GSR-750 - Is this the same as the GSX-S750? [Archive]

Mike.Gayner

15th February 2015, 08:13

I consider the GSR-750 one of the most underrated bikes available at the moment (especially as you can get the '14 brand new for $10.5 right now). There's bugger all information about this bike in the English-speaking world, but I see Suzuki has recently introduced the GSX-S750:
https://rideapart.com/articles/suzuki-introduces-gsx-s750

Is this exactly the same bike, more or less?

James Deuce

15th February 2015, 08:24

Yes. They didn't introduce a new bike. They introduced its new US nomenclature. Yamaha US call the two MT-09 versions released so far the FZ-09 and FJ-09. The US always likes to feel special.

Oakie

15th February 2015, 08:32

GSR. Lovely! It's a grown-ups version of a GSXR IMHO. Mine is the best bike I've owned.

nzbiker86

15th February 2015, 09:20

nzbiker86

15th February 2015, 09:22

They are releasing a gsr1000 very soon and the gsr 750 hasn't changed since 2011. I think you struggle to get anything similar/better new for that price

rustyrobot

15th February 2015, 09:27

They are releasing a gsr1000 very soon and the gsr 750 hasn't changed since 2011. I think you struggle to get anything similar/better new for that price

Is this different from the GSX-S1000? I would imagine those two are practically the same bike, but found (google) images with both badges GSR and GSX S. GSR is detuned version? If so - I imagine the S will be a bigger seller.

Mike.Gayner

15th February 2015, 09:40

Hi Mike

I recently purchased the gsr750 for that price. Really nice bike, very happy with it so far.
They only have a few nationwide at that price, so limited stock (be quick!). I noticed it shows the original rrp on the suzuki website now too.

Suzuki kind of shoot themselves in the foot with their pricing. Having seen the bike at $10.5k, I would never consider paying $15k when I was ready to buy. If I walk into Moto City in 6 months and the same bike is $15k, I'll buy an MT 09 instead.

Likewise they fuck over people who just bought one at full retail by screwing their resale value.

James Deuce

15th February 2015, 09:53

Is this different from the GSX-S1000? I would imagine those two are practically the same bike, but found (google) images with both badges GSR and GSX S. GSR is detuned version? If so - I imagine the S will be a bigger seller.

Just completely utterly wrong. As I've already pointed out, different markets get the same bike with different names. The GSR bikes, both 750 and 1000 have retuned versions of the K5 iteration of their GSXR sibling. The 1000cc version is going to be very special. The problem with the GSR750 is that a naked 750 with 100hp is regarded as a "Girl's" bike or something a learner could aspire to in a couple of years. So they sit around not selling.

James Deuce

15th February 2015, 09:59

Suzuki kind of shoot themselves in the foot with their pricing. Having seen the bike at $10.5k, I would never consider paying $15k when I was ready to buy. If I walk into Moto City in 6 months and the same bike is $15k, I'll buy an MT 09 instead.

Likewise they fuck over people who just bought one at full retail by screwing their resale value.

You;re being a bit harsh. The GSR750 didn't exactly fly out the door and this will be "New Old" stock and rather than fucking people over on resale it might help them adjust to their 4 year old bike being worth $7k instead of the $11k they all seem to think it's worth.

Blue Wing Honda are much better at comprehensively fucking their customer's resale over. The GSR was good value at $15k , it's phenomenal at $11k. But it didn't hit $11k new until prevous customer GSR resale figures should have been well under that. Blue Wing will launch a bike aat $27k, sell 2, drop the price to $20k the next year, sell 3, and then drop the price to $11k the next. For new-old stock.

mossy1200

15th February 2015, 10:02

nzbiker86

15th February 2015, 10:03

I test rode the mt09. It was great but was it worth the extra money? I agree though, if the gsr had been 14k it would have been over my budget.

I couldn't justify it. The GSR does what I need a bike to do, plus the dealer gave me a good part ex price on my triumph.

rustyrobot

15th February 2015, 10:04

Just completely utterly wrong.

Yes I realised after I saw Mike's post that I hadn't read the whole thread.

Looks good either way but will it compete with Monster 1200, Tuono1100 and KTM 1290?

Oakie

15th February 2015, 10:10

Is this different from the GSX-S1000? I would imagine those two are practically the same bike, but found (google) images with both badges GSR and GSX S. GSR is detuned version? If so - I imagine the S will be a bigger seller.

