Harley riding fuckwits being their usual selves

[Mike.Gayner]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11438510

Wouldn't expect anything less from the kind of tossers who are attracted to their bikes solely for their shininess and loudness.

[scumdog]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11438510

Wouldn't expect anything less from the kind of tossers who are attracted to their bikes solely for their shininess and loudness.

Unlike me who bought my bike for the power and handling...<_<

[Mike.Gayner]

Unlike me who bought my bike for the power and handling...<_<

Then how'd you wind up with a HD?

[caseye]

Usual story, the 1%er's spoiling it for the other 99% ordinary folk who simply enjoy what they have.
Not sure yet if I like the way the media are handling this episode, no coverage, means they don't get noticed, but this sort of behaviour at our most important remembrance just gives me the shits.
Surely to God someone they know or were brought up with served and can and should be remembered today, not disrespected in this way.

[jellywrestler]

one has to point out that they made a point of being there.
not trying to defend them but i dont pray with others in funerals as i don't beleive in it, maybe they don't beleive in the last post although i'd agreee it is disrepectful to mar it for others.

[Reckless]

Right during the last post as well :facepalm:

Another article here http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/68047522/bikie-gang-roars-off-during-the-last-post-at-waiouru

They simply couldn't have picked a worse moment to Alienate themselves from Joe public that's for sure.:doh:
Plenty of other bikies showing respect around the country but that ones sure to make the News?

[unstuck]

Mrs Brotherston was emotional speaking of the significance of the commemorations.:crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

[unstuck]

Seems they have offended the rest of the gang bangers too...:laugh::laugh: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Motorcycle-Clubs-New-Zealand/149385875143681

[50Shades]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11438510

Wouldn't expect anything less from the kind of tossers who are attracted to their bikes solely for their shininess and loudness.

Sure pick their moments to annoy the public, they will all be on electric bikes soon, that will shut the tossers up

[Mike.Gayner]

Plenty of other bikies showing respect around the country but that ones sure to make the News?

"People act like decent human beings" isn't really newsworthy.

[skippa1]

Unlike me who bought my bike for the power and handling...<_<
I brought mine just to fuck Gayner off:msn-wink:

[MD]

Makes me ashamed to be a motorcyclist. Mind you those dicks aren't really motorcyclists, but they are in the eyes of Joe Public so we all got tarred today.

They can't try and weasel out of it either saying it was unintended. The pricks sat there revving the gutless tits off their feeble overweight tractors.

[buggerit]

All those rifles, and not a live round between them:2guns:

[Scuba_Steve]

Harleys - turning petroleum into 80% noise, 15% heat & 5% power since 1903

Should ban all Harleys, shoot the riders & crush the bikes... After all they are the bikes equivalent of the cars "boy racer" so it's only right they should have the same treatment right :innocent:

[Smifffy]

It is nothing to do with the fact they're Harleys.

That's like saying guns kill people and pencils cause spelling mistakes.

[Gadget1]

Then how'd you wind up with a HD?



I reckon 'cos there wasn't a ZZR400 available at the time...

[Gadget1]

It is nothing to do with the fact they're Harleys.

That's like saying guns kill people and pencils cause spelling mistakes.



Very true.

[Katman]

Unfortunate timing indeed, but I can assure you all that there would have been no disrespect intended. I know these guys personally - they are customers of mine. The guy leading the ride is one of the more respectful people I've met.

They were passing through on their way to Wellington and who knows what deadline they had to meet. They would have been helmeted up before the Last Post started and were probably unaware of the significance of the disruption.

At least they had the respect to stop in at the ceremony. Did everyone else commenting in this thread manage to make it to their local service?

But if anyone would like me to pass on their comments, let me know.

[Mike.Gayner]

Unfortunate timing indeed, but I can assure you all that there would have been no disrespect intended.

No disrespect intended, just plain old fashioned stupidity then.


But if anyone would like me to pass on their comments, let me know.

Yes pass this one on for me please: I hope the all die choking on each others cum after a hard night on the shandy.

[dickie]

Fukn lowlife scum plain and simple !! Disrespectful oxygen thieving arseholes ! And giving bikers a bad name especially all the good bastards that ride Harley's !!

[Mom]

The Last Post takes but a few moments of time and is usually followed by a minutes silence and then maybe 30 seconds of Reveille to allow the flag to be returned to the top of the pole. I really hate this sort of shit. Sure they turned out to the service, but FFS, all they needed to do was wait another 5 mins max and showed a modicum of respect for the men and women that served and lost their lives so these fuck wits can enjoy the freedoms of todays world!

Wankers the lot of them!


* Look at me, look at me moment warning...

Hey and Katman, I played The Last Post twice today, once at the War Memorial Cemetery and once at the Town War Memorial Public Commemoration.

[Katman]

The Last Post takes but a few moments of time and is usually followed by a minutes silence and then maybe 30 seconds of Reveille to allow the flag to be returned to the top of the pole. I really hate this sort of shit. Sure they turned out to the service, but FFS, all they needed to do was wait another 5 mins max and showed a modicum of respect for the men and women that served and lost their lives so these fuck wits can enjoy the freedoms of todays world!



They may not have attended as many services as you Anne and might not have been aware that the playing of the Last Post was imminent when they were gearing up.

[Gadget1]

But if anyone would like me to pass on their comments, let me know.



Yes, please ask them to contact the news media in order to provide their side of the story.

[Mom]

They may not have attended as many services as you Anne and might not have been aware that the playing of the Last Post was imminent when they were gearing up.

Irrelevant in my opinion. It appears, from reading the news item, they also disrupted the Waiouru Dawn Parade by arriving late and being cunts on their loud, shit bikes.

Bit of notoriety to celebrate with the bros later on I guess. Wankers!

[FJRider]

... And giving bikers a bad name ... !!

We already have a bad name ... just ask ACC ... A lot of motorcyclists actualy LIKE the bad boy(girl) image ... <_<

Unless you have spoken to those accused and got their feedback on what actually happened ... please remain silent. <_<





As Katman suggested ... bad timing ... maybe .... ?? :shutup:

[Katman]

Irrelevant in my opinion. It appears, from reading the news item, they also disrupted the Waiouru Dawn Parade by arriving late and being cunts on their loud, shit bikes.


It's perfectly relevant Anne.

Like I said, at least they stopped. They could have just roared on through town without stopping if they'd really intended to be disrespectful.

[Smifffy]

I imagine next year there will be a cordon further up the street, and nobody that isn't a part of the parade will be allowed a vehicle in the vicinity until completion of the parade. A lot of places already do this.

[Mom]

They could have just roared on through town without stopping if they'd really intended to be disrespectful.

If they had done that, they would have been past, before The Last Post was played.

Kudos to you though for defending the wankers!

[Katman]

If they had done that, they would have been past, before The Last Post was played.


But as I said, at least they were respectful enough to stop.

It's unfortunate that they left when they did - but as I said, they possibly didn't know how long the service might last and we don't know what deadline they had to meet in Wellington.

[FJRider]

... and lost their lives so these fuck wits can enjoy the freedoms of todays world!



Respect is one thing a few lack ... opinion is another thing. They (at worst) exercised THEIR freedoms ... as did you.


Respect for others rights work both ways.

No laws were broken ...

and 20 years ago ... nobody gave a flying fuck about ANZAC day. Why all the PC bullshit now ...


Oh ... I didn't play (and never did) the last post. I WORE THE UNIFORM.

[dickie]

We already have a bad name ... just ask ACC ... A lot of motorcyclists actualy LIKE the bad boy(girl) image ... <_<

Unless you have spoken to those accused and got their feedback on what actually happened ... please remain silent. <_<


As Katman suggested ... bad timing ... maybe .... ?? :shutup:

Piss off !

[bogan]

Surely; they either did it for attention, and you're giving them exactly what they want. Or it was unintentional, and a molehill is being mountainised. In either case, some of you may be forgetting what this day is about.

[Katman]

Or it was unintentional, and a molehill is being mountainised.

And unfortunately I can see the media having a field day with it.

[Mike.Gayner]

And giving bikers a bad name especially all the good bastards that ride Harley's !!

Haven't met any of them yet, they must be a mysterious lot.

[Smifffy]

But as I said, at least they were respectful enough to stop.



What their intentions were, we don't know, possibly never will. What they did do, intentionally or not, was to stop and disrespect it, at the key moment.

If I had a dollar for every time I offended/disrespected someone unintentionally, I'd be a wealthy man.

[Bikemad]

Surely; they either did it for attention, and you're giving them exactly what they want. Or it was unintentional, and a molehill is being mountainised. In either case, some of you may be forgetting what this day is about.

aw c'mon........those pencil dick Bikie types ALLWAYS seek attention......not just these guys.......nah i think it was unintentional coz they are dumb ignorant vain tosspots........feel free to snitch Kakman

[Katman]

If I had a dollar for every time I offended/disrespected someone unintentionally, I'd be a wealthy man.

I'm sure we've all been guilty of unintentional offending/disrespecting.

As I've said - I can assure you all that is was not a case of intentional disrespect.

[Smifffy]

I'm sure we've all been guilty of unintentional offending/disrespecting.

As I've said - I can assure you all that is was not a case of intentional disrespect.

Then I guess they will apologise and all will be forgiven, either that or they will be happy to let the disrespect stand and be staunch about it.

Bets?

[Katman]

Then I guess they will apologise and all will be forgiven, either that or they will be happy to let the disrespect stand and be staunch about it.

Bets?

I wonder if the media will even give them the chance to apologise.

