cnut that's drawn so much response (hi Murray, I know you're reading this :motu:) or that I used it in addressing a woman. I think instead that the response I seem to have received from my use of the word cnut, including an unsolicited relentless campaign of childish homosexual harassment via PMs, is because I used it in addressing MAG - hero of the biker and the "I'll support them no matter what" ideology deems this to be blasphemous. Sorry, but that's a load of utter, utter bullsiht.

Well I’m sorry you cant take a joke hun

Good luck to MAG, you'll need it if you're ever going to make it from Sideswipe to the actual news pages and hopefully not to the winding up notices in the process.

Yes indeed, the media are very challenging and I am sure MAG will do what they can to make the inroads that are so needed

You might want to consider keeping a certain English MAGNZ member away from the media, he might inadvertently come across a lesbian reporter and I'm sure that would end badly.

Dagenham Dave will be gutted when he finds out.

Couple of things. I am not representing MAG here, I am trying to cast the net wider by publishing their events on KB. This was done with their permission and if they no longer want me to do this then I am sure they will let me know.
Second point, I hope this post is not seen as causing trouble, I am responding to a free debate on open forum without abusive language or intention. Its called an opinion and like everyone else I have a right to express it.

[Maha]

You have (by default) become their unofficial spokesman on here Mark, that's how most see it mate. Personally, I can't phantom why the hell you feel the need to continue with the niggle, knowing it will only cause a response. It can only have a negative effect on the wanting support for MAG.


''This was done with their permission'' Really? MAG gave you permission to respond to Madness?

You see what I mean by unofficial spokesman?

[Fatt Max]

You have (by default) become their unofficial spokesman on here Mark, that's how most see it mate. Personally, I can't phantom why the hell you feel the need to continue with the niggle, knowing it will only cause a response. It can only have a negative effect on the wanting support for MAG.


''This was done with their permission'' Really? MAG gave you permission to respond to Madness?

You see what I mean by unofficial spokesman?

No they gave me permission to publicise their events, and I quote:

I am trying to cast the net wider by publishing their events on KB. This was done with their permission

And my last post was not niggle in a negative sense, I was infact agreeing with a lot of what he said and replying to his valid points in general.

If MAG dont want me to post on this thread anymore then I will let them tell me, otherwise I shall post merrily away, its a free country isnt it?

[Drew]

Fuck sakes there are some long winded bulshit posts in this thread.

I don't much care about the cost of registering a bike. Let the plate die on my bike years ago.

If this works, perhaps it will be cost effective to go the legal route again...I highly doubt it though.

[bogan]

Fuck sakes there are some long winded bulshit posts in this thread.

I don't much care about the cost of registering a bike. Let the plate die on my bike years ago.

If this works, perhaps it will be cost effective to go the legal route again...I highly doubt it though.

Which in itself is fine, (my plate is still active but the rego is not), but that doesn't exclude you (nor me or any other poster) from having a valid opinion about biker's rights and whether MAG are doing a good job or not.

When you think about it, the longest winded posts are the ones which only say I care not for this issue in any degree, but I do care that you should know how I feel about not caring... :bleh:

[Drew]

Which in itself is fine, (my plate is still active but the rego is not), but that doesn't exclude you (nor me or any other poster) from having a valid opinion about biker's rights and whether MAG are doing a good job or not.

When you think about it, the longest winded posts are the ones which only say I care not for this issue in any degree, but I do care that you should know how I feel about not caring... :bleh:

Reg on hold is a demerit offense. Dead plate ticket is cheaper.

[bogan]

Reg on hold is a demerit offense. Dead plate ticket is cheaper.

Is it? Reckon the ability to bluff through an on-hold offense might be higher though...

[Drew]

Is it? Reckon the ability to bluff through an on-hold offense might be higher though...

They won't wear it in my experience.

[Fatt Max]

Just a reminder about the next MAG park up tomorrow


MAG are holding another park up event this Saturday, 21st February 2015 in Auckland

Meeting time is 7.30am at the Caltex, 163 Fanshawe Street and from there they will be making their way to Ponsonby.

Cheers my dears

[KiwiGeek]

Plus stop falling off the fucking things and the ACC will lower.

It won't until those dickhead cow humpers stop riding their quads like they are racing at Le Mans rather than riding for a bit of rumpty pumpty with Daisy behind the milking sheds.

[FJRider]

..... Plus stop falling off the fucking things and the ACC will lower. Jesus the $ I've spent on ACC and not retrieved one cent. Must fall off more often.

Actually ... "Falling off the fucking things" is secondary to Policy.

The RISK of "Falling off the fucking things" is the moot point with ACC ... (such is the basis of insurance)

[Fatt Max]

Oh dear oh dear......

Had my membership of MAG cancelled by the commitee

It's cos I put nasty wordsis on Facebook

Whatever you do, don't upset the church of Facebook or by thunder you will bear the brute force of a cancellation email

MAG.......Moaners And Groaners

I'm off for a good cry and some ice cream....snif....😝

[AllanB]

Actually ... "Falling off the fucking things" is secondary to Policy.

The RISK of "Falling off the fucking things" is the moot point with ACC ... (such is the basis of insurance)

But the risk they calculate is based on actual falling off records. Stop falling off and the stats will lower as will the calculated risk of one actually falling off.

Same as you standard insurance cover - clean claims records gets the lowest premium.

[AllanB]

Oh dear oh dear......

Had my membership of MAG cancelled by the commitee

It's cos I put nasty wordsis on Facebook

Whatever you do, don't upset the church of Facebook or by thunder you will bear the brute force of a cancellation email

MAG.......Moaners And Groaners

I'm off for a good cry and some ice cream....snif....😝

Get a refund?

Maybe they should have discussed your dissatisfaction with them (I presume is was a unhappy FB post) with a view to improving. Can't say I give a shit about the organisation and question their ability to influence anyone in power.

[Madness]

Maybe they're not such a bunch of complete dickheads after all?

[Mike.Gayner]

Maybe they're not such a bunch of complete dickheads after all?

No they still are.

[FJRider]

But the risk they calculate is based on actual falling off records. Stop falling off and the stats will lower as will the calculated risk of one actually falling off.

Same as you standard insurance cover - clean claims records gets the lowest premium.

Not every motorcyclist that falls off ... will / did require the same level of medical and financial assistance. Levies are set to recover possible medical and financial assistance that motorcyclists may need.

Not every motorcyclist falls off ... but all (those that pay rego) pay the levy.

ACC levies have dropped in some cases .. but as long as motorcyclists continue to fall off (not just reduce the numbers) ... it is unlikely to reduce the levy demanded. Simply because of the risk of falling off.

The motorcycle crashes that have no other vehicle involved ... do not help the situation.

[Fatt Max]

Get a refund?

Maybe they should have discussed your dissatisfaction with them (I presume is was a unhappy FB post) with a view to improving. Can't say I give a shit about the organisation and question their ability to influence anyone in power.

Didn't want the money back, I asked them to donate it to the Westpac helicopter

The commitee may need an air lift to hospital with severe cry baby eyes if someone is not nice to them on their cuddly wuddly Facebook page

[RGVforme]

Oh dear oh dear......

Had my membership of MAG cancelled by the commitee

It's cos I put nasty wordsis on Facebook

Whatever you do, don't upset the church of Facebook or by thunder you will bear the brute force of a cancellation email

MAG.......Moaners And Groaners

I'm off for a good cry and some ice cream....snif....��

Pissing people off by taking up all the carparks posting guards to staunch out all the cars that try and park there then expecting them to listen and understand what their problem is.They are probably still wondering why its not catching on.A different breed up there for sure.:no: