WOF for new motorcycles [Archive]

Ocean1

8th April 2015, 11:46

Personally I think it's crazy to give a motorcycle a 3 year wof!

I agree. They should get them when the owners want to pay for them.

Come on Pete, half of the two wheeled fleet do a couple of thousand miles a year, if you needed to make a compulsory check by a pro you'd go from miles covered wouldn't you? But WOFs are an outdated piece of bullshit, we're one of the few countries still doing them. They make no statistical difference to anything measurable in terms of accidents or fatalities.

ducatilover

8th April 2015, 12:04

Personally I think it's crazy to give a motorcycle a 3 year wof!

I reckon! I can't even make a set of tyres last 3000km :weep: let alone 3 years worth of riding

Jezxa

8th April 2015, 12:16

"My tyres are down to 0.5mm but don't worry, the WOF isn't due for another 2.5 years so they'll keep until then" :rolleyes:

Crasherfromwayback

8th April 2015, 12:22

But WOFs are an outdated piece of bullshit, we're one of the few countries still doing them. They make no statistical difference to anything measurable in terms of accidents or fatalities.

I reckon! I can't even make a set of tyres last 3000km :weep: let alone 3 years worth of riding

"My tyres are down to 0.5mm but don't worry, the WOF isn't due for another 2.5 years so they'll keep until then" :rolleyes:

Yeah. The main prob I see is peeps thinking their bikes are perfectly safe because the current wof says so.

Jezxa

8th April 2015, 12:27

Most car drivers probably think like that but I doubt many bikers do. You'd have to be pretty stupid to outsource the responsibity for your own safety to a WOF sticker

ducatilover

8th April 2015, 12:49

Most car drivers probably think like that but I doubt many bikers do. You'd have to be pretty stupid to outsource the responsibity for your own safety to a WOF sticker

Most bikers think the same too.

Ender EnZed

8th April 2015, 13:15

Even without any outsourcing of responsibility WOFs still create a motivation to keep riding/driving a vehicle in substandard condition until a WOF check is due, even if only for the sake of saving a bit of time.

I.e. When someone's back tyre first reaches the point that it's worn enough that they'd be happy to pay for it to be replaced but the WOF is still a month away. If taking the bike to the shop requires a bit of organisation and they're only going to ride it a couple of times in that month anyway, then it's easy to rationalise turning WOF + tyre into one trip to the shop. You can of course get a WOF early (I often do) but then the next one is sooner.

Crasherfromwayback

8th April 2015, 13:58

Most car drivers probably think like that but I doubt many bikers do. You'd have to be pretty stupid to outsource the responsibity for your own safety to a WOF sticker

You'd be surprised.

Banditbandit

8th April 2015, 14:42

Most car drivers probably think like that but I doubt many bikers do. You'd have to be pretty stupid to outsource the responsibity for your own safety to a WOF sticker

You'd be surprised.

I'm with Crasher .. there's a shit load of bikes out there which are not safe yet people still ride them ...

Scuba_Steve

8th April 2015, 14:59

I'm with Crasher .. there's a shit load of bikes out there which are not safe yet people still ride them ...

Hey VTNZ keep giving me WoF stickers, must be safe right??? :shifty:

scumdog

8th April 2015, 17:16

Yeah. The main prob I see is peeps thinking their bikes are perfectly safe because the current wof says so.

Yep, I've heard lots of idiots say "You can't give me a ticket, it's got a warrant"

Never mind the fact steel-belt is sticking through the rubber bit etc...:rolleyes:

Or it only has three of the four wheel nuts on each wheel...<_<

Ocean1

8th April 2015, 18:06

Yep, I've heard lots of idiots say "You can't give me a ticket, it's got a warrant"

Never mind the fact steel-belt is sticking through the rubber bit etc...:rolleyes:

Or it only has three of the four wheel nuts on each wheel...<_<

Which sorta proves the point: WOFs don't prevent poor maintenance, at best they're an excuse for it.

And again: you can theorise 'till the cows come home, the fact is statistically they make no difference to accident or fatality rates. So why have 'em?

ducatilover

8th April 2015, 18:21

Which sorta proves the point: WOFs don't prevent poor maintenance, at best they're an excuse for it.

And again: you can theorise 'till the cows come home, the fact is statistically they make no difference to accident or fatality rates. So why have 'em?

