Winston wins Northland - what now?

[oldrider]

I just see on the TV that Winston has won Northland by about 4000 votes! - I hope that is good for the country! :niceone:

[blue rider]

I just see on the TV that Winston has won Northland by about 4000 votes! - I hope that is good for the country! :niceone:

can't be any worse that Mike Sabin. Now that is going to be interesting to see pan out, once the bugger looses his name supression. :)

Or how good would have been for the country if this Osborne guy would have won....if Joyce would let him speak?

the only thing that I want to know is how much all these Star National MP's in their limosines have cost us the Tax Payers?

Could we get Mike Sabin and the National Party donors to re-fund the cost to the treasury?

[husaberg]

Must admit I've been bewildered in recent years at what people build as holiday homes. Veritable mansions compared to the farm cottage my dad grew up in - and his parents as farmers were relatively well off compared to most.

The holiday crib I was eventually lucky enough to share with other people consisted of two Tiwai workers huts joined together with a leaking roof and no insulation at all. Continually spent various sums on plumbing and replacing a frozen superheater. Aye but we were lucky... :D


Not what I expected from a speech..........:msn-wink:

[stify]

well I'm glad winston won, bet my co worker 20 bucks, so my next box is free :clap:

[JimO]

not good for northland but good for the lizard king

[oldrider]

Hmmm - TPPA? - exit stage left or at least the brakes have been slammed on for a bit - but spose Winston will have his price! :rolleyes: (in US dollars?)

[Laava]

Now we get to see the master worm his way out of all his promises as well. Good old Winston! Still he is a better choice than Rob Ford...oops, I mean Osbourne!

[TheDemonLord]

Great.....

Now Winston - The hot air balloon, the perpetual state beneficiary, the spanner in the beurocratic machine - Peters, gets to play king maker again.

Fucking Great.

[Mike.Gayner]

This is extremely good for New Zealand. No matter what you think of Winnie, he's an extremely effective politician who will drag this government back towards the centre.

And beats the hell out of that kiddy fiddler Sabin that the Nats stood behind.

[Gremlin]

Well currently he can't actually deliver on the promises he made (which Nats highlighted anyway). So as above, let's watch him weasel out of them.

However, it would seem that the north had had enough, felt things weren't getting done, so pushed for a change. Fair enough to them and how democracy works. I haven't seen how that changes the mix of parliament (other than being the obvious seat down on the right).

On a personal level I detest Winston, pretty much everything bad about politicians, stirs up shit periodically on well flogged horses just to get some screen time etc and lying most of the time to round out the package.

[Laava]

This is extremely good for New Zealand. No matter what you think of Winnie, he's an extremely effective politician who will drag this government back towards the centre.

And beats the hell out of that kiddy fiddler Sabin that the Nats stood behind.

Why are you saying he is a kiddie fiddler? I thought he was being done for assault?

[george formby]

If nothing else, everybody who voted or watched TV tonight knows who is MP for Northland.
I have zero expectations but high hopes for entertainment.
Our MP, Winston, loves being on the telly and Northland has the best rabble rousers. Great combo.

[Mike.Gayner]

Why are you saying he is a kiddie fiddler? I thought he was being done for assault?

Watch this space.

[Delerium]

Hmmm - TPPA? - exit stage left or at least the brakes have been slammed on for a bit - but spose Winston will have his price! :rolleyes: (in US dollars?)

Hopefully, TPPA is something that will lose national the next election.

[Delerium]

This is extremely good for New Zealand. No matter what you think of Winnie, he's an extremely effective politician who will drag this government back towards the centre.

And beats the hell out of that kiddy fiddler Sabin that the Nats stood behind.


Yep, absolutely agree.

[pete376403]

Winston resigns his list seat and that allows them to bring in another NZF list member.
Does this just make the Maori Party, ACT and United Future a little more important to National?

[Maha]

well I'm glad winston won, bet my co worker 20 bucks, so my next box is free :clap:

Geez you're a cheap date Mark.

[Maha]

Why are you saying he is a kiddie fiddler? I thought he was being done for assault?

Assault can be Sexual/Emotional and Common. The word assault ''could'' have been used loosely on this occasion.

[awa355]

The one thing I like about Winnie is that he pisses the rest of the MP's off. I notice that Key has flown to Auss (us paying?) to watch the cricket rather than support his national workers at the election hq.

[R650R]

I love Winston, classic underdog. Heckled by many but keeps fighting and comes out on top.
Classic display about how BS the whole modern politics and left right paradigm pigeon hole thing is too....

[jasonu]

I notice that Key has flown to Auss (us paying?) to watch the cricket rather than support his national workers at the election hq.