[Genie]

The world needs to stop getting caught up in the negative but look at the fact that these men made the effort to get there....most likely hungover after a big night. They went and they paid their respect in their own way. Me, I was sleeping while they were not.
Why do humans always get quick to judge?
So, they roared off during the last post, for some it means something, for them....the sound of their bikes was their respect.
They know that the ground they walk upon is due to those that sacrificed their lives...we all know this.

Give credit where credit is due and focus on your own shortcomings, not those of others. 311020


typed while drunk...FIGJAM!

[Reckless]

I wonder if the media will even give them the chance to apologise.

Unfortunately when you do dumb stuff you have to take it on the chin? Do you think they'll front up ( I do think so actually)?
Given the above I can hear a trumpet playing as I put my helmet on thats for sure.


And unfortunately I can see the media having a field day with it.

The PM will love this superseding Ponytail gate thats for sure!

[unstuck]

Why do humans always get quick to judge?

Because they like having something to cry about, keeps them stuck in their own self importance. :2thumbsup

What a bunch of crybabies.:cry:

[Genie]

Unfortunately when you do dumb stuff you have to take it on the chin? Do you think they'll front up ( I do think so actually)?



The PM will love this superseding Ponytail gate thats for sure!

and who are we to say that what they did was dumb? Who are we to say that they were disrespectful? i wonder if they are sitting having a beer and wondering why they have been judged so harshly? And why, they have made national headlines when that was not their agenda. But, also, who am I to say anything...as in, who are you?

[Gadget1]

It's perfectly relevant Anne.

Like I said, at least they stopped. They could have just roared on through town without stopping if they'd really intended to be disrespectful.



So, you're happy with the fact that the largest Aussie biker gang (1%ers, fuck the world, fuck the police etc) who are moving in over here, would be disrespectful by not stopping?

[Genie]

So, you're happy with the fact that the largest Aussie biker gang (1%ers, fuck the world, fuck the police etc) who are moving in over here, would be disrespectful by not stopping?

You know this to be true? How?

[unstuck]

So, you're happy with the fact that the largest Aussie biker gang (1%ers, fuck the world, fuck the police etc) who are moving in over here, would be disrespectful by not stopping?

Bet the media love people like you.:shifty:

[Mo NZ]

The Rebels Motorcycle Club has apologised for disrupting today's Dawn Service in Waiouru.

A written statement emailed late this afternoon said the club had the "upmost respect for our fallen heroes whom have given their lives for our freedom".

"We were passing through at the time of service; we stopped to pay our respects. Assuming the service was completed, we then continued on our journey. "Unfortunately, we misunderstood, causing disruption, this was not our intention. There are no excuses for the events that occurred; we can ensure you this will not happen again in the future.

"We deeply apologise for this, all hope that this apology is accepted."


Not sure if somebody up the food chain has said hold on there what the fuck do you guys think you are doing. And applied Mr Spin Doctor.

[Mom]

we don't know what deadline they had to meet in Wellington.

Obviously one far more important than stopping for a moment to honour our fallen.




and 20 years ago ... nobody gave a flying fuck about ANZAC day. Why all the PC bullshit now ...


Oh ... I didn't play (and never did) the last post. I WORE THE UNIFORM.

Interesting sentiment there, I worked out today that I have been playing the cornet and playing The Last Post for the past 40 years, give or take a few off here and there. I had an uncle POW in WW2 and Anzac day has always been important to my family. The fact it is growing in popularity is testament to just how much the day, and the reason for it is embraced. No-one said you had to wear the uniform to commemorate those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. I was personally thanked today by Vets from the Korean War, and the Vietnam War.

I actually find your comment that it is PC bullshit to commemorate ANZAC day offensive.

32,000 attendees at the Auckland War Memorial today, probably would agree with me, not you in this instance mate.

[Bikemad]

The Rebels Motorcycle Club has apologised for disrupting today's Dawn Service in Waiouru.

A written statement emailed late this afternoon said the club had the "upmost respect for our fallen heroes whom have given their lives for our freedom".

"We were passing through at the time of service; we stopped to pay our respects. Assuming the service was completed, we then continued on our journey. "Unfortunately, we misunderstood, causing disruption, this was not our intention. There are no excuses for the events that occurred; we can ensure you this will not happen again in the future.

"We deeply apologise for this, all hope that this apology is accepted."


Not sure if somebody up the food chain has said hold on there what the fuck do you guys think you are doing. And applied Mr Spin Doctor.

sounds like Kakmans been on the phone to his pal........

[Katman]

So, you're happy with the fact that the largest Aussie biker gang (1%ers, fuck the world, fuck the police etc) who are moving in over here, would be disrespectful by not stopping?

Go back and read my post again moron.

[Gadget1]

You know this to be true? How?


What do you think 1%er means? They only misbehave 1% of the time maybe?

[Gadget1]

Bet the media love people like you.:shifty:


See the post I replied to Genie.

[Katman]

See the post I replied to Genie.

Yeah, I'm sure he's still laughing about it.

[unstuck]

See the post I replied to Genie.

Why? Anyone who is all worked up and offended by this needs to re examine life, in a serious way. Far too many serious motherfuckers round here. I am sure you all have something a little better to cry over.:eek5:

[Gadget1]

Go back and read my post again moron.


Please explain it without the nasty personal attacks.

[Katman]

Please explain it without the nasty personal attacks.

That's a pretty tough ask.

I could explain it but the nasty personal attack would probably just slip out anyway.

[Gadget1]

That's a pretty tough ask.

I could explain it but the nasty personal attack would probably just slip out anyway.



Yep, from what I've seen on here you make a habit of it.

[Gadget1]

Why? Anyone who is all worked up and offended by this needs to re examine life, in a serious way. Far too many serious motherfuckers round here. I am sure you all have something a little better to cry over.:eek5:


So we can't question anything? Surely a punker can understand that?

[Mike.Gayner]

A written statement emailed late this afternoon said the club had the "upmost respect for our fallen heroes whom have given their lives for our freedom".

"Upmost" isn't a word, morons.

[Gadget1]

The Rebels Motorcycle Club has apologised for disrupting today's Dawn Service in Waiouru.

A written statement emailed late this afternoon said the club had the "upmost respect for our fallen heroes whom have given their lives for our freedom".

"We were passing through at the time of service; we stopped to pay our respects. Assuming the service was completed, we then continued on our journey. "Unfortunately, we misunderstood, causing disruption, this was not our intention. There are no excuses for the events that occurred; we can ensure you this will not happen again in the future.

"We deeply apologise for this, all hope that this apology is accepted."


Not sure if somebody up the food chain has said hold on there what the fuck do you guys think you are doing. And applied Mr Spin Doctor.



Did they apologise about the disruption at Taihape as well?

[Katman]

"Upmost" isn't a word, morons.

See, apologies count for shit with some people.

Perhaps instead of looking for spelling mistakes you could take on board the sincerity of the words.

[Katman]

Did they apologise about the disruption at Taihape as well?

What disruption was that then?

[Bikemad]

"Upmost" isn't a word, morons.

umm........yes it is........used in the wrong context......is that a word?
http://grammarist.com/usage/upmost-utmost/


umm is not a word

[Bikemad]

See, apologies count for shit with some people.

Perhaps instead of looking for spelling mistakes you could take on board the sincerity of my words.

you got ya cobber/client on speed dial?

[unstuck]

So we can't question anything? Surely a punker can understand that?

I question everything, that was not my point. My point is people get too offended too quickly and then we end up with a society like we have got now. If people could stop being all offended and pissed off about shit like this, then the place would be a lot healthier for everyone. Sure you have to notice things you do not like, but when that becomes your point of attraction, you stay there and do not move forward. Personally I prefer to move forward and become unstuck.:Punk::Punk:

[Katman]

you got ya cobber/client on speed dial?

They change their phone numbers that often I don't even try to keep up.

[R650R]

and 20 years ago ... nobody gave a flying fuck about ANZAC day. Why all the PC bullshit now ...



20 years ago plenty if not more people gave a damn about ANZAC day. Our population has increased by 25% since then so of course more people attending plus its easy news for the media.

But back then I remember some twat in a ricer with loud exhaust driving around town on the edge of the dawn service... didn't make the news cause no one had cellphone cams or twitter...
Each one I've been to has always been different, from cenotaph guard in cadets to just attending as member of public.
I find it plausible that these guys made an error, at least they did tender an apology.

What does annoy me is many people using evidence Anzac attendance via pics and social media posts as some kind of personal validation... I wonder if they are going for the right reasons. Too me its just something you do (attend) when you feel the need and remember them at other times too... I was also offended by the number of people taking cellphone pics during the ceremonys too, there are professionals from the media there to record the occasion.

[doc]

Typical KB'r. This is all about knocking Harley's. Like Katman say's . No one has the facts. As FJRider mentioned Anzac day is now the new cool.
How many of those bashing the guy's that offended no one except sentement of the occasion. Want all this freedom of information crap, and are probably on facebook. I support the "Need to Know" and simply keep your opinions to your self. Those who's day it is did. :angry2:Hiding behind a keyboard like most do on here do and not getting and practicing what they preach :yawn:

[Gadget1]

I question everything, that was not my point. My point is people get too offended too quickly and then we end up with a society like we have got now. If people could stop being all offended and pissed off about shit like this, then the place would be a lot healthier for everyone. Sure you have to notice things you do not like, but when that becomes your point of attraction, you stay there and do not move forward. Personally I prefer to move forward and become unstuck.:Punk::Punk:


I'd say one of the reasons why some people got so offended was because Anzac day means a lot to them. Take Mom for example, she played at two services so it's obviously not just a passing interest.