Same engine ... slightly de-tuned to put the torque somewhere else ... and with a more upright riding position. A gentleman's bike!

James Deuce

15th February 2015, 10:10

Yes I realised after I saw Mike's post that I hadn't read the whole thread.

Looks good either way but will it compete with Monster 1200, Tuono1100 and KTM 1290?

It will kill the Monster and Tuono. It will struggle to compete with the KaToom. But that's the wrong market segment. These bikes are for old blokes who can't be bothered with the agony a 1 hour ride generates and want a bike they can actually use with the best ever 1000cc 4 cylinder motorcycle engine. The Suzukis will be for people who don't need to reaffirm their coolness by riding a Euro. They probably also want value for money and reliability. Think of them as an aggressive naked bike and aggressive sport tourer that are more sport than commuter and tourer respectively. FZ1 rather than FJR1300.

SVboy

15th February 2015, 13:51

It will kill the Monster and Tuono. It will struggle to compete with the KaToom. But that's the wrong market segment. These bikes are for old blokes who can't be bothered with the agony a 1 hour ride generates and want a bike they can actually use with the best ever 1000cc 4 cylinder motorcycle engine. The Suzukis will be for people who don't need to reaffirm their coolness by riding a Euro. They probably also want value for money and reliability. Think of them as an aggressive naked bike and aggressive sport tourer that are more sport than commuter and tourer respectively. FZ1 rather than FJR1300.

I do hope you are right, and the accountants are kept away. Suzuki could hit a home run with this if equipment levels and finish are good or it could be a bigger version of the pig GSR750 IMHO. The Gsr has value on its side and that's it. Heavy, nobbled engine, suspension stolen from bic pens, push bike brakes, cheapest possible swing arm etc etc. a swing and a miss. Mt09 is better, but really is a $20000 bike by the time you factor in proper suspension, exhaust and sorting out that awful fueling. Kawasaki z800 might be a better bet, but again low spec and as heavy as the moon.
All IMHO of cause!

James Deuce

15th February 2015, 14:40

I do hope you are right, and the accountants are kept away. Suzuki could hit a home run with this if equipment levels and finish are good or it could be a bigger version of the pig GSR750 IMHO. The Gsr has value on its side and that's it. Heavy, nobbled engine, suspension stolen from bic pens, push bike brakes, cheapest possible swing arm etc etc. a swing and a miss. Mt09 is better, but really is a $20000 bike by the time you factor in proper suspension, exhaust and sorting out that awful fueling. Kawasaki z800 might be a better bet, but again low spec and as heavy as the moon.
All IMHO of cause!

The Z800 is a massive improvement over the previous Z750R and a LOT lighter. It's the pick of this runty litter of budget 4 cylinder 750-800s if you ask me.

The media have pulled the GSX1000s's appearance to bits, noting things like engine covers that are different shapes to the K5, hinting at things like it not having a slipper clutch and so on. We won't know until we see one. If they simply leave the torque curve alone and knock 20hp off a K5 I'd be VERY happy, thank you. The GSR750 isn't as bad as you make it out, it just isn't special when compared to a Street Triple for instance. But it is cheaper. The FZ-8 had the potential to be great, but that muffler! That rear shock! That price!

Oakie

15th February 2015, 19:12

These bikes are for old blokes who can't be bothered with the agony a 1 hour ride generates and want a bike they can actually use with the best ever 1000cc 4 cylinder motorcycle engine. The Suzukis will be for people who don't need to reaffirm their coolness by riding a Euro. They probably also want value for money and reliability. Good God! I think you just described me!

EJK

15th February 2015, 19:51

But that swingarm tho...

<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=309023&d=1423986676" />

samgab

15th February 2015, 20:05

I like the GSR750, but if they still stocked the GSR600 for the NZ market, and it was going for a good price, I probably would have gotten IT, instead of the GSX-R600. It better suits my riding style. (And then I wouldn't have such aching trapezius muscles right now. But it's just that they haven't had a lot of use recently, and they'll get used to it.)
I reckon Suzuki should refresh, update, and bring back the GSR600 for a sharp price. It'd be perfect for commuting with a de-tuned, torquier version of the GSX-R600 motor and the upright seating position. Slips in under the rego/licencing fee increase.

SVboy

15th February 2015, 20:20

The Z800 is a massive improvement over the previous Z750R and a LOT lighter. It's the pick of this runty litter of budget 4 cylinder 750-800s if you ask me.

