Yamaha R3 vs Ninja 300

[bennz]

Hi everyone,

Apologise for a noob question, I am considering my first bike (LAMS)and pretty much decided to go with ninja 300 ABS new.

Preferably would have chosen Yamaha MT07 but the cost is an issue.

However today I saw a post about Yamaha R3 which is suppose to closely compete with Ninja 300. It seems it's not available in NZ yet.

Does anyone know if and when will it arrive? And it would pay off to wait till it is here before going ahead with Ninja?


Thanks


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[thorns]

Been waiting on news for this as well, I'm in the same boat.

Had a chat to my local dealer a month or so ago and the latest was:

"Eta is still 2nd quarter, no dates as yet from Yamaha new Zealand, I’m guessing april/may

Price $7000 to $7999 just guessing, but do not see it being dearer than Kawasaki."

My guess, I think it will be a little better all round being a new design, and slightly larger engine. A bit more power/torque.
Bugger all real world info on the web yet.

[Mike.Gayner]

I have never understood why people want to spend so much money on a bike they will outgrow in a matter of weeks/months.

[bennz]

Is it applicable to everyone ? As in every new rider would want to sell his or her ninja 300 (for example) after few months ?


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[BuzzardNZ]

Is it applicable to everyone ? As in every new rider would want to sell his or her ninja 300 (for example) after few months ?


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No, at one point I was thinking of trading in my SV1000 and getting one of these ( ninja 300 ) as a cheap economical commuter option.

[bennz]

Mine Gonna be purely for joy ride in a nice weather . So I think Ninja 300 would fit . R3 going to come to NZ in June per Yamaha's comment.

I originally was so close to buy MT-07 but my budget changed . And nothing in between tickles my fancy


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[Ender EnZed]

How about an RC390?

[f2dz]

I have never understood why people want to spend so much money on a bike they will outgrow in a matter of weeks/months.

Dat fuel economy doe

[bennz]

KTMs don't appeal to me even a bit :(


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[Mike.Gayner]

Dat fuel economy doe

Fuel economy - the justification for people who have given up on having a fun, fulfilling life. Buy a scooter if you're interested in fuel economy.

[Seraph]

There is zero point buying a brand new low cc sports bike... sheep in wolf's clothing. For the price you could probly get a bike for your learners AND another bike that'll be decent fun for your full... If it's just a weekend blaster then there's no point in making a half arsed effort..

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-857248853.htm

Idd buy this for a new LAMS bike.

[Mike.Gayner]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-857248853.htm

Idd buy this for a new LAMS bike.

It's slow, like the rest of them, but at least it has character.

Still, buy a $2,000 learner bike and save the $8k for your first real bike.

[mossy1200]

It's slow, like the rest of them, but at least it has character.

Still, buy a $2,000 learner bike and save the $8k for your first real bike.

Or buy a 2 year old LAMS bike and get 80% of your monies back.
The Enfield does have the look good factor. I would like one but I would need have it as a second bike for performance reasons.
Its the kind of thing your could do licence on and then keep if money isn't an issue when you buy bigger.

[Seraph]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/classic-vintage/auction-857248853.htm

Idd buy this for a new LAMS bike.

Or he could buy my gsx and plead ignorance if he gets pulled over..

[5ive]

Is it applicable to everyone ? As in every new rider would want to sell his or her ninja 300 (for example) after few months ?

If you can afford the 300 and you don't want to wait for the R3, then test ride and buy it if you like it. You won't know unless you ride one yourself ;)

I've spent 10 months and 12000kms on mine, and still find it very fun. I use it as a daily commuter around town (3km), and long trips away on the weekends when I can. Keeps up with bigger bikes easily, although engine size isn't the biggest factor when it comes to riding...

Getting my full licence in October, no real plans on upgrading. The 300 does everything I need it to, it's a very capable bike.

[ducatilover]

Buy a second hand bike that you won't lose thousands on and that isn't gutless and shit?

