A fun LAMS bike? [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

bennz

5th March 2015, 07:54

Hello all !
This is my first post here . I'm glad to see the biking community is so friendly and helping !!

I'm at my 30s and just got my learners to be able to ride and own a "fun" bike purely for joy ride and weekend short trips.

My knowledge of bikes are limited but done some research and though Yamaha MT07 could be a good option.

I'm yet to go and test ride it in Upper Hutt.

But I wanted to see what you guys suggest as a fun, reliable, newbie friendly, good looking and sounding bike which I can ride on LAMS but keep it for the years to come ?

The options I considered are :

Yamaha
MT03
MT07
XJ6nl

Kawasaki
Z300 2015
ER-6n

The most I want to spend on a bike is around $10-11k

Thanks !

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50Shades

5th March 2015, 08:06

Since you you are going to the Hutt, Clean Motorcyles in Lower Hutt has the Benelli 600 LAMS.....another option for you

BuzzardNZ

5th March 2015, 08:07

From that list, my pick would be the kawasaki 300, but I'd go with the Ninja version.

5ive

5th March 2015, 08:24

For LAMS bikes the Kawasaki Z300 or EX300 (same bike with fairings) would probably offer you the most fun due to their size and weight, you can flick them around more easily in the corners, and they still have enough grunt to handle the straights. Cheaper, and good fuel economy as well.

Up to you in the end though, your wallet and aesthetic taste. Go test ride them all and see!

bennz

5th March 2015, 08:29

Thanks for the advice guys, I wait for z300 to arrive here and take it for a ride .

And will check out the shop in Hutt. I heard about Benellie but not sure about their quality and reliability . How good are they ?

Is it worth to get a new one or second hand?

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Scubbo

5th March 2015, 08:41

I'd add the KTM 390 Duke

bennz

5th March 2015, 08:57

Thanks Scubbo but the look ... Doesn't even want to to test ride it haha

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kiwi-on-wheels

5th March 2015, 10:11

An old 4cylinder 250... ;-)

sil3nt

5th March 2015, 10:28

For me there is only one option for a long term LAMS bike. That is the NC35. Good luck finding one though!

Otherwise check out the CB(R) 500 it seems to come out on top of most of these leaner bike reviews.

ducatilover

5th March 2015, 11:08

The MT07, derestricted. Grouse machine and wheelie like a boss

ellipsis

5th March 2015, 12:32

...the new Harley Davidson 500 is now available, costs what you want to spend and bypasses all the later on wishes that will make you want to own a HD...the closet homo HD kickers will be out in a minute or so...but worth the test ride anyway...you may just decide it is the one for you...

Erelyes

5th March 2015, 12:42

I got my learners around the age of 30, having never ridden before. The following assumes you're in the same boat (i.e. no riding experience).

Get something cheap and secondhand. Max $3k.

Not so much 'because you'll drop it' - (I didn't) - but because this motor-bi-cycling thing is one hell of an addiction. And generally speaking there is FAR better value and FAR better bikes in the 'open' market, than just those restricted to LAMS. As soon as you get your full I'm sure you'll be clamouring for something different, if not necessarily faster. Losing a few grand's worth of value on the bike you're buying now is an expensive proposition over an 18 month timeframe.

You also get to tinker more with an old bike. balance the carbs, clean filters, service, adjust stuff. Having a reasonable knowledge of the workings of your bike is important - it may get you home should something break out on the road; or possibly even save you some literal hurt. Warranties are nice, but they're not a complete replacement for knowing how to do something yourself.

The other advantage is you have more money to spend on A) gear, B) training, C) petrol (=experience)

That said, if your disposable income is sufficient, and/or you live by a 'carpe diem' attitude - Either Ninja 300 or MT07 is my pick.

Chur

bennz

5th March 2015, 13:09

Some great advice there guys ! Thanks heaps
I saw street 500 and thinking to take it for a ride . Although it needs after market exhaust otherwise sounds like a sewing machine ... 500 is a HD but it's not

And I was considering a cheap second hand , not quite sure about it at this stage

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Erelyes

5th March 2015, 13:23

And I was considering a cheap second hand , not quite sure about it at this stage

You can always see if your local bike shops have had a trade-in from someone. They will generally still offer a warranty after X number of months - bike may be a bit dearer than the private market, but the extra cost is insurance really. I did that with my first bike for peace of mind.