You can't blame the guy for that. Given the choice I am sure most would have gone to the cricket too.

[Delerium]

I love Winston, classic underdog. Heckled by many but keeps fighting and comes out on top.
Classic display about how BS the whole modern politics and left right paradigm pigeon hole thing is too....

Yip, he forces the rest to be accountable.

Im in the Epsom electorate and for some reason the fucktards that live here keep voting act.

[george formby]

I love Winston, classic underdog. Heckled by many but keeps fighting and comes out on top.
Classic display about how BS the whole modern politics and left right paradigm pigeon hole thing is too....

Not sure if your applying that to Winnie or the By election. I really feel for Willow Jean Prime, in my mind the best MP for us with her feet in the community.
But, no. Compromise.

Pre election Key said if you don't vote for us Northland gets nothing, Osborne has said similar since. Bullying, arrogant, pricks much?
Oh, the bridge carrot has been part of the Regional development plan for years, re-inventing it for an election is typical Nat smoke & mirrors. They lost because they don't give a toss about this region.

[admenk]

Im in the Epsom electorate and for some reason the fucktards that live here keep voting act.

That's because they're so loyal to National that they vote Act :facepalm:. So much for thinking for yourself.

[gjm]

Best of a not particularly good lot, imho.

Winnie may well be a spanner in the works, but at least he is there. If in any doubt, think what would have happened (continue to happen) had National held the seat.

Labour will have spoken with Winnie - hence the unspoken(?) support for him. Feel a bit sorry for their candidate, but she'll be remembered in the party and could well get something later.

The object of the exercise was to get National out of the seat. That's worked. What happens next will be interesting.

[george formby]

The object of the exercise was to get National out of the seat. That's worked. What happens next will be interesting.

Indeed. On the bright side, if nothing happens then it's situation normal.

[Laava]

Assault can be Sexual/Emotional and Common. The word assault ''could'' have been used loosely on this occasion.

Yes, i checked out what Derryn Hinch had to say about it.
http://www.humanheadline.com.au/hinch-says/a-kiwi-conspiracy

[husaberg]

Yes, i checked out what Derryn Hinch had to say about it.
http://www.humanheadline.com.au/hinch-says/a-kiwi-conspiracy

For those with short memories
Mentioned in the article is the other person the former all Black (always protected from being named even though his victim fought for him to be named) was also a former National MP.
http://laudafinem.com/2014/11/18/grahame-thorne-the-national-party-mp-who-thought-he-was-telling-us-all-something-we-didnt-already-know/

[blue rider]

not good for northland but good for the lizard king

out of curiosity, what is not good for northland? that winston won instead of the hostage called Osborne? Or that Mike Sabin had to resign for 'personal reasons'? Or that National run Mike Sabin despite knowning that he had 'personal issues' costing us a by election less then 5 month after the general election? or that Winston won after National held the seat for 50 odd years, and now the sky will come falling down on the Northlanders cause National was so good to them in the last 50 years, all those double laned bridges, good jobs, rock star economy, affordable houses ,and their good on business large and small nous?

Really, what is not good for Northland?

[blue rider]

Not sure if your applying that to Winnie or the By election. I really feel for Willow Jean Prime, in my mind the best MP for us with her feet in the community.
But, no. Compromise.

Pre election Key said if you don't vote for us Northland gets nothing, Osborne has said similar since. Bullying, arrogant, pricks much?
Oh, the bridge carrot has been part of the Regional development plan for years, re-inventing it for an election is typical Nat smoke & mirrors. They lost because they don't give a toss about this region.



Winston is coming to the end of his career, Willow Jean Prime is at the beginning of her career. She will be good and well looked after come 2017. This is but the beginning for her.

As for the bridges, National literally can not NOT build the bridges....cause they will neve live down the NOT building of the bridges. Fucked either way they are.

[blue rider]

Why are you saying he is a kiddie fiddler? I thought he was being done for assault?


there are few 'crimes for assault' that warrant this kind of name suppression. Especially considering that National changed the law in regards to name suppression around 2010 and actually made it harder to get name suppression. So in order for anyone to get suppression not only of the names of the victims, but also the perpetrator and the court the deed needs to be a bit more than just 'assaulting' someone one.

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-makes-name-suppression-harder-get


nder the proposals, the court will only be able to make an order prohibiting the publication of a defendant's name, address, occupation, or other details likely to lead to their identification, on the following grounds:



Where there is a real risk of prejudice to a fair trial.
To prevent undue hardship to the victims.
Where publication would identify another person whose name is suppressed by order or by law (e.g. a victim).
Where publication would endanger the safety of any person.
Where publication would cast suspicion on other people that may result in undue hardship.
To prevent extreme hardship to the accused and/or people connected to the accused.
Where publication would be likely to prejudice the interests of the maintenance of law, including the retention, investigation, and detection of offences.

