Ticket for lifting front wheel?

[CRACKATTACK]

G'day all,

Yesterday while out for a ride with my good mate, he accelerated away from a set of lights a little too eagerly and lifted the front wheel. We were at the front of the lights and there was no other traffic on our side of the rode so I guess you could say it was "safe", anyway Mr Policeman must have been on the opposite side of the road and hooked a u-turn and promptly pulled us/him over.

Now the question I have is is this actually illegal? That is the lifting of the front wheel, it would have been for 1 maybe 2 seconds max and not even past 45*, not like he was at 12oclock or holding it for a long period or anything. The cop threatened him with 28 day impoundment under the "Boy Racer Act" :eek5: not even sure if that is possible? He wasn't racing or losing traction or anything like that.

In the end he was given a fine for "Operated in manner likely to cause annoyance" what does that even mean? And how the hell do you subjectively test/measure that? Seems like a bs cop out (excuse the pun) because they couldn't actually ticket him for anything. The only info I can find relating to that is this:
In addition, the Traffic Regulations 1976 specify vehicle standards and prohibit a range of undesirable
driving behaviours such as driving in a manner likely to cause annoyance and creation of excessive noise.

So a 1976 law being used to dish out instant $600 fines, that's more than running a red light, texting while driving, and even doing 40kmh over the speed limit! Just seem ludicrous to me :angry:

The other question I have is is this worth contesting? Seems like one of those ones they just give out and expect you not to challenge them on and make an easy $600 off you, on the flipside could he have been let off lightly? Is there any possibility of being charged with careless or even reckless driving just for a small lift of the front wheel/wheelie?
We also noticed the officer left the time of the ticket is that something that can get him off?


I had a quick search and managed to find this thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/2892-Who-s-been-caught-doing-a-wheelie-and-what-penalty-(or-Whisky-s-I-have-Known)?highlight=wheelie+penalty which has some good info but then tails off into which whisky is best...:pinch: haha.

Anyway any advice or insight is much appreciated

[Luckylegs]

Suck it up princess!

FFS!

[R650R]

He didn't get a ticket for doing a wheelie, more for the excessive acceleration that would have been needed to do it and the associated noise.
Did he cop an attitude with the cop? It is the holiday road toll period expect to have to reign in your normal riding a bit. He very well could have been charged with unnecessary exhibition of speed or same with acceleration.
What would you think of say two boy racer subarus side by side at lights and one takes off at similar pace??? Yes some bikes wheelie easy but a good rider can switch it on or off easy....

[EJK]

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[FJRider]

The other question I have is is this worth contesting? Seems like one of those ones they just give out and expect you not to challenge them on and make an easy $600 off you, on the flipside could he have been let off lightly? Is there any possibility of being charged with careless or even reckless driving just for a small lift of the front wheel/wheelie?
We also noticed the officer left the time of the ticket is that something that can get him off?


Anyway any advice or insight is much appreciated

A certain member from Oamaru lost his license for a few months for the same thing.


No consistency in policing nowdays ... dammit ...



Advise ... ??? quit whinging ... <_<

[Waihou Thumper]

He or you didn't even look to see who or what was on the road? at the time?
before he did this stupid action?

Talk about situational awareness and motorcycle riding! Duh! :brick:

Suck it up and pay, FFS, if you are going to do wreckless things at intersections when cops are around, expect to be caught...

No sympathy here although maybe a legal loophole, naa....
If the reg fits and details fit, then he was there irrespective of the time right?

[Waihou Thumper]

So a 1976 law being used to dish out instant $600 fines

And that means fuck all.....
We still have laws here even older than that!

Count himself lucky the idiot didn't have to walk...

[CRACKATTACK]

Haha should have expected these sort of replies, let me clarify a few things, the speed limit wasn't broken, excessive noise? Possibly but that's subjective and the bike has passed a wof with no questions asked of the exhaust noise levels. Also their was no attitude given, he just apologised for lifting the front wheel and was respectful and well mannered, also I was not side by side racing him, I was in the same lane just slightly back and to the right of him.

So what actually justifies "a manner likely to cause annoyance"? I'm not saying what he did was right but to hit him with that large of a fine for the minimal lift of the front wheel seems out of whack to me. Surely a warning or a fine of $200 or so with demerits would be a more reasonable option?

A guy on a big single or torquey bike can easily pop the wheel up by being a bit overzealous with the gas but if they drop it down rather than keeping it in the air surely that shows you're not trying to deliberately do it? Kinda like sustained loss of traction and how if you start to spin your wheels but back off they usually won't have a go at you for it.

It just seems like a bit of a bend over and take it situation because we're the Police and what we say is gospel don't ask any questions. :Police:

[EJK]

Haha should have expected these sort of replies, let me clarify a few things, the speed limit wasn't broken, excessive noise? Possibly but that's subjective and the bike has passed a wof with no questions asked of the exhaust noise levels. Also their was no attitude given, he just apologised for lifting the front wheel and was respectful and well mannered, also I was not side by side racing him, I was in the same lane just slightly back and to the right of him.

So what actually justifies "a manner likely to cause annoyance"? I'm not saying what he did was right but to hit him with that large of a fine for the minimal lift of the front wheel seems out of whack to me. Surely a warning or a fine of $200 or so with demerits would be a more reasonable option?

A guy on a big single or torquey bike can easily pop the wheel up by being a bit overzealous with the gas but if they drop it down rather than keeping it in the air surely that shows you're not trying to deliberately do it? Kinda like sustained loss of traction and how if you start to spin your wheels but back off they usually won't have a go at you for it.

It just seems like a bit of a bend over and take it situation because we're the Police and what we say is gospel don't ask any questions. :Police:

Wait till Katman gets here.

[Katman]

Wait till Katman gets here.

Katman's been and gone.

Looks like the rest of you have this one covered.

[Madness]

A guy on a big single or torquey bike can easily pop the wheel up by being a bit overzealous with the gas but if they drop it down rather than keeping it in the air surely that shows you're not trying to deliberately do it?

Like when you only stick the very tip of your cock in?

[FJRider]

Haha should have expected these sort of replies, let me clarify a few things,

Expected .. ??? (but still posted) Do you want to clarify .. or make excuses ... ???


the speed limit wasn't broken,

The Land Transport Act covers more than the speed limit. It is not the only (and overriding) piece of legislation motorists are subject to.


excessive noise? Possibly but that's subjective and the bike has passed a wof with no questions asked of the exhaust noise levels.

The charges the Officer at the scene chooses to make ... is at his/her discretion. In possession of a current WOF is seldom a safeguard to prevent any other charges being laid ... at best ... other issues being ignored. (as in this case)


Also their was no attitude given, he just apologised for lifting the front wheel and was respectful and well mannered,

This may account for lesser charges ... than could have been given.


also I was not side by side racing him, I was in the same lane just slightly back and to the right of him.

He (and you) would have been walking with his (and your) bike impounded if you were ... or suspected you were.


So what actually justifies "a manner likely to cause annoyance"? I'm not saying what he did was right but to hit him with that large of a fine for the minimal lift of the front wheel seems out of whack to me. Surely a warning or a fine of $200 or so with demerits would be a more reasonable option?

He got off lightly. Get over it.


A guy on a big single or torquey bike can easily pop the wheel up by being a bit overzealous with the gas but if they drop it down rather than keeping it in the air surely that shows you're not trying to deliberately do it? Kinda like sustained loss of traction and how if you start to spin your wheels but back off they usually won't have a go at you for it.

Tell him to buy a GN250. Then it will never happen again.


It just seems like a bit of a bend over and take it situation because we're the Police and what we say is gospel don't ask any questions. :Police:

It IS ... is you get caught.

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[vtec]

Why have bitching softcocks taken over this forum. When did pulling a wheelie become idiotic? I can ride a fucking unicycle. My UZ125 scooter is one of the easiest to wheelie bikes I've ridden. If you think pulling a wheelie is dangerous you better stay in bed gramps.

You're all so fucking high and mighty, live a little.

[Akzle]

And that means fuck all.....
We still have laws here even older than that!

Count himself lucky the idiot didn't have to walk...


like the imperial laws application act which ratifies the magna carta.

[Akzle]

ps. The right to pull sick 12s and lay fat patches is affirmed in the magna carta.

[pritch]

like the imperial laws application act which ratifies the magna carta.

Alas there is nothing left in Magna Carta (apparently it must never be referred to as the Magna Carta - bad form) that relates to any of us or the average British citizen.

[Waihou Thumper]

ps. The right to pull sick 12s and lay fat patches is affirmed in the magna carta.

With a horse, lance and catapult....yeah right? :eek5:

[Waihou Thumper]

Alas there is nothing left in Magna Carta (apparently it must never be referred to as the Magna Carta - bad form) that relates to any of us or the average British citizen.

Really?

There are still three clauses....

These clauses concern the freedom of the English Church, the "ancient liberties" of the City of London

So in a word...irrelevant..:)

[Luckylegs]

Why have bitching softcocks taken over this forum. When did pulling a wheelie become idiotic? I can ride a fucking unicycle. My UZ125 scooter is one of the easiest to wheelie bikes I've ridden. If you think pulling a wheelie is dangerous you better stay in bed gramps.

You're all so fucking high and mighty, live a little.

Lived, got caught, paid the fines! Didnt go around like a bitching softcock about em!

[mossy1200]

Take it to court and claim there was no intent for the wheel to lift. Without proving intent the charge might not stick.

[bogan]

Ducatilover got done for something similar, maybe ask him :whistle:

[FJRider]

Take it to court and claim there was no intent for the wheel to lift. Without proving intent the charge might not stick.

If I don't INTEND to speed ... is that a defense ... ??? <_<

[mossy1200]

If I don't INTEND to speed ... is that a defense ... ??? <_<

Courts a funny place.
The guy that kicked me through a wire fence on CTV with witnesses just got off because he claimed he was trying to frighten me only.
His lawer claimed he had no way of knowing the wire fence was flexible. There was not intent to assault so not guilty.

[FJRider]

Courts a funny place.
The guy that kicked me through a wire fence on CTV with witnesses just got off because he claimed he was trying to frighten me only.
His lawer claimed he had no way of knowing the wire fence was flexible. There was not intent to assault so not guilty.

It can be ... one might also ask why he wanted to kick you through a wire fence .. ???????????????


But the Judge on the day makes the FINAL decision. (Karma perhaps .. ??)

[jellywrestler]

A guy on a big single or torquey bike can easily pop the wheel up by being a bit overzealous with the gas but if they drop it down rather than keeping it in the air surely that shows you're not trying to deliberately do it? Kinda like sustained loss of traction and how if you start to spin your wheels but back off they usually won't have a go at you for it.


if this is the case clearly he cannot handle the machine he has if he accidentally gets to 45 degrees. best he got and get a car and a scooter.

[mossy1200]

It can be ... one might also ask why he wanted to kick you through a wire fence .. ???????????????




Inmates do unexpected things lol. Perhaps I shouldn't have been drilling while leaning on the fence.

[Trade_nancy]

Get over it. Lift your front wheel at the lights....ticket if caught. End of. Unsafe riding/driving.

[mossy1200]

if this is the case clearly he cannot handle the machine he has if he accidentally gets to 45 degrees. best he got and get a car and a scooter.

I accidentally turn traction control off inducing accidental mono thingy-bobs. :facepalm:

[Oakie]

A certain member from Oamaru lost his license for a few months for the same thing.


No consistency in policing nowdays ... dammit ...



Advise ... ??? quit whinging ... <_<

Ha ha. To be fair, that certain other member wheelied for a bit longer than the width of an intersection huh!

[Oakie]

So what actually justifies "a manner likely to cause annoyance"?

Flashing headlights to warn of cops ahead used to get you done for 'annoyance' a few years back. In this case though, lifting the front wheel annoyed the cop. End of story ... your mate pays the fine, learns the lesson and moves on. And in my humble opinion if he lifted the front wheel accidentally, he needs to learn to control his bike a bit better. But I don't really think it was an accident...

[FJRider]

Ha ha. To be fair, that certain other member wheelied for a bit longer than the width of an intersection huh!

Apparently ... length isn't important.

Be aware ... The member from Oamaru was observed (by law enforcement) on one wheel ... on more than one occasion. The last time being IN Oamaru.

[mossy1200]

Apparently ... length isn't important.

Be aware ... The member from Oamaru was observed (by law enforcement) on one wheel ... on more than one occasion. The last time being IN Oamaru.

There is worse things happening in Oamaru than a main street mono.

[FJRider]

There is worse things happening in Oamaru than a main street mono.

Really ... ???? :eek5:



Do tell .. !!!!!!!!!!!! :shutup:

[Oakie]

There is worse things happening in Oamaru than a main street mono.

Ha ha. Not for the 23 years I lived there (oh, apart from 1 murder. Actually, two murders ... oh and a kidnapping. OK. Worse things have happened in Oamaru than a mono down Thames St)

[breakaway]

I've been stunting all weekend and didn't get caught if that helps?

Seriously though your "mate" should count himself lucky the cop wasn't having a bad day and decided to do him for careless or dangerous. Or an immediate roadside suspension.

[mossy1200]

Ha ha. Not for the 23 years I lived there (oh, apart from 1 murder. Actually, two murders ... oh and a kidnapping. OK. Worse things have happened in Oamaru than a mono down Thames St)

Jimmy Kongs daughter?
Party stabbing in early 90s in Western?
Think it was 1993 when I moved out of Oamaru.

[Oakie]

Jimmy Kongs daughter?
Party stabbing in early 90s in Western?
Think it was 1993 when I moved out of Oamaru.

Yep. Gloria Kong. They had her locked up at the end of the street I lived in. I worked at the Post Office at the time and it was all very exciting with the Police coming in and wanting to monitor phone lines "NOW" without saying why. And yes, make that three murders then. Forgot about that other one. The other two victims I went to school with at different times. I left Oamaru in '87. Probably just as well for all the other people I went to school with.

[CRACKATTACK]

I'd just like to point out, I do agree with the sentiment of most of these posts, do the crime do the time and all that.

The thing that bugs him (and me) is what the fine was for and how it's totally subjective and such a bizarre reason and way out of proportion (imo) remember this is a small lift under acceleration, the bike was not high at all, definitely no clutched up on the pegs at 12 already travelling at speed kind of wheelie, I could understand being punished for that.

And can you really be done for reckless or careless for a slight lift? Especially with no traffic beside or in front of you, remember I'm not condoning this type of activity, definitely been a wakeup call for both of us, I just can't correlate the front wheel coming up a little bit to reckless or dangerous driving.

[mossy1200]

Yep. Gloria Kong. They had her locked up at the end of the street I lived in. I worked at the Post Office at the time and it was all very exciting with the Police coming in and wanting to monitor phone lines "NOW" without saying why. And yes, make that three murders then. Forgot about that other one. The other two victims I went to school with at different times. I left Oamaru in '87. Probably just as well for all the other people I went to school with.

I worked for J Kong for 3 years in the weekends while at school and in the first year of my apprenticeship. About 1987-90.
I think the guys name was China. It may have been a nickname.

[roogazza]

I'd just like to point out, I do agree with the sentiment of most of these posts, do the crime do the time and all that.

The thing that bugs him (and me) is what the fine was for and how it's totally subjective and such a bizarre reason and way out of proportion (imo) remember this is a small lift under acceleration, the bike was not high at all, definitely no clutched up on the pegs at 12 already travelling at speed kind of wheelie, I could understand being punished for that.

