Motorcyclist tells off van driver - You won't believe what happens next!

[McWild]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_qLvBeTCbg

Clickbait title because arguments are fun.

Go!

[rustyrobot]

Bummer he wasn't a tourist, otherwise could have taken the keys.

If you want to ask the director of the company about their policy on mobile phone use while driving, his email is: warrick@buildezy.co.nz

[TheDemonLord]

Bummer he wasn't a tourist, otherwise could have taken the keys.

If you want to ask the director of the company about their policy on mobile phone use while driving, his email is: warrick@buildezy.co.nz

I note the mobile number is visible on the Van - to Troll or not to Troll....

[iranana]

Bummer he wasn't a tourist, otherwise could have taken the keys.

If you want to ask the director of the company about their policy on mobile phone use while driving, his email is: warrick@buildezy.co.nz

and if you'd like to speak to him in person, his home address and phone number is public information (whois, companies office)

[Latte]

That escalated quickly :D

Question to the rider (OP?) - why bother instigating it, were you expecting a different outcome?

[McWild]

That escalated quickly :D

Question to the rider (OP?) - why bother instigating it, were you expecting a different outcome?

Not me, sportsbikes are for posers.

For what it's worth what you said is exactly what I said when I first saw this video.

[rustyrobot]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/67458731/road-rage-caught-on-camera

"A Canterbury police spokeswoman confirmed the incident was being investigated. "

[Moi]

Not me, sportsbikes are for posers.

For what it's worth what you said is exactly what I said when I first saw this video.

After watching video, I did wonder why not just hand the video over to the police with an "information" and not engage with the driver. In the old days if you laid an "information" then it had to be investigated... does that still happen?

Bring on unmarked police bikes...

[Latte]

Not me, sportsbikes are for posers.

For what it's worth what you said is exactly what I said when I first saw this video.

Blasphemer! Didn't you have a tidy 2 Smoker a while back?

[McWild]

Blasphemer! Didn't you have a tidy 2 Smoker a while back?

Had a couple before I ruined them, currently busy ruining another one now but it's proving more difficult, being a dual sport. Haven't met a bike I can't break yet though.

[R650R]

The guy is an embarrassment to motorbiking, classic example of why joe blogs should leave policing to the police. He's lucky that guy didn't bitch slap beat him, you really don't want to be in a fight with leathers and a full face helmet on...
Not to mention that he himself did two improper moves putting himself in danger. And operating a vehicle in noisey manner by unneeded angry engine rev, $600 fine...
I'm so sick of crap like this appearing in my news feeds from self appointed 'expert drivers'...

So the score is:
Van driver - using phone, 1 x undertaking, 1 x disorderly behaviour.
Biker - 2 x improper manoeuvre, 1 x noisey use of vehicle, 1 x obstructing traffic, 1 x disorderly behaviour instigating confrontation.

Not to mention riding/owning sports bike which in all likeliness means regular breaking of speed limits by large margins....

[98tls]

Bit miffed really,why didnt the guy on bike get off and smack the cunt in the mouth when he fronted up:weird:Not much point in getting gobby if your not going to back it up.

[Berries]

The guy is an embarrassment to motorbiking, classic example of why joe blogs should leave policing to the police. He's lucky that guy didn't bitch slap beat him.
I'd be tempted to give the bike a nudge if some arsehole do gooding hypocritical motorbike twat with a camera did that. What an arse, and now another motorist out there who is anti bikes coming past him traffic. Mind you, I did nearly shit myself when he revved the bike, that was scary.

:facepalm:

Then I see it was in Christchurch, and that explains it. The old boy was probably his biological father or something.

[TheDemonLord]

you really don't want to be in a fight with leathers and a full face helmet on...

I dunno - Armoured gloves make pretty good knuckle dusters, Chest protectors are great for stopping punches and a full face helmet is good protecting against a split lip

[98tls]

I'd be tempted to give the bike a nudge if some arsehole do gooding hypocritical motorbike twat with a camera did that. What an arse, and now another motorist out there who is anti bikes coming past him traffic. Mind you, I did nearly shit myself when he revved the bike, that was scary.

:facepalm:

Then I see it was in Christchurch, and that explains it. The old boy was probably his biological father or something.

Bit rich coming from someone in the grey area where the transition from life to death would be barely noticeable.

[bogan]

Twice in one day too, what rotten luck...

[Berries]

Bit rich coming from someone in the grey area where the transition from life to death would be barely noticeable.
The smell changes doesn't it?



A bit like Oamaru when the wind blows from the beach.

[nodrog]

Cant cunts just mind their own business?

It just reinforces Drew's new found belief.

[MD]

I'd be tempted to give the bike a nudge if some arsehole do gooding hypocritical motorbike twat with a camera did that. What an arse, and now another motorist out there who is anti bikes coming past him traffic. Mind you, I did nearly shit myself when he revved the bike, that was scary.

:facepalm:

Then I see it was in Christchurch, and that explains it. The old boy was probably his biological father or something.

Spot on. I'm sick of fucking nerds with fucking cameras running 24/7 stuck on every fucking appendix of their fucking poofta body and fucking vehicle, who think filming every fucking movement of every fucking atom that moves around them is of any fucking interest to the rest of humanity.

I don't swear often so this must have hit a nerve? I don't know which I hate the most of today's techno 'me, myself and I ', society's must haves; Facebook, selfies or GoPro?

[sidecar bob]

I'm constantly embarrassed by the conduct of motorcyclists in general. It puts me off riding a bit to be chucked in the same class as faggots like this.
There's so many newb's that think buying a bike has rendered them uber chur.

[swbarnett]

It puts me off riding a bit to be chucked in the same class as faggots like this.
It shouldn't. To not be "in the same class as faggots like this" you'd basically have to have not been born in the first place. Any way you categorise humans there will always be "faggots like this" included.

[george formby]

I'm constantly embarrassed by the conduct of motorcyclists in general. It puts me off riding a bit to be chucked in the same class as faggots like this.
There's so many newb's that think buying a bike has rendered them uber chur.
Dunno about the "in general" bit. I get the faggot bit, "uber chur" has me confuzzled.
Cock on the bike should be looking where he's going and not worrying about some tradie doing business in traffic. I see drivers on their mobiles most days, including Federales. Ride on or get a cape & save the world? Post my dangerous commute on the interwebs.. K'in knobber. About as cool as shitting in a pool full of kids gulping.
Just sayin.

[awa355]

How long before the guy films himself chasing some chink in a rental just to grab the keys?:wacko: All in the name of keeping you and I safe. :brick::brick:

[Woodman]

Yup gopro guy deserved a punch in the face. What a cock.

[nzspokes]

Easy way to fix cell phone use is to make it a $600 fine and 50 demerits.

[thepom]

Twat on the phone deserves a punch in the face too.....in fact I deserve a punch in the face too as the woman on the phone that drove across two lanes to wipe me out shows how bad a rider I am......fuck I love this forum ha ha

[sidecar bob]

Dunno about the "in general" bit. I get the faggot bit, "uber chur" has me confuzzled.


Uber, meaning supreme being, Chur meaning awesome, or excellent, so yeah, awesome supreme being I guess. ;)

[nzspokes]

Twat on the phone deserves a punch in the face too.....in fact I deserve a punch in the face too as the woman on the phone that drove across two lanes to wipe me out shows how bad a rider I am......fuck I love this forum ha ha

Yes that little point seems to be being missed.

I would like to think the driver is now getting fined for using the phone.

[Luckylegs]

Yes that little point seems to be being missed.

I would like to think the driver is now getting fined for using the phone.

Really? Did you ride this last week at or below all posted speed limits. Did you lane split, ensuring your wheels were on the left of the line 100%. Did you, [insert any and all likely decisions to apply discretion to following all traffic laws].