The media have pulled the GSX1000s's appearance to bits, noting things like engine covers that are different shapes to the K5, hinting at things like it not having a slipper clutch and so on. We won't know until we see one. If they simply leave the torque curve alone and knock 20hp off a K5 I'd be VERY happy, thank you. The GSR750 isn't as bad as you make it out, it just isn't special when compared to a Street Triple for instance. But it is cheaper. The FZ-8 had the potential to be great, but that muffler! That rear shock! That price!

I test rode a Brand new GSR 750. I so wanted to like it. I was so let down. I have ridden plenty of street triples and while some of their suspension is budget as, the sum of the parts just work so much better. Fingers crossed for the GSX1000 R.

nzbiker86

15th February 2015, 22:10

Samgab....how you find the gsxr600? I was tempted by the price tag.

Post a pic if you can....blue or white?

The GSR is getting slated on here! Ha ha.

Madness

15th February 2015, 22:15

It will kill the Monster and Tuono.

Seriously? The 1,000cc V4 Tuono's pretty bloody quick.

samgab

16th February 2015, 04:12

Samgab....how you find the gsxr600? I was tempted by the price tag.

Post a pic if you can....blue or white?

The GSR is getting slated on here! Ha ha.

So far, I'm LOVING the GSXR... It's got more than enough torque and power for me, and it feels light and "chuckable". I've owned small bikes in the past, like a VTR250 and an FXR150, and this feels almost as easy to throw around as the FXR, but with about ten times the acceleration.
309037
Only 4Kms on the odo when I picked it up...

309038
I like it in the white/grey. It's a pearlescent white, looks pretty good up close IMHO.

My only complaints are: No fuel gauge (not a big issue really), and the clock goes away when you turn on odo or trip meter (also not a big problem, especially as you can toggle through the displays using buttons on the handlebars). I prefer the GSR gauges, which do have a fuel gauge, the clock is permanently on there, and there is a fuel consumption display too.

James Deuce

16th February 2015, 07:52

Seriously? The 1,000cc V4 Tuono's pretty bloody quick.

No, but you can hope.

roogazza

16th February 2015, 10:42

[QUOTE=James Deuce;
The media have pulled the GSX1000s's appearance to bits, noting things like engine covers that are different shapes to the K5, hinting at things like it not having a slipper clutch and so on. We won't know until we see one. If they simply leave the torque curve alone and knock 20hp off a K5 I'd be VERY happy, thank you.[/QUOTE]

I'm making my own as soon as I can ride again.309043
The K5/6 engine is ideal for a Naked.

James Deuce

16th February 2015, 10:43

I'm making my own as soon as I can ride again.309043
The K5/6 engine is ideal for a Naked.
Do you do requests? :)

roogazza

16th February 2015, 13:25

Do you do requests? :)

Lol , My right knee is getting a "chop n channel".
Love the bike and rather than change, I figured a set of bars and a yoke,plus a few bits will see me right ? :eek:

SPman

16th February 2015, 13:34

I'd still love a K5/6, but, the missus has to be able to ride it as well, (we swap bikes occasionally) so that rules out sports bikes! An upright K5/6 sounds about ideal. The 750 was such a comedown - like so many - built to an accountant's specification.

nzbiker86

16th February 2015, 15:06

White does look good in that model...nice purchase man! I expected more to sell at thesuzuki fest price, but not many sold down here. I test rode my mates superduke, so knew I wanted a naked bike.

I did see a hayabusa in white and I just thought it looked like a big mass of ugly.

Perhaps I havent rode enough bikes but I like my gsr, I had a sprint before this, so this is much easier to ride and reviews have all been good, its a reliable, steady bike.

Banditbandit

17th February 2015, 16:02

These bikes are for old blokes who can't be bothered with the agony a 1 hour ride generates and want a bike they can actually use

One hour ???? I'm an old bloke and I want a bike I can ride comfortably for six to eight hours ...

James Deuce

17th February 2015, 17:12

One hour ???? I'm an old bloke and I want a bike I can ride comfortably for six to eight hours ...

On a GSXR1000?

Berg

17th February 2015, 18:55

Mrs Berg has a GSR750 and loves it to bits. Over 80,000km of absolutely trouble free riding in under 3 years.
Best bang for buck on the market at the summer special price in my opinion

Banditbandit

19th February 2015, 08:22

On a GSXR1000?