And can you really be done for reckless or careless for a slight lift? Especially with no traffic beside or in front of you, remember I'm not condoning this type of activity, definitely been a wakeup call for both of us, I just can't correlate the front wheel coming up a little bit to reckless or dangerous driving.

Can't change it now tho huh ?
Seems you may have been unlucky ? As a young cop in the 70s I have been known to handle these situations like this. "nice wheelie ! but don't do them in stupid places "
Of course it was a different world then. :lol:

[jellywrestler]

The thing that bugs him (and me) is what the fine was for and how it's totally subjective and such a bizarre reason and way out of proportion (imo) remember this is a small lift under acceleration, the bike was not high at all, definitely no clutched up on the pegs at 12 already travelling at speed kind of wheelie, I could understand being punished for that.

i really do sympathise with your 'Mate' being caught the very very first time, and only time in his life he's ever lifted the wheel of the ground. It's a massive coincidence that the one and only time there is an officer of the law but maybe these kind of odds will have a positive impact next time he buys a lotto and strikes such wild odds.

like i said if it was an accident, as you have tried to convince us it was, then he needs to learn to control his bike properly, as if this had happened when there was a car in front it would be one big mess.


OR you are just full of bullshit and pay the fucking fine and learn from it.

[rastuscat]

I'd just like to point out, I do agree with the sentiment of most of these posts, do the crime do the time and all that.

The thing that bugs him (and me) is what the fine was for and how it's totally subjective and such a bizarre reason and way out of proportion (imo) remember this is a small lift under acceleration, the bike was not high at all, definitely no clutched up on the pegs at 12 already travelling at speed kind of wheelie, I could understand being punished for that.

And can you really be done for reckless or careless for a slight lift? Especially with no traffic beside or in front of you, remember I'm not condoning this type of activity, definitely been a wakeup call for both of us, I just can't correlate the front wheel coming up a little bit to reckless or dangerous driving.

Section 37 of the Land Transport Act is the one that deals with Careless Driving. It's based on Section 60 of the old Transport Act.

It's very subjective, but over the years the courts have drilled it down to the question of whether the drivers actions are those of a careful and prudent driver.

Personally, I feel that if someone does a wheelie in the clear view of a marked patrol car it's careless, as they weren't paying enough attention to their surroundings. That's just my view.

The $600 ticket issued is inappropriate. It was never intended as a replacement for a Traffic Offence Notice for Careless Driving. Thing is, a charging document involves a shit load of paper work for the cop, so it's just easier to throw out a $600 infringement notice. Even if it's inappropriate.

Here's the bit of law that the $600 ticket relates to.



7.3Unsafe vehicles and loads
(1)A driver must not operate a vehicle in a condition or manner that causes or is liable to cause—
(a)injury to any person or animal; or
(b)annoyance to any person; or
(c)damage to any property; or
(d)distraction to the driver.
(2)A driver must not operate a vehicle that is so loaded, or has a load so unsafely secured or covered, that the vehicle or its load causes or is liable to cause—
(a)injury to any person or animal; or
(b)annoyance to any person; or
(c)damage to any property; or
(d)distraction to the driver.
(3)A driver must not operate a vehicle that is so loaded, or has a load so unsafely secured or insufficiently covered, that the load or a portion of the load escapes or falls from the vehicle or is likely to do so.
(4)A driver must not operate a vehicle if the vehicle or its load, or both, drag on or make moving contact with the roadway other than by means of the wheels or by means of an attachment used to prevent the accumulation of static electricity.
(5)A driver must not use a motor vehicle to tow a trailer designed for use as a human abode while any person is carried in that trailer unless the carriage of that person is required for the purposes of a roadworthiness test of the trailer.
Compare: SR 1976/227 rr 19(3A), 27(1)–(3)


Now, clearly when the pollies signed that one off, it was about loading of vehicles. Not the way they were being operated.
Just sayin

[awayatc]

Lived, got caught, paid the fines! Didnt go around like a bitching softcock about em!

Wow.....

you are a good boy, you bend over nicely!

what exactly are you so proud of?

[Waihou Thumper]

Talk about situational awareness and motorcycle riding! Duh! :brick:

if you are going to do wreckless things at intersections when cops are around, expect to be caught...






Personally, I feel that if someone does a wheelie in the clear view of a marked patrol car it's careless, as they weren't paying enough attention to their surroundings. That's just my view.



Well, you say the same thing then....
Basically a silly manoeuvre especially in full view......tad arrogant perhaps? :)

[awayatc]

What's wrong with a lot of you ?

you think its ok to have to pay $600 for lifting your front wheel a bit....?

and if you think that is a bit harsh you are a soft cock..?

you sound like moaning precious wee Nancy's to me

trade your bikes in for a prius

or knitting needles....

tossers

[Jin]

Request full disclosure online then contest it. You might get off on a technicality since they didn't record the time. Otherwise let a judge decide if a slight lifting of the wheel is unsafe or not.

[Luckylegs]

Wow.....

you are a good boy, you bend over nicely!

what exactly are you so proud of?

Yep, probably am and i probably do. Big deal, im not sure what your point is. Perhaps you dont agree with paying fines in which case not sure why you didnt just say that and advise the op to fight the ticket.

[sidecar bob]

With regard to the causing annoyance thing. I spent about a year going out on a Friday or Saturday night with the local Strategic Traffic Unit (traffic cops basically). One night in Mount Maunganui we pulled up a bloke with a Mazda rotary that was making 108db & being driven in a fucktard fashion up & down a residential road. The cop was writing him up for the operating a vehicle in a manner likely to cause annoyance & he was arguing the point hard out. The cop said, ok, I'm going to take you to five houses, knock on the door & ask if you were annoying them, if even one says no, I won't give you a ticket. The bloke said, Na, just give me the ticket.
He's lucky he didn't get done for sustained & deliberate loss of traction, they can hang that off you for pulling monos too.
Next time, take a look around before pulling a mono through an intersection, if he didn't notice a cop car then what else did he miss.

[Luckylegs]

What's wrong with a lot of you ?

you think its ok to have to pay $600 for lifting your front wheel a bit....?

and if you think that is a bit harsh you are a soft cock..?

you sound like moaning precious wee Nancy's to me

trade your bikes in for a prius

or knitting needles....

tossers

Fuck me! youre havin a bad day eh? Did you catch the mrs fucking the easter bunny or something!!!!

[Oakie]

The thing that bugs him (and me) is what the fine was for and how it's totally subjective and such a bizarre reason and way out of proportion (imo) remember this is a small lift under acceleration, the bike was not high at all, definitely no clutched up on the pegs at 12 already travelling at speed kind of wheelie, I could understand being punished for that.

And can you really be done for reckless or careless for a slight lift? Especially with no traffic beside or in front of you, remember I'm not condoning this type of activity, definitely been a wakeup call for both of us, I just can't correlate the front wheel coming up a little bit to reckless or dangerous driving.

I guess it's a black and white thing. Either the wheel was up or it wasn't. It was up so some sort of ticket is appropriate. I guess the small amount of lift and that it wasn't sustained (for example, across a long road bridge :) ) meant that he didn't get charged with dangerous or reckless driving and potentially lose his licence.

[Oakie]

I think the guys name was China. It may have been a nickname.

Yep. It was his nickname (the guy that did the stabbing, not the victim ... I think). He was a young guy who had had a heart transplant a few years earlier if I recall correctly.

[awayatc]

Fuck me! youre havin a bad day eh? Did you catch the mrs fucking the easter bunny or something!!!!

Steady granpa.....
take your meds...
it's ok, young hoons getting properly dealt to....
getting just what they deserve,
how dare they riding motosickles in public....
just because you are so far gone you don't remember being young,
doesn't mean everybody else is equally demented.....

hows the knitting going....?