I think the issue is people do not give a fuck. Not many care about maintaining a car/bike, especially correct preventative maintenance. They only care about not getting the ticket, so they will only do what is said to be done on the WoF sheet.

If I really think about the WoF idea, I do not know if it will be worse, or not without them. But I do like the idea of the majority of the non-fuck-givers having the motivation (fines) to not drive a massively unsafe car

We need to educate the plonkers about maintaining their vehicles and the long term monetary gain

Ocean1

8th April 2015, 18:32

I think the issue is people do not give a fuck. Not many care about maintaining a car/bike, especially correct preventative maintenance. They only care about not getting the ticket, so they will only do what is said to be done on the WoF sheet.

If I really think about the WoF idea, I do not know if it will be worse, or not without them. But I do like the idea of the majority of the non-fuck-givers having the motivation (fines) to not drive a massively unsafe car

We need to educate the plonkers about maintaining their vehicles and the long term monetary gain

Yet again: comparisons before and after WOF type inspections were implemented/arseholed and between similar states/countries with/without such inspections show no difference in accident or fatality rates.

WOFs don't do anything. Seriously.

As for the can't give a fuck thing: If it's a causal factor in accidents then requiring those that don't give a fuck to get a WOF will either not bother, (what with not giving a fuck and all) or get one, either way it don't change accident rates.

My personal bitch is the cars you see with space saver tyres day after day after day....

Still, you don't have to like it, it doesn't seem right and it orta not be allowed. But it's a fact: A WOF makes you no safer. Not a jot. So why bother?

Gadget1

8th April 2015, 19:02

Yet again: comparisons before and after WOF type inspections were implemented/arseholed and between similar states/countries with/without such inspections show no difference in accident or fatality rates.

WOFs don't do anything. Seriously.

As for the can't give a fuck thing: If it's a causal factor in accidents then requiring those that don't give a fuck to get a WOF will either not bother, (what with not giving a fuck and all) or get one, either way it don't change accident rates.

My personal bitch is the cars you see with space saver tyres day after day after day....

Still, you don't have to like it, it doesn't seem right and it orta not be allowed. But it's a fact: A WOF makes you no safer. Not a jot. So why bother?

IMHO, the Wof issue appears to be a way for tptb to address their basic "duty of care" and be seen as doing the right thing for the masses.

ducatilover

8th April 2015, 19:19

Yet again: comparisons before and after WOF type inspections were implemented/arseholed and between similar states/countries with/without such inspections show no difference in accident or fatality rates.

WOFs don't do anything. Seriously.

As for the can't give a fuck thing: If it's a causal factor in accidents then requiring those that don't give a fuck to get a WOF will either not bother, (what with not giving a fuck and all) or get one, either way it don't change accident rates.

My personal bitch is the cars you see with space saver tyres day after day after day....

Still, you don't have to like it, it doesn't seem right and it orta not be allowed. But it's a fact: A WOF makes you no safer. Not a jot. So why bother?

I certainly have no argument for that at all. I make sure my vehicles are safe to ride/drive, regardless of WoF. And you're right, people will still drive shit cars

So making a basic car knowledge course part of obtaining a licence may be a good idea. Seeing as average Joe Bloggs doesn't understand what a fucked tyre, or unsafe tyre looks like.

Kickaha

8th April 2015, 19:28

Most car drivers probably think like that but I doubt many bikers do.
Contrary to popular belief motorcyclists are just as ignorant and stupid as any other group of road users

Yet again: comparisons before and after WOF type inspections were implemented/arseholed and between similar states/countries with/without such inspections show no difference in accident or fatality rates.
Having seen some of the shit that gets failed for WOF that suprises me

mossy1200

8th April 2015, 19:35

I timed my warrant poorly. I had 1.4mm tread at the back so still good for 200km or 3 launches. Bike was 2years old so I still only got a one year WOF to take it to 3years. It was a losing situation all round.

Ocean1

8th April 2015, 21:04

I certainly have no argument for that at all. I make sure my vehicles are safe to ride/drive, regardless of WoF. And you're right, people will still drive shit cars

So making a basic car knowledge course part of obtaining a licence may be a good idea. Seeing as average Joe Bloggs doesn't understand what a fucked tyre, or unsafe tyre looks like.

Doubt it'd make much difference. In a time when not checking the fluid levels on an old pommie piece of shit put you seriously at risk of a long walk and you'd think people would know better my brother saw the oil light come on half way home from town. He did ask me if there might be something wrong when he got there, to be fair. :facepalm: I'm not even sure that the subsequent expense and weeks of long walks taught him anything.