[nzspokes]

Really? Did you ride this last week at or below all posted speed limits. Did you lane split, ensuring your wheels were on the left of the line 100%. Did you, [insert any and all likely decisions to apply discretion to following all traffic laws].

So you use your cell phone while driving then.

[Mike.Gayner]

Jesus, people need to learn how to let shit go. Yeah, he's on a phone. He's not murdering babies. Make your point, move on. Stop being a douche.

[TheDemonLord]

If you want to use your cell while driving (cause its part of your business) then maybe you should invest in a hands free kit and not get butt-hurt when someone else points out you shouldn't be on your phone while driving.....

[swbarnett]

Easy way to fix cell phone use is to make it a $600 fine and 50 demerits.
What a load of crap. Next you'll be saying we shouldn't talk to the passenger either.

[swbarnett]

Really? Did you ride this last week at or below all posted speed limits. Did you lane split, ensuring your wheels were on the left of the line 100%. Did you, [insert any and all likely decisions to apply discretion to following all traffic laws].
Exactly. Just because it's a law doesn't make it right.

This whole cell phone crap is yet another "answer" to a non-problem. Let's just blame it on the device and completely ignore the fact that a cell phone is just another tool of the distracted driver.

Lets concentrate on the mindset that allows the driver to be distracted in the first place instead of trying to find scapegoats.

[swbarnett]

So you use your cell phone while driving then.
I used to. Only reason I don't now is because I've mellowed out in regards to the "urgency" of incoming calls.

And for the record I have NEVER been distracted from my driving while I was talking on the phone. For me it's no different to talking to the passenger - as long as driving is maintained as the number one priority then there shouldn't be a problem.

[awayatc]

instead of trying to find scapegoats.

escaped goats.........?

Akzle is your man

[swbarnett]

If you want to use your cell while driving (cause its part of your business) then maybe you should invest in a hands free kit and not get butt-hurt when someone else points out you shouldn't be on your phone while driving.....
From a legal standpoint you are correct.

And shit-heads with "Go-Pros" need to learn that they are not their "brother's" keeper.

Basically, we ALL need to just chill-out and not worry about things that are of no real consequence in the overall scheme of things. Something I've been working on my whole life and am only now starting to succeed at after 50 years.

[Yow Ling]

There have been deaths from people on phones so hardly a "non problem"

There have also been deaths from people not on the phone, quite alot more actually so maybe they need to change the law so everyone has to use their phones all the time because less people get killed that way

[bigreddog]

The guy is an embarrassment to motorbiking, classic example of why joe blogs should leave policing to the police. He's lucky that guy didn't bitch slap beat him, you really don't want to be in a fight with leathers and a full face helmet on...
Not to mention that he himself did two improper moves putting himself in danger. And operating a vehicle in noisey manner by unneeded angry engine rev, $600 fine...
I'm so sick of crap like this appearing in my news feeds from self appointed 'expert drivers'...

So the score is:
Van driver - using phone, 1 x undertaking, 1 x disorderly behaviour.
Biker - 2 x improper manoeuvre, 1 x noisey use of vehicle, 1 x obstructing traffic, 1 x disorderly behaviour instigating confrontation.

Not to mention riding/owning sports bike which in all likeliness means regular breaking of speed limits by large margins....


'you really don't want to be in a fight with leathers and a full face helmet on...'

Errrrmmm...Yes you do.

[Yow Ling]

The more views the rider gets the more money google pay him, he has probably made $40 from this faux outrage, what people will do for 5 minutes in the spotlight

[awayatc]

Why start confronting anyone without following through....?

no point acting tough and then call teach when things go south.....

[FJRider]

There have been deaths from people on phones so hardly a "non problem"

There have been more deaths by those on motorcycles ... do you propose a law against that too .. ??

[Big Dog]

I dunno - Armoured gloves make pretty good knuckle dusters, Chest protectors are great for stopping punches and a full face helmet is good protecting against a split lip

So you have actually had a fight in them?
Theory is nice but doesn't change the fact you're trading mobility and thermal freedom for a small amount of protection.

Unless you have also been training in said gear it makes you slower and more clumsy.
Anything I'm a glove that protects your hand makes your punches less effective ( brass knuckles aka knuckle dusters press the load onto your thumb and palm, not your knuckles. ) and a helmet limits your movements and cuts your senses.

If you're not a brawler and you are in full leather and regular brawler is your opponent you need to be swift and decisive. He needs to hit the deck before he knows the fight is on or your fucked.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[awayatc]

So you have actually had a fight in them?
Theory is nice but doesn't change the fact you're trading mobility and thermal freedom for a small amount of protection.

Unless you have also been training in said gear it makes you slower and more clumsy.
Anything I'm a glove that protects your hand makes your punches less effective ( brass knuckles aka knuckle dusters press the load onto your thumb and palm, not your knuckles. ) and a helmet limits your movements and cuts your senses.

If you're not a brawler and you are in full leather and regular brawler is your opponent you need to be swift and decisive. He needs to hit the deck before he knows the fight is on or your fucked.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Most people that know how to fight don't pick fights,

most people that pick fights don't know how to....

[nzspokes]

What a load of crap. Next you'll be saying we shouldn't talk to the passenger either.

:facepalm:

No fixing stupid.

[nzspokes]

I used to. Only reason I don't now is because I've mellowed out in regards to the "urgency" of incoming calls.

And for the record I have NEVER been distracted from my driving while I was talking on the phone. For me it's no different to talking to the passenger - as long as driving is maintained as the number one priority then there shouldn't be a problem.

Read the study in post #26.

[nodrog]

Really? Did you ride this last week at or below all posted speed limits. Did you lane split, ensuring your wheels were on the left of the line 100%. Did you, [insert any and all likely decisions to apply discretion to following all traffic laws].

I can almost guarantee he didn't break any road rules.

[nzspokes]

Most people that know how to fight don't pick fights,

most people that pick fights don't know how to....

Case in point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZSv4HlyfIo

[kiwi cowboy]

escaped goats.........?

Akzle is your man

Ya might have to start an auction on that mate cos UNSTUCK likes em too im told(actually he has said so on this site many times too). Ya might make some money on it :devil2::bleh:

[Big Dog]

I used to. Only reason I don't now is because I've mellowed out in regards to the "urgency" of incoming calls.

And for the record I have NEVER been distracted from my driving while I was talking on the phone. For me it's no different to talking to the passenger - as long as driving is maintained as the number one priority then there shouldn't be a problem.

Aye, but it does mean you already have one hand occupied.

Especially important it it is a good call.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Most people that know how to fight don't pick fights,

most people that pick fights don't know how to....

True words to remember when looking back at napoleonic complex Sam (short arsed man).


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

So you have actually had a fight in them?
Theory is nice but doesn't change the fact you're trading mobility and thermal freedom for a small amount of protection.

I make it a point to avoid getting into a fight in the first place, however as a hypothetical:

I agree mobility would be an issue, but I compare motorcylce gear to a knights suit of armour - trading in Mobility for durability certainly can be advantegeous. As for Thermal Freedom - most street fights are over after 30 - 1 minute, its not like going 5 x 5 minute rounds.

I think though you underestimate the amount of protection wearing a full face and a set of leathers with chest protector gives you - I have done a lot of sparring (mainly Ju-Jitsu and recently MMA sparring) and small amounts of cloth padding (for practicing leg checks against kicks) make a huge amount of difference to the amount of punishment a limb can take. Since with a Full face you don't really need to worry about being punched in the head (it might knock you round abit but its more likely to break their knuckles) all you need to worry about is your ribs/body which means a lower guard and allows you to take risks that you shouldn't/wouldn't take without it.