Grashopper

5th March 2015, 14:40

Thanks Scubbo but the look ... Doesn't even want to to test ride it haha

:oi-grr:

......hm....how about the RC390?

Wait a second, the Z300 is finally comming to NZ??? I wanted that bike 2 years ago... (not that my Avatar pic didn't give that away...)

pete376403

5th March 2015, 16:23

If you are tall or bigger than average build, take a look at eithre the DR650 or KLR650. Theres not much between them (DR is slightly better off road, KLR is slightly better on road) but both surprisingly good road bikes that give you the option of adventure type riding as well.

HenryDorsetCase

5th March 2015, 16:47

Why has no one even mentioned the Street Triple 660 LAMS?

I know two people that have bought them and are very happy with them and while a bit more expensive than your$11k

bennz

5th March 2015, 17:09

samgab

5th March 2015, 17:18

Yeah, I'd go with the Honda CB500F (http://www.hondamotorbikes.co.nz/motorcycles/road-bikes/naked/2014-cb500f/) or a Gladius (http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycle/Learner/Gladius+Learner+Approved/).
Edit, on second thoughts, the MT-07 (http://www.yamaha-motor.co.nz/promotions/motorcycle/mt-07-learner-expert-approved) seems (and looks) pretty good too. Tough choice...

Edit the second: I've done more thinking on this. I think the MT-07 is best. Great gauges, clock, temp, gear position, and fuel gauge there all the time. Little things those, but surprisingly useful in terms of riding a lot. And I agree it looks the best.
I'd put the CB500F second. It's also got excellent gauges, and it seems like a well put together, fun little bike. The journo's all seem to love it. Eg. The Rideapart review. (https://rideapart.com/articles/rideapart-review-2013-honda-cb500f-abs)
And I guess the Gladius would be last, if even still on the list. The V-twin is a nice configuration, a nice engine, but there are too many other good options. It's a bit dated.

bennz

5th March 2015, 17:33

ducatilover

5th March 2015, 18:16

The MT outperforms them in every way, neat bike to ride. Nicer bike than the ER6n

mossy1200

5th March 2015, 18:19

Id find this tempting on a 10k approx budget for a first bike.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/dual-purpose/auction-738674616.htm

chasio

5th March 2015, 18:24

Z500 gonna be here in 4 weeks :)
I looked at the triple 660 initially but $14k is more than I want to spend.

Will check out KLR as I have no experience with that .

I'm tall ,6'2 and around 84kg so I guess nothing much above average

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That's maybe not vastly above the NZ average, particularly for younger males IIRC, but I'll venture it is quite a bit taller than an average rider across all global markets.

Edit: What Mossy said above ^

Imagineering

5th March 2015, 18:49

James Deuce

5th March 2015, 18:50

Get an MT07. Then a KTM 1050 Adventure.

samgab

5th March 2015, 19:02

To me Honda looks plain a bit , compared to MT07.
Might look and see who has gladius locally in wellington as I never heard of them .

Going to look at Benellie BN600S and see how is it like. Hard to find any reviews on it though.

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I came up with more reasons why I'm liking the MT-07 more and more.
-That deep purple colour you can get it (deep armour) in looks fantastic IMO!
-Brilliant functional and stylie gauges, as previously mentioned.
-Apparently very good brakes, better than the others in its class.
-It has proper sportbike wheel and tyre sizes, unlike all the others in its class. I mean 120/70-17 and 180/55-17 whereas most in it's class have 160's on the rear.
-With the addition of a simple affordable slip-on can swap, it sounds great (Factory exhaust is a bit tinny sounding).
-The looks. Really growing on me, the more I see it. It's a pretty darn good looking bike. I saw one in the flesh at Red Baron, and it looks even better IRL.
-They claim most torque and best fuel economy in it's class.
-Really light (179Kg wet), so nimble to throw around in traffic.
-The crossplane crank design makes it rev a bit like a V-twin without actually being one.
-Made in Japan...