Same today. The ratio of idiots per kilometre is a fair bit higher though.

Mike.Gayner

8th April 2015, 21:12

If I really think about the WoF idea, I do not know if it will be worse, or not without them. But I do like the idea of the majority of the non-fuck-givers having the motivation (fines) to not drive a massively unsafe car

There's where the issue is - cars that would fail a WOF are not "massively unsafe". In fact, whether or not a jurisdiction has an inspection regime, accidents in which mechanical failure etc is a contributing factor are a vanishingly small proportion. Think about the shit you fail a WOF for - a bit of rust. Ever seen even the rustiest car actually have a structural failure? I haven't, and it's mind blowingly rare. A small chip in the windscreen? Windscreens don't fail catastrophically, the technology is way past that. Even things like suspension linkages making a lot of noise - probability of an actual failure is tiny, and unless it's a tie rod, unlikely to contribute to an accident.

Inspection regimes are bullshit cash cows, they don't contribute to safety and they give people a false sense of security.

edit: My post above specifically refers to cars - if some stupid shit wants to ride his bike without the basic safety checks involved in a WOF, that's his own deal. Bike WOFs are a joke.

Ocean1

8th April 2015, 21:13

Having seen some of the shit that gets failed for WOF that suprises me

It is surprising. But I love it when shit like that turns out to be completely counterintuitive. Especially when "the man" has backed the popular cause.

Fair to note that at least a couple of the research surveys had confounding factors that could have hidden small differences, but several surveys showed the same broad result: any differences are too small to measure.

Ocean1

8th April 2015, 21:18

Think about the shit you fail a WOF for - a bit of rust. Ever seen even the rustiest car actually have a structural failure? I haven't, and it's mind blowingly rare.

I think the driver behind that particular jerky knee was a car vs truck accident where it turned out the car was in fact two cars that had been pop riveted together.

You just can't legislate for idiots, I don't think they read that shit.

PS: I'm by no means convinced that even that level of idiocy had any effect on the fatal outcome.

ducatilover

8th April 2015, 22:02

I'm struggling to think of any examples of mechanical failures that have caused crashes.

I don't really count tyres, I have had a happy looking tyre delaminate at high speed in a corner (no crash involed, but a fair amount of sideways and shitting)
I was passenger in a Falcon that magically de-beaded a tyre and understeered over a bank, nothing the WoF or inspection would help

I've driven cars with perfectly wof-able rubber from China that is seriously fucking dangerous in the dry, and wet, with much random under/oversteer at normal speeds. Yet a set of R888s with 1.4mm of tread will outperform the majority of road tyres in wet, or dry.

Fuck it, I'm not getting a WoF again.
My daily is a sack of shit anyway

pritch

8th April 2015, 22:55

But WOFs are an outdated piece of bullshit, we're one of the few countries still doing them.

On the contrary the European parliament was in the process of passing laws to enact a "super warrant" which would have banned virtually all modifications to any bike. The actual detail of the thing hadn't even been completed but it was just passing through the system to become law. Brit bikers heard about it and whipped up resistance and it was stopped. The legislation hasn't died though, it is just laying low. It is believed that a German company that does warrant type work throughout Europe was pushing it via their tame politicians. Neither the company nor the politicians have gone anywhere.

If something like that was passed to cover all the EEC countries some underemployed dickhead here might sit up and take notice, next thing we could have it too.

Scuba_Steve

8th April 2015, 23:06

On the contrary the European parliament was in the process of passing laws to enact a "super warrant" which would have banned virtually all modifications to any bike. The actual detail of the thing hadn't even been completed but it was just passing through the system to become law. Brit bikers heard about it and whipped up resistance and it was stopped. The legislation hasn't died though, it is just laying low. It is believed that a German company that does warrant type work throughout Europe was pushing it via their tame politicians. Neither the company nor the politicians have gone anywhere.

If something like that was passed to cover all the EEC countries some underemployed dickhead here might sit up and take notice, next thing we could have it too.

Well considering it's the same German company that MTA are selling VTNZ to now it doesn't make them as much cash moneys with this new legislation don't rule it out

Ocean1

9th April 2015, 08:32

IMHO, the Wof issue appears to be a way for tptb to address their basic "duty of care" and be seen as doing the right thing for the masses.