[bennz]

Thanks for all of your advice guys , very good points , maybe I try to see if anyone in wellington selling his or hers 2013+ Ninja 300.

Hard to decide between ninja 300 and MT-07 as two bikes I do like . The main issue is the higher price of MT-07 and no second hand ones around that I have seen.




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[ducatilover]

Thanks for all of your advice guys , very good points , maybe I try to see if anyone in wellington selling his or hers 2013+ Ninja 300.

Hard to decide between ninja 300 and MT-07 as two bikes I do like . The main issue is the higher price of MT-07 and no second hand ones around that I have seen.




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MT07 = a proper bike, best suspension in class, bar the Duke 659. Best brakes, lots of gadgets, handles great, lots of torque, looks great, well built.
EX300 Ninja = Cheaply made commuter, shit suspension, budget brakes, typical average Kawasaki build quality. Not worth the asking price IMHO.

Both good bikes, but the MT is better.

Your best bet would be just buy a cheaper second hand LAMS bike, spend good dosh on gear, do rider training.
Rape second hand bike, sell/trade in on shiny bike with no loss in a year

[bennz]

Ducatilover have you owned a ninja 300 ? Because how you described it defies how people speak about this bike . Not saying you are wrong but want to know if you owned one and experienced those issues


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[ducatilover]

Nope. Ridden enough of them to know they're a budget commuter and a slightly improved EX250
Most fans of them have never ridden nicer bikes, and rightfully love them
They're not a bad machine, just don't do anything better than adequate ;)

I don't think they're worth the coin unless you get a second hand one.

It's also a completely different machine to the MT, so probably not worth comparing.

[bennz]

Wish there were second hand MT-07 as the current new price is above my budget .


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[ducatilover]

I know of one that may be up for sale soon, keep your fingers crossed

[bennz]

Is it yours? Hah but would be cool if you could let me know . Hopefully it's red one !!


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[nzspokes]

Ducatilover have you owned a ninja 300 ? Because how you described it defies how people speak about this bike . Not saying you are wrong but want to know if you owned one and experienced those issues


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Young fella on one tried to beat me from the lights on one. :killingme

Well my bike doesnt say how many CCs it is.

But they are a solid bike. I just struggle to see the new value of them. Even more so when my daily ride cost a third of one.

[bennz]

Fair enough mate , but would be keen to know if that one is being sold


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[Chrislost]

I have never understood why people want to spend so much money on a bike they will outgrow in a matter of weeks/months.

best way to learn is to get a 400, and put 250 stickers on.

only a true bikie will figure it out, and if your not a complete fucktard they will probably not even have pulled you over

[Akzle]

no .

[ducatilover]

I agree with Ackshole

[FJRider]

best way to learn is to get a 400, and put 250 stickers on.

only a true bikie will figure it out, and if your not a complete fucktard they will probably not even have pulled you over

But if you attract the attention of plod ... They may have ALL details of the motorcycle (and it's registered owner) before the Disco's come on. And at the latest ... soon after you've been stopped.

Also ... regular checks are made on motorcyclists by plod following them ... (thank all those not keeping their Rego up to date for that)

[Delerium]

Closest thing I can find to a release date for the R3 is june'. some more info would be nice, id take one over the ninja.

[bennz]

id take one over the ninja.

How come ?


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[thorns]

Closest thing I can find to a release date for the R3 is june'. some more info would be nice, id take one over the ninja.

I got told May by my local dealer, but wouldn't be surprised if it went later again seeing as there is so much mixed info out there at present. Expected pricing to be lower than the ninja to.

[bigreddog]

Without doubt the R3 will surpass the Ninja in all aspects...
Yamaha build quality is second to none...

The R3 will come out of one of the Indian factories that built the R15...
There are differences in Indian build quality V Japanese notably tidiness of welds and paint finish.

I have it on good authority that bikes will be here May or even before

Price will be very competitive against the Ninja ie...Cheaper

MT-07 is a good bike for the money, but for spirited riding a new shock is needed and forks can be sharpened up as well.

