What's happened to all the track day threads?

[FROSTY]

used to see heaps of threads about the different track days around the country. Now seems they barely feature.
Those hampton downs evening sessions look fun

[nzspokes]

used to see heaps of threads about the different track days around the country. Now seems they barely feature.
Those hampton downs evening sessions look fun

Have been on a few ART day threads but less people seem interested.

[tigertim20]

used to see heaps of threads about the different track days around the country. Now seems they barely feature.
Those hampton downs evening sessions look fun

noticed that too. few of the trackdays Ive been to have had low numbers - great for me as more sessions = more time on track. Have told organisers at almost every one that Id attend alot more of the if they were advertised on places like kb etc, and all I get in response is a shrug and a mumbled excuse as to why they arent advertised.

[Maha]

Better things to do with their days off than go around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and stop.... stand around getting all hot and bothered then go around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and stop again.

[nzspokes]

noticed that too. few of the trackdays Ive been to have had low numbers - great for me as more sessions = more time on track. Have told organisers at almost every one that Id attend alot more of the if they were advertised on places like kb etc, and all I get in response is a shrug and a mumbled excuse as to why they arent advertised.

And the advertising they do have is quite poor.

[nzspokes]

Better things to do with their days off than go around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and stop.... stand around getting all hot and bothered then go around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and around and stop again.

Never done one then huh?

[eldog]

And the advertising they do have is quite poor.

would agree with you there.

You have been putting in a fine effort though.

I can see the benefit, I guess most noobs like myself, would be deterred by the fact, they know that they cant go fast (me is one) and don't want to look a fool.

Somehow need to blend road rider training with a track day for noobs.....
no one else that day just noobs, ok so it could be 2 days.
split the noobs into small groups so its almost one on one
have a session first to split the new ones and more proficient ones
I reckon that would be a goer.

it would require a great effort to do.

but they need a great deal more advertising and user feedback to encourage people to give it a go.

[The End]

I can see the benefit, I guess most noobs like myself, would be deterred by the fact, they know that they cant go fast (me is one) and don't want to look a fool.



Just because you are slow doesn't mean you look like a fool. Better to turn up at one of these track days and go at your own pace, than try to ride to the pace of someone else and come off. It's the people who come off and take up session time getting their bike/oil spill cleaned up who look like the fools.

Plenty of 'noobs' in the lower group. There will always be someone faster and always someone slower than you. The important part is to get out there and have a go. :scooter:

[eldog]

Just because you are slow doesn't mean you look like a fool. Better to turn up at one of these track days and go at your own pace, than try to ride to the pace of someone else and come off. It's the people who come off and take up session time getting their bike/oil spill cleaned up who look like the fools.

Plenty of 'noobs' in the lower group. There will always be someone faster and always someone slower than you. The important part is to get out there and have a go. :scooter:


I was referring to those who don't go and perhaps never will.
My first group ride I made a mistake of trying to ride at others peoples pace. I didnt want to look like an idiot.
That was my experience, I want others to be aware they need to ride their own pace- 'self responsibility' I call it.
Its a reason I haven't been to a track day. I want to be confident in what I am doing. The instructors will tell me what to do, I just need to be able to do it confidently.

Next year should be a good time to get a bike, and try it for me. I wont be worried about the speed just the technique.

[nzspokes]

Just because you are slow doesn't mean you look like a fool. Better to turn up at one of these track days and go at your own pace, than try to ride to the pace of someone else and come off. It's the people who come off and take up session time getting their bike/oil spill cleaned up who look like the fools.

Plenty of 'noobs' in the lower group. There will always be someone faster and always someone slower than you. The important part is to get out there and have a go. :scooter:

Agreed. There will always be somebody slower and faster. Its not about speed.

[DamianW]

Not sure I agree about dwindling numbers going to TD's - take HD for example. Since last August I've been four times and three of those days were oversubscribed (20 December being the exception but understandable so close to Xmas). As for advertising, not sure organisers need to - for those peeps remotely interested in going to a TD then hop on to the hampton downs, Taupo (or any other) track website for dates. They're not kept a secret by any means :) I'm personally looking forward to the ART day on 15 Feb and Taupo on 21 March. Hope to say hello to a few like-minded peeps :)

[eldog]

Not sure I agree about dwindling numbers going to TD's - take HD for example. Since last August I've been four times and three of those days were oversubscribed (20 December being the exception but understandable so close to Xmas). As for advertising, not sure organisers need to - for those peeps remotely interested in going to a TD then hop on to the hampton downs, Taupo (or any other) track website for dates. They're not kept a secret by any means :) I'm personally looking forward to the ART day on 15 Feb and Taupo on 21 March. Hope to say hello to a few like-minded peeps :)

then why are we getting the 'we need more people or the track days will stop' message?