[nodrog]

He didn't wave did he?

[samgab]

If I don't INTEND to speed ... is that a defense ... ??? <_<


Take it to court and claim there was no intent for the wheel to lift. Without proving intent the charge might not stick.

With infringement offences, there is no requirement to prove intent (mens rea). Different to criminal charges.

- https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/journals-and-magazines/social-policy-journal/spj17/instant-fines-instant-justice-the-use-of-infringement-offence-notices-in-new-zealand.html

- http://www.justice.govt.nz/publications/publications-archived/2008/infringement-guidelines/guidelines-for-new-infringement-schemes

[FJRider]

With infringement offences, there is no requirement to prove intent (mens rea). Different to criminal charges.



Speeding is a Traffic Infringement. Lifting the front wheel would be a Traffic Offense. Slightly more serious ... but certainly not criminal.

[Luckylegs]

Fuck me! youre havin a bad day eh? Did you catch the mrs fucking the easter bunny or something!!!!


Steady granpa.....
take your meds...
it's ok, young hoons getting properly dealt to....
getting just what they deserve,
how dare they riding motosickles in public....
just because you are so far gone you don't remember being young,
doesn't mean everybody else is equally demented.....

hows the knitting going....?

Shit, was it a threesome with the tooth fairy... and you weren't invited. No wonder youre a little tetchy.

[PrincessBandit]

...

like i said if it was an accident, as you have tried to convince us it was, then he needs to learn to control his bike properly, as if this had happened when there was a car in front it would be one big mess.


OR you are just full of bullshit and pay the fucking fine and learn from it.

I think lots of people here would put it in the old "hey, nobody got hurt (this time) so what are you moaning about" basket. The standard comeback of most people when they get seen doing something questionable.
Personally I agree with you - if it was accidental then he needs to learn how to avoid lifting the front wheel on the road. If he wants to hone his wheelie skills then he needs to find somewhere else to "practice".

[Katman]

If he wants to hone his wheelie skills then he needs to find somewhere else to "practice".

Preferably not the Coro Loop.

[PrincessBandit]

Preferably not the Coro Loop.

Indeed.

I should have added "somewhere to practice that is not a public carriage way for vehicles or pedestrians " (thought I'd add the last word there for an extra explicit touch). Ooh, that sounded a bit creepy...

[Brett]

Why have bitching softcocks taken over this forum. When did pulling a wheelie become idiotic? I can ride a fucking unicycle. My UZ125 scooter is one of the easiest to wheelie bikes I've ridden. If you think pulling a wheelie is dangerous you better stay in bed gramps.

You're all so fucking high and mighty, live a little.

This forum is becoming pathetic. (Or has it already reached the epitome of pathetic)? I suspect that motorcycling has been overtaken by accountant and librarian 'sensible' types. Motorcycling used to be a bastion of freedom, expression and adventure. Half of you punks make it seem as boring as watching my Corn Flakes turn soggy in the morning. As for the cops enforcing a ticket, hard to say. If it was done safely and in the right situation, then that is ridiculous. If he pulled a minger in the middle of a high traffic area as the lights turned green, then the cop probably did him a favour (in helping to prevent him being fast off the lights and possible wheel fodder for a red-light runner).

I recall so many rides from KB where wheelies, while neither big nor clever, were a regular part of the days entertainment. I recall a certain member who cracked it open on the western motorway on his Gixxer 1000 with a mentally loud exhaust and wheelied at speed right past an unmarked cop car...who consequently pulled him over but then let him off any fine.:lol:

I bet that half of the chumps on here now would code brown themselves at this sort of carry on. Bet they are subscribers to the WorkSafe newsletters too.

[jellywrestler]

Request full disclosure online then contest it. You might get off on a technicality since they didn't record the time. Otherwise let a judge decide if a slight lifting of the wheel is unsafe or not.

45 degrees, bit more than slight and a bit more than accident methinks

[jellywrestler]

Preferably not the Coro Loop.

i disagree, haven't the motorcycle action safety council now made that safe for motorcyclists?

[Brett]

Next time, take a look around before pulling a mono through an intersection, if he didn't notice a cop car then what else did he miss.

THIS is a fair point. Awareness is certainly an issue in this case it would seem. If he isn't aware enough to notice the cop, is he aware enough to be pulling mono's off of a set of lights? I red-light runner or similar will fuck you up pretty badly...

[awayatc]

Shit, was it a threesome with the tooth fairy... and you weren't invited. No wonder youre a little tetchy.

Red rep from you is one of the greatest compliments,
thanks.
would hate few things more then being liked by the likes of you....

must have your slippers knitted by now ?

[jellywrestler]

THIS is a fair point. Awareness is certainly an issue in this case it would seem. If he isn't aware enough to notice the cop, is he aware enough to be pulling mono's off of a set of lights? I red-light runner or similar will fuck you up pretty badly...

some cops have these things called mufti cars, they're a little bit harder to spot than the other type......

[mossy1200]

some cops have these things called mufti cars, they're a little bit harder to spot than the other type......

The don't do mono when there is any cage about is the safest bet and keeps us looking like civilised road users for when we complain about the next ACC tax increase.
Or could you say we pay an extra premium to cover any additional fun we might undertake while riding.

[skippa1]

Why have bitching softcocks taken over this forum. When did pulling a wheelie become idiotic? I can ride a fucking unicycle. My UZ125 scooter is one of the easiest to wheelie bikes I've ridden. If you think pulling a wheelie is dangerous you better stay in bed gramps.

You're all so fucking high and mighty, live a little.


Wow.....

you are a good boy, you bend over nicely!

what exactly are you so proud of?


What's wrong with a lot of you ?

you think its ok to have to pay $600 for lifting your front wheel a bit....?

and if you think that is a bit harsh you are a soft cock..?

you sound like moaning precious wee Nancy's to me

trade your bikes in for a prius

or knitting needles....

tossers


Steady granpa.....
take your meds...
it's ok, young hoons getting properly dealt to....
getting just what they deserve,
how dare they riding motosickles in public....
just because you are so far gone you don't remember being young,
doesn't mean everybody else is equally demented.....

hows the knitting going....?


This forum is becoming pathetic. (Or has it already reached the epitome of pathetic)? I suspect that motorcycling has been overtaken by accountant and librarian 'sensible' types. Motorcycling used to be a bastion of freedom, expression and adventure. Half of you punks make it seem as boring as watching my Corn Flakes turn soggy in the morning. As for the cops enforcing a ticket, hard to say. If it was done safely and in the right situation, then that is ridiculous. If he pulled a minger in the middle of a high traffic area as the lights turned green, then the cop probably did him a favour (in helping to prevent him being fast off the lights and possible wheel fodder for a red-light runner).

I recall so many rides from KB where wheelies, while neither big nor clever, were a regular part of the days entertainment. I recall a certain member who cracked it open on the western motorway on his Gixxer 1000 with a mentally loud exhaust and wheelied at speed right past an unmarked cop car...who consequently pulled him over but then let him off any fine.:lol:

I bet that half of the chumps on here now would code brown themselves at this sort of carry on. Bet they are subscribers to the WorkSafe newsletters too.


THIS is a fair point. Awareness is certainly an issue in this case it would seem. If he isn't aware enough to notice the cop, is he aware enough to be pulling mono's off of a set of lights? I red-light runner or similar will fuck you up pretty badly...
All of these things:yes:

[Luckylegs]

Red rep from you is one of the greatest compliments,
thanks.
would hate few things more then being liked by the likes of you....

must have your slippers knitted by now ?

Likewise... Onya!

[willytheekid]

:eek:...DID SOMEONE SAY WHEELIES!!