[Delerium]

How come ?


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keep in mind that I haven't seen one in person, but the multiple reviews I have read all state that it has more power, higher build quality and personal preference, but I like the looks and guage cluster better.

[thorns]

Decent first ride review of the R3:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z844MP3GypQ

[cdwilkins1980]

i believe most people who have a ninja 300 abs is not keen to sell it. as it is an awesome bike. speaking from myself.

buying a small 125cc is not ideal as after about 1-2 months of riding you will want something with more power and depending on style as well.

I hear also the ninja 300 abs hold their value. anyone one the truth on this ?

cheers

[bennz]

i believe most people who have a ninja 300 abs is not keen to sell it. as it is an awesome bike. speaking from myself.

buying a small 125cc is not ideal as after about 1-2 months of riding you will want something with more power and depending on style as well.

I hear also the ninja 300 abs hold their value. anyone one the truth on this ?

cheers

Thanks for the input, have you had any issues with your bike? Anything about it that you don't like ?

I'm thinking between that and new Benelli BN302 ( naked ) . They are different bikes but can't decide which to buy.
Test rode Bn302 today as was a pretty sweet bike, on heavy side compared to Ninja 300 (around 10-12kg more)



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[Mike.Gayner]

Personally I think you're nuts to buy either of them, but you'd be especially out of your mind buying the Benelli.

[bennz]

Personally I think you're nuts to buy either of them, but you'd be especially out of your mind buying the Benelli.

What's so bad about Benelli ?
I have a good second hand ninja 300 in mind which is same price as the BN302 ($7k)


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[Delerium]

i believe most people who have a ninja 300 abs is not keen to sell it. as it is an awesome bike. speaking from myself.

buying a small 125cc is not ideal as after about 1-2 months of riding you will want something with more power and depending on style as well.

I hear also the ninja 300 abs hold their value. anyone one the truth on this ?

cheers

I think the ninja is the one to have at the moment. I also think that the R3 will match it or better it once released.

[Motolorax]

Or grab an oily, ring-a-ding ding Aprilia RS125 and embarrase litre bikes in the twisties whilst saving 3-4k. My partner has one and whilst i love my GSXR750 I'm always keen for a swap. Telepathic handling and no weight so late breaking is easy. And reminds me of being 17 again (a long time ago now..)

[Delerium]

Bit of a thread necro. Red baron now has the Yamaha in stock and is advertised on trademe too. Definitely looks like the one to have.

[baffa]

Just as long as you are under no illusion that the modern 250s and 300s are not sportsbikes. They may look like them, but theyre not.
I still dont understand why someone would spend that amount of money on something that will halve in value within 2 years, when there are superior and cheaper options available.
At least something like the MT07 and CBR500 are bikes that are built to a better standard and have enough power to get in and out of trouble (Though the 500 does not deserve the Rs in its name).

I guess I should be happy you're not looking to buy a Hyoflung.

[Delerium]

Just as long as you are under no illusion that the modern 250s and 300s are not sportsbikes. They may look like them, but theyre not.
I still dont understand why someone would spend that amount of money on something that will halve in value within 2 years, when there are superior and cheaper options available.
At least something like the MT07 and CBR500 are bikes that are built to a better standard and have enough power to get in and out of trouble (Though the 500 does not deserve the Rs in its name).

I guess I should be happy you're not looking to buy a Hyoflung.

I wouldn't buy one new.

[baffa]

Neither, but some people insist on buying new.
Which is a little stupid, but if you must, it is best to buy a bike that you wont outgrow quickly, like an mt07, or perhaps rc390

[5ive]

Cool opinions bro.

[Delerium]

Cool opinions bro.

nice productive post 'bro'.

[5ive]

Thanks bro.

[baffa]

You're always gonna love your first bike 5ive, so I dont expect you to agree.
I speak to people who started riding on GT250Rs and swear black and blue theyre great bikes.