I still think they should advertise, and get more people involved, seems like a good thing.
Describe in more detail what happens/needed, put contact details blah blah bah.
What the requirements/costs are: track, transport, tyres, petrol, gear

the more people who do track days, maybe less accidents on the road, less ACC $
its about learning what the bike an rider can do = control right?

Yes they should try and get more people to book in advance, but that's hard these days with so much other stuff going on.

There will always be the few hard core who are the back bone of these events - poor buggers(I used to be one for another cause).

[Maha]

Never done one then huh?

Better things to spend my money on than 'acing turn 5' and letting everyone on one's FB friends list, that it was the highlight of the day. :corn:

[nzspokes]

Better things to spend my money on than 'acing turn 5' and letting everyone on one's FB friends list, that it was the highlight of the day. :corn:

You should give it a try, never know you may learn a heap.

[DamianW]

Better things to spend my money on than 'acing turn 5' and letting everyone on one's FB friends list, that it was the highlight of the day. :corn:

The economics of bikes intrigues me.

People will throw money at all manner of bike-specific farkles and other paraphernalia that's worth little to eff all when on selling their ride; but when it comes to stumping up a few bucks for a full days skills development then they back off all of a sudden with a plethora of why it ain't justified.

More than a few riders in NZ and far off places have told me that one days worth of track coaching equates to 5-10 years of road riding experience. There will be a fair few naysayers in response to this but there's no doubt that I'm a better road rider for getting track time under my belt.

At the end of the day, it's about personal choice but I'd encourage people to give one track day a go and then decide.

[Maha]

:facepalm: ''More than a few riders in NZ and far off places have told me that one days worth of track coaching equates to 5-10 years of road riding experience''

Bullshit :laugh:
I have been riding 11 years, all that I have learned could have been done in one track day?.... honestly, what a twat :brick:

[DamianW]

So you're in the No camp then? :D

PS I said track coaching not track day, they ain't the same...

[Maha]

So you're in the No camp then? :D

PS I said track coaching not track day, they ain't the same...

But you still believe that up to 10 years of road riding experience can be achieved in one coaching session at a track?...
Think I just found my new sig...:niceone:

[DamianW]

But you still believe that up to 10 years of road riding experience can be achieved in one coaching session at a track?...
Think I just found my new sig...:niceone:

Mate, I haven't said that I believe it. What I said is that others have shared that view. It was more to emphasise the point that some folks believe there is long term benefits to doing the odd session at a track.

Don't know why you're so wound up.

[Maha]

Mate, I haven't said that I believe it. What I said is that others have shared that view. It was more to emphasise the point that some folks believe there is long term benefits to doing the odd session at a track.

Don't know why you're so wound up.

I am laughing at ya mate, not wound up at all. What you have heard.. couldn't be more wrong and it was foolish to post such a bullshit sentence.
Who were these ''people'' anyway? any names you can share?

[DamianW]

Foolish? Thanks for the judgement.

As for substantiating this view.
One group was here in NZ at two days of CSS I attended last March. More than 90 riders were there and many had ridden countless hundreds of thousands of clicks over their 30+ year riding careers. In every case of those guys they wished they had learned the drills years earlier. Some even went as far to say that they could've have avoided bad crashes if they'd used the techniques taught in the CSS drills.

No worries either way, each to their own and all that.

Of course, you're pre-supposing 11 years experience trumps the combined experience of the CSS coaches, support staff, and erm the sheer number of students attending. Now that's funny...

[Maha]

Of course, you're pre-supposing 11 years experience trumps the combined experience of the CSS coaches, support staff, and erm the sheer number of students attending. Now that's funny...

Just keep on amusing yourself by making shit up in a lame effort to remedy your previous massive wank statement. :clap:

[nzspokes]

:facepalm: ''More than a few riders in NZ and far off places have told me that one days worth of track coaching equates to 5-10 years of road riding experience''

Bullshit :laugh:
I have been riding 11 years, all that I have learned could have been done in one track day?.... honestly, what a twat :brick:

Thats not what he said if you read your own quote. Yes you learn a lot at a track coaching day.