This is a dude in Ozzy riding the LAMS version, same as ours, for the first time. It has a slip-on Akrapovic muffler and sounds amazing. But please don't be like him: Always wear gloves!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeeKwMGKmA

Not intending to sound like a Yamaha salesman, but I kind of wish I'd test ridden one of these when I was bike shopping, but I was dead set on not getting a LAMS bike, since I have my full. I reckon it'd be a much better commuter bike than the one I ended up with. I don't need the speed of a GSX-R600, and the riding position of the MT-07 looks great by comparison.

Mike.Gayner

5th March 2015, 19:06

The problem with the mt07 is that the NZ market gets stuck with the barstardised version.

bennz

5th March 2015, 19:15

The problem with the mt07 is that the NZ market gets stuck with the barstardised version.

What do you mean Mike? Cause actually it is currently top of my list , then z300 when it's available and the xj6nl

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bennz

5th March 2015, 19:33

I came up with more reasons why I'm liking the MT-07 more and more.
-That deep purple colour you can get it (deep armour) in looks fantastic IMO!
-Brilliant functional and stylie gauges, as previously mentioned.
-Apparently very good brakes, better than the others in its class.
-It has proper sportbike wheel and tyre sizes, unlike all the others in its class. I mean 120/70-17 and 180/55-17 whereas most in it's class have 160's on the rear.
-With the addition of a simple affordable slip-on can swap, it sounds great (Factory exhaust is a bit tinny sounding).
-The looks. Really growing on me, the more I see it. It's a pretty darn good looking bike. I saw one in the flesh at Red Baron, and it looks even better IRL.
-They claim most torque and best fuel economy in it's class.
-Really light (179Kg wet), so nimble to throw around in traffic.
-The crossplane crank design makes it rev a bit like a V-twin without actually being one.
-Made in Japan...

This is a dude in Ozzy riding the LAMS version, same as ours, for the first time. It has a slip-on Akrapovic muffler and sounds amazing. But please don't be like him: Always wear gloves!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeeKwMGKmA

Not intending to sound like a Yamaha salesman, but I kind of wish I'd test ridden one of these when I was bike shopping, but I was dead set on not getting a LAMS bike, since I have my full. I reckon it'd be a much better commuter bike than the one I ended up with. I don't need the speed of a GSX-R600, and the riding position of the MT-07 looks great by comparison.

Well mate you could be a nice sales person haha. For the reasons you mentioned I had my eye on the MT07 as well.

Hoping the Upper Hutt dealer let me ride that and other two I had in my mind.

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EJK

5th March 2015, 19:43

How about a DRZ400SM?

<img width="600" src="http://cdn.rideapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/How-To-Pick-A-Second-Bike_03.jpg" />

bennz

5th March 2015, 19:51

How about a DRZ400SM?

For some reason that style of bike doesn't tickle my fancy as such . Either naked street or HD alike (LAMS - 500cc and above )

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Mike.Gayner

5th March 2015, 19:58

What do you mean Mike? Cause actually it is currently top of my list , then z300 when it's available and the xj6nl

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The NZ market gets a lower powered version with lower capacity, a throttle restrictor and computer restrictions.

bennz

5th March 2015, 20:40

The NZ market gets a lower powered version with lower capacity, a throttle restrictor and computer restrictions.

Yeah you are write , there is US version and Aus/NZ which has smaller engine and some restrictions. But the difference is quite small

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James Deuce

5th March 2015, 20:44

There's nothing wrong with a 160 section rear tyre and I would suggest that this class of bike would benefit from this both from a cost perspective and quicker handling.

Voltaire

6th March 2015, 11:40

There's nothing wrong with a 160 section rear tyre and I would suggest that this class of bike would benefit from this both from a cost perspective and quicker handling.

Other than for power do fat tyres have any handling benefits?
I really like the sharp steering of skinny tyred old shitters.:sunny:

Tigadee

6th March 2015, 12:00

I'd got for the MT-03 rather than the MT-07. You pay more for not much more, and you'll be upgrading once you get your full anyway...

haydes55

6th March 2015, 12:10

ktm 525 exc

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ducatilover

6th March 2015, 12:13

There's nothing wrong with a 160 section rear tyre and I would suggest that this class of bike would benefit from this both from a cost perspective and quicker handling.
I have to agree. The MT is still a great handler, but I haven't figured out why it runs such a big fat tyre, apart from penis value.