[unstuck]

No one has the facts.

Betya Ed does.:whistle:

[Katman]

What does annoy me is many people using evidence Anzac attendance via pics and social media posts as some kind of personal validation... I wonder if they are going for the right reasons. Too me its just something you do (attend) when you feel the need and remember them at other times too... I was also offended by the number of people taking cellphone pics during the ceremonys too, there are professionals from the media there to record the occasion.

I've been disappointed by the amount of commercial interest that this ANZAC Day has attracted.

People making big profit out of commemorative t-shirts seems wrong to me.

[FJRider]

20 years ago plenty if not more people gave a damn about ANZAC day.

But it never made the (Politically correct) News ...

[Katman]

Take Mom for example, she played at two services so it's obviously not just a passing interest.

I'm surprised it didn't get it's own thread.

[unstuck]

I'd say one of the reasons why some people got so offended was because Anzac day means a lot to them. Take Mom for example, she played at two services so it's obviously not just a passing interest.

People do not seem to have much of a reason at all for getting offended these days if you ask me, I think we must be the most offended generation yet.
But being offended is a choice, and if someone chooses to be offended. then that is their drama, and should not in my opinion be the cause of a mass offending. How many people from this site where there today when these dudes rocked up? If you can get offended by the actions of a group of people who in no way make it personal to you, then you are taking life way too seriously and probably need a big joint and a shag or 2.:innocent:

[unstuck]

I've been disappointed by the amount of commercial interest that this ANZAC Day has attracted.

People making big profit out of commemorative t-shirts seems wrong to me.

Ahhh, but that is just the beginning. Someone somewhere is rubbing their hands together with glee at all the cash that the "remembrances" bring in.

[tri boy]

Unfortunate timing re the Rebels, but I honestly don't think it was intentional.
The vile and putrid nonsense that is being typed by some on here, is a worry.
Especially on such a day as today, Shame on you.

[Katman]

Ahhh, but that is just the beginning. Someone somewhere is rubbing their hands together with glee at all the cash that the "remembrances" bring in.

Well at least they'll have to wait another 100 years for the next one.

[FJRider]

Interesting sentiment there, I worked out today that I have been playing the cornet and playing The Last Post for the past 40 years, give or take a few off here and there. I had an uncle POW in WW2 and Anzac day has always been important to my family. The fact it is growing in popularity is testament to just how much the day, and the reason for it is embraced. No-one said you had to wear the uniform to commemorate those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. I was personally thanked today by Vets from the Korean War, and the Vietnam War.

I actually find your comment that it is PC bullshit to commemorate ANZAC day offensive.

32,000 attendees at the Auckland War Memorial today, probably would agree with me, not you in this instance mate.

I did at no stage state ... to COMMEMORATE the ANZAC day as PC bullshit.


The belief that SOME may believe the ANZAC day parades as having ANY/TOTAL priority over anybody ELSE'S lives ... is of prior importance than any activity OTHERS may choose ... I do find offensive. THEY were the freedoms that were fought for.

How many years of active service will equate to playing the last post ... once (or twice) a year. (At least YOU were not getting shot at ... )

[Robbo]

Having seen the TV news coverage of this I am of the opinion that it is just a media beat up. These guys obviously just stopped to pay their respects as they were passing and then moved on. Sure, you could hear the bikes as they pulled out but I didn't hear any excessive revving that would warrant criticism. Good on them for taking a short time out from their journey.
As for Taihape, they were just passing through and sure you would have been able to hear the bikes, just like you would have been able to hear passing trucks, cars, aircraft and thunder if there had been a storm. No big deal.
They have apparently apologised for any disruption that they have caused and I don't believe they had any intention to cause disruption at all. So lighten up folks and spend the last of ANZAC day remembering our fallen heroes who paid the ultimate price to help give us the freedom we enjoy today.
We shall never forget them.

[FJRider]

Why? Anyone who is all worked up and offended by this needs to re examine life, in a serious way. Far too many serious motherfuckers round here. I am sure you all have something a little better to cry over.:eek5:

Some are easily offended. Not that long ago ... a member believed the Traffic Infringement notice issued to him (10 kms over the limit) made him accused of being a CRIMINAL .... and sought redress (and an apology)


Freedoms were fought for ... and Won. Let those who choose to enjoy them ... enjoy them.


I DO ...

[Erelyes]

It's unfortunate that they left when they did - but as I said, they possibly didn't know how long the service might last and we don't know what deadline they had to meet in Wellington.

Sorry, I know this is outdated since their apology, but were you saying that this might have deliberate because they 'might have been running a bit late'? As a hypothesis that is fucking ridiculous. You should have kept your assumptions to yourself.


See, apologies count for shit with some people.

Not exactly. That should read 'apologies count for shit from some people with some people'. That is, some people are going to treat anyone with a patch as a fuckwit. They don't care which gang it was or what their intentions were. If gang members don't like it they can either A) deal with it, B)


Perhaps instead of looking for spelling mistakes you could take on board the sincerity of the words.

"Assuming the service was completed, we then continued on our journey" one hell of an assumption. To forget about the last post is stretching the realms of carelessness.


Unfortunate timing re the Rebels, but I honestly don't think it was intentional.

If only they weren't deliberately trying to offend people most of the time (patched / open pipes), perhaps they wouldn't have inadvertently offended people this time. 'Goes with the territory' I guess....

[FJRider]

Well at least they'll have to wait another 100 years for the next one.

See ya there ... <_<

[russd7]

Then I guess they will apologise and all will be forgiven, either that or they will be happy to let the disrespect stand and be staunch about it.

Bets?

obviously you didn't actually read the attached article, they already have apologized

[Katman]

As for Taihape, they were just passing through and sure you would have been able to hear the bikes, just like you would have been able to hear passing trucks, cars, aircraft and thunder if there had been a storm. No big deal.


I'm wondering how the same group could attend the Waiouru service and still manage to disrupt the Taihape one.

[Gadget1]

People do not seem to have much of a reason at all for getting offended these days if you ask me, I think we must be the most offended generation yet.
But being offended is a choice, and if someone chooses to be offended. then that is their drama, and should not in my opinion be the cause of a mass offending. How many people from this site where there today when these dudes rocked up? If you can get offended by the actions of a group of people who in no way make it personal to you, then you are taking life way too seriously and probably need a big joint and a shag or 2.:innocent:



True being offended is a choice and some people are more sensitive to situations than others. If though, we didn't get offended, what would happen?

For example, bullying: If I don't like being bullied but don't do anything about it, then it keeps going on.

[russd7]

I'm wondering how the same group could attend the Waiouru service and still manage to disrupt the Taihape one.

simple, not all communities do a dawn service, some do a commemorative service later, some do a dawn service and then later in the day do a commemorative service. pipers that played at our anzac service had already done two before ours and had another two to do after ours.

[Smifffy]

I'm glad they apologised, and quickly. A lot of politicians & 'celebrities' could learn from that.

I'm glad they didn't mean anything by it.

I'm glad they realised that it made them look like dicks, even if unintentionally, and they have made an effort to put it right.

I'm glad that they will know better for next time.

PS yes - if I had taken the bets I mentioned in my earlier post, I would have lost.

[Gadget1]

Typical KB'r. This is all about knocking Harley's. Like Katman say's . No one has the facts. As FJRider mentioned Anzac day is now the new cool.
How many of those bashing the guy's that offended no one except sentement of the occasion. Want all this freedom of information crap, and are probably on facebook. I support the "Need to Know" and simply keep your opinions to your self. Those who's day it is did. :angry2:Hiding behind a keyboard like most do on here do and not getting and practicing what they preach :yawn:


Not true, Smiffy posted about an HD bashing was as correct as blaming guns and pencils for what they can do.

As for the new cool, why do you think Auschwitz is kept as a memorial and Anzac day is celebrated? Maybe so all that utter stupidity and waste doesn't happen again. Do you think we should "sweep it all under the carpet"?

[Smifffy]

obviously you didn't actually read the attached article, they already have apologized

Obviously I wrote that before they did, and it was reported. Obviously you like appearing wise after the fact.

[FJRider]

I'm wondering how the same group could attend the Waiouru service and still manage to disrupt the Taihape one.

Not all events are held at the same time.


Waiouru parades are always earlier than some. (Military .... nothing else to do)

[Murray]

I've been disappointed by the amount of commercial interest that this ANZAC Day has attracted.

People making big profit out of commemorative t-shirts seems wrong to me.

Have you done this yet



Mr Katman I suggest you do a google search IMAGES of flanders field count the white poppies you miserable bastard

From your quote a year ago


I think you'll find that white poppies grow there as well.

I imagine red was simply chosen, in preference to white, as a symbol of the blood that was shed.

I think people are getting too hung up on this issue.

Another year on and your still a sour old cunt.

Stopping to pay respect, they were revving there bikes, twisted way of showing respect!!

[Katman]

PS yes - if I had taken the bets I mentioned in my earlier post, I would have lost.

Fuck it.

I was going to put 10 bucks on it.

[Katman]

Have you done this yet


From your quote a year ago



Another year on and your still a sour old cunt.

Stopping to pay respect, they were revving there bikes, twisted way of showing respect!!

Murray, you should relax.

[unstuck]

True being offended is a choice and some people are more sensitive to situations than others. If though, we didn't get offended, what would happen?

For example, bullying: If I don't like being bullied but don't do anything about it, then it keeps going on.

