Turbans instead of helmets?

[Brett]

Heading down Highbrook Drive today with one of my employees heading to visit a client. Was sitting directly behind a cop car when we drove passed an Indian looking gentleman on a motorcycle. Both of us immediately spotted that he was wearing a turban and no helmet, however the cop either didn't notice, or perhaps just didn't care. Surely the law doesn't allow someone to ride around with a turban for head protection?

[Gremlin]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/assistance/exemptions.html#motorcycle

[Berries]

Yes it does.


7.12 Safety helmets for all terrain vehicles, motorcycles, and mopeds
(1) A person must not drive or ride on an all terrain vehicle, on a motorcycle, in a sidecar, or on a moped on a road unless the person is wearing a safety helmet of an approved standard that is securely fastened.

....Snip....

(8) A person is not in breach of subclause (1) if the person proves that at the time of the commission of the alleged breach he or she was an adherent of the Sikh religion.
(9) Subclause (8) does not apply if the vehicle was being driven at a speed exceeding 50 km per hour

Was it hi-viz?

[5ive]

As long as he was riding on the correct side of the road at the correct speed, it's legal.

Not a big problem in my opionon, personal responsibility and religious freedoms etc.

He probably doesn't want to take a helmet off when he gets to work :msn-wink:

[awa355]

You will 'av to Sikh further information. :cool::cool:

[EJK]

Was it hi-viz?

Was he wearing a bomb?

[awa355]

310948 "I am thinking, Dear God, Budda, Allah, anyone?, Please grant me safe journey, I am suicide bomber on way to infidel's market, I dont want to crash and get hurt, Thank you all mighty one"

[AllanB]

I'm sick of these modern times.

Fuck your religious beliefs - wear a fucking helmet as I have to - if you don't like it go back to XXXLand.

Yeah I sound like some raving old fucktard, but seriously.

Tomorrow I'm off to the coffee shop and I'm going to pull the waitresses hair.

[98tls]

Heading down Highbrook Drive today with one of my employees heading to visit a client. Was sitting directly behind a cop car when we drove passed an Indian looking gentleman on a motorcycle. Both of us immediately spotted that he was wearing a turban and no helmet, however the cop either didn't notice, or perhaps just didn't care. Surely the law doesn't allow someone to ride around with a turban for head protection?

Dont blame the cop really no doubt he took the best option,theres a fair chance the guy was a good bloke but there excitable beyond belief and they stink he was probably having an ok day and just thought "let it go no need to ruin it".

[Berries]

What a wonderfully tolerant and knowledgeable country we live in.

ੴ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸੈਭੰ ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

[Mike.Gayner]

I'm sick of these modern times.

Fuck your religious beliefs - wear a fucking helmet as I have to - if you don't like it go back to XXXLand.

Yeah I sound like some raving old fucktard, but seriously.

Tomorrow I'm off to the coffee shop and I'm going to pull the waitresses hair.

Why does it piss you off so much? Just mind your own shit and stop being such a nosey cunt.

[Madness]

"I am thinking, Dear God, Budda, Allah, anyone?, Please grant me safe journey, I am suicide bomber on way to infidel's market, I dont want to crash and get hurt, Thank you all mighty one"

Don't confuse Sikhs with dirty old Muslims. Sikhs are badass mofo's and not to be fucked with but they have no desire for world domination and seem quite happy to mind their own business, thank you very much please come again ;)

[EJK]

Don't confuse Sikhs with dirty old Muslims. Sikhs are badass mofo's and not to be fucked with but they have no desire for world domination and seem quite happy to mind their own business, thank you very much please come again ;)

Not sure about world domination but BAMFs indeed.

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[pritch]

Don't confuse Sikhs with dirty old Muslims. Sikhs are badass mofo's and not to be fucked with but they have no desire for world domination and seem quite happy to mind their own business, thank you very much please come again ;)

True, and another part of their religion requires them to carry swords, so some respect will not be misplaced? Just in case.