[swbarnett]

There have been deaths from people on phones so hardly a "non problem"
How do you know the phone was the problem? I put it to you that they would've found something to distract them with or without the phone. Correlation does not mean causation.

Attack the driver for allowing themselves to be distracted, not the scapegoat that is the phone. That logic will lead to the banning of everything, including motorcycles.

[swbarnett]

you already have one hand occupied.
You only need one hand to drive an automatic. Even a manual can be driven quite successfully with one hand. I knew a guy with one arm that did exactly that - both left and right-hand drive.

[Luckylegs]

So you use your cell phone while driving then.

Strange assumption. Id have assumed you were smarter than that. And, nope not something I feel the need to do

[swbarnett]

Read the study in post #26.
All that proves is that the average driver doesn't treat driving with the respect it deserves. If they did a phone (talking only - hands free or not) would not be a distraction.

Texting, on the other hand. Must be treated differently as it takes the eyes of the driver off the road (unless the texter is able to text blind so that their eyes are on the road the whole time).

[ellipsis]

...I may go out and do some unpaid police work later, naked...I feel like being a cunt today...I wonder if some big hairy man would fight me...I would use protection over my 'helmet'...if he wanted to feel safe...

[nzspokes]

All that proves is that the average driver doesn't treat driving with the respect it deserves. If they did a phone (talking only - hands free or not) would not be a distraction.

Texting, on the other hand. Must be treated differently as it takes the eyes of the driver off the road (unless the texter is able to text blind so that their eyes are on the road the whole time).

Read the study in post #26.

[haydes55]

I remember as a kid watching 2 sidecar guys, in full race kit, holding each other by the helmet and punching each other in the helmet. They both walked away uninjured... SNZ probably stood them down or something.

In the heat of the moment. Gear won't hold you back. You'll be able to walk it off easier though.

[Tazz]

Read the study in post #26.

Eating is as bad. Sneezing is worse. Sharting it right up there (well not really if you get technical).
Where do you draw the line? Do we need complete physicals and heart scans before turning the key? Should a GoPro come with big boy pants and a Police ticket book?

Living is dangerous.


http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50355_312834181311_4199324_n.jpg

[nzspokes]

Should a GoPro come with big boy pants and a Police ticket book?



I dont really care. Would be handy if Police could charge off footage but then I guess you open the door to fake footage.

[Tazz]

I dont really care. Would be handy if Police could charge off footage but then I guess you open the door to fake footage.

If they can't even go onto a property to recover a stolen car or iPad that has a GPS locator pointing them right to it then there is no hope for any of that jive turkey :laugh:

[Monsterbishi]

I remember as a kid watching 2 sidecar guys, in full race kit, holding each other by the helmet and punching each other in the helmet. They both walked away uninjured... SNZ probably stood them down or something.

In the heat of the moment. Gear won't hold you back. You'll be able to walk it off easier though.

If someone gets hold of you while you're wearing your helmet, you're f*&ked - it's like having a big lever attached to your neck.

[jasonu]

'you really don't want to be in a fight with leathers and a full face helmet on...'

Errrrmmm...Yes you do.

Not if your opponent gets a hold of it and uses it to swing on.

[swbarnett]

I dont really care. Would be handy if Police could charge off footage but then I guess you open the door to fake footage.
Even genuine footage is too open to interpretation. Sometimes it seems clear what's happened until you see the footage from another camera that tells a completely different story.

[TheDemonLord]

Actually thinking on this - I *555'd a driver a couple of weeks ago:

Was late at night, going up SHW1 to Silverdale - driver was all over the lane and I assumed they were pissed - I called *555, and was asked to follow them - fortunately they were going the same way I was.

They got pulled over at the Red Beach intersection by 2 cops - they asked for my statement - I gave it.

Turns out they were:

1: On a Learners (no supervisor in the car)
2: Texting on their cell phone (which explains why they couldn't stay in their lane)
3: to quote the officer 'she's in a bit of an emotional state, looks like she just had a fight with her partner'

[Big Dog]

Human nature is that you engage more if you hold the phone. You see it all the time in offices. People natter away about crap on speaker but pick up the phone to write details down.
I prefer a paperless office. So I use a headset and type the info I need to keep. Still need to fight the urge to pick up the handset when things get detailed.

It one of those things you just can't contract out of. You will always give more of your attention to what you are touching.

I have hands free for mobile in car and on the bike. Not because it's law but because the paying attention is easier. I also tell people I am driving / riding and to text me details.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

I have used a phone without hands free before the changes. I just don't see how you can pay full attention and not drop the phone. And what do you do with your phone if things go tits all of a sudden?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

Human nature is that you engage more if you hold the phone. You see it all the time in offices. People natter away about crap on speaker but pick up the phone to write details down.
I prefer a paperless office. So I use a headset and type the info I need to keep. Still need to fight the urge to pick up the handset when things get detailed.

It one of those things you just can't contract out of. You will always give more of your attention to what you are touching.
Have someone threaten you with a gun while you're on the phone and see which you give more attention to.

It's the same in a car. The problem is the lack of respect for what can be a deadly weapon. Keep this in mind and you don't have a problem.

BTW: I have never felt the urge to pick up the phone when it's on speaker other than to keep things private. I'm regularly in meetings where someone has been dialed in on speaker phone and have never felt the need there either.

[swbarnett]

I just don't see how you can pay full attention and not drop the phone.
Learn to drive with one hand. It's not that hard. Especially with an automatic.


And what do you do with your phone if things go tits all of a sudden?
See above and forget the conversation. Don't feel pressure from the person on the other end that's left hanging to return to the conversation too early (this also applies to conversations with you passenger). Been there, done that - and not because I was on the phone.

[nzspokes]

Learn to drive with one hand. It's not that hard. Especially with an automatic.



Did you learn that at an Advanced Driving School?

[swbarnett]

Did you learn that at an Advanced Driving School?
It's not an advanced skill. Turning a steering wheel doesn't need to be a two-handed operation. I seldom have two hands on the wheel at any one time.

I could do it before but I really practiced it after meeting a one-armed man in Europe that didn't have a choice.

[nzspokes]

I seldom have two hands on the wheel at any one time.




:eek5::crazy:

[Big Dog]

Yeah. Nah. Don't really spend enough time in a car to be worth it.
Much happier not answering the phone at all than trying to overcome instinct.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

I know. It's not for experienced expert drivers but I sometimes use a handy free service from Vodafone. Text drive on to 756.
Stops texts arriving. When you are ready to get texts again text drive off to the same number. Not sure but I think it forward calls to voicemail on first try ( advises users you are driving if it is urgent they can call back to be forwarded to you).

Not very hairy chested biker I know. I also know less than a third of my kms are in a car.
Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

:eek5::crazy:
:lol: No, it's not what you might be implying. Mostly the other arm is just resting on the center console or the window frame.

[Big Dog]

Works a treat if your at the pub and don't want calls too.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

Yeah. Nah. Don't really spend enough time in a car to be worth it.
Much happier not answering the phone at all than trying to overcome instinct.
If this works for you then more power to ya. All I'm really saying is that because some people don't seem to be able to concentrate on their driving (with or without a phone) it doesn't mean that we're all like that. Treat driving with the respect it deserves and almost nothing will distract you from the task at hand.

[nzspokes]

I know. It's not for experienced expert drivers but I sometimes use a handy free service from Vodafone. Text drive on to 756.
Stops texts arriving. When you are ready to get texts again text drive off to the same number. Not sure but I think it forward calls to voicemail on first try ( advises users you are driving if it is urgent they can call back to be forwarded to you).

Not very hairy chested biker I know. I also know less than a third of my kms are in a car.
Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

These days my only time in a car is when transporting my kids. Rest of the time is on the bike.