ART day next Sunday.........

[nzspokes]

Foolish? Thanks for the judgement.

As for substantiating this view.
One group was here in NZ at two days of CSS I attended last March. More than 90 riders were there and many had ridden countless hundreds of thousands of clicks over their 30+ year riding careers. In every case of those guys they wished they had learned the drills years earlier. Some even went as far to say that they could've have avoided bad crashes if they'd used the techniques taught in the CSS drills.

No worries either way, each to their own and all that.

Of course, you're pre-supposing 11 years experience trumps the combined experience of the CSS coaches, support staff, and erm the sheer number of students attending. Now that's funny...

What are the CSS days like? Ive done ART days but not a CSS day.

[Bikemad]

I am laughing at ya mate, not wound up at all. What you have heard.. couldn't be more wrong and it was foolish to post such a bullshit sentence.
Who were these ''people'' anyway? any names you can share?

jeez......have you been drinking today Mark?
you seem a little more confrontational than usual
I for one would be happy to say that after 30 years of riding i found benefit in doing track days in terms of learning what my bike is capable of with braking,cornering and throttle control
and it's fucking great fun

[DamianW]

What are the CSS days like? Ive done ART days but not a CSS day.

In short, the school is superb.

Here's a link to the CSS UK schools vids showing what you can expect:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1130802956

Levels 1 - 4 with each level broken down in to one day drills that are covered individually. Level 1 and 2 covers braking, reference points (3-step), cornering lines,
throttle control, vision and a heap of theory in between track sessions. Level 3 is mainly focused on body position/bike geometry and level 4 is tailored coaching specific to each rider.

It's a good idea to read through a copy Keith Codes Twist of the Wrist 2 book beforehand. As many of the concepts are covered in his book. The DVD is also on YouTube and a good watch.

March at HD is full but there's a school at Taupo (most likely venue) in November. Will be going back for level 3 and 4 then (was going next month but parent-school-camp-helper commitments got in the way).

In the meantime I'm looking forward to ART next weekend (Group 2). I've heard a lot of good things about how it's run. Will say g'day.

[nzspokes]

In short, the school is superb.

Here's a link to the CSS UK schools vids showing what you can expect:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1130802956

Levels 1 - 4 with each level broken down in to one day drills that are covered individually. Level 1 and 2 covers braking, reference points (3-step), cornering lines,
throttle control, vision and a heap of theory in between track sessions. Level 3 is mainly focused on body position/bike geometry and level 4 is tailored coaching specific to each rider.

It's a good idea to read through a copy Keith Codes Twist of the Wrist 2 book beforehand. As many of the concepts are covered in his book. The DVD is also on YouTube and a good watch.

March at HD is full but there's a school at Taupo (most likely venue) in November. Will be going back for level 3 and 4 then (was going next month but parent-school-camp-helper commitments got in the way).

In the meantime I'm looking forward to ART next weekend (Group 2). I've heard a lot of good things about how it's run. Will say g'day.

Cool Im G2 as well. I will be the old fat dude on a red VTR holding you up. :laugh:

[Maha]

Thats not what he said if you read your own quote. Yes you learn a lot at a track coaching day.

ART day next Sunday.........

It's exactly what he said.


jeez......have you been drinking today Mark?
you seem a little more confrontational than usual
I for one would be happy to say that after 30 years of riding I found benefit in doing track days in terms of learning what my bike is capable of with braking, cornering and throttle control

My usual one beer after work.
There is no doubt that any tuition would be beneficial for those who feel they need it, even those who feel they don't need it.
I have been riding with someone who had an ART day or two but was atrocious on the road. But then that person had done very little road riding.
Once you think you know everything, you're in trouble right?

[nzspokes]

Once you think you know everything, you're in trouble right?

Which is why we still try to learn.