Mr Power said the legislation would make it clear there is no presumption of extreme hardship solely on the grounds that an alleged offender is well known.


"Being famous is not a good enough reason to be granted name suppression.

there is then the 'prominent New Zealander' that had name suppression til end of Feb 2015, wich then was extended till end of March 2015 to be again extended in an emergency hearing until April 20th, 2015 - which is the date of the courtcase.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11394223 - Jan 30th
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404727 - Feb 19th
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/prominent-new-zealander-name-suppression-extended-vy-170285 - March 19th
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11424208 - March 27th - appeal to lift name suppression granted again.

so there is a prominent new zealander, facing charges for 12 instances of indecent behaviour, who is on name suppression.

But for all we know this got nothing to do with Mike Sabin and his personal issues, this is just the story of a prominent New Zealander who had to indecently to assault someone cause obviosly now one gave it up for free to that prominent New Zealander.

[george formby]

Winston is coming to the end of his career, Willow Jean Prime is at the beginning of her career. She will be good and well looked after come 2017. This is but the beginning for her.

As for the bridges, National literally can not NOT build the bridges....cause they will neve live down the NOT building of the bridges. Fucked either way they are.

LOL. We shall see. The Nats work off a wonky ledger so if they say we can't afford it & flourish some cherry picked statistics their numerate voters will accept the decision. Just like an uber conference centre and greater gambling opportunities. How useful.

Currently the biggest catalyst up here would be an international airport. We have 2 existing runways big enough (cheers US) and some very wealthy corporations and individuals hankering after it. The knock on effect has a very positive impact on most of our regional issues, roading, employment, business, real estate, etc. I would happily see the growth of overseas owned developments up here if it created such a game changer. Less risky than a bunch of oil wells that's forshore. Not that I'm totally against extraction. Just sayin.

[george formby]

I've never considered Sabin to be a prominent New Zealander, not even prominent in Northland, really.

[blue rider]

LOL. We shall see. The Nats work off a wonky ledger so if they say we can't afford it & flourish some cherry picked statistics their numerate voters will accept the decision. Just like an uber conference centre and greater gambling opportunities. How useful.

Currently the biggest catalyst up here would be an international airport. We have 2 existing runways big enough (cheers US) and some very wealthy corporations and individuals hankering after it. The knock on effect has a very positive impact on most of our regional issues, roading, employment, business, real estate, etc. I would happily see the growth of overseas owned developments up here if it created such a game changer. Less risky than a bunch of oil wells that's forshore. Not that I'm totally against extraction. Just sayin.


Not sure about international airports with 24 hour landing rights. But NZ could profit with smaller airports to link the provinces to the larger cities.

I do believe that WJP will have a good future, she is smart, articulate and a Northlander. As for Winston, he is seventy now, ....not matter what when he bites the dust, JWP is still young.

I actually believe that Winston will be good.....I don't think he has a shred of use for the current lot of Nationalistas nor has he any need for them. Winston is no Peter Dunne.

[blue rider]

I've never considered Sabin to be a prominent New Zealander, not even prominent in Northland, really.


National MP
Head of the Law and order Committee - appointed by Dear Leader - cause nothing shows more class than overseing the Police that is handling the investigation into ones wrong doings. (for this alone should dear leader have been pelted with rotten eggs n tomatoes)
as per his Wikipedia

"In 2006, he founded MethCon Group, a company that supplies drug education. He sold the company in October 2010.[1] He also played a role in the establishment of drug courts in New Zealand by inviting American judge Peggy Hora to talk about how drug courts operate in the United States.[5]

In 2008, Sabin received a Sir Peter Blake Emerging Leader Award"

also he is the Father of Brooke Sabin - national mouthpiece on TV.

anyways, define prominent in NZ :)

[george formby]

I've seen Winston "socially" on more than one occasion, I would not invite him to my BBQ's, but he sure has put the national spotlight on us. Interesting couple of years ahead up here.

Update, just read your prominent post. I was going to say that I thought he was just another MP with his nose in the trough but you beat me to it. The social effect of his endeavours are not apparent around here.

[blue rider]

I've seen Winston "socially" on more than one occasion, I would not invite him to my BBQ's, but he sure has put the national spotlight on us. Interesting couple of years ahead up here.


oh c'mon spill the gossip......:) :clap:

[husaberg]

I've seen Winston "socially" on more than one occasion, I would not invite him to my BBQ's, but he sure has put the national spotlight on us. Interesting couple of years ahead up here.