I chose not to be offended, and had a really good day. My day was not ruined by the actions of others.
You should do something about being bullied, but you could do something that makes you feel hopeful that there is a solution to the bullying, and not hold onto the feeling of hopelessness that so many many do choose to feel in a situation like that.:msn-wink:

[Murray]

Murray, you should relax.

I am - long day just having my last baileys

[PrincessBandit]

A couple of bikes revved up about two thirds of the way through the Manurewa service this morning as they rode off. I must say I wondered why they couldn't have pushed their bikes further away from the venue before firing them up. (They were parked up inside the coned off area).

[madbikeboy]

Yep, from what I've seen on here you make a habit of it.

I'm laying money on KatMan winning this particular battle...

[awa355]

My 2c worth, nothing to do with bikes, or this thread topic.

Moina Michael. November 1918.


We Shall Keep The Faith.

Oh! you who sleep in Flanders Fields,
Sleep sweet - to rise anew!
We caught the torch you threw
And holding high, we keep the Faith
With All who died.
We cherish, too, the poppy red
That grows on fields where valor led;
It seems to signal to the skies
That blood of heroes never dies,
But lends a lustre to the red
Of the flower that blooms above the dead
In Flanders Fields.
And now the Torch and Poppy Red
We wear in honor of our dead.
Fear not that ye have died for naught;
We'll teach the lesson that ye wrought
In Flanders Fields.

[Robbo]

I'm laying money on KatMan winning this particular battle...

.......................................

[husaberg]

.......................................

First one that says cunt, fuck, wanker, or retard loses the auguement:rolleyes:.

[Gadget1]

I chose not to be offended, and had a really good day. My day was not ruined by the actions of others.
You should do something about being bullied, but you could do something that makes you feel hopeful that there is a solution to the bullying, and not hold onto the feeling of hopelessness that so many many do choose to feel in a situation like that.:msn-wink:


It's good to see you had a really good day too.

I'm not sure what you're getting at about the feeling of hopelessness though. Surely if someone's taking action, in some form, it's the start of a solution and therefore the situation isn't hopeless.

[Gadget1]

I'm laying money on KatMan winning this particular battle...



Battle? I just asked him to explain without personal attacks. If he reckons he probably couldn't (paraphrase) then so be it.

[unstuck]

It's good to see you had a really good day too.

I'm not sure what you're getting at about the feeling of hopelessness though. Surely if someone's taking action, in some form, it's the start of a solution and therefore the situation isn't hopeless.

The reason a lot of people get bullied is because they do nothing about it, or are told to do something about it themselves, which leaves them feeling hopeless.
I agree that taking SOME action is the start to a solution though. Even retaliation and revenge are a step up the emotional scale from hopelessness and depression.:innocent:

[FJRider]

... Surely if someone's taking action, in some form, it's the start of a solution and therefore the situation isn't hopeless.

Taking action is not always a solution ... nor is it always the start of a solution.

Take the wrong action and it can be hopeless ... some things just need to be ignored.

Bully's need/want attention. Don't give them any ...

[husaberg]

Taking action is not always a solution ... nor is it always the start of a solution.

Take the wrong action and it can be hopeless ... some things just need to be ignored.

Bully's need/want attention. Don't give them any ...

No bullies want power but granted getting a reaction is actually power in some circumstances....... its about control.
Ignoring might not work, redirection can, so can greying them out.
There is no 100 percent answer.

[unstuck]

There is no 100 percent answer.

I got bullied on the schoolbus by a 7th former almost daily for months, one day I snapped and smashed the fuck out of him and spread his nose all over his face. He never touched me again. 100 percent effective.:devil2:

[Gadget1]

The reason a lot of people get bullied is because they do nothing about it, or are told to do something about it themselves, which leaves them feeling hopeless.
I agree that taking SOME action is the start to a solution though. Even retaliation and revenge are a step up the emotional scale from hopelessness and depression.:innocent:

Gotcha now. I won't ask about the retaliation and revenge.

[unstuck]

Gotcha now. I won't ask about the retaliation and revenge.

Tis all about taking the power back.:msn-wink:

[Gadget1]

No bullies want power but granted getting a reaction is actually power in some circumstances....... its about control.
Ignoring might not work, redirection can, so can greying them out.
There is no 100 percent answer.


From what I've been told and read about, bullies are bullies for a range of reasons. There's also a range of solutions.

[Gadget1]

I got bullied on the schoolbus by a 7th former almost daily for months, one day I snapped and smashed the fuck out of him and spread his nose all over his face. He never touched me again. 100 percent effective.:devil2:


Typical bloody punker... it worked though.

[FJRider]

From what I've been told and read about, bullies are bullies for a range of reasons. There's also a range of solutions.

Solution (1.) Break their fucking nose ...

[Gadget1]

Tis all about taking the power back.:msn-wink:



That's one way of putting it...

[unstuck]

That's one way of putting it...

Self emPOWERment is what I mean.:niceone:

[FJRider]

Self emPOWERment is what I mean.:niceone:

Power behind the punch is what I mean ...

[Smifffy]

Not just Harley riders, not just NZ:

dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/red-faced-ivy-nightclub-forced-to-apologise (http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/red-faced-ivy-nightclub-forced-to-apologise-after-music-mars-anzac-dawn-service/story-fni0cvc9-1227320249909?sv=2385d7ffbc454dfb5d9e1f320b798d0f# load-story-comments)

[husaberg]

I got bullied on the schoolbus by a 7th former almost daily for months, one day I snapped and smashed the fuck out of him and spread his nose all over his face. He never touched me again. 100 percent effective.:devil2:

Is that going to work on a female.........?:bleh:

[FJRider]

Is that going to work on a female.........?:bleh:

It will ... and has. A bully has no gender.

[Gadget1]

Self emPOWERment is what I mean.:niceone:


I'm hearing ya.

[Gadget1]

Not just Harley riders, not just NZ:

dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/red-faced-ivy-nightclub-forced-to-apologise (http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/red-faced-ivy-nightclub-forced-to-apologise-after-music-mars-anzac-dawn-service/story-fni0cvc9-1227320249909?sv=2385d7ffbc454dfb5d9e1f320b798d0f# load-story-comments)



Yeah, but he probably rides a HD or knows someone who has one or saw one today. The bastard!

[husaberg]

From what I've been told and read about, bullies are bullies for a range of reasons. There's also a range of solutions.

Yes but normally they will project their own inadequacies or insecurities on to their chosen target.
Unfortunately the only 100 cent effective solution is removal of the target from the situation.
Other solutions are can and do work such as unstuck's assertive approach.


It will ... and has. A bully has no gender.
I think you will find generally if a man responds to a female who is bullying him by hitting her, most people might side with the female............Sexist but true.
Also if its is a co-worker or your boss it might be fraught to hit them if either male or female.

[Big Dog]

The Last Post takes but a few moments of time and is usually followed by a minutes silence and then maybe 30 seconds of Reveille to allow the flag to be returned to the top of the pole. I really hate this sort of shit. Sure they turned out to the service, but FFS, all they needed to do was wait another 5 mins max and showed a modicum of respect for the men and women that served and lost their lives so these fuck wits can enjoy the freedoms of todays world!

Wankers the lot of them!


* Look at me, look at me moment warning...

Hey and Katman, I played The Last Post twice today, once at the War Memorial Cemetery and once at the Town War Memorial Public Commemoration.

Was it awesome? No sarcasm. I have always wanted to learn the last post.
I did notice watching the Auckland and national ceremonies on TV ( two sick adults and we were still going to go the local but two sick kiddies a step too far) that the soldier playing the last post in one was playing on a trumpet but played it all bugle style. No fingering the keys. The other played with keys.
Much more soulful the bugle way I reckon.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[R650R]

People do not seem to have much of a reason at all for getting offended these days if you ask me, If you can get offended by the actions of a group of people who in no way make it personal to you, then you are taking life way too seriously and probably need a...

Yes.

Ancient Japanese proverb - How can you expect to win a physical battle if you allow your opponent to determine your emotional state for you.

[R650R]

I'm wondering how the same group could attend the Waiouru service and still manage to disrupt the Taihape one.

It's only 20mins away in a B-train at 93.99km/h so a pack of Harleys stropping along at pace on such an easy road would make short work of it...

[cynna]

People do not seem to have much of a reason at all for getting offended these days if you ask me, I think we must be the most offended generation yet.
But being offended is a choice, and if someone chooses to be offended. then that is their drama, and should not in my opinion be the cause of a mass offending. How many people from this site where there today when these dudes rocked up? If you can get offended by the actions of a group of people who in no way make it personal to you, then you are taking life way too seriously and probably need a big joint and a shag or 2.:innocent:


your post reminded me of this - skip to 1.30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geoNqPeDVQE

[mada]

what a beat up by the media, atleast they were there for the right reasons unlike some fuckwit politicians who used the day to spew forth garbage about how we must now sacrifice our troops for another "heroic and just" war at the behest of our "big brothers" :rolleyes:

[unstuck]

your post reminded me of this - skip to 1.30



That guy taking that video is an absolute cock, and he offends me.:baby:

[Wingnut]

He's just american. Standard (dickhead) operating procedures there..

[unstuck]

He's just american. Standard (dickhead) operating procedures there..

Don't you go getting that micmac fucker started again dude.:nono:

[Mom]

... that the soldier playing the last post in one was playing on a trumpet but played it all bugle style. No fingering the keys. The other played with keys.
Much more soulful the bugle way I reckon.