[Madness]

I have been riding 11 years...

n00b


:msn-wink:

[DamianW]

Maha, when was the last time you or anyone else critiqued your riding? My self-assessment is daily and in all weathers :humble:

Btw, Prorider Ride Forever Gold and Silver courses are a good day out and provide an invaluable opportunity for coaching and feedback on general roadcraft. Chris Smith is an excellent coach and the student coach ratio is only 4:1 :up:

[eldog]

Maha, when was the last time you or anyone else critiqued your riding? My self-assessment is daily and in all weathers :humble:

Btw, Prorider Ride Forever Gold and Silver courses are a good day out and provide an invaluable opportunity for coaching and feedback on general roadcraft. Chris Smith is an excellent coach and the student coach ratio is only 4:1 :up:

I did a Prorider Bronze course - I did learn quite a bit, how far behind I was on the skills, How I didn't need to race, how most riders had no idea about whats around them, how they raced around corners regardless of road position and the gear they wore. How I enjoyed watching from the back-o I didn't get run over.

Don't get me wrong - They were told in the strongest terms, whether they listened who knows?

yes quite a few things have stuck - which is good

Are there other people besides Chris? We didn't meet in the best manner.

I prefer 1:1 so I am going back to Phil at RiderSkills for a refresher, I need the 1:1 and I need to be told.

[FROSTY]

maha --long time no see matey. how didya get on with that track bike you were building for buckets?

[DamianW]

Are there other people besides Chris?

Yes, there's a team of coaches each of which look after specific geographies. To find out more go to the bottom of this page for a list of courses, dates and venues. Btw, Prorider also do track coaching at Pukekohe.

http://www.prorider.co.nz/motorcycle-training-courses.php?course=31

[DamianW]

Just keep on amusing yourself by making shit up in a lame effort to remedy your previous massive wank statement. :clap:

Now if you can be bothered to read and learn something you'll get a flavour of how many years a track coaching session is worth (according to some) from these rider testimonials:

http://www.superbikeschool.com/student-quotes/

Need anymore 'names' fella? Lmfao

[James Deuce]

More than a few riders in NZ and far off places have told me that one days worth of track coaching equates to 5-10 years of road riding experience.


Utter bullshit. The track and the road have no natural interface. The only commonality is that you're riding a motorcycle.

I wish the myth that being able to control a motorcycle at speed, in a controlled environment = "super road skills". People who ride on the road need way more training about risk control in an uncontrolled environment. Superb observation skills are more useful on the road than being able to tune a corner entry to perfection. There's a cavernous gap between braking on the road and braking on the track. Braking on a track is adjusting your velocity to minimise the amount of time you spend off the throttle. On the road you need to be able to to do everything from trickle along using the rear brake to help control an inherently unstable platform to coming to a dead stop at open road speed as quickly as possible.

Yes, yes, you learn what a motorcycle can REALLY do on a race track. You don't learn how to spot a junction between a main highway and driveway by spotting two rows of poplars leading from a house down behind a hill the road is curving behind.

Track days do not create better road riders.

I don't care what names you quote, they ALL have an interest the Superbike School as a business. And that's fine, there's nowt wrong with business, especially one that cool. But claiming that "1 track day is 5-10 years worth of road riding" is dangerously irresponsible. The two environments could not be more different.

[DamianW]

^ I'm not making the claim Jimmy - others are. I'm just stating that 'other riders have made the point'. Clearly you and the other bloke read what you want. Btw, the testimonials are customer testimonials - the school just publishes what customers state. What's so contrived about that FFS?

[James Deuce]

Customers just spent money "honing their skills", plus they have had a day of exercising their adrenal gland. Ego demands they say it was brilliant and they came away from it a shit load better than they went into it.

I didn't read anything into what you said or the customer testimonials. It's the same thing I've seen claimed for years and there's never any quantity or quality of data to back the claim up. Only justifiably excited ravings from people who just had the time of their lives. I know what it's like. I LOVE it. But it has never added any capability to my road riding, at all.

[DamianW]

^ Maybe it's just you and a minority whose riding hasn't benefited whilst many others have? Just saying.

[James Deuce]

I don't think you're reading what I'm saying. The road is orders of magnitude more dangerous than the track and the skill set required is completely different. Because of track time, if I encounter a corner that tightens I don't spaz and end up in a field, because pegs and pipes scraping isn't a big deal. But, and I'll repeat it it to see if you do read, the way you use the brakes on a track are completely different to the road. All you're doing is setting your entry speed at a point that allows you to get back on the throttle at the earliest opportunity. Ride like that on the road and you are begging the universe to chuck you a massive surprise when you least need it.

The only data you have to support your assertion is anecdotal and I'm pretty sure that ACC could draw a different conclusion that track days make road riders take more unnecessary risks if they could be bothered finding out if people had been to a track day before their single vehicle, no other mitigating factors, mid-corner high speed biff into a hedge.