[Berries]

Not sure about world domination but BAMFs indeed.
I need a curry after listening to that.

[Ender EnZed]

Not sure about world domination but BAMFs indeed.


Did he die at the end?

[haydes55]

I'm pastafarian. Is my religion less important? I have to wear a colander on my head, so I can't wear a helmet.

[Grumph]

I'm sick of these modern times.

Fuck your religious beliefs - wear a fucking helmet as I have to - if you don't like it go back to XXXLand.

Yeah I sound like some raving old fucktard, but seriously.

Tomorrow I'm off to the coffee shop and I'm going to pull the waitresses hair.

Modern? wake up and realise that that law has been on the books since helmet wearing became compulsory in NZ - and was copied from the earlier law in the UK. The Sikhs were very active in the UK to get an exemption on religious grounds - and that was i think in the late 50's, early 60's.

By all means pull a waitress's hair, given the publicity in the last day or so, they're all feeling empowered now and at the very least you'll get coffee in your lap - or even a knuckle sandwich.

[Brett]

Not sure about world domination but BAMFs indeed.


Bunch of meat-heads if that clip is anything to go by.

[KoroJ]

'Twas a common sight in Singapore when I lived there in the early 80's....along with jackets on back to front.

Funniest thing was one time when it started to rain (typical tropical effing downpour) and this chap pulls over and puts a shower cap over his turban!!

[dakk]

Well... if they don't wear a helmet they are more likely to die instead of being a vegetable, which means less burden on health care systems. I'd put money down that if you are complaining about wearing a helmet you probably don't use any other protective gear (rubber included)....

Seriously, what's your head and body worth? Wearing the right gear is just the smart thing to do.

[RDJ]

They (Sikhs) also get to wear 'religious' daggers...

I need to start my own religion. Say, The Church of Speed: our credo: Salvation Through Acceleration. Oh all ye sinners - how fast do you wanna be saved? Then I can be exempt from the standard rules like all the other believers in ISFs*.

*(Imaginary Sky Friends).

But somehow I doubt the Forces of Lorrenorder will extend me the same religion-based forbearance... and I'm pretty sure the IRS will not allow me church-like tax exemptions...

[rastuscat]

Funny story.

You can get an exemption from wearing cycle helmets on religious grounds.

A bloke down here in Chur Chur has started his own church. It's the Velocipedean Church of NZ. They have a Facebook page, it's private.

They believe that cycle helmets are illogical, as they discourage people from cycling, and thus cause obesity. So NZTA has granted them helmet exemptions.

True story.

[RDJ]

Wow. Just wow... Food For Thought...

[TheDemonLord]

I need to start my own religion. Say, The Church of Speed: our credo: Salvation Through Acceleration. Oh all ye sinners - how fast do you wanna be saved?

Though I ride Through the shadow of the Valley of Death ..I Shall Fear No Evil. For I am at 180 kph and accelerating!

[jonnyk5614]

They're exempt to 50kph. You can ride a pushbike faster than that.

Turban probably protects them better than the pushbike helmets!

[RDJ]

I have to say I'm quite unsympathetic in this regard.

Religious exemptions are based on the fact that someone's imaginary sky friend should trump the law of the land. I call BS.

If you want to ride around with your raghead covering and ignore the law that applies to everybody else (and not incidentally, you would still expect to be covered by the society-funded ACC levy) then basically from my point of view, you should be stopped, taken to court, and subjected to the same law that everybody else is subject to.

If you don't like it, go to whatever Trashcanistan which doesn't mind you riding round with a towel around your head.

Q.E.D.

[Reckless]

Funny story.

You can get an exemption from wearing cycle helmets on religious grounds.

A bloke down here in Chur Chur has started his own church. It's the Velocipedean Church of NZ. They have a Facebook page, it's private.