Hey! It is a very humbling thing to be able to do. I have to sort of distance myself from the tune to be able to play it. A trumpet, cornet and bugle all have the same amount of tubing in them. What you saw playing the last post would have been a cornet. It is shorter and rounder in shape than a trumpet which gives it a more mellow sound. I cant think why someone would have needed to use keys to play the last post as all of it is played on the diatonic scale which means all the notes are played on the open instrument and the notes are pitched from your lip. Perhaps he/she was playing one in a different key? Trumpet/cornet/bugle are usually in Bb, but can also be in C, Eb and G.

Too much info?

I love playing this for ANZAC Day, I have also been known to play it at returned Soldiers funerals (now that is really hard). I learned the cornet 40 years ago, and have played off an on over that time. I am not a regular player anymore, so had come from a 2 year break to play this year. Now that life has settled a bit, I am intending to set myself up and start played a lot more.

I love it! Get thee some lessons mate! Have a look around, there will be a Brass Band reasonably close to you. They will most likely teach you for free, and will probably have instruments available for you to learn on. Actually, ask Kittyhawk, she will have her finger on that pulse and will know where the active bands are in Auckland.

[oldrider]

what a beat up by the media, atleast they were there for the right reasons unlike some fuckwit politicians who used the day to spew forth garbage about how we must now sacrifice our troops for another "heroic and just" war at the behest of our "big brothers" :rolleyes:

At the behest of the federal reserve and the shadows beyond - they have never lost out in a war yet - ever! - and never had to participate either - ever! :shifty:

Got too close with WW2 - that's why WW3 is spread out all around the globe - controlled fermented and orchestrated continually as required!

Great money if you can get it with population control thrown in - the world is their oyster! :yes:

[Katman]

Not all events are held at the same time.

Waiouru parades are always earlier than some. (Military .... nothing else to do)

It's only 20mins away in a B-train at 93.99km/h so a pack of Harleys stropping along at pace on such an easy road would make short work of it...

I'm sure all Dawn Services across the country started at 6am - as is tradition.

If this same group disrupted anything in Taihape it could only have been a subordinate feature of the town's commemoration plans.

Some towns possibly didn't give enough thought to their traffic management plan for the day's events.

People still needed to pass through Taihape regardless of what stage the town's commemoration had reached.

[Mo NZ]

I'm sure all Dawn Services across the country started at 6am - as is tradition.

.

At 0600 you say. Tradition?? Na not really.

Not sure how you are sure about that.

Which one did you attend?

[WNJ]

they will all be on electric bikes soon,

Only problem is that there not enough of them around for the nigs to steal :shutup:

[scumdog]

I'm sure all Dawn Services across the country started at 6am - as is tradition.




And I'm even more sure not ALL start at 6am...:bleh:

[Katman]

At 0600 you say. Tradition?? Na not really.

Not sure how you are sure about that.

Which one did you attend?

I've always been under the impression that Dawn Services began at 6am as a commemoration of the fact that the beach landings started at that time. (Don't much care whether I'm wrong on that one).

This link suggests that the Taihape Dawn Service started at 6am though.

http://rsa.org.nz/find-an-anzac-day-service

Just checked - the beach landings actually started quite some time before 6am so it appears I'm wrong regarding the tradition of starting Dawn Services at a particular time. All the ones I've ever attended have been at 6am though.

[Mo NZ]

I've always been under the impression that Dawn Services began at 6am as a commemoration of the fact that the beach landings started at that time. (Don't much care whether I'm wrong on that one).

This link suggests that the Taihape Dawn Service started at 6am though.

http://rsa.org.nz/find-an-anzac-day-service

Just checked - the beach landings actually started quite some time before 6am so it appears I'm wrong regarding the tradition of starting Dawn Services at a particular time. All the ones I've ever attended have been at 6am though.


yes. You were wrong on that. They started landing at about 0420 or so.

Bugger all services started at 6am.

[Katman]

Bugger all services started at 6am.

The majority of Dawn Services appear to have started at 6am (give or take a quarter of an hour).

[ellipsis]

...too many people giving a fuck about other people not giving a fuck...NZ, where it seems it's become a national pastime to be seen to care while really not giving a toss...Mike Gaylord and MadBumBoy obviously have problems where instead of accepting that others are a little different to themselves, have to rationalise their failings by plastering them over other people...

...at the Dawn Service in our town that now starts at 9 am instead of 6am, (to appease the soft cunts who couldn't be arsed to get out of bed early on a cold wet ANZAC Day), I couldn't begin to count the huge numbers of wankfucks on (dare I say it), sprotbikes, howling past on the Akaroa GP...the only patches they had on were the self appointed halo's of, "Listen to me and look at my matching leathers"...I suppose they were cunts too, but no one gave a fuck...we were there for much more important reasons...


....soft cock, moaning cunts with a prevalence of girl's genes seem to be the nationally accepted man of choice these days...fuck off...

[98tls]

:facepalm:Wonder what those that gave all would make of all this fuss over a few motorcycles making a bit of noise.

[Katman]

:facepalm:Wonder what those that gave all would make of all this fuss over a few motorcycles making a bit of noise.

They might have fancied being the ones on the bikes.

[ruaphu]

Fuck all i reckon 98TLS.

The biker boys fucked up tis all eh, and they formally apologised, cool, move on.

As for the media........... Fucktards the lot of em.


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[eelracing]

:facepalm:Wonder what those that gave all would make of all this fuss over a few motorcycles making a bit of noise.

They would have liked to seen their wives mothers fathers loved ones one last time.

As for the cretins on bikes in question, they have no honour nor any concept of it.
They are'nt worth expending any energy on.

[idb]

Unlike me who bought my bike for the power and handling...<_<

And all this time I thought you bought it so that you would have an excuse to wear your tassels and leather chaps.

It's hard finding occasions to wear your wedding clothes again - but it's a shame to keep them tucked away in the closet.

[awayatc]

People must lead sheltered lives to be able to worry so much about so little.......

[PrincessBandit]

Hey! It is a very humbling thing to be able to do. I have to sort of distance myself from the tune to be able to play it. ...I love playing this for ANZAC Day...

Good on you; I think it's a real honour and I have great admiration for those who are able to play it under such emotional circumstances.

[Mom]

Good on you; I think it's a real honour and I have great admiration for those who are able to play it under such emotional circumstances.

I was so, SO nervous this year, 2 years off the pipe and a bit of newly diagnosed asthma had me gasping in the little bit of practice I did. I gave myself 5/10 the first time (a few split pitches, shames), but managed note perfect the second time.

I credit my ability to play The Last Post to the Band Master I learned from all those years ago.

It is an honour Dawn, I feel it, and am so grateful to be able to play it.

I actually feel really humbled every time I play it.

This is actually what I concentrate on when I play.

"Come home! Come home!
The last post is sounding for you to hear.
All good soldiers know very well there is nothing to fear, while they do what is right and forget all the worries they have met in their duties through the year.
A soldier cannot always be great, but he can be a gentleman, and he can be a right good pal,
to his comrades in his squad.
So all you soldiers listen to this;
Deal fair by all and you’ll never be amiss.
Be Brave! Be Just! Be Honest and True Men!"

This is The Last Post for me.

[Katman]

This is The Last Post for me.

I knew we could make this thread all about you.

What was for lunch today Anne?

[MD]

I'm wondering how the same group could attend the Waiouru service and still manage to disrupt the Taihape one.
Ah, you forget they were riding Harleys which explains the time taken to cover the 30km. They roared out of Waiouru after the dawn service, say 6.30am and rode straight to Taihape, arriving there in time to disrupt the 11am service.

And to those saying it 'might have been unintentional' listen again to the repeated full on revving before they moved off. Oh and all the while knowing their stupidly loud exhausts were aimed right at the parade people standing still in silent observance just 2 metres behind their bikes. If these bikies are this unobservant then it amazes me they didn't accidently crash into Mount Ruapehu, not noticing it was there.

Edit- I posted my opinions on here because I enjoyed going to my local dawn service and the 'silence' was touching for the hundreds that were there. You have to feel the moment to realise how a bunch of dicks revving loud bikes would have ruined it. Lots of bikes were parked in attendance at our service. Never heard a sound.

[98tls]

They might have fancied being the ones on the bikes.

Pretty much what i was thinking give or take,its an interesting thread this all things considered though all... inclusive of myself should stop tapping the finger on the keyboard and think how ridiculous and petty it would seem.

[pritch]

I go to the local dawn services most years. Have been to ANZAC observances in Perth, Brisbane and Sydney as well, although I usually give the dawn services there a miss. Interesting to see the variations in style. Some of the Oz dawn services are very early, Sydney was about 4.30AM; by 6.00AM the temporary bars that had been set up in the street were doing a roaring trade, right outside the hotel window.

There was a huge turnout here this year, lots of kids. I'd assume a return to more normal figures next year.

There used to be a motorcycle dealer: Suzuki, Ducati, Husqvarna, in very close proximity to the cenotaph. One year, it being a holiday, the mechanics and apprentices were going for a trail ride or similar and were warming the bikes up on the footpath during the mid-morning civic service. Until a more senior staff member turned up and told them they were being arseholes. Unintentional but... Probably not dissimilar to the Harley dudes?

[Mo NZ]

The stated through a media release they didn't realise it was not finished.

I guess it comes down to if you believe that.

Or it was a small group who deliberately went out of their way to be disrespectful.
Then it was decided to do some damage control and the apology was issued.

I have been to many ANZAC day services and not once was I unsure when the service was ended.

[unstuck]

Yep, here it is again. Other people need to act differently, so that we do not become offended. What a bunch of misguided fools you are.:baby::baby:

[nzspokes]

and 20 years ago ... nobody gave a flying fuck about ANZAC day. Why all the PC bullshit now ...