[clmintie]

Hi Frosty, nice to hear from you the other day. Yes Trackdays are alive and well. I go to most of them at Hampton Downs with cameras, have a look here www.clmintiepix.co.nz and you'll get an idea of who and what sort of bikes and riders attend. very well organised by the guys at http://www.playdayontrack.co.nz/news.php and a great place to hang out... See you there soon...

[DamianW]

I don't think you're reading what I'm saying. The road is orders of magnitude more dangerous than the track and the skill set required is completely different. Because of track time, if I encounter a corner that tightens I don't spaz and end up in a field, because pegs and pipes scraping isn't a big deal. But, and I'll repeat it it to see if you do read, the way you use the brakes on a track are completely different to the road. All you're doing is setting your entry speed at a point that allows you to get back on the throttle at the earliest opportunity. Ride like that on the road and you are begging the universe to chuck you a massive surprise when you least need it.

The only data you have to support your assertion is anecdotal and I'm pretty sure that ACC could draw a different conclusion that track days make road riders take more unnecessary risks if they could be bothered finding out if people had been to a track day before their single vehicle, no other mitigating factors, mid-corner high speed biff into a hedge.

On the increased dangers of road riding I don't disagree with you at all. I'm not even sure why there's a debate on why roads are different to tracks. As for using the brakes, it is quite normal to trail brakes on a public road in some circumstances for smoothing corner entry. It's also good to use body position to pivot the bike, again in some circumstances eg. to shift central mass, use less lean and maximise traction on decreasing radius turns. These techniques certainly work on the Coro Loop run. But anyway I digress.

If according to your logic, it were true that track training makes a rider inherently higher risk on the road then I don't think the head coach of CSS Aus/NZ would have his own full page monthly slot in BR Mag. Almost everything contained in those articles applies to the road - controlling 'Survival Reactions' (SR's) taken from Codes TOTW2 book comes to mind. I'm sure in response to this you will say that the messages are purely profit driven and are to be taken with a pinch of salt. What I'm saying is that the science behind what these guys teach works on the road in certain circumstances and arguably makes for safer riding.

[nzspokes]

Utter bullshit. The track and the road have no natural interface. The only commonality is that you're riding a motorcycle.



Rubbish. What you learn at a instructed track day gives you road skills. Maybe you have been to the wrong ones.

They teach how to look through a turn, how to chose a good line, how to brake effectively, how to change gear effectively etc

The main thing it gives you is tools to get you out of trouble on the road.

It is not Roadcraft training of course as with a good road surface and no other cars on the track they cant teach that.

[eldog]

Thanks DamianW - that's a lot of info, something for people to think about :2thumbsup

[FROSTY]

Utter bullshit. The track and the road have no natural interface. The only commonality is that you're riding a motorcycle.

I wish the myth that being able to control a motorcycle at speed, in a controlled environment = "super road skills". People who ride on the road need way more training about risk control in an uncontrolled environment. Superb observation skills are more useful on the road than being able to tune a corner entry to perfection. There's a cavernous gap between braking on the road and braking on the track. Braking on a track is adjusting your velocity to minimise the amount of time you spend off the throttle. On the road you need to be able to to do everything from trickle along using the rear brake to help control an inherently unstable platform to coming to a dead stop at open road speed as quickly as possible.

Yes, yes, you learn what a motorcycle can REALLY do on a race track. You don't learn how to spot a junction between a main highway and driveway by spotting two rows of poplars leading from a house down behind a hill the road is curving behind.

Track days do not create better road riders.

I don't care what names you quote, they ALL have an interest the Superbike School as a business. And that's fine, there's nowt wrong with business, especially one that cool. But claiming that "1 track day is 5-10 years worth of road riding" is dangerously irresponsible. The two environments could not be more different.
Jim I find myself in the situation of both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you at exactly the same time.
I think he guts of it is that It comes down to what the individual rider is prepared to put into the track day and what they are wanting to get out of it.
Remember we are talking TRACK day not race day.
For an inexperienced rider particularly a track day can be an invaluable LOCATION to practice skills that you NEED in emergency situations on the road. Finding just how hard you can brake when you need to. How far you can lean your bike. Use of front n rear brake correctly. And a bunch of other skills . All of which you just would not want to practice on the road with trucks,ditches etc around.
The PROBLEM is that most of the very riders I'm talking about then think they are "riding gods"
Thinking that the new skills the have learned are ALL the skills they need. -IE that being able to brake to stop with tail waggling in the air. WORSE because they now have a skill they think they should use it.
Without the tempering you are referring to -IE without the other equally important skills.
BUT I say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Those skills are still valuable skills. The important part needed and missing is blending those skills together with all the other survival skills a rider needs to ride safely on the road. Or Translating those skills into road use.
I see it like this. A rider is like a tradesman. There's time and place to make use of a big ol sledgehammer and equally time and place for a fine electrical screwdriver . A good tradesman has the range of tools in his toolbox and equally has the experience to know the time and place to use each tool.