Who told them they had any such "duty"?

The function of government is not to "save us from ourselves", that's reserved for religion, where we can ignore any such bullshit at our leisure.

On the contrary the European parliament was in the process of passing laws to enact a "super warrant" which would have banned virtually all modifications to any bike. The actual detail of the thing hadn't even been completed but it was just passing through the system to become law. Brit bikers heard about it and whipped up resistance and it was stopped. The legislation hasn't died though, it is just laying low. It is believed that a German company that does warrant type work throughout Europe was pushing it via their tame politicians. Neither the company nor the politicians have gone anywhere.

If something like that was passed to cover all the EEC countries some underemployed dickhead here might sit up and take notice, next thing we could have it too.

Oh aye, commercial and ideological forces are forever trying to institute policy based on nothing but their own interests and a light veneer of heavily spun "facts". Don't make it right.

Even a majority acceptance of such bullshit don't make it right, there's enough ineffective regulation based on the old "they orta" effect already. All we can do is focus on trying to prevent any more laws arriving that purport to "benefit everyone" while having no measurable effect other than reducing personal freedoms.

Gadget1

9th April 2015, 14:14

[QUOTE=Ocean1;1130850837]Who told them they had any such "duty"?

The function of government is not to "save us from ourselves", that's reserved for religion, where we can ignore any such bullshit at our leisure.

From what is understand, it originated in the old English system where the King was obligated to give protection etc to faithful citizens and has evolved from there.

See page 7 of this:http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3172&context=dlj

Incidently, I don't necessarily agree with Government duty of care, my comments were an observation.

R650R

10th April 2015, 19:19

I bet you'd all be chomping at the bit to point out to first cop on the scene that the other vehicle doesn't have a current WOF if you were in an accident...
Its a bit like drivers licence, doesn't mean at all that you are competent as a driver, just that you performed acceptably in a brief period during a prescribed set of circumstances...

Everything the govt does is to protect us from the lowest common denominator and sadly on your typical bell curve a large part of our society is less than average in many areas.... You only have to watch police tv shows for five minutes to see why we need mandatory checks....
Not a fan of WOF either... why should I buy new tyres for my car just incase a biker pulls out in front of me on a wet road....

Gadget1

10th April 2015, 19:53

bsasuper

10th April 2015, 20:12

Yeah. The main prob I see is peeps thinking their bikes are perfectly safe because the current wof says so.

Natures way of keeping the population in check:yes:

FJRider

10th April 2015, 20:17

... why should I buy new tyres for my car just incase a biker pulls out in front of me on a wet road....

Because ... If your tyres are below the legally required minimum tread depth ... YOU may be held responsible ...

Remember the bit about being able to stop in half the distance of clear road ahead ... ???

But when the dust settles after the prang ... you BOTH may get a ticket.

FJRider

10th April 2015, 20:21

I think/hope the cops would see past whether a Wof is in currency or not in the end.

A WOF is valid at the time of testing. Nothing in legislation states it WILL be safe for the FULL period it states on the label. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is safe.

Gadget1

10th April 2015, 20:41

[QUOTE=FJRider;1130851416]A WOF is valid at the time of testing. Nothing in legislation states it WILL be safe for the FULL period it states on the label. It is the drivers responsibility to ensure it is safe.[/QUOTE

That's why I mentioned the cops seeing past the currency or non currency aspect in the end, ie: The fact it's a current Wof aint worth much if the car's not up to scratch.

speights_bud

10th April 2015, 21:05

While I'm here...

Get down to VTNZ and buy your trailer a new plate. Costs about 100 bucks including a year rego (I think it's a year worth)

YOUR TRAILER WILL NOW HAVE 3 YEAR WOF (when you get one) .

Don't take the trailer with you, just pick up the plate on your way home from work. When the lady asks "is it made from new parts?" just smile and say yes m'am.

Of course you'll know trailers are vin exempt.

Plus you'll want to do the responsible thing and take the plate home to fit it with the lights etc before "bringing it back for a WOF later."

Then proceed to go get a 3 year WOF from wherever you please.

Rinse and repeat every 3 years as you'll drop off to annual WOF after that.

Not only does it pay for itself, it saves you the hassle.
"oh fuck need to use the trailer today but it's got no wof AGAIN."

Then (the final step) you just surrender the old plate at your leisure, or flog it off for a box of piss (including whatever remains of the wof period) and hey presto you just saved a mate 100bucks registering his lapsed trailer and scored yourself a doz.