I'd got for the MT-03 rather than the MT-07. You pay more for not much more, and you'll be upgrading once you get your full anyway...

The 07 is a completely different machine and has a fair bit more stick than the 03, not so evident on paper however. It's also pretty comfy

So what if the engine is smaller and restricted? It's a LAMS bike, and still good for just over 70hp unrestricted, which involves a new throttle stop (or modify the existing)

If I was doing LAMS it'd probably be a ZXR400 for me, best bang for buck and I have heaps of tasty shit to bolt to one (oh and I already have one). Or an FZR400RR 3TJ om nom nom

bennz

6th March 2015, 15:29

I'd got for the MT-03 rather than the MT-07. You pay more for not much more, and you'll be upgrading once you get your full anyway...

I went and saw both , unfortunately weather was shocking today for any test ride. Both felt good and comfy. Liked how light was MT07 and felt in full control even I didn't ride it. Planning to arrange a ride and see which one rides better.

Heard and seen countless good reviews on MT07 , and some very good ones on MT03.
Probably will arrange a test ride for ninja 300, z300 and ER-6N

Went to see the Benellie in Hutt, wasn't impressed with lack of knowledge of the sales guy and the bike was heavy , poor plastic work , and couldn't find any reviews online . So that's off my list.

Might give HD Street 500 a try just to cover all my choices !

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Grashopper

6th March 2015, 21:11

Z500 gonna be here in 4 weeks :)

I guess you mean the Z300?

How do you know? I couldn't find anything about an NZ release date online.

bennz

6th March 2015, 21:17

Yep z300 my bad.
Gonna be in wellington in 4 weeks time ;)

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Grashopper

6th March 2015, 21:32

Yep z300 my bad.
Gonna be in wellington in 4 weeks time ;)

Awesome! :sunny:

Guess it's time to stalk out a Kawasaki dealership somewhere up here.

samgab

7th March 2015, 07:00

The MT-07 sounds a bit crap with factory exhaust, but it sounds amazing with a simple bolt-on exhaust system swap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLVU2hn4T94 The short Arrow and the Akrapovic in particular sound brilliant. The burble and crackle on over-run - wow.

bennz

7th March 2015, 07:48

The Akrapovic exhaust is amazing but $1500 ?? Not sure ...

Just wondering if anyone here owns Kawasaki ER-6N post 2013 model ? If so, what is your opinion and feedback on that bike ?

I went and saw that and ninja 300, unfortunately the seating position of ninja was not comfy for my body . I'm tall with broad shoulders and found myself in an awkward posture on ninja , so probably going to be the same with z300.

On the other hand ER-6N seems the right one for me. So doing a bit of research from local owners as well :)

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Momentum

14th March 2015, 23:12

I would look at something without a lot of plastics to stuff up when you fall because you will fall at some stage, and put some crash protection on it at soon as you get it.

If I was buy new and I wanted to keep the bike once i have my full MT07 would be my pic.
But I think your better to look for a 2nd hand bike for your first bike.

FlangMasterJ

14th March 2015, 23:26

ktm 525 exc

This guy gets it. May not be fun with the high maintenance on the 525 but like someone posted earlier the 400SM would be a solid choice.

You can't get more fun than a motard.

pritch

15th March 2015, 09:10

When I saw the original question my first thought was the MT-07. If you keep it in one piece you wouldn't need to change bikes as soon as you get your full licence.

The looks of the KTM may grow on you, some bikes are like that.

bennz

15th March 2015, 10:26

Momentum

15th March 2015, 21:34

The 390 duke has some balls for a small bike. They will power wheelie in first gear.

pritch

16th March 2015, 08:06

Thanks guys, just a bit short on funds for MT-07 brand new, so while looking at a good second hand one (which haven't seen one so fa)

You're rushing that a bit, the bloody things have only recently arrived in the country, it's a new model. There may be some demonstrators available in a year or so?