[FROSTY]

Hi Frosty, nice to hear from you the other day. Yes Trackdays are alive and well. I go to most of them at Hampton Downs with cameras, have a look here www.clmintiepix.co.nz (http://www.clmintiepix.co.nz) and you'll get an idea of who and what sort of bikes and riders attend. very well organised by the guys at http://www.playdayontrack.co.nz/news.php and a great place to hang out... See you there soon...
Looks like ill be there on the 27th all going to plan

[eldog]

Jim I find myself in the situation of both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you at exactly the same time.
I think he guts of it is that It comes down to what the individual rider is prepared to put into the track day and what they are wanting to get out of it.
Remember we are talking TRACK day not race day.
For an inexperienced rider particularly a track day can be an invaluable LOCATION to practice skills that you NEED in emergency situations on the road. Finding just how hard you can brake when you need to. How far you can lean your bike. Use of front n rear brake correctly. And a bunch of other skills . All of which you just would not want to practice on the road with trucks,ditches etc around.
The PROBLEM is that most of the very riders I'm talking about then think they are "riding gods"
Thinking that the new skills the have learned are ALL the skills they need. -IE that being able to brake to stop with tail waggling in the air. WORSE because they now have a skill they think they should use it.
Without the tempering you are referring to -IE without the other equally important skills.
BUT I say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Those skills are still valuable skills. The important part needed and missing is blending those skills together with all the other survival skills a rider needs to ride safely on the road. Or Translating those skills into road use.
I see it like this. A rider is like a tradesman. There's time and place to make use of a big ol sledgehammer and equally time and place for a fine electrical screwdriver . A good tradesman has the range of tools in his toolbox and equally has the experience to know the time and place to use each tool.

Now we are talking the same lingo.
Get the basics right
track day - add to skills
gain experience about when/how to use them

all for road use. it isnt a race track.

[nzspokes]

Maha, when was the last time you or anyone else critiqued your riding? My self-assessment is daily and in all weathers :humble:

Btw, Prorider Ride Forever Gold and Silver courses are a good day out and provide an invaluable opportunity for coaching and feedback on general roadcraft. Chris Smith is an excellent coach and the student coach ratio is only 4:1 :up:

Self assessment is important but easy to fall into a bad habit, I reckon having somebody follow you is a good thing for feedback.

[Grubber]

Rubbish. What you learn at a instructed track day gives you road skills. Maybe you have been to the wrong ones.

They teach how to look through a turn, how to chose a good line, how to brake effectively, how to change gear effectively etc

The main thing it gives you is tools to get you out of trouble on the road.

It is not Roadcraft training of course as with a good road surface and no other cars on the track they cant teach that.

I agree.
I've done track days, raced and ridden road.
My opinion is that it makes me far more aware and far more wary on the road. I have no need to race at any speed on the road as that thrill is sorted on the track. I have a more relaxed riding attitude due to the track experience ( CSS ). It's the science of the teaching that helps in many ways.
I'm sure many others would benefit from some track time with the right tutors. You also have to listen and learn, it's not about getting out there after the lecture and giving it shit.

[gammaguy]

You should give it a try, never know you may learn a heap.

Or end up in one....

[nzspokes]

Maha, when was the last time you or anyone else critiqued your riding?

I guess we know the answer to that now.

[Maha]

I guess we know the answer to that now.

...care to enlighten me?

[SPP]

Got a Playdays email with upcoming dates. They've also arranged for KSS to be at some of their events which is pretty cool. Contact Ed 021 951 448.

edit:: KSS (Kiwi Suspension Solutions) not CSS (Cali Superbike School)

[MadDuck]

I got a notice about a play day for the 22nd Feb....I mean really?