Because people better understand the sacrifice better these days. This new thing called the internet has helped people understand such times better. Movies have played a part as well. I remember sitting next to a guy in a theater watching Saving Private Ryan. His father had been through the same landing and never spoke of it untill just before he passed away. This guy suddenly got it and was very upset.

People may just be starting to understand.

[tri boy]

I'd like to just add, that even though their are some muppets in all of the bike gangs, there are also some genuine good blokes, and alot of ex servicemen.
I've met a few in my years, and any Aussie or Kiwi who serviced in places like Vietnam, Bosnia, or Indonesian would never disrespect their mates like that.

[Mo NZ]

:facepalm:Wonder what those that gave all would make of all this fuss over a few motorcycles making a bit of noise.

Well, how about you wander down and ask a few of these blokes how they feel about shitheads deliberately being disrespectful asshats.

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[unstuck]

Well, how about you wander down and ask a few of these blokes how they feel about shitheads deliberately being disrespectful asshats.

311165311165

Why, is their opinion more important than someone elses? :facepalm:

Do you work in media by any chance? You should.

[Gadget1]

Yep, here it is again. Other people need to act differently, so that we do not become offended. What a bunch of misguided fools you are.:baby::baby:



It works both ways. People need to act differently so they don't offend as well.

[unstuck]

It works both ways. People need to act differently so they don't offend as well.

Why?:scratch:

[Bikemad]

Yep, here it is again. Other people need to act differently, so that we do not become offended. What a bunch of misguided fools you are.:baby::baby:

what do you think would happen if there was a Rebel funeral being held and someone decided it was a good time to do some donuts in their rotary......would the Rebels be offended ? would they accept an empty belated apology?

[Gadget1]

Why?:scratch:


Why be offensive? Do they enjoy it?

[Grubber]

Why, is their opinion more important than someone elses? :facepalm:

Do you work in media by any chance? You should.

Because they have earned our respect!


Why?:scratch:

It's called respect, read above.
Something of which it seems you have none!:tugger:

[T.W.R]

Why, is their opinion more important than someone elses? :facepalm:.

Maybe because they're genuine tough cunts....not little lost souls hiding behind a bullshit image ;)

[Katman]

I wonder how many people taking great offence from this made a special effort and went to their Dawn Service this year for the first time?

It would appear that for many, the number 100 makes ANZAC Day special for them.

But why is this year any more important than last year's observance - or next year's?

[Mike.Gayner]

Well this thread went full blown retard.

Ever noticed how every thread over a couple of pages long on KB just becomes a circular argument? You could pick any page of this thread at random and compare it to another random page, and everyone is having the same argument, going around in circles.

[Katman]

Well this thread went full blown retard.



You set the scene with the First Post.

[Fatt Max]

Did they wave?

[Laava]

And if they're new to riding, what should they be on?

[Madness]

And if they're new to riding, what should they be on?

Definitely P. Because it keeps you alert, of course.

[Laava]

Holy shit! Is it lesbian time?

[Gadget1]

Did they wave?



During the extensive and thoroughly unbiased media coverage, I never saw any evidence of waving.

[caseye]

If people,didn't hold different opinions, values and ideals, this ol world would be pretty damned boring.
Having said that there are many out there who simply can't help but make noise when everyone around them is asking for quiet as a mark of respect or because they are straining to hear something they consider important.
Katman, you might well know these jokers as good sorts, but I'd wager that a great deal more who live in your neck of the woods think of them as arseholes who intimidate any and all ordinary people they come across simply because they can.
Others here say there are many in the 1% gangs who are ex service men, I'd wager that while there are a few, even they know when to shut up and let the ordinary people see and hear what it is they have gathered for in their many thousands around the country.
Unstuck, your'e both right and wrong, the vast majority have a right to be heard, a right to be seen and to be proud of their forbears when they gather specifically to do so, to have such an important event marred by these particular trolls is not acceptable and the trolls need to know it in no uncertain terms.Otherwise we might as well give them the keys and go back to our hidey holes.
Your'e wrong in excusing these trolls their mistake, they simply need to be made aware of it and to be reminded that if it happens again, they instead of the ordinary people will find themselves on the end of a rather ugly crowd.
Difference is fine, defiance in the face of the many by so few has been heralded as heroic, brave,gallant and country saving.That time and we all know which time, the whole world relied on them.
This time the whole of NZ wants to tear their ears off and beat their sorry arses till they yell uncle.
I believe that for once our news media concentrated on the right things, our thousands of ANZAC pilgrims at Gallipoli, our vets ( the oldest 102) from all theatres and battles leading the marches
The ordinary people from around the world gathering to commemorate a friendship forged in battle and another friendship forged in the aftermath of that battle whereby the ANZAC's are welcomed "home" every year by their once Arch enemy the Turk!
This thread has it's place, but here we all are arguing over a small bunch of trolls, uncaring, uneducated in the ways of NZ's and Australia's ANZAC celebrations, instead of commenting on how our kids and soon their kids are going to continue to March every year into the foreseeable future to remember those friendships forged in fire, to remember that NZ and Australia have a friend in Turkey that will never leave their collective sides and that all three countries will do whatever they can to prevent bloodshed on any scale anywhere in the world because they've all seen it at it's worst.

[Katman]

And those people who are proclaiming this as the greatest display of disrespect in ANZAC Day history seem to be conveniently forgetting the considerable number of Aussies and Kiwis, both here and overseas, who see ANZAC Day as nothing more than an opportunity for drunken revellry.

[Gadget1]

And those people who are proclaiming this as the greatest display of disrespect in ANZAC Day history seem to be conveniently forgetting the considerable number of Aussies and Kiwis, both here and overseas, who see ANZAC Day as nothing more than an opportunity for drunken revellry.



I recall only Andi Brotherston saying "perhaps the greatest display of disrespect..." not the greatest display.


So what if some people see it as an opportunity for drunken revellry? Some always will, but they didn't disrupt an Anzac day service afaik.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well this thread went full blown retard.

Ever noticed how every thread over a couple of pages long on KB just becomes a circular argument? You could pick any page of this thread at random and compare it to another random page, and everyone is having the same argument, going around in circles.

Bit rich coming from you. Did a Harley rider take your Mrs from you or summat? I've been around HD's for a fair time now and experienced my share of haters. But you take the cake!

[Katman]

So what if some people see it as an opportunity for drunken revellry?

Should we be offended by their lack of respect for the solemnity of the occasion?

[Gadget1]

Should we be offended by their lack of respect for the solemnity of the occasion?



I don't know if anyone was or is offended by it. Anzac day is a celebration, commemoration etc after all.

[Katman]

I don't know if anyone was or is offended by it. Anzac day is a celebration, commemoration etc after all.

If you think there is anything positive to be found in hoards of Aussies and Kiwis wandering the streets of London pissing and vomiting everywhere because they get to celebrate ANZAC Day, then there is something very wrong with you.

[scumdog]

If you think there is anything positive to be found in hoards of Aussies and Kiwis wandering the streets of London pissing and vomiting everywhere because they get to celebrate ANZAC Day, then there is something very wrong with you.


Grinch!:p:bleh:

[Gadget1]

If you think there is anything positive to be found in hoards of Aussies and Kiwis wandering the streets of London pissing and vomiting everywhere because they get to celebrate ANZAC Day, then there is something very wrong with you.



Lol, you're putting spin on my words. The only positives I see about hordes of people getting really drunk etc are: They feel good for a short time, the brewers/distillers make money. It doesn't stop people getting drunk though.

Once again my point is, they didn't disrupt an Anzac Day service.

[scumdog]

Well this thread went full blown retard.

Ever noticed how every thread over a couple of pages long on KB just becomes a circular argument? You could pick any page of this thread at random and compare it to another random page, and everyone is having the same argument, going around in circles.


But it hasn't gone to Pointless Drivel yet...:msn-wink:

[Katman]

Once again my point is, they didn't disrupt an Anzac Day service.

You should probably reassess your view on what constitutes disrespect.

[Gadget1]

You should probably reassess your view on what constitutes disrespect.



My understanding of disrespect (being rude, impolite or offensive) is it is directed at someone or something.

The drunken hordes certainly didn't direct their attention to an Anzac day service.

[Katman]

My understanding of disrespect (being rude, impolite or offensive) is it is directed at someone or something.

The drunken hordes certainly didn't direct their attention to an Anzac day service.

So what is more important to you?

The ANZAC day service itself or the reason for the commemoration of the day?

[Gadget1]

So what is more important to you?

The ANZAC day service itself or the reason for the commemoration of the day?



Heh, we're getting into personal philosophy and feelings territory and it's a bit deeper than Anzac day but for now I'll just stick with plain old respect and not offending people like I've posted before.

[Virago]

...Anzac day is a celebration...

A what now? :crazy:

http://www.siunsons.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Party-Celebration-2.jpg

[Gadget1]

A what now? :crazy:





Yep. Here's a link:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commemoration

[Katman]

Heh, we're getting into personal philosophy and feelings territory and it's a bit deeper than Anzac day.

Really?

The reason for commemorating ANZAC day is deeper than ANZAC day?

Are you confused?

[Virago]

Yep. Here's a link:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commemoration

Dictionary definitions do not necessarily imply interchangeability of words. For instance if I referred to you using an old kiwi colloquialism as a rooster, I'm not necessarily calling you a cock.

Personality I wouldn't refer to Anzac Day as a celebration.

[Gadget1]

Really?