They believe that cycle helmets are illogical, as they discourage people from cycling, and thus cause obesity. So NZTA has granted them helmet exemptions.

True story.

FFS We should have all boarded the same boat that commonsense did when it left good ole NZ aye :facepalm: :brick::bye:

[cynna]

They believe that cycle helmets are illogical, as they discourage people from cycling, and thus cause obesity. So NZTA has granted them helmet exemptions.

True story.

makes sense. i never grab my bike and head to the shops anymore. helmet has something to do with it - also due to bike thiefs and im lazy

[BMWGSER]

He will have to take His turbin of if He wants to go into the Manurewa cosie club. They were on the news last week, The club is not budging on their rules which have been in effect for 50 years even after the Human rights Ruling. The Guy on the bike with the turbin would be a new imagrint they just don't bother finding out what the road rules are ,doesn't mater if He's killed plenty more coming over .

[ellipsis]

...I'd say the Sikh gentleman has more of a gift for the English language and better grammatical skills than most who dribble here...they are not Muslim or Arabic and they have a dispensation to wear their turbans in plenty of countries and even those who are policemen or in the military get the over-ruling dispensation...carry on you really clever, thick cunts...

[RDJ]

You're projecting again, ellipsis. You're seeing race where there is no race involved. Nothing against Sikhs - quite the opposite. Have worked with many. Very much against religious dispensations to anyone with regards to safety regulations and law.

Exactly the same as when we have to take off our helmet inside a bank or gas station, but those who are all burqa'd up get to stroll around anonymously/unidentifiably. Muslim is not a race, it's a religion.

[Tazz]

Very much against religious dispensations to anyone with regards to safety regulations and law.

I thought about trying to do FSM church thing, with the colander hat, as my little form of protest for some of this stuff, but then I kinda thought for a second that I actually don't give a fuck who has what on their head when I go to the bank, or supermarket, or playground, so why bother? Just because I can't? Fuck why would I want to wear a burqa or a 'hat' ALL THE TIME EVEN WHEN IT IS INCONVENIENT anyway? I can't see their face, so what? They probably wish they couldn't see mine.

As for safety and law, is it because you are concerned for his safety, or because the law 'forces' you to wear a helmet yourself you can't stand to see someone get away with not having to...?
To me, you could ride in nothing but a floral bonnet, your choice, has naught to do with me.

[ellipsis]

You're projecting again, ellipsis. You're seeing race where there is no race involved. Nothing against Sikhs - quite the opposite. Have worked with many. Very much against religious dispensations to anyone with regards to safety regulations and law.

Exactly the same as when we have to take off our helmet inside a bank or gas station, but those who are all burqa'd up get to stroll around anonymously/unidentifiably. Muslim is not a race, it's a religion.


...projecting, is that like showing movies...there is always a race, that's what some of us do, and 'or' differentiates between, [religion] or [sand eating tribes]. How the fuck did burqas get into this...Sikh males who don't cover their faces and are from India have got sweet fuck all to do with towelheads...

[Tazz]

...projecting, is that like showing movies...there is always a race, that's what some of us do, and 'or' differentiates between, [religion] or [sand eating tribes]. How the fuck did burqas get into this...Sikh males who don't cover their faces and are from India have got sweet fuck all to do with towelheads...

They have nothing to do with it, simply:


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[RDJ]

As for safety and law, is it because you are concerned for his safety, or because the law 'forces' you to wear a helmet yourself you can't stand to see someone get away with not having to...?
To me, you could ride in nothing but a floral bonnet, your choice, has naught to do with me.

I'm not his nanny... his safety his mainly his concern, just as you and I are mostly responsible for ours. But when the law is not applied equally / fairly, it falls into disrepute. That is bad for everyone.

[RDJ]

...projecting, is that like showing movies...

Projection (Psychological) 1) An unconscious self-defence mechanism characterised by a person unconsciously attributing their own issues onto someone or something else as a form of delusion and denial. 2) A way to blame others for your own negative thoughts by repressing them and then attributing them to someone else.