[nzspokes]

Got a Playdays email with upcoming dates. They've also arranged for CSS to be at some of their events which is pretty cool. Contact Ed 021 951 448.

I didnt get that and normally do. I will be up for the 27th. Whats the Big Bike day out like? Any different to a normal day?

[SPP]

I didnt get that and normally do. I will be up for the 27th. Whats the Big Bike day out like? Any different to a normal day?

Dunno, never been to one. I think they're back to back days and they put on a BBQ, band and beers.

edit: I like twilight sessions too. I parked the bike up over summer but got out to last weeks one. Sure is busier these days.

[nzspokes]

Dunno, never been to one. I think they're back to back days and they put on a BBQ, band and beers.

edit: I like twilight sessions too. I parked the bike up over summer but got out to last weeks one. Sure is busier these days.

How many runs do you get at a Twilight one?

[SPP]

How many runs do you get at a Twilight one?

Four, they're a little shorter as well I think.

[SuperSonic]

Yes track days seem limited this year, an lack of advert not sure why?

Check out post in Meetings about Dave Moss for track days too, Dave is a suspension guru from USA who talks in ENGLISH and does not care what bike/suspesnon/track/road/dirt you ride on or were he will help make your bike safer, easier to ride giveing you more smiles.

Get into this guys and girls he is good, check him out on google, you tube, or FB or at www.feelthetrack.com.

[nzspokes]

Yes track days seem limited this year, an lack of advert not sure why?

Check out post in Meetings about Dave Moss for track days too, Dave is a suspension guru from USA who talks in ENGLISH and does not care what bike/suspesnon/track/road/dirt you ride on or were he will help make your bike safer, easier to ride giveing you more smiles.

Get into this guys and girls he is good, check him out on google, you tube, or FB or at www.feelthetrack.com.

I believe its a lack of clear advertising. Most think its a go out and race day.

I had a brief conversation with Dave on FB about the March the 8th ride. Sadly I can get no interest in it. Must let him know.

[SuperSonic]

YES agree most think it is racing etc on track days, shame as it is so far from the truth, oh well.

Bugger on no up takes, AKL market has proven to be hard to crack with DM, we have tried and will keep trying, just keep spreading the word it will happen.

Are you going to try and get to the suspension school at Puke or some of the events?

[nzspokes]

YES agree most think it is racing etc on track days, shame as it is so far from the truth, oh well.

Bugger on no up takes, AKL market has proven to be hard to crack with DM, we have tried and will keep trying, just keep spreading the word it will happen.

Are you going to try and get to the suspension school at Puke or some of the events?

I really want to but not sure I can afford it. I very much enjoyed a evening seminar when he came last time. But he says the bike has to have adjustable comp damping front and rear. I only have that on the rear.

I would prefer ART days to be advertised as Advanced Rider Training days. And more on the training said etc. I would think there would be more uptake.

[SuperSonic]

I agree on that, Vic club here ae pushing that side of things and are getting more and more riders, so maybe that is the way to go.

Yes that is the preferred full adjustments on bikes for suspension, he does have some seminars in AKL I think, get them out.

[nzspokes]

I agree on that, Vic club here ae pushing that side of things and are getting more and more riders, so maybe that is the way to go.

Yes that is the preferred full adjustments on bikes for suspension, he does have some seminars in AKL I think, get them out.

It would be sad to see the ART days go due to low uptake. They are very well run with very good instructors.

I think a little vid like this would help as well to give people some in site to how it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFwtHe_C_yY

[eldog]

I would prefer ART days to be advertised as Advanced Rider Training days. And more on the training said etc. I would think there would be more uptake.
+1 on that. its still to early for me. but i reckon its the way forward too.:niceone:
sure there should be advanced track racing days too, this would be an advanced course for those doing at least some form of advanced rider training prior.

some of us want to ride with more confidence (skill) and knowledge. what better place than on a track or similar where repeditive corners and obstacles are reduced

[motobob]

I agree on that, Vic club here ae pushing that side of things and are getting more and more riders, so maybe that is the way to go.

Yes that is the preferred full adjustments on bikes for suspension, he does have some seminars in AKL I think, get them out.

Did not know that DM was coming back to NZ. What are his Auckland dates? If no AKL dates then where is going to be.

[FROSTY]

hey bob- seeya tomorrow??

[motobob]

Good O. Catch ya there.

[nzspokes]

Is Dave doing an evening seminar again? In Auckland.