I have my phone sound turned off when driving. My advanced driving courses never mentioned driving while yaking on the cell phone.

[sidecar bob]

What the fuck's with people driving manual cars. There should be a law against needing to grope around down in the centre console somewhere fucking about with levers while driving a car.
That shit has to be far more dangerous than yarning on the phone.

[nzspokes]

What the fuck's with people driving manual cars. There should be a law against needing to grope around down in the centre console somewhere fucking about with levers while driving a car.
That shit has to be far more dangerous than yarning on the phone.

How many new drivers can drive a manual? Thing of the past.

[Big Dog]

What the fuck's with people driving manual cars. There should be a law against needing to grope around down in the centre console somewhere fucking about with levers while driving a car.
That shit has to be far more dangerous than yarning on the phone.

Different parts of the brain.
Subconscious takes care of repetitive same travel movements. Holding a cellphone is different as the range of motion is not limited to specific actions and accesses the conscious.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

What the fuck's with people driving manual cars. There should be a law against needing to grope around down in the centre console somewhere fucking about with levers while driving a car.
That shit has to be far more dangerous than yarning on the phone.
This has to be a troll????

Us old timers started driving when automatic cars were very new and not very common. As far as I'm concerned if you have no experience of driving a manual then you have no basis on which to comment.

[swbarnett]

How many new drivers can drive a manual? Thing of the past.
Ever heard of a sport shift? That's just a manual gear change with an automatic clutch.

[scumdog]

What the fuck's with people driving manual cars. There should be a law against needing to grope around down in the centre console somewhere fucking about with levers while driving a car.
That shit has to be far more dangerous than yarning on the phone.


Same with indicators.
And wipers.
And dip-switches.

[swbarnett]

Different parts of the brain.
Subconscious takes care of repetitive same travel movements. Holding a cellphone is different as the range of motion is not limited to specific actions and accesses the conscious.
Once the phone is by ear there is no motion involved at all. Unless you're talking about texting? That's a different kettle of fish altogether.

[scumdog]

How many new drivers can drive a manual? Thing of the past.

Only if you're an uncoordinated spastic retard..

[nzspokes]

Same with indicators.
And wipers.
And dip-switches.

Dip switches are by the steering wheel these days. The floor ones died years ago. Does your Marina have one?

[nzspokes]

Ever heard of a sport shift? That's just a manual gear change with an automatic clutch.

Heard of a Landrover? Thats what I got my learning in. :lol:

[nzspokes]

Only if you're an uncoordinated spastic retard..

Must be a lot of them about then as most younguns Ive come across cant drive a stick shift.

[nzspokes]

Once the phone is by ear there is no motion involved at all.

Like checking in mirrors, blind spots etc?

[scumdog]

Dip switches are by the steering wheel these days. The floor ones died years ago. Does your Marina have one?

Nah, Marina is modern-as, - on the stalk.

All the other cars are floor mounted dip-switch models.

(Can't figure it out, why would you NOT have them on the floor - especially on an automatic)

[Berries]

Must be a lot of them about then as most younguns Ive come across cant drive a stick shift.
I bet they can multi quote.

[scumdog]

I bet they can multi quote.

Oh yeah, THAT'S going to save your life someday...:innocent:

[nzspokes]

I bet they can multi quote.

That will be handy when your boss asks you to move the work van and its manual.

[Berries]

That will be handy when your boss asks you to move the work van and its manual.
Maccas have work vans these days?

[Berries]

That will be handy when your boss asks you to move the work van and its manual.
How things have changed.

[nzspokes]

Maccas have work vans these days?

I dunno, have a look when you are at work tomorrow.

[Berries]

Burger King, FTW.

[scumdog]

Burger King, FTW.

Burger Fuel, choice.

(Bit of a ride though...)

[swbarnett]

Like checking in mirrors, blind spots etc?
How are they phone movements? Your hand and phone don't move relative to your head.

[Yow Ling]

Must be a lot of them about then as most younguns Ive come across cant drive a stick shift.

I would be more carefull with those admissions, after all there is a police presence in this thread

[AllanB]

Funny post. Fucking Go-Pro. I'd been ashamed to post it - all that chest puffing over a phone and the tradie won.

And the Go-Pro dude probably made the tradie late. There should be a fine for this in Christchurch!

Is this the same rider who put up images of a traffic altercation over someone not saying hello or similar?


Driving a car with one arm is a piece of cake.

Given all the electronic fiddlery in a new car the dashboard/radio can be very distracting.

How distracting is changing maps or anti-wheelie etc settings while riding a new motorcycle?



Fucking Go-pros

[Katman]

I spent four years riding in some of the most congested traffic you could imagine - all the time conversing with a dispatcher via the radio perched on my shoulder.

Mobile phones don't have to be a distraction. Unfortunately though, the majority on our roads seem to be so fucking stupid that that's exactly what they allow them to be.

Dumbing society down to the lowest common denominator since ages ago.

[mossy1200]

I bet they can multi quote.

Sure.


I bet they can multi quote.

Yes.


I bet they can multi quote.

No problem.


I bet they can multi quote.

Easy.

[EJK]

How distracting is changing maps or anti-wheelie etc settings while riding a new motorcycle?


Easy. One single thumb press.


Is this the same rider who put up images of a traffic altercation over someone not saying hello or similar?


Didn't find what you were after, but something like this?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bx73CT4t4Sg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[McWild]

And the Go-Pro dude probably made the tradie late. There should be a fine for this in Christchurch!

All of my agreement.


Fucking Go-pros

Be A Hero!

[Akzle]

after reading the last page of this thread, i've decided it was a waste of time, and that you're all bitches.


eating sushi with chipsticks, rolling joints, and texting while driving a manual since ages ago.

[Asher]

Easy. One single thumb press.



Didn't find what you were after, but something like this?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bx73CT4t4Sg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Look up Angry Ducati Rider.
But no not the same person. The guy who got into the altercation didnt want to share it around under his name so let someone else post it online.

[98tls]

Guys brillant compared to some of this lot...https://youtu.be/Q_S61MyZtkA

[Delerium]

I spent four years riding in some of the most congested traffic you could imagine - all the time conversing with a dispatcher via the radio perched on my shoulder.

Mobile phones don't have to be a distraction. Unfortunately though, the majority on our roads seem to be so fucking stupid that that's exactly what they allow them to be.

Dumbing society down to the lowest common denominator since ages ago.


sooooo this. I swear that the more we take away peoples need to think, the more bat shit stupid retardation we see. I believe that there is a village in Holland that ripped out all the traffic lights and put in roundabouts. traffic accidents dropped. Don't get me started in the stupid phasing of the lights in Auckland.

[Berries]

Don't get me started in the stupid phasing of the lights in Auckland.
What, don't they come on when it gets dark?

You bloody Aucklanders and your weird ways.........

[Akzle]

sooooo this. I swear that the more we take away peoples need to think, the more bat shit stupid retardation we see. I believe that there is a village in Holland that ripped out all the traffic lights and put in roundabouts. traffic accidents dropped. Don't get me started in the stupid phasing of the lights in Auckland.

yea, but that's your own retarded fault for living in auckland. fucken retard.

roundabouts are gay as shit. any nigger who cant handle their shit at an uncontrolled intersection should be shot.

[awayatc]

yea, but that's your own retarded fault for living in auckland. fucken retard.

roundabouts are gay as shit. any nigger who cant handle their shit at an uncontrolled intersection should be shot.

Let me guess......

you haven't taken your meds yet today ?


that's got to be close......

[Laava]

At the risk of repeating someone elses comment, cos I can't be arsed reading all eight pages, when does the "you wont believe what happens next!" bit start?
Perhaps it should have said, "what happens next is quite predictable!"
Mind you, I guess it wouldn't have made eight pages then?