Ocean1

10th April 2015, 21:11

Rinse and repeat every 3 years as you'll drop off to annual WOF after that.

Not only does it pay for itself, it saves you the hassle.
"oh fuck need to use the trailer today but it's got no wof AGAIN."

Meh, it's only a few bucks, it's the inconvenience that hurts.

That, and finding your fucking WOF ran out the week before you need to use it. Several years in a row.

speights_bud

10th April 2015, 21:15

Meh, it's only a few bucks, it's the inconvenience that hurts.

That, and finding your fucking WOF ran out the week before you need to use it. Several years in a row.
Absofuckinglutely! It's the Time which is the pain In the arse. I haven't paid for a WOF for years now.

Although for most the few bucks is a box of piss every WOF...

Scuba_Steve

10th April 2015, 21:39

I hate them from every aspect
It takes money better spent on riding
It takes time better spent riding
It offer's absolutely nothing in return for money [read: extortion]
It fails to do what it claims/implies & the fact LVV certs exist is a clear example of this
It offers no protection of any kind & excuses itself from any responsibility
It's used as a reason for people not to take responsibility for their own vehicles

R650R

11th April 2015, 15:43

I think/hope the cops would see past whether a Wof is in currency or not in the end.

Of course they do and so do insurance companies, I'm just highlighting the likely hypocracy that would arise in such circumstances.

R650R

11th April 2015, 15:45

Then (the final step) you just surrender the old plate at your leisure, or flog it off for a box of piss (including whatever remains of the wof period) and hey presto you just saved a mate prison time with his stolen trailer and scored yourself an accessory to fraud charge...

Fixed that for you

R650R

11th April 2015, 15:54

Because ... If your tyres are below the legally required minimum tread depth ... YOU may be held responsible ...

Remember the bit about being able to stop in half the distance of clear road ahead ... ???

But when the dust settles after the prang ... you BOTH may get a ticket.

If sarcasm is present in a reply YOU may be mislead... I love the hardon you have for stating the obvious, well obvious if I hadn't been taking the piss to start with...

Gadget1

11th April 2015, 17:53

Of course they do and so do insurance companies, I'm just highlighting the likely hypocracy that would arise in such circumstances.

But don't you think for the hypocrisy to be real, we would have to not believe in Wofs but the Wof currency would have to be an issue?

R650R

4th June 2015, 11:14

WOF expiry dates.... I'm usually well sorted in this dept but waiting for parts for wagon.

So the Expiry date on WOF, when does your right to operate that vehicle end? Is it at the start of that day on expiry date or midnight at end of that day???

jonnyk5614

7th June 2015, 14:29

Never seen the point of NZ WOFs.... All the cars in our household go to the local $25 chap. And they all come back with equal tyre depth on each corners and equal brake efficiency after 10mins. What are the chances? My guy doesn't even have any brake rollers but could somehow give a side/side handbrake efficiency %!

The problem is the WOFs are a joke....

The annual British MOT is generally $90, or $50 if you can get a deal of some sorts.

Your car MUST (and does) go on brake rollers. Only 4WD and cars that are too low are exempt and they get an accelerometer check. I know, my Spitfire was too low (put it on the rollers and the nose sat on the floor). I always saw the guy do the check with the accelerometer.

You also get an emissions check and they'll quibble with any oil leaks (I've found NZ roads to end up far greasier than UK ones - not sure why).
They don't get all cranky about rust like we do. If it is bad enough, it will fail but not as pathetic as we are here.
The checks are thorough and take about 45mins.

I used to like having an MOT. I wouldn't notice brake efficiency going downhill over time, or my steering play increase (something I failed for and was amazed at the results when I fixed it!). I'm perfectly mechanically able but when something happens very gradually over time to your daily driver, you just don't notice it. You are used to how your car feels and simply don't realise until someone who doesn't know your car goes "well that is shit mate!".
I failed a couple of times for sure.
- The steering UJ got too worn.
- Loose wheel bearing

And the advice was good - "mate - bleed your brakes".

Lastly, all you have to do after significant mods in the UK is an MOT. Much nicer that the LVV system.