I like wheelies!:yes:...cos they are LOTS of fun! :D (its...Kinda why I ride everyday :confused:)

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And I do tend to find that most who cry "WHEELIES ARE DANGEROUS!!" and other such blatant bull shit!...have never actually had the skill set required to do them...maybe this is why they make the most noise about "safety" and the "law" :shifty:


BUT!(As most know)...the popo do NOT! like wheelies anymore:no:(they used to pull you over with a smile and a light warning for the "good ones":first:...not anymore:no:)...hence you have to be very picky about when & where...and yes, even I am struggling with this "new" concept of limiting my riding fun :laugh: (I make a huge effort to "behave" now:D...but it does hurts my soul..."thingy"...:mellow:)

but it tis the age of bubble wrap and BS fines after all, so we all must make changes...damnit!:weep:



Ride safe kbers :love:...but keep having "naughty fun" :msn-wink:

[Kickaha]

Motorcycling used to be a bastion of freedom, expression and adventure.
That's always been a myth motoryclists have tried to perpepuate

[nodrog]

This forum is becoming pathetic. (Or has it already reached the epitome of pathetic)? I suspect that motorcycling has been overtaken by accountant and librarian 'sensible' types. Motorcycling used to be a bastion of freedom, expression and adventure. Half of you punks make it seem as boring as watching my Corn Flakes turn soggy in the morning. As for the cops enforcing a ticket, hard to say. If it was done safely and in the right situation, then that is ridiculous. If he pulled a minger in the middle of a high traffic area as the lights turned green, then the cop probably did him a favour (in helping to prevent him being fast off the lights and possible wheel fodder for a red-light runner).

I recall so many rides from KB where wheelies, while neither big nor clever, were a regular part of the days entertainment. I recall a certain member who cracked it open on the western motorway on his Gixxer 1000 with a mentally loud exhaust and wheelied at speed right past an unmarked cop car...who consequently pulled him over but then let him off any fine.:lol:

I bet that half of the chumps on here now would code brown themselves at this sort of carry on. Bet they are subscribers to the WorkSafe newsletters too.

please see Drew's thread.

[scumdog]

Katman's been and gone.

Looks like the rest of you have this one covered.

Never stopped you from throwing in a 2-cent rant before...<_<

[scumdog]

some cops have these things called mufti cars, they're a little bit harder to spot than the other type......


WAS it a mufti that caught the mono man??

[scumdog]

This thread made me laugh!:laugh:

[jellywrestler]

WAS it a mufti that caught the mono man??

never said either way, you know kiwibitcher, always assuming stuff....

[PrincessBandit]

[SIZE=4]:eek:...DID SOMEONE SAY WHEELIES!!

BUT!(As most know)...the popo do NOT! like wheelies anymore...

Ride safe kbers :love:...but keep having "naughty fun" :msn-wink:


?..

I recall so many rides from KB where wheelies, ARE neither big nor clever...

Oh it seems a lifetime ago since I read that phrase here :devil2:

[RDJ]

Why have bitching softcocks taken over this forum. When did pulling a wheelie become idiotic? I can ride a fucking unicycle. My UZ125 scooter is one of the easiest to wheelie bikes I've ridden. If you think pulling a wheelie is dangerous you better stay in bed gramps. You're all so fucking high and mighty, live a little.

This cannot be bettered. A little colorful but that eliminates ambiguity.

[Brett]

some cops have these things called mufti cars, they're a little bit harder to spot than the other type......

FFS...they are not that hard to spot. Attention to detail folks, attention to detail. You can spot a mufti cop car from a reasonable distance...certainly at least sitting at a set of lights. That's a lame arse excuse and I suggest that if you can't spot a mufti cop car...don't be someone pulling minging wheelies...'mkay?

[scumdog]

FFS...they are not that hard to spot. Attention to detail folks, attention to detail. You can spot a mufti cop car from a reasonable distance...certainly at least sitting at a set of lights. That's a lame arse excuse and I suggest that if you can't spot a mufti cop car...don't be someone pulling minging wheelies...'mkay?

Dead right, I don't know how many times I've read posts on KB where the poster reckons he can spot a mufti car three counties away with ease, they often make a comment like "The steel wheels always give them away" and other useful info.:rolleyes:

[Brett]

Dead right, I don't know how many times I've read posts on KB where the poster reckons he can spot a mufti car three counties away with ease, they often make a comment like "The steel wheels always give them away" and other useful info.:rolleyes:

You mean that you CAN'T see a mufti cop car from the other end of a 3 km straight...I just don't believe it.:bleh:

[sidecar bob]

Dead right, I don't know how many times I've read posts on KB where the poster reckons he can spot a mufti car three counties away with ease, they often make a comment like "The steel wheels always give them away" and other useful info.:rolleyes:

Mate in BOP had a silver Subaru Legacy mufti car about ten or so years ago. He reckons it was a licence to print money & got heaps of people more than once. The green & blue VT commies were comparatively easy to pick.

[CRACKATTACK]

Haha shit, I haven't posted much on this forum and I can honestly say I never expected this sort of attention/response when I started this topic, loving all the replies though, lot of different and interesting opinions.

Let me clear a few things up.
-Wasn't a mufti cop. Regular patrol car, yes foolish for not spotting it, but I think my mate was a bit miffed at the two slow cars in front of us who decided to gun it as the light turned red. Other side of the road was two lanes and quite a lot of traffic, cop was potentially blocked from view by the traffic in the lane alongside ours, poor situation awareness? Possibly, but I have no idea where he came from either, their was 3 of them in the car so pretty unlucky with 6 eyes on the lookout.
-The "wheelie" would have been 45* MAX, and for ONE at the very most TWO seconds from start to finish (that includes lifting up and touching down).



Section 37 of the Land Transport Act is the one that deals with Careless Driving. It's based on Section 60 of the old Transport Act.

It's very subjective, but over the years the courts have drilled it down to the question of whether the drivers actions are those of a careful and prudent driver.

Personally, I feel that if someone does a wheelie in the clear view of a marked patrol car it's careless, as they weren't paying enough attention to their surroundings. That's just my view.

The $600 ticket issued is inappropriate. It was never intended as a replacement for a Traffic Offence Notice for Careless Driving. Thing is, a charging document involves a shit load of paper work for the cop, so it's just easier to throw out a $600 infringement notice. Even if it's inappropriate.

Here's the bit of law that the $600 ticket relates to.



7.3Unsafe vehicles and loads
(1)A driver must not operate a vehicle in a condition or manner that causes or is liable to cause—
(a)injury to any person or animal; or
(b)annoyance to any person; or
(c)damage to any property; or
(d)distraction to the driver.
(2)A driver must not operate a vehicle that is so loaded, or has a load so unsafely secured or covered, that the vehicle or its load causes or is liable to cause—
(a)injury to any person or animal; or
(b)annoyance to any person; or
(c)damage to any property; or
(d)distraction to the driver.
(3)A driver must not operate a vehicle that is so loaded, or has a load so unsafely secured or insufficiently covered, that the load or a portion of the load escapes or falls from the vehicle or is likely to do so.
(4)A driver must not operate a vehicle if the vehicle or its load, or both, drag on or make moving contact with the roadway other than by means of the wheels or by means of an attachment used to prevent the accumulation of static electricity.
(5)A driver must not use a motor vehicle to tow a trailer designed for use as a human abode while any person is carried in that trailer unless the carriage of that person is required for the purposes of a roadworthiness test of the trailer.
Compare: SR 1976/227 rr 19(3A), 27(1)–(3)


Now, clearly when the pollies signed that one off, it was about loading of vehicles. Not the way they were being operated.
Just sayin

Thanks rastuscat, I was hoping for you input, this is the core issue, the relevance of the fine issued. So if he was done for careless what would that involve exactly in terms of fine/punishment?


http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/10135280/Noisy-prank-backfires-for-driver

This story is a recent example of where "likely to cause annoyance" seems more appropriate and is what I'm getting at, if two knuckleheads can sit around limiter bashing/backfiring for FORTY MINUTES and get the same fine (between the two of them) for lifting the front wheel does that not seem a touch ridiculous? :innocent:

[eelracing]

Apparently ... length isn't important.