[caspernz]

All quite amusing. Does anyone know how long ago the rider was turned down to join the real Police?:tugger:

[Ender EnZed]

Guys brillant compared to some of this lot...https://youtu.be/Q_S61MyZtkA

Gotta feel a bit sorry for the poor cunt on a bicycle getting run over by a second car at 6:45.

[awa355]

In a few years drones will be commonplace, then watch the self righteous flood the internet with clips of what everyone else is doing wrong, all without having to leave home. :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

Gotta feel a bit sorry for the poor cunt on a bicycle getting run over by a second car at 6:45.

Yeah that was harsh.

[Juniper]

I commute every day and seriously considering getting a go-pro and videoing all of the bad drivers then sending the footage to the cops. I'm not big on confrontation myself but getting those fuckers with a bit of assisted karma would be satisfying.

[Tazz]

iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/emb" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

He's got some good vids but....really!? Of all people. Absolute 'do as I say don't do as I do....'
No doubt there are clips on there from a car driver of him with some wingey noises and gestures, so classic example of why it is pointless trying to get high and mighty.

[TheDemonLord]

I commute every day and seriously considering getting a go-pro and videoing all of the bad drivers then sending the footage to the cops. I'm not big on confrontation myself but getting those fuckers with a bit of assisted karma would be satisfying.

This is what keeps tempting me to get a Go-Pro, that and should I die horribly due to some stupid Fucker on their cell phone, the police will have the footage to go after the driver (and by go after the driver I actually mean: ignore it, have my family send it to the media, the IPC publish a report saying the police didn't do shit properly, the police to ignore all the findings and carry on business as usual)

[Luckylegs]

I commute every day and seriously considering getting a go-pro and videoing all of the bad drivers then sending the footage to the cops. I'm not big on confrontation myself but getting those fuckers with a bit of assisted karma would be satisfying.

Seriously, It might be a better investment paying for some counselling!

[Luckylegs]

This is what keeps tempting me to get a Go-Pro, that and should I die horribly due to some stupid Fucker on their cell phone, the police will have the footage to go after the driver (and by go after the driver I actually mean: ignore it, have my family send it to the media, the IPC publish a report saying the police didn't do shit properly, the police to ignore all the findings and carry on business as usual)


Seriously, It might be a better investment paying for some counselling!

Get in touch with Juniper, you might be able to get a discount if you both go!

[The Reibz]

After reading though this thread ive come to the conclusion that its some of the gayest shit ive ever seen.

[Juniper]

Get in touch with Juniper, you might be able to get a discount if you both go!

Why would we need counseling? Because we don't like people not paying attention to the road where if they don't see us, or reach to pick up their dropped cellphone, and hit us we die? Or because I don't want to get into a physical confrontation with someone so I'll send the videos to the police and watch karma be served from a safe distance?

My view on our "Laws" and breaking them is that if I'm caught I know what the law of the land is and I broke it so I'll take whats given. If I don't like it I'll move to somewhere that doesn't have laws.
(Now I just hope I don't get caught, like everybody that does 110.5km overtaking a truck)

[Luckylegs]

Why would we need counseling? Because we don't like people not paying attention to the road where if they don't see us, or reach to pick up their dropped cellphone, and hit us we die? Or because I don't want to get into a physical confrontation with someone so I'll send the videos to the police and watch karma be served from a safe distance?

My view on our "Laws" and breaking them is that if I'm caught I know what the law of the land is and I broke it so I'll take whats given. If I don't like it I'll move to somewhere that doesn't have laws.
(Now I just hope I don't get caught, like everybody that does 110.5km overtaking a truck)

Cos in my opinion you're a little emotive. I might run across one or two (or three or four) dopey drivers in a day, but frankly they're a very small % of the total number I interact with so i don't let them bother me. You on the other hand seem quite affected by them. Hopefully the rest of your life is calmer

Would your view on laws and getting caught change if I arranged to come and record your every move ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Geezer with the gopro needs to get a life.

310164

[Juniper]

Cos in my opinion you're a little emotive. I might run across one or two (or three or four) dopey drivers in a day, but frankly they're a very small % of the total number I interact with so i don't let them bother me. You on the other hand seem quite affected by them. Hopefully the rest of your life is calmer

Would your view on laws and getting caught change if I arranged to come and record your every move ?

No.

I would maybe break less rules though lol. But whenever I'm around other cars that I can't identify then I assume that there could be a cop sitting in 1 of them. I've gone past many a cop lane splitting, and even had a bike cop lane split behind me. But if they do me for something then I'll take it. Lane splitting I might try to argue the point but the laws the law, and lane splitting is in the grey area.

[nodrog]

I hope some body had a go blow on yesterday when I nearly wheelied over a gsx11 in the middle of town.

pooftas.

[Luckylegs]

No.

I would maybe break less rules though lol. But whenever I'm around other cars that I can't identify then I assume that there could be a cop sitting in 1 of them. I've gone past many a cop lane splitting, and even had a bike cop lane split behind me. But if they do me for something then I'll take it. Lane splitting I might try to argue the point but the laws the law, and lane splitting is in the grey area.

So you break the rules you feel comfortable breaking while happily reporting others to the police for breaking rules you don't agree with?

[TheDemonLord]

So you break the rules you feel comfortable breaking while happily reporting others to the police for breaking rules you don't agree with?

Fucking Aye!

Because when I break rules - generally I am the only one who is going to get hurt when I break them - when other people break rules, they aren't the people that get hurt when they break them.

And if thats not enough for you:

Fuck other people - I'm more important to me than them.

[Luckylegs]

Fucking Aye!

Because when I break rules - generally I am the only one who is going to get hurt when I break them - when other people break rules, they aren't the people that get hurt when they break them.

And if thats not enough for you:

Fuck other people - I'm more important to me than them.

Does this apply to Riding and Driving. Lets face it, your a big arse ugly fucker!, I'f I was you I'd probably be more worried about putting that go pro in the Car and recording skull fuckery people are up to around your new "Precious Cargo"

[Big Dog]

Does this apply to Riding and Driving. Lets face it, your a big arse ugly fucker!, I'f I was you I'd probably be more worried about putting that go pro in the Car and recording skull fuckery people are up to around your new "Precious Cargo"

Attach the go pro to the "previous cargo". See life from her point of view.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[ellipsis]

When Did Bikers Become So Fucken Soft

....oh hang on...Drew already asked this question...as you were...soft cunts...

[Crasherfromwayback]

When Did Bikers Become So Fucken Soft

....oh hang on...Drew already asked this question...as you were...soft cunts...

Couldn't agree more.

[Akzle]

...soft cunts...

well they wouldnt be much fun if they were hard...

[Juniper]

So you break the rules you feel comfortable breaking while happily reporting others to the police for breaking rules you don't agree with?

If I get caught then I get caught and pay my dues, and I'm more likely to make this face :facepalm: :spanking:. If others get caught doing something that could endanger me then I have no problem in assisting karma. :2guns:

[Luckylegs]

Im converted! Rode home with a fella with a camera attached (it appeared) to the chin bar of their helmet. Now thats some fuckin cool shit! Stop them pesky bugs hitting me in the neck too.

[rastuscat]

All abuse aside, does wearing a camera cause us to stir up things just for the footage?

[bogan]

All abuse aside, does wearing a camera cause us to stir up things just for the footage?

Clearly not, didn't you see the dude in that vid puss out?

[Brett]

Rights and wrongs aside, I would be changing the name of my company, my cellphone number and associated marketing collateral as this sort of thing will ruin his business. Motorcyclist was a bit of a twat to be honest.