[motobob]

Is Dave doing an evening seminar again? In Auckland.

Yes he is AMCC Clubrooms Tuesday March 3rd cost $50

[nzspokes]

Yes he is AMCC Clubrooms Tuesday March 3rd cost $50

Im a member and didnt know that.

[motobob]

Im a member and didnt know that.

Thats cos you live on the wrong side of Auckland. Westie's don't get 1st choice at the club. Thats why I have faked my address and pretend I live on the shore.

:msn-wink:

Here is the link to book direct with Dave. Dave@feelthetrack.com

$50 for the talk and $50 to set your bike up

See you there.

[nzspokes]

Thats cos you live on the wrong side of Auckland. Westie's don't get 1st choice at the club. Thats why I have faked my address and pretend I live on the shore.

:msn-wink:

Here is the link to book direct with Dave. Dave@feelthetrack.com

$50 for the talk and $50 to set your bike up

See you there.

Sure its Tuesday? Amcc site says both Tuesday and Wednesday. :bleh:

[Ruahine]

Thats cos you live on the wrong side of Auckland. Westie's don't get 1st choice at the club. Thats why I have faked my address and pretend I live on the shore.

:msn-wink:

Here is the link to book direct with Dave. Dave@feelthetrack.com

$50 for the talk and $50 to set your bike up

See you there.

Do you have to be an AMCC member to come to this? I would be keen to come along.

I might be a member anyway as I have been to the last ART.

[nzspokes]

Thats cos you live on the wrong side of Auckland. Westie's don't get 1st choice at the club. Thats why I have faked my address and pretend I live on the shore.

:msn-wink:

Here is the link to book direct with Dave. Dave@feelthetrack.com

$50 for the talk and $50 to set your bike up

See you there.

Cheers, I just e-mailed him. Would like him to give the Superchickens suspension a quick look.

[eldog]

Im a member and didnt know that.

and you wonder why people don't turn up.

Heres an idea:

If its at the AMCC club, why not pay Dave the money and pay AMCC some nominal fee. For AMCC current financial members no nominal fee? (need to support club)

Need more/better advertising to get people along.

I noticed you didn't suggest it this year at SASS thread

[nzspokes]

and you wonder why people don't turn up.

Heres an idea:

If its at the AMCC club, why not pay Dave the money and pay AMCC some nominal fee. For AMCC current financial members no nominal fee? (need to support club)

Need more/better advertising to get people along.

I noticed you didn't suggest it this year at SASS thread

Well he is at Treads on the weekend as well. Not seen advertising for that either.

[eldog]

Well he is at Treads on the weekend as well. Not seen advertising for that either.

would have thought Treads would have put it on their email and put some sort of deal out for parts etc. Or maybe I didnt read it. :facepalm:


Am a Treads online customer, so you think they would have put something out.

Sometimes you gotta wonder.

[FROSTY]

would have thought Treads would have put it on their email and put some sort of deal out for parts etc. Or maybe I didnt read it. :facepalm:


Am a Treads online customer, so you think they would have put something out.

Sometimes you gotta wonder.
Treads did send it out--well put it this way I got e mail from them :innocent:

[nzspokes]

Treads did send it out--well put it this way I got e mail from them :innocent:

Yup I got it to.

Using what I learned to set up the Bandibusa.

[eldog]

Treads did send it out--well put it this way I got e mail from them :innocent:

i got it later, and an email. But too late for me to organise a passport over the bridge.:bleh:
is the super bikes, Yamaha launch and Moss on the same night?
if so then ?

[FROSTY]

Hi Frosty, nice to hear from you the other day. Yes Trackdays are alive and well. I go to most of them at Hampton Downs with cameras, have a look here www.clmintiepix.co.nz (http://www.clmintiepix.co.nz) and you'll get an idea of who and what sort of bikes and riders attend. very well organised by the guys at http://www.playdayontrack.co.nz/news.php and a great place to hang out... See you there soon...
hey it was great to finally see you again in the flesh--AND get the name right--dunnnno how long your name in my hear was climb at eye

[clmintie]

hey it was great to finally see you again in the flesh--AND get the name right--dunnnno how long your name in my hear was climb at eye

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:scooter:

[FROSTY]

310218


:scooter:
LOL slip sliding around in the rain--all good fun.-Didya get a pic of the back end going out. Felt spectacular--probably a big nothing to look at