You been talkn to scumdogs missus again?





Let me clear a few things up.
my mate.
and get the same fine as me

Please do...either way take popo's advice,lawyer up and get your story straight.
Then bend over and thank the judge for the rodgering you are about to receive.

[Mike.Gayner]

Why have bitching softcocks taken over this forum.

Sad, isn't it.

[jellywrestler]

-The "wheelie" would have been 45* MAX, and for ONE at the very most TWO seconds from start to finish (that includes lifting up and touching down).

given that wheelies are basically a product of rapid acceleration, and even for one second there's a fair distance been covered, and at max 45 degrees, all this 'accidentally done' best you convince your mate to give up riding as if he hasn't the skill and/or reactions to alter this event in less than one OR two seconds he's just as likely to take one OR two seconds to find and apply the brakes if someone pulls across him.

Either that or tell him to man up and say it was fully intentional, and a fair cop.

[caspernz]

Kinda funny reading some of the responses...

My approach is simple, if you can't recognise the time and place to pull a wheelie, maybe just go to court and let us know how it went?

[scumdog]

-The "wheelie" would have been 45* MAX, and for ONE at the very most TWO seconds from start to finish (that includes lifting up and touching down).

Thanks rastuscat, I was hoping for you input, this is the core issue, the relevance of the fine issued. So if he was done for careless what would that involve exactly in terms of fine/punishment?




He probably got off light.

IF he had done for careless driving it might have resulted in a fine, court costs, day in court - and disqualification.

[TheDemonLord]

310557

Relephant

[samgab]

Relephant

At least go with this year's livery :msn-wink::
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[rastuscat]

Entirely my bad y'all.

I think I've misinterpreted the legislation. After some re-reading etc, I see there is an infringement offence separate from the loading portion.

It's for what the Popo wrote the $600 infringement for in this case.

I happen to disagree with the use of that infringement, but it's better than a careless driving tag.

When I see someone do a minor wheelie I tend to be conflicted. I first think "Cool wheelie", then put my blue suit on (metaphorically, as I'm already wearing it, normally :crazy: ) and take what action is appropriate.

The worst of it for the cop is that everyone sitting in their cars who saw the wheelie, no matter how insignificant, expects the cops to do something about it. So he did.

Donuts.

[GrayWolf]

This forum is becoming pathetic. (Or has it already reached the epitome of pathetic)? I suspect that motorcycling has been overtaken by accountant and librarian 'sensible' types. Motorcycling used to be a bastion of freedom, expression and adventure. Half of you punks make it seem as boring as watching my Corn Flakes turn soggy in the morning.

I recall so many rides from KB where wheelies, while neither big nor clever, were a regular part of the days entertainment. I recall a certain member who cracked it open on the western motorway on his Gixxer 1000 with a mentally loud exhaust and wheelied at speed right past an unmarked cop car...who consequently pulled him over but then let him off any fine.:lol:

I bet that half of the chumps on here now would code brown themselves at this sort of carry on. Bet they are subscribers to the WorkSafe newsletters too.

difference from then to now is..... We GREW UP.....:facepalm:

[jellywrestler]

Entirely my bad y'all.

I think I've misinterpreted the legislation. After some re-reading etc, I see there is an infringement offence separate from the loading portion.

It's for what the Popo wrote the $600 infringement for in this case.

I happen to disagree with the use of that infringement, but it's better than a careless driving tag.

When I see someone do a minor wheelie I tend to be conflicted. I first think "Cool wheelie", then put my blue suit on (metaphorically, as I'm already wearing it, normally :crazy: ) and take what action is appropriate.

The worst of it for the cop is that everyone sitting in their cars who saw the wheelie, no matter how insignificant, expects the cops to do something about it. So he did.

Donuts. he also said there were three orrificers in the car, is one gonna say nah fuck-it, especially when the clown says a 1-2 sec 45 degree wheelie was an accident!!!

[CRACKATTACK]

Thanks again rastuscat, just out of curiosity what would you have given as the fine/offense/infringement if it were up to you?
And regarding careless is there various degrees to it? I.e. a smaller fine along with some demerits for a lesser offense, as I mentioned at the start I would consider this far more appropriate.
Don't get me wrong if a charge and more serious consequences go along with careless then I would say he got off fairly lightly, though I'm sure there's a lot worse things that would go under the category...

[MD]

I think many of us are breathing a sigh of relief - there but for the grace of God go I.

$600 bucks seems steep but as many have said, it could have been much worse- careless use, loss of licence and still $600 bucks lighter. Sometimes it's worth crawling and begging forgiveness in a nice friendly manner and if he was an 'open minded' bloke he might have let it go with a verbal telling off. Tell your friend to consider himself lucky and please don't dispute it. That'll just rile them up to come down harder on us

If/when my turn comes I will welcome the 'annoyance infringement' with open arms knowing the alternative is haviing the book thrown at me and walking.

I'm from that idiot generation where wheelies were viewed as a bit of fun but now 105kph is considered reckless endangerment to the survival of all life on the planet. Except driving with a phone glued to your face, that seems totally acceptable to the masses. How many people have been killed/maimed by someone else doing a wheelie versus someone else driving while on the phone? I think wheelies would come out as harmless by comparison. Sadly the world has changed for the worse but the good news is those who bought shares in cotton wool production are doing great.

[breakaway]

When I see someone do a minor wheelie I tend to be conflicted. I first think "Cool wheelie", then put my blue suit on (metaphorically, as I'm already wearing it, normally :crazy: ) and take what action is appropriate..

So what you're saying is that OP's 'mate' botched the landing of the wheelie, hence the ticket? i.e. if he'd done a proper one with a slight chirp of the wheel and a tiny amount of smoke during landing he'd have gotten off?

[Doppleganger]

Cant go fast, cant do a wheelie, cant do much anymore :(
At least we dont live in queensland and we can still ride around in groups :)

[rastuscat]

Thanks again rastuscat, just out of curiosity what would you have given as the fine/offense/infringement if it were up to you?
And regarding careless is there various degrees to it? I.e. a smaller fine along with some demerits for a lesser offense, as I mentioned at the start I would consider this far more appropriate.
Don't get me wrong if a charge and more serious consequences go along with careless then I would say he got off fairly lightly, though I'm sure there's a lot worse things that would go under the category...

I've mellowed over the years. The paperwork for Careless Driving is staggering. I suspect that if I'd witnessed the mono as described, I'd have given a good old smile and laugh, and advice not to make a habit of it.

I'm old school though, and the new school has gotten too much of me, so I'm leaving.

Careless carries a fine of up to $3000, and the court may disqualify. In my experience, if the rider doesn't turn up to defend them self, the fine gets worse, and the risk of the licence going gets worse too. I reckon you'd get less than the $600, but the court costs would negate any benefit.

Simple really, learn to spot Popo cars when there's one there. Invent a time machine, wind the clock back a few minutes and don't so that shit again.

[scumdog]

Cant go fast, cant do a wheelie, cant do much anymore :(
At least we dont live in queensland and we can still ride around in groups :)


Just back from the 'beige state' (as a visiting motorbiker journalist from there referred to it as) and saw several groups of riders, some mainly H-Ds, some mixed, some riding, some parked.
Biggest group would have had about 12 -15 riders.
Didn't see a cop near any of the groups.

But yeah, the beige state make NZ seem really liberal and free... :crazy:

[awayatc]

Scary...............

[Brett]

difference from then to now is..... We GREW UP.....:facepalm:

See my post here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/171907-Speed-what-slows-you-down?p=1130807807#post1130807807)

Many of those guys were older then than I am now so........