[WristTwister]

Remember that LAM bikes have a power to weight ratio restriction, so the MT-07 will be a tamer version to fit under those restrictions. Although this question was asked a while ago, I felt strongly that it needed a PROPER answer.

NINJA
The standard Ninja 300 doesn't come with ABS unless you spend an extra $1000 for the "Special Edition" - and I'm not sure why it is special. New, the 300 SE with ABS will be $9000, for that you get a fairly nice bike, with a slipper clutch - basically a more forgiving clutch - and ABS brakes. The 300 comes with durable but not especially grippy tyres. Also there was a known issue with the front fairing getting a bit loose - nothing major but shows that build quality isn't high. The 300 is made in Thailand (correct me if I'm wrong).

R3
The Yamaha R3 comes with ABS so no extra expense there. For $8000 you also get a nice dash with big numbers for speed and a clock and petrol meter. As a learner you may also find the Gear Position indicator immensely useful, especially around city streets. The Yamaha R3 is 321cc so about 25cc more than the kawasaki but that power is nothing without good gear shift timing. The R3 is made in Indonesia.

Get a Bigger Bike like a real man!
Often bikers will say "Get something you won't outgrow" which I believe is a bit of bad advice. More often than not pros will tell you "It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow." and I agree, there is absolutely no point spending more money on a power restricted LAM bike when it will perform much like a cheaper 300. Also you have to spend money to get the performance back up to full once you get your full licence.

What Do I actually need anyway?
Consider what bike you would get if you weren't limited to just LAM bikes, I see a lot of riders on Suzuki GN250s with full licences. They are cheap bikes and they get people around. I don't believe everyone rides a bike because they love to knee drag around corners and pull wheelies, but everyone is different.


Hi everyone,

Apologise for a noob question, I am considering my first bike (LAMS)and pretty much decided to go with ninja 300 ABS new.

Preferably would have chosen Yamaha MT07 but the cost is an issue.

However today I saw a post about Yamaha R3 which is suppose to closely compete with Ninja 300. It seems it's not available in NZ yet.

Does anyone know if and when will it arrive? And it would pay off to wait till it is here before going ahead with Ninja?


Thanks


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[Topes]

Ben. What did you end up getting? I didn't like either as being a fuller figure model myself I went with a Hysoung GT250R secondhand cheap and love it. Will. Gonna spend money on my big boy bike when I go full and possibly might keep it with the whole awwww honey it's not worth selling the resale value is crap [emoji4][emoji6][emoji6]. A mate has the ninja brought it new and loves it but sitting on it it felt a little small for me. I went through looking at buying new LAMS bigger engine but just thought what many have voiced here that spending good money and then wanting to upgrade once your license is done is a waste. Spend your money on gear and save and I just saw your other post about what you got


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[bennz]

I ended up getting a triple 660 and not regretting it a bit. It is an amazing machine the triple even with Lams restrictions.

However the sad part is I have to sell it as my circumstances changed.
But trying to figure out other ways to not lose this bike as it is all I wanted and probably won't be upgrading anytime soon if I can keep it.




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[Akzle]

I ended up getting a triple 660 and not regretting it a bit. It is an amazing machine the triple even with Lams restrictions.

However the sad part is I have to sell it as my circumstances changed.
But trying to figure out other ways to not lose this bike as it is all I wanted and probably won't be upgrading anytime soon if I can keep it.




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You're so poor, you go to the park, and ducks throw bread to you!


But srs y u sofa king poor?

[bennz]

Lol that was funny mate.

I'm not poor at all but life has other priorities now :) I won't die without a bike for a while haha


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[Mike.Gayner]

Sold the 660 yet?

[bennz]

Almost gone


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[Akzle]

Lol that was funny mate.

I'm not poor at all but life has other priorities now :) I won't die without a bike for a while haha


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so y u sell your bike??

[Tazz]

so y u sell your bike??

Illegitimate love children from all the bitches he pulled with the 660?