I wouldn't want to supply the alcohol for him either.......
He has an impressive ability to diminish the supply.

[george formby]

I wouldn't want to supply the alcohol for him either.......
He has an impressive ability to diminish the supply.

Cheers.
Bolshy bugger, too, if he's not the center of attention.

[husaberg]

Cheers.
Bolshy bugger, too, if he's not the center of attention.

I don't know the guy but I have seen him drink its impressive even by West Coast standards.
Only a wee buggar to.
His daughter isn't half bad looking, I would invite her instead.
http://pictures-e2.thumbtackstatic.com/pictures/4283/h0q3tdehk1x6n6ww_400.jpg

[gjm]

His daughter isn't half bad looking either I would invite her instead.
http://pictures-e2.thumbtackstatic.com/pictures/4283/h0q3tdehk1x6n6ww_400.jpg

Bree? Didn't she take up with some TV show or summat?

I think Winnie is the appropriate winner. He'll make some sort of difference - apparently he's already taken a pop at John Key about the railways. I suspect JK will be in for a very rough ride going forward, which has to be a good thing. JK has directed snide and belittling comments at a lot of people and been able to walk away when it got too hot - it could be his turn to be on the receiving end, and he'll have nowhere to hide.

[husaberg]

Bree? Didn't she take up with some TV show or summat?

I think Winnie is the appropriate winner. He'll make some sort of difference - apparently he's already taken a pop at John Key about the railways. I suspect JK will be in for a very rough ride going forward, which has to be a good thing. JK has directed snide and belittling comments at a lot of people and been able to walk away when it got too hot - it could be his turn to be on the receiving end, and he'll have nowhere to hide.

Yes Shortland Street.
Plays a sociopath I understand.
So maybe a career in politics afterwards.
<img src="http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/shortland_street/2015/02/pania_thinking_e345_Master.jpg" width="540px"/>

[AllanB]

Fucking Peters. What a self serving ego maniac. He'll do nothing for them. Bloody old drunk.


IMO politicians should have to retire at the retirement age. Period.

[oldrider]

Fucking Peters. What a self serving ego maniac. He'll do nothing for them. Bloody old drunk.


IMO politicians should have to retire at the retirement age. Period.

That changed long ago - nobody has to retire any more so why should politicians - otherwise you are spot on! :yes:

[husaberg]

Fucking Peters. What a self serving ego maniac. He'll do nothing for them. Bloody old drunk.


IMO politicians should have to retire at the retirement age. Period.

Over 65's make up (he googles) well over 12% of the population. So if you take into account that they nearly always actually vote they are a critical voting block.
So a candidate also being over 65 might be considered appealing to them in a MP.

[AllanB]

Oh don't worry when he does retire he is secure in the knowledge that the NZ public will continue to pay him generously and he will retain a fine selection of perks.


Dump that shit too - is there any other business where when you leave it you continue to get perks?

[Flip]

I like Winny.

I like him more and more he has stuffed up JK's plans for Kiwi domination. He was the right man at the right time and the right place and he will stick it to the man on the right.

He is a smart operator, he has been in Kiwi politics for 40 years and has never used his family as a political decoys. It shows me he has a good moral centre. Yep he is a trouble maker but he is my trouble maker so he is all right in my book.

[Swoop]

He's smart enough to take a "safe"* national electorate seat away from them.


* So safe that they relaxed and put that fat chump in as the new national party candidate.



In these times, you require someone who will be the "umpire" in parliament. Keeping a very close eye on what is going on - especially now since liarbour are away in la-la land.

[Shadowjack]

They lost because they don't give a toss about this region.
The other side of that coin is when they do give a toss about your region - that's when they replace a duly elected Regional Council with "commissioners" and proceed to drown said region in cows...and get the region to clean up the mess afterwards.
Bitter? Moi? Never...

[blue rider]

Oh don't worry when he does retire he is secure in the knowledge that the NZ public will continue to pay him generously and he will retain a fine selection of perks.


Dump that shit too - is there any other business where when you leave it you continue to get perks?

as all the other ones.
Hmmm, I am sure Paula Bennett, double dipping Blinglish and and Peter Dunne (just to name a few) will enjoy their fine selection of perks and their generous retirment package, courtesy of the Tax Payer.

Does that not make us feel all special :)

[Akzle]

just a reminder, for all you old white fucks who think that voting changes anything and who then piss and moan about it until next voting-time:

vote akzle. lulz guaranteed.

winston v. jk in the thunderdome defore sundown.