Yes, some of us DID grow up. I don't really miss the old hoon days THAT much. Although, I still do love a good wheelie/rolling stoppie if I am honest. The thing is, growing up doesn't give you the right to become a sanctimonious old codger trying to preach the same dull message from the pulpit each day.

I am now in a phase of life where I simply cannot afford the effects of a serious crash. I had one last year on the motocross bike and it seriously messed up my plans for a good six months. That, more than anything effects what, where and how I ride.

[willytheekid]

difference from then to now is..... We GREW UP.....:facepalm:

:eek: I can get a medical cert that PROVES I have Peter-pan syndrome!*...I can has legal Wheelie's!?!?! :blink:....:wings:


...so...fucking...happy...you guys:weep:

[Oakie]

Post deleted. Thought better of it

[FJRider]

Post deleted. Thought better of it

Probably ... a wise decision ... if you think it needs deleting ... :shutup:

[willytheekid]

Probably ... a wise decision ... if you think it needs deleting ... :shutup:

...I know that voice:blink:


:eek:YOUR OZZIE!!!

310602

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N112W0J2OV0

Fuckin LOVED you in that movie bro:yes:






:laugh:...:mellow:...you know I'm special FJ!:crazy:


:love:

[Tazz]

The thing is, growing up doesn't give you the right to become a sanctimonious old codger trying to preach the same dull message from the pulpit each day.

:eek: You can't take that away from the old dudes that love to be like that man!

It is tradition that they were more hardcore and tough in their day, yet somehow less irresponsible and had respect for authority/their elders than 'todays' pack of young louts :laugh:

[scumdog]

:eek: You can't take that away from the old dudes that love to be like that man!

It is tradition that they were more hardcore and tough in their day, yet somehow less irresponsible and had respect for authority/their elders than 'todays' pack of young louts :laugh:

Wot 'e sed.

[marmel]

That infringement notice is generally used if nothing more specific can be found and at the end of the day it's fairly broad, I mean causing annoyance could mean all kinds of things.

The other option would be careless use which would be JP's court but ironically if you didn't have much history you would probably get a $2-300 fine but a conviction as well.

[Oakie]

:eek: You can't take that away from the old dudes that love to be like that man!

It is tradition that they were more hardcore and tough in their day, yet somehow less irresponsible and had respect for authority/their elders than 'todays' pack of young louts :laugh:

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” So said Socrates 2400 years ago.

[Kickaha]

So said Socrates 2400 years ago.
What would that old cunt know

[mossy1200]

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” So said Socrates 2400 years ago.

Must have been before you were allowed to hit your kids. Why did we go back to the old ways again?

[GrayWolf]

See my post here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/171907-Speed-what-slows-you-down?p=1130807807#post1130807807)

Many of those guys were older then than I am now so........

Yes, some of us DID grow up. I don't really miss the old hoon days THAT much. Although, I still do love a good wheelie/rolling stoppie if I am honest. The thing is, growing up doesn't give you the right to become a sanctimonious old codger trying to preach the same dull message from the pulpit each day.

I am now in a phase of life where I simply cannot afford the effects of a serious crash. I had one last year on the motocross bike and it seriously messed up my plans for a good six months. That, more than anything effects what, where and how I ride.

you may be right, the 'old codger' bit, i've been at this for 40yrs, here and UK (London), the bike IS my transport, sanctimonious? Only if you think that way, which means it must strike a chord somewhere? More, seen it, done it, had/seen the consequences, so maybe the voice of experience, rather than sanctimonious,,,, an yup like you, body's too old, too fragile these days, and only going to get 'worse' :angry:

[Genie]

Wish I could pull wheelies. I'd be pulling them on every quiet back country road. Alas, I'm too soft to even try, don't want it scratch my bike or hurt myself. Tried one once on a bmx bike, most funny as i'm useless. Best laugh I'd had in ages.
Way waste your time fighting this ticket, seems your time be better spent wising up and getting better skills on the road. Once got a fine for $400.00, stupid bike just liked going fast, so I let. Suck it up honey bun. Live and learn.

[Brett]

you may be right, the 'old codger' bit, i've been at this for 40yrs, here and UK (London), the bike IS my transport, sanctimonious? Only if you think that way, which means it must strike a chord somewhere? More, seen it, done it, had/seen the consequences, so maybe the voice of experience, rather than sanctimonious,,,, an yup like you, body's too old, too fragile these days, and only going to get 'worse' :angry:

To be clear, I was not referring to YOU as a sanctimonious old codger, rather I was talking collectively about the older riders in general always trying to tell the younger rider what to do and how to do it, having done the exact same thing themselves in their earlier years. I hear you on the experience bit, but some things one can only learn themselves. Unfortunately, such a method/requirement takes casualties along the way.

I hear you on the "body" thing. I am (probably) significantly younger than you (in my early 30's) but I am already noticing just how hard the body takes injuries now and how long it takes to heal. Not cool eh.

[ducatilover]

I fucking love wheelies.

I did one on a Hyosung once and didn't fall off

[Blackbird]

you may be right, the 'old codger' bit, i've been at this for 40yrs, here and UK (London), the bike IS my transport, sanctimonious? Only if you think that way, which means it must strike a chord somewhere? More, seen it, done it, had/seen the consequences, so maybe the voice of experience, rather than sanctimonious,,,, an yup like you, body's too old, too fragile these days, and only going to get 'worse' :angry:

Hahaha - understand completely :Punk: At 67, riding a Street Triple and being an IAM Senior Observer, there are way too many conflicting factors :laugh: . Might just leave it at choosing the right time and place.... :innocent:

[speights_bud]

...I was talking collectively about the older riders in general always trying to tell the younger rider what to do and how to do it...

Don't you just love it when they do that, especially when it's about riding techniques, vanishing points, countersteering etc.

Personally I love it even more when they are outright shit riders themselves....

[98tls]

:killingmejust had the mis-fortune to stumble across this thread...definition of riding a motorcycle on one wheel these days is?:(forgive me for asking)Getting on in years though despite that if my memory still serves me well ive in my time on 2 wheels seen about 6 people capable and doing time on one wheel on everyday real world roads to the extent that it would prove worthy of any involvement from the law,rest of em were fucking hopeless.

[Smifffy]

If you're worried the fine is out of proportion to the 'offence', then maybe next time don't stop? That way your mate might feel he gets better value for his money. :bleh::Police::laugh:

[Erelyes]

anyway Mr Policeman must have been on the opposite side of the road

Shoulda gone to spec savers

[onearmedbandit]

I'm old school though, and the new school has gotten too much of me, so I'm leaving.



Sad day indeed.

I still remember the first time we met haha.

[Reckless]

I'm old school though, and the new school has gotten too much of me, so I'm leaving.

You have always seemed like a good guy on here (and thats not easy on KB) :)
Beaten by the new bullshit, sign of the times aye, the good ones are all prob gettin out? Sigh?
LOL soon you'll be able to tell us if they really have quotas LMAO
Good luck hopefully you have something good to go to.

[willytheekid]

Sad day indeed.

I still remember the first time we met haha.

TELL THE RASTUSCAT WHEELIE STORY!!!....TELL THE FUCKING STORY FRASER!:Punk: (it makes me smile so hard lol :D)

...best friggin wheelie story ever! (laughed my arse off when Ol rastuscat told it)


Rest of you...wait for it ;) (Its a dooozy!)


ps...been missing hearing from you on here mate (And why I no see your purdy bike blasting round town for ages!!)

[rastuscat]

TELL THE RASTUSCAT WHEELIE STORY!!!....TELL THE FUCKING STORY FRASER!:Punk: (it makes me smile so hard lol :D)

...best friggin wheelie story ever! (laughed my arse off when Ol rastuscat told it)


Rest of you...wait for it ;) (Its a dooozy!)


ps...been missing hearing from you on here mate (And why I no see your purdy bike blasting round town for ages!!)