[awayatc]

Motorcyclist was a bit of a twat to be honest.

a bit of a twat....?

what were the redeeming factors then. .?

coz I didnt see any...

[The Reibz]

Guy on the bike is a fucken gay cunt. Nuff said.
If you see something on your travels that pisses you off, IE: Guy on his phone. Just stay out of the way and move on with your day like you never saw it. I reckon around 90% of motorcyclists I meet somehow consider themselves some sort of elite just because they are on two wheels. Constantly complaining, and just being little bitches in general. The thing that gets to me the most is that some cunts feel the need to ride around and film this type of shit then make a 15 minute VLOG where they go on and on about it. Then they get thousands of cunts just as gay as them subscribing and commenting on their shitty video. Kind of like this thread.

Like I said originally. "Some of the gayest shit ive ever seen"

Harden the fuck up KB

[swbarnett]

I commute every day and seriously considering getting a go-pro and videoing all of the bad drivers then sending the footage to the cops. I'm not big on confrontation myself but getting those fuckers with a bit of assisted karma would be satisfying.
Be careful what you wish for. Some of what you consider perfectly valid in your own riding/driving may not be viewed as such by all (lane splitting for one). Do you really want to be judged by the uneducated masses?

I hate to quote scripture but this is particularly apt - "Judge not lest yee be judged".

[swbarnett]

If I don't like it I'll move to somewhere that doesn't have laws.
What planet is that?


(Now I just hope I don't get caught, like everybody that does 110.5km overtaking a truck)
I hope you realise that the more cameras there are the better the chances of you getting caught? Do you really want to add to that number?

[swbarnett]

Fuck other people - I'm more important to me than them.
I hope you realise that it's this same self-important attitude that makes "other" drivers dangerous.

When I ride or drive I fully respect the rights of others to do likewise. Yes, I will take my piece of road but at the same time I will go out of my way to allow others theirs. Whether they know I'm there or not.

[TheDemonLord]

I hope you realise that it's this same self-important attitude that makes "other" drivers dangerous.

True, but the difference between Me and "Other" drivers is that I am right ;)

[Juniper]

Be careful what you wish for. Some of what you consider perfectly valid in your own riding/driving may not be viewed as such by all (lane splitting for one). Do you really want to be judged by the uneducated masses?

I hate to quote scripture but this is particularly apt - "Judge not lest yee be judged".

It's Kiwibiker lol, one will ALWAYS be judged by uneducated masses on here lol!!


What planet is that?


Exactly! I like this country. I generally say that to other people, that if they don't like it they can move. Or take a stand and make an effort to change laws and systems they don't agree with. Sign petitions, public speaking at events, letters to MP's, joining MAG things like that.



I hope you realise that the more cameras there are the better the chances of you getting caught? Do you really want to add to that number?

As I said before. If I get caught then I get caught. I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. :rolleyes:

[yevjenko]

...Texting, on the other hand. Must be treated differently as it takes the eyes of the driver off the road (unless the texter is able to text blind so that their eyes are on the road the whole time).

in the early days of the app store, there was a text app that turned the camera on and overlaid the texting app so you could still see the road behind the letters you were typing :facepalm:

[yevjenko]

How many new drivers can drive a manual? Thing of the past.

This is why kiwi drivers are shit. They should all be made to learn and drive the first couple of years in a manual so they have to be more in tune with the car and the events going on around them.

[Big Dog]

This is why kiwi drivers are shit. They should all be made to learn and drive the first couple of years in a manual so they have to be more in tune with the car and the events going on around them.

Plus 1.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

If I get caught then I get caught.
Agreed. But surely you don't want to increase your chances of getting caught?


I shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. :rolleyes:
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong. Of all the illegal things I may or may not have done on the road only a tiny minority do I now consider I shouldn't have done. And then I don't need a ticket to pull my head in - the close call is education enough.

[Swoop]

Fuck me. You cunts owe me 5mins of my life going through this wank-fest of a thread.

Harden the fuck up.

[Juniper]

Agreed. But surely you don't want to increase your chances of getting caught?


Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong. Of all the illegal things I may or may not have done on the road only a tiny minority do I now consider I shouldn't have done. And then I don't need a ticket to pull my head in - the close call is education enough.

No I don't really to increase my chances of getting caught. But I do want to increase others that endanger my lifes chances of getting caught. and I can't have it both ways. So for the greater good....

Generally most of my "illegal" activity hasn't endangered me (more than just being on a bike). Things like may or may not have used the cycle lanes and cycle spots at the front of traffic ques. And most of my numb nut moments on the open road have been taking corners at the legal road speed (not the corner suggested speed) things like I can't take a 35 at 80 :facepalm:

And I fully agree that not all illegal things are wrong, and not all legal things are right either. e.g. not having to wear a helmet if you wear a turban. Or not wearing any gear at all on a scooter except for a tiny helmet.

[swbarnett]

No I don't really to increase my chances of getting caught.
By having a camera you are increasing the number of cameras on the road and promoting their use for "observation" of other drivers. Therefore you are increasing your chances (and mine) of being caught on camera and reported.


But I do want to increase others that endanger my lifes chances of getting caught.
Personally I couldn't care less if they're caught or not. As far as I'm concerned the vast majority of "bad" drivers that do things that could be seen as "endangering my life" are of no consequence to me as I look out for them. If an incident happens and I come out still rubber side down then I'm better off to think that their actions are their problem, not mine.


and I can't have it both ways. So for the greater good....
True. The greater good is served best by removing N'th degree of scrutiny we have today. A world where I can look after myself (while doing harm to noone) without fear of being raked over the coals by someone that know's nothing about me or the way I ride is what I'm talking about.


In case you hadn't noticed I'm definitely an "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff" kind of person. I'd far rather that than a fence at the top that blocks the view.

[jasonu]

This is why (insert any modern western country) drivers are shit. They should all be made to learn and drive the first couple of years in a manual so they have to be more in tune with the car and the events going on around them.

Fixed.....

[Juniper]

In case you hadn't noticed I'm definitely an "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff" kind of person. I'd far rather that than a fence at the top that blocks the view.

I'm a fence at the top and ambulance at the bottom kinda person. Because there will be some people (me and you) who will jump the fence and base jump to the bottom in total style and land safely. aaaaaand then there will be others that jump the fence trip and fall and drag someone down to their horrible and gruesome death.

[nodrog]

What the fuck?

Do I need a builders Report to go on a ride now?

[Maha]

What the fuck?

Do I need a builders Report to go on a ride now?

Your Code of Compliance certificate has been emailed to you.

[Juniper]

What the fuck?

Do I need a builders Report to go on a ride now?

Haha you already do. WOF, Rego, Licence, Laws....... mind you the fence is a bit broken in parts!


I once heard it would be better for learners to ride a motorcycle first in the interest of developing awareness. This was confirmed by a guy on here who said when his wife was learning to ride she found it was necessary to become far more aware than driving a car.

Yes I 100% agree. I became such a better driver after I started riding.

[Swoop]

What the fuck?

Do I need a builders Report to go on a ride now?
If you can fill in the Hazard Register and file it under your seat, prior to commencing the ride please.

[yevjenko]

Fixed.....

Actually no. Most of europe doesn't use automatics anywhere near as much as NZ in my experience. Ireland is getting up there with their japanese import usage going up (and their driving is also pretty bad).

[Scubbo]

"You won't believe what happens next!" posts can get fucked.

[swbarnett]

What the fuck?

Do I need a builders Report to go on a ride now?
Some people do. They need to build a bridge and get over it.

[nodrog]

Your Code of Compliance certificate has been emailed to you.

choice!