[Akzle]

that is, assuming the weasely jew fuck doesn't skip the country to his third holiday-mansion under US jurisdiction..



but i hear NZ has a great SAS. so might put them to some good use for once.

[Laava]

just a reminder, for all you old white fucks who think that voting changes anything and who then piss and moan about it until next voting-time:

vote akzle. lulz guaranteed.

winston v. jk in the thunderdome defore sundown.

I spose we could vote for you and then you could do all the pissing and moaning for us. That does seem to be all you do.
Yep vote axhole. Bludging, pissing and moaning for you so you don't have to!
That would work.

[Akzle]

I spose we could vote for you and then you could do all the pissing and moaning for us. That does seem to be all you do.
Yep vote axhole. Bludging, pissing and moaning for you so you don't have to!
That would work.

give it a crack,er, old white cunt.

[mashman]

I spose we could vote for you and then you could do all the pissing and moaning for us. That does seem to be all you do.
Yep vote axhole. Bludging, pissing and moaning for you so you don't have to!
That would work.

Sounds like hand in glove to me. The lulz would be awesome though.

[ellipsis]

I like Winny.

I like him more and more he has stuffed up JK's plans for Kiwi domination. He was the right man at the right time and the right place and he will stick it to the man on the right.

He is a smart operator, he has been in Kiwi politics for 40 years and has never used his family as a political decoys. It shows me he has a good moral centre. Yep he is a trouble maker but he is my trouble maker so he is all right in my book.

...^...
.........

[Laava]

Sounds like hand in glove to me. The lulz would be awesome though.

He would be a big hit with the fisheries.
The Benefisheries.

[oldrider]

that is, assuming the weasely jew fuck doesn't skip the country to his third holiday-mansion under US jurisdiction..

He has never answered these people their question yet? :https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/ I wonder why?

Is John Key an American citizen? - his actions would suggest that he is - why doesn't he answer the question? :shifty:

Why they asked the question: https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/11/21/the-problem-with-foreigners/

[AllanB]

as all the other ones.
Hmmm, I am sure Paula Bennett, double dipping Blinglish and and Peter Dunne (just to name a few) will enjoy their fine selection of perks and their generous retirment package, courtesy of the Tax Payer.

Does that not make us feel all special :)

Arses all of them! Specially that useless turn coat Dunne - The days pay and serving NZ should be reward enough for any politician.

[Akzle]

Arses all of them! Specially that useless turn coat Dunne - The days pay and serving NZ should be reward enough for any politician.

:killingme
serving!

[MisterD]

Why they asked the question: https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/11/21/the-problem-with-foreigners/

Can I, as a Englishman married to a New Zealander and with two NZ-born kids just say this: :killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :killingme:killingme

[bogan]

Can I, as a Englishman married to a New Zealander and with two NZ-born kids just say this: :killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme :killingme:killingme

Can I, as a 3rd or 4th gen (I've lost count) kiwi, who has never even been overseas, concur :D

[gjm]

It's started. Yesterday in Parliament (http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/peters-to-key-sit-down-thats-a-good-lad-2015033115).

"Sit down. That's a good lad." said Winnie. Does that make John Key Eyeore? Johnkey - donkey... I think it does!

Interesting that while everyone else was chuckling at the comments made, the Speaker threatened to have WP removed. The Speaker is, of course, a member of the National Party. Eyeore's bitch?

[bluninja]

Boo!..........

[Katman]

....as a 3rd or 4th gen (I've lost count) kiwi, who has never even been overseas.....

Thought as much.

[stify]

Geez you're a cheap date Mark.

that has an element of truth in it...:msn-wink:

[mashman]

It's started. Yesterday in Parliament (http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/peters-to-key-sit-down-thats-a-good-lad-2015033115).

"Sit down. That's a good lad." said Winnie. Does that make John Key Eyeore? Johnkey - donkey... I think it does!

Interesting that while everyone else was chuckling at the comments made, the Speaker threatened to have WP removed. The Speaker is, of course, a member of the National Party. Eyeore's bitch?

Hey, stop knocking it coz we pay to be entertained in such a way. Two old blokes verbally fending off making points or answering questions, comedy gold... how anyone can tire of such a thing is beyond me.

[Akzle]

...we pay to be entertained in such a way...

yes old chap, but i don't believe we pay them to do it!

[gjm]

Hey, stop knocking it coz we pay to be entertained in such a way. Two old blokes verbally fending off making points or answering questions, comedy gold... how anyone can tire of such a thing is beyond me.

I think it's funny. Winnie and Eyeore.

Nominations for the role of Piglet, and Christopher Robin? :D

[pete376403]

Gerry Brownlee is what piglets turn into after a number of years wallowing in the trough.