[RDJ]

How the fuck did burqas get into this...Sikh males who don't cover their faces and are from India have got sweet fuck all to do with towelheads...

Burqas are another item allegedly required by some other imaginary sky friend, where people get dispensations from the law that applies to everybody else.

[ellipsis]

...I'm having a projection right now and some wank, west of reinga is impeding my thought projections with script...

[SpankMe]

You can't (wont) wear the required headgear, you don't get to participate. We need an END to religious privilege.

If I can't wear my colander, you can't wear your towel.

[Tazz]

I'm not his nanny... his safety his mainly his concern, just as you and I are mostly responsible for ours. But when the law is not applied equally / fairly, it falls into disrepute. That is bad for everyone.

Even if it is a bullshit nanny law to begin with?

The world is already over populated. Why are we trying to save people that are to thick to apply caution, or safety equipment, where necessary without wasting time and resources on laws, rules and regulations to enforce em.

Allow any and all religious nut bags, or otherwise, to not wear helmets I say. Take away safety testing for their electrical goods too :bleh: I'm still happy to wear mine regardless of what anyone else is doing.

I understand where you're coming from, but just don't think a few people not having to wear a helmet is the thing to make a stand about it on :laugh:

Plus tolerance, each to their own, who cares who wears what hat and that kinda stuff...

[Banditbandit]

If you don't like it, go to whatever Trashcanistan which doesn't mind you riding round with a towel around your head.

Q.E.D.

Sikhs come from India ... not some trashcanistan as you put it ..


, is it because you are concerned for his safety, or because the law 'forces' you to wear a helmet yourself you can't stand to see someone get away with not having to...?
To me, you could ride in nothing but a floral bonnet, your choice, has naught to do with me.

yeah ... this one ...


I'm not his nanny... his safety his mainly his concern, just as you and I are mostly responsible for ours. But when the law is not applied equally / fairly, it falls into disrepute. That is bad for everyone.

So - apply the same standard to Māori do you???

[RDJ]

The last Sikh gent I worked with lives in Lahore... which is not in India. (Yes the majority moved out to India after partition, but there is a substantial population left in Pakistan).

Having worked in three of the 'stans I stand by my admittedly pejorative group description.

Not sure how the Maori got into this thread, as far as I know they don't claim religious exemptions to not wear helmets. But if they did, then yes one would expect the law to apply universally.

[baffa]

Two things.

People whining about certain groups getting dispensation. This isn't new. You're just using this as an excuse to show how bigoted and ignorant you are.

Second, how is someones belief system any worse than a militant athiets who abuse others?

"Religions" such as Buddhism encourage tolerance of any belief system. You gonna shit on them too because of their more open minded views?

For the record I would prefer no helmet requirements for persons 18 years and over up to 50 kph on any vehicle, let Darwinism take its course.

[caseye]

One thing.
OUR Law says, Helmet!
Anyone coming to our country and "expecting" a world wide dispensation should be told. Fuck off, not here, here it's one rule for all.

[ellipsis]

...i must be getting old...

[scumdog]

Fuck off, not here, here it's one rule for all.


Not in the real world...

[caseye]

Not in the real world...

Go on then, spoil a perfectly good argument with facts, why don't you!

[RDJ]

Two things.

People whining about certain groups getting dispensation. This isn't new. You're just using this as an excuse to show how bigoted and ignorant you are.

Second, how is someones belief system any worse than a militant athiets who abuse others?

"Religions" such as Buddhism encourage tolerance of any belief system. You gonna shit on them too because of their more open minded views?

For the record I would prefer no helmet requirements for persons 18 years and over up to 50 kph on any vehicle, let Darwinism take its course.