Latte

16th March 2015, 08:34

I'd add the KTM 390 Duke

+1234567890

Kendoll

16th March 2015, 08:38

Ditto. KTM 390 FTW!!

MisterD

16th March 2015, 08:48

Ditto. KTM 390 FTW!!

Didn't someone mention "tall and broad shouldered"? The KTM felt even smaller than the SR, which I'm not recommending if your personal definition of "fun" requires a reasonable number of horsepowers.

HenryDorsetCase

16th March 2015, 08:51

There was a military flavoured Royal Enfield 500 parked outside work here the other day. EFI and unit construction, guy used it as a motorised pushbike for blatting round town and doing errands on. under $10k brand spankers I think he said.

I really liked it. That or SR400 both under $10K and both offer a myriad of customising options. I really would like a second bike and one of those might just be it. Or a W650 Kwakka or a cheap Bonnie. except there arent any. August is a good time to buy I find. :)

HenryDorsetCase

16th March 2015, 08:52

Didn't someone mention "tall and broad shouldered"? The KTM felt even smaller than the SR, which I'm not recommending if your personal definition of "fun" requires a reasonable number of horsepowers.

the absolute max you can have is minimal though right.

MisterD

16th March 2015, 10:07

the absolute max you can have is minimal though right.

Yeah, it's on the low side of "adequate", a PC and a pipe to get around all the emissions stuff is pretty much an essential. It's a shame, from a LAMS point of view, that the old dubya isn't actually a 650.

bennz

16th March 2015, 14:44

Duke just felt too small for my height and body , im not big (84kg) but tall and didn't feel Comfortable on the seat and the tank where my legs will be

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bennz

19th March 2015, 14:31

Well today I went and saw the new Benelli BN302, and even the bike wasn't available for test ride, i must say I was impressed.

It looks like a copy of Kawasaki ER-6N to certain extend , the seat is very comfy and the riding position was better for me than ninja 300.
Build quality (for$7k) is okay, you can see some gaps and lower quality plastic parts here and there. But overall doesn't look that bad at all (exterior , parts to be determined)

Albeit it requires to be ridden which I wait till the dealer bring a demo version. This bike is made in China which is evident (not as obvious as CFMoto), but I guess it had done through some decent QC.

The clutch and gearbox is not as smooth as ninja 300 (stationary with engine off) but should be tested on the road.

Do you guys have any experience with Benelli bikes ?

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pete376403

19th March 2015, 19:00

Why piss about with a Chinese copy of an Er6n when the real thing is lams approved? Or is it outside your budget?
http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/catalog/streetbikes/sports/ER650FESW/overview

ducatilover

19th March 2015, 19:06

The Benelli is their own motor, it's basically their new 600 chopped in half

http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Motorcycle/Learner/Gladius+Learner+Approved/
The gladius is on speshul now. They're nice

rustyrobot

19th March 2015, 19:13

bennz

19th March 2015, 19:38

Why piss about with a Chinese copy of an Er6n when the real thing is lams approved? Or is it outside your budget?
http://www.kawasaki.co.nz/catalog/streetbikes/sports/ER650FESW/overview

Yeah probably max I can spend now is around $8.5-9k

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ducatilover

19th March 2015, 20:33

Interesting... the Benelli BN302 and the Keeway RKX300 are the same bike. Benelli is now owned by QianJiang, but the factory remains in Italy. Does this mean that the Keeway is also made in Italy, or is it the Chinese factory version of the Italian bike? The both look an awful lot like the CFMoto bike as well as the ER6N. I guess that's just the contemporary cookie-cutter shape.

The 600 is Italian built, the 300 is Chinese built. Apparently saves $2k on the price tag.
Chinese quality is usually better than Italian shit too. Who the fuck wants Italian rubbish these days

bennz

19th March 2015, 21:27

I guess as long as there is a good quality control and material used doesn't matter where it is made.

When I compared the build quality between the 600 and 300 at the dealer , only small plastic parts were slightly cheaper looking. The main component looked very well done, tidy and of good quality.

I wait till the demo has arrived and I have ridden it then would be easier to tell how it feels when riding it.