No ... That's why I have a Bandit ... longest day on the bike .. 11 and a half hours ... (with coffee and food breaks)

James Deuce

19th February 2015, 09:18

No ... That's why I have a Bandit ... longest day on the bike .. 11 and a half hours ... (with coffee and food breaks)

Well, that was the point I was making. The GSX-S1000 may allow people who enjoy sportsbikes to enjoy a bike with a proper sportsbike engine without the seemingly medieval torture rack ergonomics. People who are finding age and injury limits the amount of enjoyment they can get from sportsbikes due to the time constraints inflicted by a subjective pain scale assessment.

Banditbandit

19th February 2015, 09:41

These bikes are for old blokes who can't be bothered with the agony a 1 hour ride generates and want a bike they can actually use

Well, that was the point I was making. The GSX-S1000 may allow people who enjoy sportsbikes to enjoy a bike with a proper sportsbike engine without the seemingly medieval torture rack ergonomics. People who are finding age and injury limits the amount of enjoyment they can get from sportsbikes due to the time constraints inflicted by a subjective pain scale assessment.

And I was responding to your original point that old blokes like me do expect to ride way more than for one hour ... your fitrst post seems to suggest that old blokes want a nice one hour ride .. I want a hell of a lot more ...

roogazza

19th February 2015, 10:57

Well, that was the point I was making. The GSX-S1000 may allow people who enjoy sportsbikes to enjoy a bike with a proper sportsbike engine without the seemingly medieval torture rack ergonomics. People who are finding age and injury limits the amount of enjoyment they can get from sportsbikes due to the time constraints inflicted by a subjective pain scale assessment.
Kapiti to Wair/MartinB,was a nice run for years for me ,maybe 100kms.Early morning.
But the return after a coffee and cigar rendered me second hand.
By then the traffic gave me the shits anyway.<_<

James Deuce

19th February 2015, 11:56

And I was responding to your original point that old blokes like me do expect to ride way more than for one hour ... your fitrst post seems to suggest that old blokes want a nice one hour ride .. I want a hell of a lot more ...

That isn'y what I was implying at all. You need to read it again. I said old blokes who want to ride MORE than an hour at a time.

raziel1983

19th February 2015, 13:45

I just wish they'd put some decent pillion accommodations on these super nudes

ducatilover

19th February 2015, 21:51

Why detune a K5/6 thou motor? I have yet to meet anyone who has ridden one and commented on it not having enough torque. And they're genuine 160+ wheel horsies.
I don't get it.

James Deuce

20th February 2015, 04:52

Why detune a K5/6 thou motor? I have yet to meet anyone who has ridden one and commented on it not having enough torque. And they're genuine 160+ wheel horsies.
I don't get it.

Maybe they've learned from BMW and they won't detune the 1000?

ducatilover

20th February 2015, 08:25

Maybe they've learned from BMW and they won't detune the 1000?

One can only hope. De-tuning is for mortals.

yevjenko

20th February 2015, 09:58

No, but you can hope.
Really? all the reviews of the Tuono v4 1000 raved about it. The new 1100 appears to be even better, but I haven't seen it in a journo's hands yet

yevjenko

20th February 2015, 10:02

Maybe they've learned from BMW and they won't detune the 1000?
Who learned from Aprilia with the original Tuono (do you think i might be biased?).

Although for the later Tuonos they dropped some top end bhp for more torque

James Deuce

20th February 2015, 10:10

Really? all the reviews of the Tuono v4 1000 raved about it. The new 1100 appears to be even better, but I haven't seen it in a journo's hands yet

Sigh. Everything you see on the Internet isn't true, nor is it necessarily the opinion of the person writing it, AND it may even be a wind up. If you look back in the thread I'd already disowned the comment, after getting the desired response from a mate I knew woul dbite.

I have to put more effort into trolling Special Education Services to get rise out of them than I do a "biker" and and SES are people entirely by bearded feminist activists with a finally honed sense of when to push the mutually assured destruction button.

Having said that, I still wouldn't EVER buy an Aprilia in NZ due to belligerantly malignant distributor indifference to resolving warranty claims.

wynw

20th February 2015, 11:26

Really? all the reviews of the Tuono v4 1000 raved about it. The new 1100 appears to be even better, but I haven't seen it in a journo's hands yet

Very happy with mine, certainly puts more of a grin on my face than any of the gsxr's i had, but saying that i am looking fwd to seeing the new suzuki in the flesh.