I've got the national instructors twin seater all to myself at the moment, and I'm getting way more time out and about.

Given the circumstances when I met OAB, that was the best quality mono I've seen. Like I said earlier, if my head honcho hadn't been there, I would have smiled, given some sage legal advice, congratulated him on his skill level, and moved on.

Still, what's done is done. Off out to find some cellphone and traffic light tickets.

[unstuck]

Off out to find some cellphone and traffic light tickets.

Roughly translated, I'm off to the nearest dunkin donuts.:innocent:

[rastuscat]

Roughly translated, I'm off to the nearest dunkin donuts.:innocent:

Am I really THAT transparent?

[rastuscat]

310793

You know it.

[scumdog]

Am I really THAT transparent?


It wasn't THAT hard to see through you - hell, you're a cop, regular Dunkin-donuts attendance is mandatory, EVERYBODY knows that!;)

[unstuck]

It wasn't THAT hard to see through you - hell, you're a cop, regular Dunkin-donuts attendance is mandatory, EVERYBODY knows that!;)

So it would seem is shooting or running black people over.:innocent::shutup:
Whats up with that.:eek5:

[scumdog]

So it would seem is shooting or running black people over.:innocent::shutup:
Whats up with that.:eek5:

Not in this country sunshine!

We don't got 'nuff black folks!:pinch:

Seriously, a bad look eh - mind you the guy that got run over was pushing the envelope a bit - and surprisingly wasn't that badly hurt.

[Kickaha]

You know it.
Dunkin donuts? You need to aim higher
http://www.thedonutboutique.co.nz/
It's on the way home

[unstuck]

Not in this country sunshine!

We don't got 'nuff black folks!:pinch:

Seriously, a bad look eh - mind you the guy that got run over was pushing the envelope a bit - and surprisingly wasn't that badly hurt.

Could do a few laps around Mataura.:whistle:
But yeah, seems to be a little out of control over there. Maybe there is something in the water.:shifty:

[unstuck]

Dunkin donuts? You need to aim higher
http://www.thedonutboutique.co.nz/
It's on the way home

Apparently a place called Loafers in Nelson does a really nice donut. May have to take the bus up for a look.

[The Reibz]

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Speaking a wheelies. Reckon its illegal?

[unstuck]

Speaking a wheelies. Reckon its illegal?

Only If they get caught.:innocent:

[FJRider]

Only If they get caught.:innocent:

Pic's or it didn't happen .... :shutup:


Oh wait ... <_<

[unstuck]

Any one seen the Scorpions new patch. Fuck that is some funny shit.

[onearmedbandit]

TELL THE RASTUSCAT WHEELIE STORY!!!....TELL THE FUCKING STORY FRASER!:Punk: (it makes me smile so hard lol :D)

...best friggin wheelie story ever! (laughed my arse off when Ol rastuscat told it)


Rest of you...wait for it ;) (Its a dooozy!)


ps...been missing hearing from you on here mate (And why I no see your purdy bike blasting round town for ages!!)

Not much to tell ha, it was a fair cop done by an even fairer cop. I haven't been on here much (obviously) but yeah still kicking. Took the bike off the road for a few months last year doing some minor jobs I'd been putting off. And now I've gone and bought another bike, this one a little more town friendly. Have plans for this one too, parts should be here in another week or so. Still got the Lucky Strike bike, that will never be sold.



Given the circumstances when I met OAB, that was the best quality mono I've seen. Like I said earlier, if my head honcho hadn't been there, I would have smiled, given some sage legal advice, congratulated him on his skill level, and moved on.

Still, what's done is done. Off out to find some cellphone and traffic light tickets.

It was a fair nick, and you and your colleague did a lot for good public relations, even when the boss in the car said you had to do something about me. Was a totally pleasant experience ha.

[Autech]

G'day all,

Yesterday while out for a ride with my good mate, he accelerated away from a set of lights a little too eagerly and lifted the front wheel. We were at the front of the lights and there was no other traffic on our side of the rode so I guess you could say it was "safe", anyway Mr Policeman must have been on the opposite side of the road and hooked a u-turn and promptly pulled us/him over.

Now the question I have is is this actually illegal? That is the lifting of the front wheel, it would have been for 1 maybe 2 seconds max and not even past 45*, not like he was at 12oclock or holding it for a long period or anything. The cop threatened him with 28 day impoundment under the "Boy Racer Act" :eek5: not even sure if that is possible? He wasn't racing or losing traction or anything like that.

In the end he was given a fine for "Operated in manner likely to cause annoyance" what does that even mean? And how the hell do you subjectively test/measure that? Seems like a bs cop out (excuse the pun) because they couldn't actually ticket him for anything. The only info I can find relating to that is this:
In addition, the Traffic Regulations 1976 specify vehicle standards and prohibit a range of undesirable
driving behaviours such as driving in a manner likely to cause annoyance and creation of excessive noise.

So a 1976 law being used to dish out instant $600 fines, that's more than running a red light, texting while driving, and even doing 40kmh over the speed limit! Just seem ludicrous to me :angry:

The other question I have is is this worth contesting? Seems like one of those ones they just give out and expect you not to challenge them on and make an easy $600 off you, on the flipside could he have been let off lightly? Is there any possibility of being charged with careless or even reckless driving just for a small lift of the front wheel/wheelie?
We also noticed the officer left the time of the ticket is that something that can get him off?


I had a quick search and managed to find this thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/2892-Who-s-been-caught-doing-a-wheelie-and-what-penalty-(or-Whisky-s-I-have-Known)?highlight=wheelie+penalty which has some good info but then tails off into which whisky is best...:pinch: haha.

Anyway any advice or insight is much appreciated


Haha should have expected these sort of replies, let me clarify a few things, the speed limit wasn't broken, excessive noise? Possibly but that's subjective and the bike has passed a wof with no questions asked of the exhaust noise levels. Also their was no attitude given, he just apologised for lifting the front wheel and was respectful and well mannered, also I was not side by side racing him, I was in the same lane just slightly back and to the right of him.

So what actually justifies "a manner likely to cause annoyance"? I'm not saying what he did was right but to hit him with that large of a fine for the minimal lift of the front wheel seems out of whack to me. Surely a warning or a fine of $200 or so with demerits would be a more reasonable option?

A guy on a big single or torquey bike can easily pop the wheel up by being a bit overzealous with the gas but if they drop it down rather than keeping it in the air surely that shows you're not trying to deliberately do it? Kinda like sustained loss of traction and how if you start to spin your wheels but back off they usually won't have a go at you for it.

It just seems like a bit of a bend over and take it situation because we're the Police and what we say is gospel don't ask any questions. :Police:

I was in a car which got this ticket once, it was a modified Mitsi Evo and my friend gave her the beans going over the Tauranga-Mt Bridge. The cop never saw him so was unable to clock his speed, he just heard the noise and spun about and pulled us up. They very much wanted to impound the car, spent a long time on the radio but ended up giving the "Driving in a manner likely to cause annoyance ticket".

Basically it is a subjective ticket giving the cops the ability to do anyone that they think drove annoyingly. I told my mate to pay the ticket as he was very lucky to keep the car.
I once was pulled up by a cop who thought I had accelerated away from the lights a bit fast on my 250. I said to the cop, its a bike, we don't have a few tonnes of metal to haul about so they generally do get away a bit better than a car unless you deliberately Nanna it. Cop seemed fine with that but to have been pulled up in the first place is a bit of a joke.

[ellipsis]

...I got a ticket for going to the movies...and I was walking there...

[Laz]

...I got a ticket for going to the movies...and I was walking there...

Was it R rated?