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mossy1200

5th April 2015, 19:17

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-869187686.htm

ducatilover

5th April 2015, 21:42

That's a tasty bit of gear, rare as hen's dicks.

ClaireEmson21

12th April 2015, 23:08

:oi-grr:

......hm....how about the RC390?

Wait a second, the Z300 is finally comming to NZ??? I wanted that bike 2 years ago... (not that my Avatar pic didn't give that away...)

In kind of the same boat as well! Looking for learner bike but with some grunt 21 years old (pretty small) was looking at the RC390, ninja 300 or the new R3

Anyone test rode the RC390 yet?? And any KTM riders in chch on here

sambam4eva

12th April 2015, 23:34

ducatilover

12th April 2015, 23:51

Kawasaki Ninja 4 lyfe, cbr 150s are for gay cunts. RC390s are gud. PM pics of u nd ur bike guuuurl xoxo :love:

You're the man.

sambam4eva

14th April 2015, 10:08

You're the man.

I try my best but gurl dont want none :weep:

ducatilover

14th April 2015, 12:03

I try my best but gurl dont want none :weep:

Nothin' a swift little punch to the back of the neck can't fix.

EJK

14th April 2015, 15:30

ClaireEmson21

20th April 2015, 18:22

I try my best but gurl dont want none :weep:

Babe stop pretending you don't come home to me and your dinner on the table.

mossy1200

20th April 2015, 18:33

I try my best but gurl dont want none :weep:

Get a Honda. Ghey mens is wanting some frequently.

mossy1200

20th April 2015, 18:35

Babe stop pretending you don't come home to me and your dinner on the table.

You quote sam but I know you want a bit of Moss.:shifty:

Rikard

20th April 2015, 20:17

In kind of the same boat as well! Looking for learner bike but with some grunt 21 years old (pretty small) was looking at the RC390, ninja 300 or the new R3

Anyone test rode the RC390 yet?? And any KTM riders in chch on here

I took the rc390 out for a ride today. Was suitably impressed. I've owned the sxf 250 and 350 and I really noticed the similarities between the two. Compared to the Duke the front end felt a bit more planted and with the shorter wheelbase and higher ground clearance it flicked into the the corners really nicely. Power wise I didn't notice a huge difference but on paper the rc is taller geared so a little slower off the line with more top end.

For $9k I'd think about it....seriously

casualsonic

28th April 2015, 06:59

Thanks guys, just a bit short on funds for MT-07 brand new, so while looking at a good second hand one (which haven't seen one so fa) I am considering ninja 300 as well.

Read so many good reviews on. Ninja300 and suitability for beginners as well as a good bike to keep for a while. But as mentioned the fairing can be something to be aware in case of dropping it.

If MT0-7 was below $10k I would have gone for it.

I saw Duke 390 in the Hutt, sat on it and felt not comfortable at all. Might still take it for a ride .And it would take me long till the look of it grows on me :D

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This is aimed at trying to talk you into reconsidering the 07 :D

I had my eye on an ex-demo MT-03. I rode it, liked it, then the bloke at the dealership put me on the 07.

They had only just finished assembling their demo 07 and I put the first 30kms on it. 2 weeks later I had one in my garage.

For me, the 03 was too upright, the handle bars were too far apart and the vibrations were horrendous. The 07 felt so much more refined and smooth as anything.

With regards to the ER6N, this technology is getting on a bit. 2006 they came out with this.

Not really sure on the other bikes mentioned... The XJ6 also has had great reviews but the 07 is about the same price and I believe it is the XJ's predecessor (correct me if I'm wrong).
The MT-07 is certainly an awesome bike and the way it handles and has torque right through the gears is impressive. It still puts a smile on my face.
However, there is a few mods which are a must:
-Tail tidy
-Exhaust (I've got a yoshi coming from Canada)
-And if you like the ability to walk after two hours in the saddle... The addition of a comfort seat (I've got a comfort version coming from the States)

I'll hopefully get my full in the next few months, then wish to test ride an MT-09. If I like it as much as the 07, I may be up for an upgrade and have even more torquey goodness underneath me haha

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