I once heard it would be better for learners to ride a motorcycle first in the interest of developing awareness. This was confirmed by a guy on here who said when his wife was learning to ride she found it was necessary to become far more aware than driving a car.

fuck it must be true then.


If you can fill in the Hazard Register and file it under your seat, prior to commencing the ride please.

how will I know I will encounter some fucktard on his goat pro before I set off?

[nodrog]

Some people do. They need to build a bridge and get over it.

I thought it was a fence?

fuck it, ill just build a ramp.

[willytheekid]

I got camera on bike!:eek: (not right now tho...damn thing broke mount...again!!:facepalm:)

I don't post online or share the footage with anyone*(and don't send in all the footage of carnage etc on ChCh roads to the popo)...its not what its for :no:

Mines there in case I get knocked...hard!:pinch:, a few mates know its hidden on the bike and its purpose...to speak for me if I cannot!. (And I hope that day never comes)

I actualy used to have it in a visual place (shoulder strap on bag)...but when some people see a camera, and they have been acting up...YOU ARE SUDDENLY THERE NEXT TARGET OF RAGE!!:crazy:

I had a rethink after some boy racers thought I was filming them being dicks (Was just trying to ride home)...but they saw a camera!, so they tried to forcably stop me for a wee "chat"...with there fucking car!!:eek5:

Twice now, the visable camera has caused me such grief with dickheads (It also works the other way sometimes, people pull there head in etc)...but I no longer risk it now:no:, hence the hidden camera for MY personal reasons, so if the worst ever happens, my friends can get the footage, and once "checked", my family can possibly have more answers than questions.

But I do like watching ride & track vids etc,:yes: so I encourage those use's etc...but I feel some on here need to be aware of the possible repercussions of being "armed" with a highly visable camera...don't play cop like the guy in the vid did...he was lucky that van driver was "reasonable"...ish, and not some insane kid on a high and acting out of rage or panic...and trying to "remove" the evidence.:crazy:

Ride Safe Kbers:love:...we aint the popo!, were mean't to keep them employed ;) (There paid to deal with that shit...we aint!)


* cept that time you lot asked to see the ChCh roads after the quake...a one off, cos I hate sharing :bleh::laugh:

[Old Steve]

They should all be made to learn and drive the first couple of years in a manual so they have to be more in tune with the car and the events going on around them.

We made our son learn and get his license in a manual, and he still drives a manual 3 or so years later.

Also, when he first got his L plate, I took him out onto the driveway and had him sit in the driver's seat and keep an eye on me as I walked 1 metre away from the back and side of the car until he lost sight of me in the side mirrors. I told him to always look over his shoulder before changing lanes or pulling out as the motorbike rider's life he saved might be his fathers. We also did a defensive driving course together, and I'd take him out in the car and discuss things we had covered in the course with him.

I've been in the passenger's seat when he drives and he always checks over his shoulder. I'm quite comfortable being a passenger with him. I'm satisfied with the job I did, wish some other parents took as much interest in their children's driving safety.


I'm a fence at the top and ambulance at the bottom kinda person. Because ... there will be others that jump the fence trip and fall and drag someone down to their horrible and gruesome death.

Actually, wouldn't a hearse at the bottom be more appropriate?

[caseye]

We made our son learn and get his license in a manual, and he still drives a manual 3 or so years later.

Also, when he first got his L plate, I took him out onto the driveway and had him sit in the driver's seat and keep an eye on me as I walked 1 metre away from the back and side of the car until he lost sight of me in the side mirrors. I told him to always look over his shoulder before changing lanes or pulling out as the motorbike rider's life he saved might be his fathers. We also did a defensive driving course together, and I'd take him out in the car and discuss things we had covered in the course with him.

I've been in the passenger's seat when he drives and he always checks over his shoulder. I'm quite comfortable being a passenger with him. I'm satisfied with the job I did, wish some other parents took as much interest in their children's driving safety.



Actually, wouldn't a hearse at the bottom be more appropriate?

Well done that man, did the same with all three of our girls. They all drive well, no one on a bike needs to fear them, some car drivers should though.
The ones that really , really, REALLY Piss em OFF!

[Juniper]

he was lucky that van driver was "reasonable"...ish, and not some insane kid on a high and acting out of rage or panic...and trying to "remove" the evidence.:crazy:

Ride Safe Kbers:love:...we aint the popo!, were mean't to keep them employed ;) (There paid to deal with that shit...we aint!)


* cept that time you lot asked to see the ChCh roads after the quake...a one off, cos I hate sharing :bleh::laugh:

Actually the van driver ripped the camera off his helmet and then threw it out the window later down the road.

[Big Dog]

What the police need to do is offer a percentage of the fine money to those who have camera evidence of an offence as after all they are doing their job for free. I agree with you the guy on the bike took a risk and I guess those that see themselves as wannabe police will continue to take the risk in the same way as those on the opposite side of the law do.

I thought that too. At first.
The trouble with video evidence is it only shows what the submitter wants you to see.

For all we know the van driver was trying to call the police to report a biker pulling stunts in traffic. It doesn't take much in the way of editing skills to lop your stoppie where you almost ran a little old lady over off.

It is bad enough listening to all the whinging around here when someone gets a ticket. "Oh, the cop hid under a bridge. Impossible not to speed there on such an awesome bike with my awesome skills." Wa fucken waaaa.

Now imagine a world where people want to make a little cash and can get it by submitting videos.
I am willing to bet most people reading this post can think of at least one person who would cause situations so they can edit their own actions out and submit for cash.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

What the police need to do is offer a percentage of the fine money to those who have camera evidence of an offence as after all they are doing their job for free. I agree with you the guy on the bike took a risk and I guess those that see themselves as wannabe police will continue to take the risk in the same way as those on the opposite side of the law do.

What the police need to do is keep doing what they do.

What we as citizens need to do is let them with as little bellyaching as possible.
Sure if a ticket is unjust fight it. If it is not unjust pay your tax and move on.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[caspernz]

What the police need to do is keep doing what they do.

What we as citizens need to do is let them with as little bellyaching as possible.
Sure if a ticket is unjust fight it. If it is not unjust pay your tax and move on.

Yep, that's fair enough.

Another funny aspect I've discovered after years of research...is that if I drive/ride in a sensible and respectful manner, in general that's the response I get back. Indicating, safe following distances, keeping left, you know that basic shite? We're always gonna come across the exception, and that includes ambiguous policing from time to time.

Oh, and when someone makes a little mistake in front of me then I just take a deep breath and let it go. How much of the drama on our roads is storm in a teacup stuff?

[TheDemonLord]

What we as citizens need to do is let them with as little bellyaching as possible.
Sure if a ticket is unjust fight it. If it is not unjust pay your tax and move on.


This is the fine line though - at what point is it Just/Unjust? To many, the 5 Kph tolerance is Unjust, but from a Police PoV, they issued a valid ticket etc.

Further to this - the police can't be everywhere at once, and so we have a responsibility to work with them to crack down on illegal behaviour - sometimes that is *555 a driver, but that may not always be possible.

[willytheekid]

What the police need to do is offer a percentage of the fine money to those who have camera evidence of an offence as after all they are doing their job for free. I agree with you the guy on the bike took a risk and I guess those that see themselves as wannabe police will continue to take the risk in the same way as those on the opposite side of the law do.

Willytheekid aint no nark! :oi-grr:....popo can do there job

...and I will just continue to do mine! :Punk:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQSP2Jrzjoc7DjG0_FOObA-fQtiBUmmadq42yP9LkEVJybzdJrng

...the money chasing wannabe camera cops can fuck right off!, theres enough people restricting HARMLESS FUN as it is.<_<

[Big Dog]

This is the fine line though - at what point is it Just/Unjust? To many, the 5 Kph tolerance is Unjust, but from a Police PoV, they issued a valid ticket etc.