Many of us are conscientious - we are bikers and "should" be aware of the risks after-all. But after seeing countless people driving tyres on canvas getting pulled up by cops going "nah mate - you are just out to make money" as they get given compliance rather than a fine you do have to ask what planet many car drivers are on.

baffa

10th June 2015, 16:40

"My tyres are down to 0.5mm but don't worry, the WOF isn't due for another 2.5 years so they'll keep until then" :rolleyes:

I was out for an evening ride a few years ago and came across a young guy tinkering on his bike on the forecourt of a closed service station. He had a one year old ninja 250.
Pulled in to see if he needed a hand, and found he had overtightened his chain, and was trying to adjust it on the spot. Was trying to give him a hand, and having a nosey at his bike at the same time. Notice the rear tyre has a good 4mm of tread on the edges, and was so worn in the middle it was to the point you could see the pattern of the belt.

I made some comment to the effect of "what the fuck", and he leaned over, looked at the tire, and looked at me and asked "is that bad?"
3 year wofs are a ridiculously stupid idea.

Tazz

10th June 2015, 17:26

I agree with the above. I knew fuck all about cars (still do) for at least the first 2 years of ownership and relied on a WOF's and the local mechanic to keep the car up to scratch. There are inconsistencies and I've had my fair amount of run ins with clueless inspectors ("You should really have a spare tyre mate. I can sort you out with one" "I have one bolted off the back door you opened just before mate..." but all in all it is a good system.

Teaching people what to look for in checking brake pad wear, tyre wear and dangerous (or any!) fluid leaks is something I think should be part of your license tests. Not necessarily as something that is marked, but something that is shown.
Until my mechanic called my pimpled face over to show me worn pads on one side and new on the other I had no idea what I was looking for when checking them. And then again when I got into 4x4ing I was lucky enough there was a local guy who would let you work in his workshop and give you pointers/help along the way.

I rely less on WOF's now to tell me what needs doing, and I still get fucked off with a lot of stupid shit being 'interpretative', but I see their point.

Plus if they get rid of them then the fuzz will be on your vehicle like even more of a rash, and you can bet they will be even more inconsistent and uninformed than those that slip through the cracks of the current system.
I caught a quick clip of some cop show the other night where the cop was said some young gun had been doing burnouts for sure because the oil on the side of his engine was a sure sign of them :Police: :rolleyes:

jonnyk5614

19th June 2015, 11:10

I caught a quick clip of some cop show the other night where the cop was said some young gun had been doing burnouts for sure because the oil on the side of his engine was a sure sign of them :Police: :rolleyes:

Yeah saw that and went "doh - you serious?". By that rationale, my Mum does burnouts in her Nissan Sentra every Friday!

jonnyk5614

19th June 2015, 11:16

Teaching people what to look for in checking brake pad wear, tyre wear and dangerous (or any!) fluid leaks is something I think should be part of your license tests. Not necessarily as something that is marked, but something that is shown.

Just put my sister through her car restricted and was surprised that she didn't have to show how to do anything mechanical on the car. I've never done the Kiwi test - just swapped my license.

Back in the UK, you've got to show your oil level, washer-jet top-up, brake fluid level, tyre tread depth (the rim on a 20pence piece is 3mm) as I recall. Sure, we aren't making them learn how to strip their brake callipers but it is a start right?

My theory test had a question on brake wear indicators (or rather the noise they make) as well, as I recall...

Maha

19th June 2015, 11:27

Just put my sister through her car restricted and was surprised that she didn't have to show how to do anything mechanical on the car. I've never done the Kiwi test - just swapped my license.

Back in the UK, you've got to show your oil level, washer-jet top-up, brake fluid level, tyre tread depth (the rim on a 20pence piece is 3mm) as I recall. Sure, we aren't making them learn how to strip their brake callipers but it is a start right?

My theory test had a question on brake wear indicators (or rather the noise they make) as well, as I recall...

That's what boyfriends/Husbands are for....oh and backing the trailer.

Tazz

19th June 2015, 13:58

Yeah saw that and went "doh - you serious?". By that rationale, my Mum does burnouts in her Nissan Sentra every Friday!

Don't lie, it's everyday :laugh:

But yeah they're pretty slack with general car safety checks. They had that twirl campaign last year which is something, but it's starting from the wrong side with enforcement BEFORE education :mad: When will they learn...

Even the driving to the conditions thing could do with a bit more of a push, but at least it is mentioned in the tests now (I think in relation to following distances?)

That's what boyfriends/Husbands are for....oh and backing the trailer.

Nawww, it's nice that he looks after you like that mate :laugh: