Electronic stability advances

[awa355]

Dont know if this has been posted before, but someone might find it interesting.

http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20150423-bosch-rides-towards-the-crash-proof-motorbike

[nzspokes]

I think its a brilliant idea. Only thing I would want is the ability to turn it off when I chose to.

[paturoa]

I think its a brilliant idea. Only thing I would want is the ability to turn it off when I chose to.

Not sure about the other bikes it is fitted to but it can be turned off on the KTM. On the KTM it is integrated with both the ABS and TC to also be lean sensitive and has several settings. I like it cos I'm only an average rider and hope that it might save my arse in a panic stop situation or potentially stop a high side on crappy roads.

[Ocean1]

Not sure about the other bikes it is fitted to but it can be turned off on the KTM. On the KTM it is integrated with both the ABS and TC to also be lean sensitive and has several settings. I like it cos I'm only an average rider and hope that it might save my arse in a panic stop situation or potentially stop a high side on crappy roads.

The SDR must have the same basic modules, (lean angle sensor addresses both ABS and traction control), exactly what's different or extra with the 1190 system?

[paturoa]

The SDR must have the same basic modules, (lean angle sensor addresses both ABS and traction control), exactly what's different or extra with the 1190 system?

As far as I know there is no real diff for the SDR to how it functions. From memory on the Adv there is another TC mode called Off Road that isn't on the SD. Basically it lets the rear wheel spin up to twice the speed of the front wheel before intervention. There is also an ABS setting called Off Road that "disconnects" the ABS and lined braking from the rear wheel but still operates as normal on the front.

[Ocean1]

As far as I know there is no real diff for the SDR to how it functions. From memory on the Adv there is another TC mode called Off Road that isn't on the SD. Basically it lets the rear wheel spin up to twice the speed of the front wheel before intervention. There is also an ABS setting called Off Road that "disconnects" the ABS and lined braking from the rear wheel but still operates as normal on the front.

OK, SDR has Supermoto mode that turns ABS off on the rear only, pretty sure it don't turn off TC though, maybe that's the difference between the two...

Next time out I'll set it to that and try a few power slides and report back. <_<

[swbarnett]

locking a rear can be more benign, provided the rider doesn’t release the rear brake while the bike is sliding sideways.
Say what? Every time I've lost rear traction in a corner releasing the rear brake is exactly what I've done (and what I was taught to do) and I've never felt even the slightest possibility of a high-side.


That is an invitation for the rear tire to regain traction when the bike is not pointed straight, and to pitch the rider off as the bike tries violently to realign itself with the direction of travel.
This sounds perfectly logical in theory but, as I've said above, has not been born out by my own experience. It would be nice to know what I'm doing that negates this. Is it perhaps that I'm off the brakes quick enough that the rear wheel realignment is small enough to not be a problem?

[awa355]

As far as I know there is no real diff for the SDR to how it functions. From memory on the Adv there is another TC mode called Off Road that isn't on the SD. Basically it lets the rear wheel spin up to twice the speed of the front wheel before intervention. There is also an ABS setting called Off Road that "disconnects" the ABS and lined braking from the rear wheel but still operates as normal on the front.

Sounds bloody complicated. Wonder what riders did to control traction, braking, etc before all this came along? :argh:

[Ocean1]

Sounds bloody complicated. Wonder what riders did to control traction, braking, etc before all this came along? :argh:

According to that article 37% more of them didn't control them well enough to avoid dying.

[paturoa]

Sounds bloody complicated. Wonder what riders did to control traction, braking, etc before all this came along? :argh:

Simple, they fell off more often and hurt / killed themselves and others more often. Basically several members of this forum falll off and or kill themselves each year. So how do I minimise that risk and maximise my fun for the few remaining years I have?

They (me) rode bikes with 70-100hp and still got themselves (me) in the shit when things got surprising (aka panic!) or my ambitions were bigger than my talent. So what I have is a bike that is way better than my ability. Basically I'm only an average rider, aren't we all?

Several months ago I had a couple of young children run across the road in front of me. There was no thinking, I just hit all of the brakes. On most of my previous bikes I'd have locked the front wheel and binned and wiped them and myself across the road. What actually happened is I hurt my nuts on the tank and stopped about 1m in front of them in a ridiculously short distance. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the electronics are there for normal riding.

The settings are actually really easy to use. I'm only an average rider at best and how I see it is that what these electronics does is let me ride an awesome bike almost everywhere (excluding where Chris Birch takes his).