The reason for commemorating ANZAC day is deeper than ANZAC day?

Are you confused?




No, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough. My personal philosophy and feelings on the subject are deeper than just Anzac day and the commemorations etc.

I did state I'd go with plain respect or not offending people.

[Gadget1]

Dictionary definitions do not necessarily imply interchangeability of words. For instance if I referred to you using an old kiwi colloquialism as a rooster, I'm not necessarily calling you a cock.

Personality I wouldn't refer to Anzac Day as a celebration.


Not a problem.

[Katman]

No, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough.

You seem to have a habit of making stupid statements and then blaming it on not making yourself clear enough.

Ed has that problem too.

[Gadget1]

You seem to have a habit of making stupid statements and then blaming it on not making yourself clear enough.

Ed has that problem too.



You seem to be living up to the comments I'm getting about you via the reputation system.

[Katman]

You seem to be living up to the comments I'm getting about you via the reputation system.

I'm glad I don't seem to have any trouble making myself clear enough then.

[Gadget1]

I'm glad I don't seem to have any trouble making myself clear enough then.



It's certainly clear why they think of you like they do.

[unstuck]

See, all too easy to get offended. Bet most of the rebels on here sit around at home in the wee small hours getting all offended by talk back radio.:innocent:

[pritch]

And those people who are proclaiming this as the greatest display of disrespect in ANZAC Day history seem to be conveniently forgetting the considerable number of Aussies and Kiwis, both here and overseas, who see ANZAC Day as nothing more than an opportunity for drunken revellry.

I was wondering about this drunken revelry to which you refer. At the last two dawn Parades I attended I have had exactly one beer. Don't even partake of the coffee and rum. The drive home precludes imbibing further. Haven't seen anybody else pissed either.

Haven't been to Llondon on ANZAC Day, so missed out on that particular fun.

[Katman]

I was wondering about this drunken revelry to which you refer. At the last two dawn Parades I attended I have had exactly one beer. Don't even partake of the coffee and rum. The drive home precludes imbibing further. Haven't seen anybody else pissed either.

Haven't been to Llondon on ANZAC Day, so missed out on that particular fun.

I wasn't really suggesting a problem with the actual Dawn Services turning into a session on the piss.

ANZAC Day anywhere overseas where a large number of Aussies and Kiwis reside has an uncanny knack of becoming highly embarassing.

[jasonu]

I wasn't really suggesting a problem with the actual Dawn Services turning into a session on the piss.

ANY Day anywhere overseas where a large number of Aussies and Kiwis reside has an uncanny knack of becoming highly embarassing.

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[Katman]

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Yeah, but it's a little more cringable when it's on a day when we are supposed to be honouring our dead.

[scumdog]

I wasn't really suggesting a problem with the actual Dawn Services turning into a session on the piss.

ANZAC Day anywhere overseas where a large number of Aussies and Kiwis reside has an uncanny knack of becoming highly embarassing.

Sadly you're right, it seems to be de riguer for Kiwis and Aussies to drink too much and behave like dicks when they get together - more so when overseas.

[Katman]

On the other hand, the drunken revelry displayed by most of the drafts en route to the Middle East (in both wars) suggests that it might be tradition after all.

[admenk]

Sadly you're right, it seems to be de riguer for Kiwis and Aussies to drink too much and behave like dicks when they get together - more so when overseas.

Thankfully we Poms never suffer from that problem....:innocent:

[Swoop]

Since there is intimate knowledge of the riders on here... Can someone find out how many of them actually served?

[Mo NZ]

Ah well, I would be really surprised if the individuals involved do it again.

Why you might ask.

I presume the leaders of the group concerned who issued the press statement also had a quiet word to the individuals involved.

[Gadget1]

Since there is intimate knowledge of the riders on here... Can someone find out how many of them actually served?



Katman may know. They're his customers though so probably all of them served.

[Katman]

Katman may know. They're his customers though so probably all of them served.

What the fuck difference does it make if any of them have served in the military?

You fucking moron.

[Gadget1]

What the fuck difference does it make if any of them have served in the military?

You fucking moron.



I think the post by Murray (#91) sums you up well.

Hint, it's the second to last line and starts with "Another..."

[Madness]

You fucking moron.


Murray... well.

Well I f that's not conclusive evidence I'm fucked if I know what is.

[PrincessBandit]

I wonder how many people taking great offence from this made a special effort and went to their Dawn Service this year for the first time?

It would appear that for many, the number 100 makes ANZAC Day special for them.

But why is this year any more important than last year's observance - or next year's?

You could also say that 100 is as good a time as any to start taking an interest in such an important event in our history. Doesn't make it any more important than any others, just a catalyst perhaps.

[Virago]

You could also say that 100 is as good a time as any to start taking an interest in such an important event in our history. Doesn't make it any more important than any others, just a catalyst perhaps.

I'm a latecomer to the Dawn Parades, only starting to go around ten years ago. Even still I don't go every year. I made a point of going this year though. I think the centenary was an important event.

Each year I arrive early and stand still through the service, feeling the early morning cold, feeling the increasingly sore feet and legs - and reflect on how much worse it would have been in the trenches.

A time for reflection, to count my blessings, and to pay tribute to those who sacrificed their lives. A humbling experience.

[Katman]

You could also say that 100 is as good a time as any to start taking an interest in such an important event in our history. Doesn't make it any more important than any others, just a catalyst perhaps.

And I sincerely hope those that attended this year for the first time will continue attending for years to come.

Unfortunately I suspect that for many though, 101 won't have quite the same ring to it that 100 has.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Interesting read I thought.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11438125

[unstuck]

Interesting read I thought.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11438125

Yep, I thought so too.

[TheDemonLord]

I have restrained from commenting thus far but I think this phrase sums up my opinion:

Never attribute to malice, that which can be attributed to stupidity.

[unstuck]

I have restrained from commenting thus far but I think this phrase sums up my opinion:

Never attribute to HAIR, that which can be attributed to stupidity.

Get a haircut, you are disrespecting all those blokes that went to war a hundred years ago.:innocent:

[TheDemonLord]

Get a haircut, you are disrespecting all those blokes that went to war a hundred years ago.:innocent:

Or, I am respecting their sacrifice by exercising and enjoying the freedoms that they so bravely fought and died for :headbang:

[Swoop]

What the fuck difference does it make if any of them have served in the military?
Quite a lot, actually.


Difficult, I know, but can you answer this question?

[Katman]

Quite a lot, actually.


Difficult, I know, but can you answer this question?

I'm not aware of any of them having served in the military.

But as I said, what difference does it make?

[Swoop]

I'm not aware of any of them having served in the military.

But as I said, it makes no difference.
OK, thanks.

If any of them had, they might have been more aware of the protocols involved at such events.

[Katman]

OK, thanks.

If any of them had, they might have been more aware of the protocols involved at such events.

I think it's fairly clear they weren't particularly familiar with the protocols of the occasion.

[pritch]

I'm not aware of any of them having served in the military.

But as I said, what difference does it make?

In an earlier post in this thread somebody made a claim to the effect that a lot of guys in biker clubs had served. Struck me as unlikely that there would be many, with the exception of the Patriots MC of course, or the VVMC in Oz.

[unstuck]

Or, I am respecting their sacrifice by exercising and enjoying the freedoms that they so bravely fought and died for :headbang:

Don't believe everything you read.:msn-wink:

[Gadget1]

I think it's fairly clear they weren't particularly familiar with the protocols of the occasion.



Or they were and knew when to disrupt it.

But who are we to question the mighty Katman?

[Gadget1]

In an earlier post in this thread somebody made a claim to the effect that a lot of guys in biker clubs had served. Struck me as unlikely that there would be many, with the exception of the Patriots MC of course, or the VVMC in Oz.



Actually, a number of biker gangs were started by armed forces veterans.

[Banditbandit]

In an earlier post in this thread somebody made a claim to the effect that a lot of guys in biker clubs had served. Struck me as unlikely that there would be many, with the exception of the Patriots MC of course, or the VVMC in Oz.

It may strike you as unlikely - but is is also true. Quite a few 1%er members have served. F'r, instance, The founder members of the Epitaph Riders in ChCh were Vietnam Vets ... why do you think that coming from the armed forces precludes 1%er membership?

[Katman]

But who are we to question the mighty Katman?

Well at least you've learned something in the 3 weeks you've been a member here.

[Gadget1]

Well at least you've learned something in the 3 weeks you've been a member here.



Lol, your "mightyness" extends far back from what threads I've seen in my "lowly" 3 weeks membership.

I suppose I should be grateful you even respond to my posts.

[pritch]

Actually, a number of biker gangs were started by armed forces veterans.

That is possibly true for the period following WW2, but those guys have to be in their nineties now and more likely to be piloting a Zimmer fame than a Harley.

I know for certain that there are Vietnam veterans who still ride bikes - but most of them are in their seventies now. Getting a bit long in the tooth to be living the 1%er lifestyle.
"Sons of Arthritis"? :whistle:

The Epitaph Riders are a complete mystery to me and I'm relaxed about that. I do, however, remain dubious that ex-service people swell the ranks of 1% groups to any significant extent.

[Big Dog]

Gangs have drifted a long way over the intervening years.
Assuming mass media is to be believed most modern gangs no longer regard service as a prerequisite or even points toward entry.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[mada]

Actually, a number of biker gangs were started by armed forces veterans.