Yeah - we're not seeing a whole outbreak of murderous atheism though are we buckwheat? and for the record, it's agnoticism not atheism. The current murderous jackpot is pretty much being hit on a regular basis by people who do believe so vehemently in their Imaginary Sky Friend from the 6th century they will behead you - and bomb you - if you dare to disagree.

As for the Buddhists - they don't expect religious dispensations from laws that I know of: so, no, they're good to go.

Interesting approach you have - disagreement has to be bigoted and ignorant? Ah well. Go through life with that approach and good luck with how far you get.

[Katman]

What a stunning array of bigoted red-necks this site has.

[ellipsis]

it's agnoticism


...really?...

[baffa]

Yeah - we're not seeing a whole outbreak of murderous atheism though are we buckwheat? and for the record, it's agnoticism not atheism. The current murderous jackpot is pretty much being hit on a regular basis by people who do believe so vehemently in their Imaginary Sky Friend from the 6th century they will behead you - and bomb you - if you dare to disagree.

As for the Buddhists - they don't expect religious dispensations from laws that I know of: so, no, they're good to go.

Interesting approach you have - disagreement has to be bigoted and ignorant? Ah well. Go through life with that approach and good luck with how far you get.

I don't see many groups who would "bomb you" if you disagree apart from terrorists and militant groups.

Given your logic, I suppose you'd prefer bikes don't use transit lanes, just because cars with a single occupant cant.
One rule for all right?

[Banditbandit]

One thing.
OUR Law says, Helmet!
Anyone coming to our country and "expecting" a world wide dispensation should be told. Fuck off, not here, here it's one rule for all.

No true - our laws say "helmet unless you are a Sikh".

[SpankMe]

Second, how is someones belief system any worse than a militant athiets who abuse others?


militant atheists??, What militant atheists? Sound like typical made up bullshit you get from religious nut jobs. But what else can you expect from people who believe in hateful, violent, misogynistic fairy tales. Equal rights is an idea you people just cant understand because you want more rights than everyone else.

[Banditbandit]

and for the record, it's agnoticism not atheism.

What about those of us who are athiests ??? I'm certainly not agnostic .. I do not wonder if there is a God, nor have I yet to decide - I know there is no God/s ...


As for the Buddhists - they don't expect religious dispensations from laws that I know of: so, no, they're good to go.



No-one's asking for an exemption the law says helmets unless you are a Sikh ... no exemption is needed for Sikhs ...

[Latte]

No true - our laws say "helmet unless you are a Sikh".

Nice one! Glad someone actually read the legislation.

[nodrog]

Not sure how the Maori got into this thread.....

Probably thought they were missing out on getting some free turbans or something.

Back to these Sikh fellows. Clearly they should be wearing helmets, as they all seem to have some sort of head injury already. Judging by how many have bandages on their heads.

[Grumph]

...i must be getting old...

And much calmer I notice.....

[Banditbandit]

Not sure how the Maori got into this thread, as far as I know they don't claim religious exemptions to not wear helmets. But if they did, then yes one would expect the law to apply universally.

Maori got into this thread because you posted:


But when the law is not applied equally / fairly, it falls into disrepute. That is bad for everyone.

So - I asked - do you apply the same concept to Māori? I.e. do Māori come under the same one -law as the rest of the population .. ???

[caseye]

No true - our laws say "helmet unless you are a Sikh".

Your'e right it does.
Darn it.

[baffa]

Clearly they should be wearing helmets, as they all seem to have some sort of head injury already. Judging by how many have bandages on their heads.

:lol:

Considering you can wear a piece of crap half helmet and still be riding legally, a turban is probably not really much worse protection

[FJRider]

:lol:

Considering you can wear a piece of crap half helmet and still be riding legally, a turban is probably not really much worse protection


Well ... when his turban hits the deck in an accident ... it's highly likely he'll be dead. No long term on-going ACC payments ... Who wins .... and who is the loser in such case .. ???


Many (on THIS site) still want the freedom of choice to wear helmets (or not) ... :laugh:

At least they have a Legal right NOT to ... :laugh:

[eldog]

Initially, when I saw the turban I was surprised, had never thought about it.

later I tried riding without a helmet it was cool, it felt much like the Harley etc ads you see from usa.

then I realised althought it felt great, I realised that I had much better chance of survival wearing my full face helmet.

Esp since I have had several near misses recently with people running the red lights

but I think people should have a choice. As long as they are presented with all the facts, they can make a decision themselves, as some say Darwinism in action.

it now doesn't affect me, it's their decision.
ok ACC cost somewhere. Bugger.

i also apply this thinking to other aspects of life.

[rastuscat]

What a stunning array of bigoted red-necks this site has.

File that in the old-news category.

[Banditbandit]

Initially, when I saw the turban I was surprised, had never thought about it.

later I tried riding without a helmet it was cool, it felt much like the Harley etc ads you see from usa.

then I realised althought it felt great, I realised that I had much better chance of survival wearing my full face helmet.

Esp since I have had several near misses recently with people running the red lights

but I think people should have a choice. As long as they are presented with all the facts, they can make a decision themselves, as some say Darwinism in action.

it now doesn't affect me, it's their decision.
ok ACC cost somewhere. Bugger.

i also apply this thinking to other aspects of life.

Yeah .. many here, like me, were riding bikes when it was not compulsory to wear a helmet ... It was fucking wonderful and we objected to being forced to wear one ...

But after writing off two full face helmets on the front parts, where it would have been my face and head, I would never ride without one again ..

[RDJ]

I trust you will forgive me providing a rather dour medical perspective


people who crash wearing fullface helmets usually don't need to have their facial bones rebuilt
people who crash without any helmets usually don't make it to the ER
people who crash at slow speed without helmets often make it to the ER but don't necessarily do as well as they used to after that; e.g. Gary Busey, Billy Idol (disclaimer, not my patients... I do not have a celebrity practice :-) )
people who crash wearing open face helmets are easy to intubate because the front of their face is usually mobile (and trust me, that is not a Good Thing for the patient even tho' it technically makes my life easier)


I am nervous even firing up my bike to ride it out of the garage without a helmet on
IMO helmets are a necessary evil
Unlike, unnecessary evils

As usual, my opinion only, your mileage may vary...

[Berries]

I trust you will forgive me providing a rather dour medical perspective
No problem.



How many of them were Sikhs though? I am going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say zero.

[RDJ]

How many of them were Sikhs though? I am going to take a wild stab in the dark here and say zero.

None of my patients were. But (when working in the NHS) I saw a Sikh gent admitted who slid off on an M25 exit without a helmet and who had unsurvivable facial / occipital trauma as a consequence. Exactly as would anyone not wearing a helmet; turbans are not a 'shield of steel' *. Head injuries from coming off bikes even at low speeds do not do well. You could also check with Indian Larry.

(* anyone old enough to remember Batfink from the days of one TV Channel?) .

[Berries]

None of my patients were. But (when working in the NHS) I saw a Sikh gent admitted who slid off on an M25 exit without a helmet and who had unsurvivable facial / occipital trauma as a consequence. Exactly as would anyone not wearing a helmet; turbans are not a 'shield of steel' *. Head injuries from coming off bikes even at low speeds do not do well. You could also check with Indian Larry.
I thought that the UK would only allow that dispensation on urban roads as they do here, so the M25 would not be allowed. Sounds like they allow it everywhere though.

[RDJ]

It seems they do

https://www.gov.uk/rules-motorcyclists-83-to-88

[yevjenko]

'Twas a common sight in Singapore when I lived there in the early 80's....along with jackets on back to front.

Funniest thing was one time when it started to rain (typical tropical effing downpour) and this chap pulls over and puts a shower cap over his turban!!
Thread dredge I know, but they still wear their jackets back to front in singers [emoji1]