Further to this - the police can't be everywhere at once, and so we have a responsibility to work with them to crack down on illegal behaviour - sometimes that is *555 a driver, but that may not always be possible.

But is it really unjust to expect people to follow the rules?

I got a ticket yesterday. 12 over.
Fair enough. I was 12 over.
2 kms more than tolerance. But that is still 12 over the posted limit.

EOD: if I did not know I was speeding then I deserved a second ticket for not paying attention. As it was, I knew I was over the posted limit but was not aware I was over the tolerance.
It was justified. At 101 I would have wanted to see a calibration cert. hell at 103 I would have argued till I was blue in the face. But if the advertise tolerance was 105 and I got popped at 106. That's the rules.

Not my first ticket. In the past I have always been 1 km over the posted tolerance. But I don't argue them because I was speeding.
Over 8 years and a 150000 kms on a bike since last ticket.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

The problem with your argument is that the police can not be everywhere at once and having public cameras keeping an eye on things as well can only be a good thing as long as the owner of the camera does not try and physically confront as well.

The problem with your argument is that you are not stating a new point of view or introducing new evidence. So not really an argument as much as restating your original position.
No, the police cannot be everywhere.
Would you really want them to be?
Have you looked at your own life and thought I am completely without sin in all aspects?
Do you always correctly indicate? Observe all speed limits? Do you recycle? Do you dispose of your oil in a responsible manner? Have you ever found something in the street without handing it in?
Have you ever executed a lane change to find that no your head check was not adequate?
Have you never broken the law without getting caught? Mass survailence might put an end to crime but at what cost?

For that matter do you know what all the applicable laws are at all times?

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[veldthui]

But is it really unjust to expect people to follow the rules?

I got a ticket yesterday. 12 over.
Fair enough. I was 12 over.
2 kms more than tolerance. But that is still 12 over the posted limit.

EOD: if I did not know I was speeding then I deserved a second ticket for not paying attention. As it was, I knew I was over the posted limit but was not aware I was over the tolerance.
It was justified. At 101 I would have wanted to see a calibration cert. hell at 103 I would have argued till I was blue in the face. But if the advertise tolerance was 105 and I got popped at 106. That's the rules.

Not my first ticket. In the past I have always been 1 km over the posted tolerance. But I don't argue them because I was speeding.
Over 8 years and a 150000 kms on a bike since last ticket.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

There is no tolerance anymore so you were 12 over. Has been in papers and such for months now.

[Big Dog]

There is no tolerance anymore so you were 12 over. Has been in papers and such for months now.

Not what the officer issuing the ticket said.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[swbarnett]

But is it really unjust to expect people to follow the rules?
That depends on the rules. Justice and legality are NOT the same thing.

[swbarnett]

Mass survailence might put an end to crime
Even mass surveillance won't put an end to crime. What about those controlling the surveillance?


but at what cost?
I do, however, agree wholeheartedly with this. The "benefits" of mass surveillance (assuming there are any) will never outweigh the negatives.

[rustyrobot]

Even mass surveillance won't put an end to crime. What about those controlling the surveillance?


Just try recording a police officer. See how well that "if you've got nothing to hide..." justification works.

[swbarnett]

Just try recording a police officer. See how well that "if you've got nothing to hide..." justification works.
Exactly. Our "system" today is based on hypocrisy.

[Big Dog]

That depends on the rules. Justice and legality are NOT the same thing.

Aye, some laws and rules are unjust... and there are channels for seeking to ammend them.
Arguing with the police at the side of a busy motorway is neither constructive nor realistic.
My only observations that even come close to negative about that experience was that there was not the usual opportunitiy to explain my position and he never actually told me I was being fined.
License please, do you want to see the laser reading? Is this your vehicle and is it warranted registered etc.

I don't think it would have changed whether I got a ticket or not but it does make you feel more a part of the proccess and less like a victim if you get to state your side.

At first he appeared to be looking forward to getthing the big bad biker for everything he could.

By the time we were done:
He seemed a little disappointed I was friendly, legal and cooperative.
He seemed a little embarrased to be giving me a ticket... not that he actually told me just slipped it into my hand when returning my license with a sheepish look on his face.

Personally I think in the location I got stopped a speed limit including tolerance below 130 is asking for trouble. More than once I have had to up the anti speed wise against my will due to the poor driving skills of some of the people coming down that hill. But the rules are what they are, I made my choice that it was worth risking the fine and it is time to man up and pay the fine for my actions.

[Big Dog]

Even mass surveillance won't put an end to crime. What about those controlling the surveillance?


I do, however, agree wholeheartedly with this. The "benefits" of mass surveillance (assuming there are any) will never outweigh the negatives.

The first was a little tounge in cheek to provide a setting for the latter.
We really need a sarcasm font.

[Big Dog]

Just try recording a police officer. See how well that "if you've got nothing to hide..." justification works.

That all depends on how you go about it and the intentions of the officer at the time the camera comes out.
Pull out a camera and ask them if they mind if you record as is your right to do and I would hazard a guess that few would object.
Pull out a camera thrust it in their face and rant about how "I am recording this pig. It's going on facebook, my lawyers going to fuck you up" etc. and I doubt you will get a warm reception.
Any where in between will be met with resistance equal to the attitude you present them with.

Much the same as badge numbers and names.
IF you ask politely most will freely hand over that information some will even give you their business card.
Be a cock about it and they may just introduce you to the truncheon first.

[Akzle]

Just try recording a police officer. See how well that "if you've got nothing to hide..." justification works.

you'd be surprised how fucken retarded some of them are. they think they know the stick of "law" and when you start explaining shit to them they're all "derp derp. hand out out tickets"

silly cunts.

[Akzle]

Pull out a camera thrust it in their face and rant about how "I am recording this pig. It's going on facebook, my lawyers going to fuck you up" etc. and I doubt you will get a warm reception.

Much the same as badge numbers and names.
IF you ask politely most will freely hand over that information some will even give you their business card.
Be a cock about it and they may just introduce you to the truncheon first.

this is exactly the way to do it. check out youtube for much hilarity. "freeman schools cop on law" etc.

they're obliged to identify themselves as a police officer. any 13year old retard can steal a cop car and turn he lights on :o

i make them wait, while i phone their sergeant, who usually refuses to give out details. much like teh po.
game over - failed to identify yourself as a policy enforcement officer - every action ILLEGAL.

[swbarnett]

The first was a little tounge in cheek to provide a setting for the latter.
We really need a sarcasm font.
Agreed. Often catches me out...

[yevjenko]

Agreed. Often catches me out...
Surely just typing /sarcasm at the end would work?

[Big Dog]

Surely just typing /sarcasm at the end would work?

Kind of spoils the effect. Mind you I quite like the current system of winding up those who don't notice.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Surely just typing /sarcasm at the end would work?

Really need to use correct HTML Tags

[yevjenko]

Really need to use correct HTML Tags
Heh heh...

[swbarnett]

Surely just typing /sarcasm at the end would work?
I had the same thought myself. Or perhaps a sarcasm smiley.

[Gianz]

Just another thread to demonstrate that kiwibiker is actually a cagers forum.

[Berries]

Looks like we have found the aspiring film producer.

[swbarnett]

Just another thread to demonstrate that kiwibiker is actually a cagers forum.
How so ?

[Akzle]

Really need to use correct HTML Tags

ahem...

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[TheDemonLord]

ahem...

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[yevjenko]

ahem...

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Which doesn't come thru on tapawhatsit

[huff3r]

Which doesn't come thru on tapawhatsit

Sounds like a personal problem.

[yevjenko]

Sounds like a personal problem.
Line you wouldn't believe