This. The majority of the clubs formed in the 70's would have had someone who served and many in NZ had founding members who were Vietnam vets. Back in those days Vietnam vets did not receive the respect or recognition they deserved by the government and society blaming the war and what happened on the vets rather than the politicians. Many RSA's did not recognise their "veteran" status and did not think of it as deserving enough for membership. So it's a no brainer as to why many were attracted to comradery and brotherhood in clubs. It was only in the last decade did they finally get the apologies they deserved - from Helen Clark, RSA, Defence Force etc.

I very much doubt any veterans at the event would have been so upset by the bikers unintentional fuck up. At least they weren't there taking a million fucking selfies etc. like many modern day ANZAC "fans"

[pritch]

Back in those days Vietnam vets did not receive the respect or recognition they deserved by the government and society blaming the war and what happened on the vets rather than the politicians. Many RSA's did not recognise their "veteran" status and did not think of it as deserving enough for membership.

Undoubtedly there were some instances such as you describe but they were not *that* common. Just recently I saw someone saying that because of the way he was treated he would never set foot in an RSA. For every one of those people though there are hundreds of the others.

Never mind, if you guys keep this up you might create another urban myth.

[Gadget1]

That is possibly true for the period following WW2, but those guys have to be in their nineties now and more likely to be piloting a Zimmer fame than a Harley.

I know for certain that there are Vietnam veterans who still ride bikes - but most of them are in their seventies now. Getting a bit long in the tooth to be living the 1%er lifestyle.
"Sons of Arthritis"? :whistle:

The Epitaph Riders are a complete mystery to me and I'm relaxed about that. I do, however, remain dubious that ex-service people swell the ranks of 1% groups to any significant extent.



Yeah, they're probably long in the tooth alright but at least two US biker gangs/clubs, the Bandidos (1966) and Mongols (1969) were started by Vietnam veterans.

Heh, "Sons of Arthritis". I don't know about actual ex-service membership numbers and don't particularly subscribe to their philosophy but the history is interesting to me and I know sociologist Dr Jarrod Gilbert wrote a book about NZ biker gangs.

[Flip]

I am also surprised with the self righteous, self-important and fatuous attitude of the jap bike riding peasants on this web page. I am ashamed to be associated with many of you!

There was a small but visible presence at our ANZAC parade from the Patriots MCC this year and I for one was pleased to see them there.

Regarding the media viral video it just looked like a few MCC members rode past when the last stand was being sounded. So WTF what! If the people there had the guts to ask them to quieten it down then it would have been different. The riders have every legal right to be there and to hell with anybody who thinks otherwise.

Many of my family went to war to stop people like you, they did a good job but I see that a few got away.

[mada]

Undoubtedly there were some instances such as you describe but they were not *that* common. Just recently I saw someone saying that because of the way he was treated he would never set foot in an RSA. For every one of those people though there are hundreds of the others.

Never mind, if you guys keep this up you might create another urban myth.

Yeh you're right. The number was very little relative to the number of servicemen who went to Vietnam.

[PrincessBandit]

I thought the link from CFWB was a very good article. To be honest I have been starting to get tired of the continual force feeding of all things ANZAC or war-ie coming out of the TV lately. Almost as 'commercial' as Christmas and the Easter Bunny!
How can I not feel appreciation and gratitude when I think of the sacrifice so many have made to keep my right to democracy and freedom alive. Attending the commemorative service on Saturday was something I was glad I could do; hearing the speeches of the young who were honest in their opening lines regarding having no idea what ANZAC day was about until they researched it was refreshing. To then hear them describe what they had learnt gave me hope that perhaps the lessons of history might not fade into oblivion. The sad reality is though that while there is greed in the world (for power, money, control etc.) war will always be with us. History might be doomed to repeat itself over and over but lessons can still be learnt and those who laid down their lives can still be remembered with dignity.

Let's hope that the saturation point doesn't end up back firing.

[willytheekid]

I am also surprised with the self righteous, self-important and fatuous attitude of the jap bike riding peasants on this web page. I am ashamed to be associated with many of you!...

So you act like & post shit just like them?? :confused: (labeling and judging others by what they ride & smeering the majority due to the actions of the few)

...I honestly didn't know you had developed recent mental issue's mate :crazy:...so sorry for your condition...but your fellow KBers are here to help :D

http://global3.memecdn.com/retard-song_o_193993.jpg


...SOooo unlike you Sir :oi-grr: (you usualy post well thought out gold:yes:...not shit!:crazy:, this thread alone is clear proof that we already have excessive amounts of shit on here :oi-grr:)

[husaberg]

I thought the link from CFWB was a very good article. To be honest I have been starting to get tired of the continual force feeding of all things ANZAC or war-ie coming out of the TV lately. Almost as 'commercial' as Christmas and the Easter Bunny!
How can I not feel appreciation and gratitude when I think of the sacrifice so many have made to keep my right to democracy and freedom alive. Attending the commemorative service on Saturday was something I was glad I could do; hearing the speeches of the young who were honest in their opening lines regarding having no idea what ANZAC day was about until they research it was refreshing. To then hear them describe what they had learnt gave me hope that perhaps the lessons of history might not fade into oblivion. The sad reality is though that while there is greed in the world (for power, money, control etc.) was will always be with us. History might be doomed to repeat itself over and over but lessons can still be learnt and those who laid down their lives can still be remembered with dignity.

Let's hope that the saturation point doesn't end up back firing.

A mix of four different Poems from three different eras a few quotes and twisted a little or a bit with a few of my own musings.

Long after the turmoil and the shouting died
Still stands monuments to their sacrifice
A humble and a contrite heart.
The memory of those that have fought
In a needless waste of countless lives
Lest we forget

Take these fallen men for your example.
The Politicians and the Kings do soon depart.
If they become drunk with sight of power, we will loose again.
Consider freedom, is the possession of those who have the courage to defend.
Such words as glory and conquest, is the boastings the gentiles use
Lest we forget

Honour all those that fought for all of us.
It matter not, whether is was right or wrong
Remember they fought out of duty, what they thought was right.
Because those in power could not get along.
If we forget their sacrifice, it was all in vain
In the future try to make only original mistakes
Instead of repeating the same.
Lest we forget

Those fallen will not grow old, as we that are left, grow old
So remember them, Consider that prosperity is only for the free
They will not see the going down of the sun.
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow
The poppies grow when the people see
Thus we must never forget those you fought for us.
As history is a race between education and catastrophe.
Lest we forget

[unstuck]

"Sons of Arthritis"?

Born a rebel, die a rebel. :2thumbsup

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[Banditbandit]

Yeah, they're probably long in the tooth alright but at least two US biker gangs/clubs, the Bandidos (1966) and Mongols (1969) were started by Vietnam veterans.

Heh, "Sons of Arthritis".

began, and remains, a joke ...

http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/server5200/bpkxa/products/61/images/436/10614061_698132793600632_1498902902_n__76455.14089 11693.500.750.jpg?c=2

[Gadget1]

began, and remains, a joke ...




I've seen the website. Hilarious.

[FJRider]

Because they have earned our respect!





So ... why is it only NOW ... we give them any .. ??


Whatever the war they came back from ... they were either ignored or spat on ...




Most never talked about it because simply ... unless you were there ... you would NEVER understand what they went through.

Something ... NO MOVIE could show. Times you believe your life could be measured in seconds ... as you watched your friends die.

[Grubber]

So ... why is it only NOW ... we give them any .. ??


Whatever the war they came back from ... they were either ignored or spat on ...




Most never talked about it because simply ... unless you were there ... you would NEVER understand what they went through.

Something ... NO MOVIE could show. Times you believe your life could be measured in seconds ... as you watched your friends die.

It has never been only now. This has grown from large to larger over the years. I have been to plenty of parades and there has always been good attendance.

Ignored or spat on???
They only war that comes under that category was Vietnam. Mostly due to students who knew no better and certainly wouldn't have gone to war themselves due to lack of balls RSA turned them away for totally different reason

You need to learn more about returning vets. I know first hand it was the atrocities they faced that stopped them talking and not that no one would listen or understand. Bringing it up was too much for them emotionally to be dealing with. My Father served amd trust me I know. How they felt was definitely something no lamen would understand but it wasn't the reason they didn't talk about it. Now days they have people to take care of these things.

To be fair that wasn't a very educated post of yours from where I sit.

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[Swoop]

So ... why is it only NOW ... we give them any .. ??


Whatever the war they came back from ... they were either ignored or spat on ...
I was quite impressed and humbled at the attitude of the Vietnam Vet's. Back in 1987 there was the first parade in Sydney, sort of a belated "welcome home" affair, down George St. It drew large crowds and also managed to get a few of the troops who had just faded away into society or the back of beyond, for their own reasons or attempt at forgetting, perhaps.
The guys I chatted to were getting ready, back in the hotel polishing brass and creasing fabric...
I asked if the landscape had changed enough with the anti-war lot, who were still out there in society, and they simply didn't care. That was their day and nobody was going to deny them that. Welcomed home, they truly were.

[FJRider]

To be fair that wasn't a very educated post of yours from where I sit.



Where I stood when I came home ... there was enough education to post as I have.

[unstuck]

To be fair that wasn't a very educated post of yours from where I sit.

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Would of made it easy for a fuck knuckle like you to understand then.:msn-wink:

[Grubber]

Where I stood when I came home ... there was enough education to post as I have.

That's sounds fair for Vietnam but the broader outlook for WW2 and 1 the reception was quite different going by my views from my Father's return.
Anzac used to be in many small provincial areas in the early days but when many of the old guys retired to town or passed on the parades then grew in the larger towns escalating to the cities. I have always seen good attendence that has progressively grown over the years.
My opinion has been that we should be attending and remembering all serving returned for any war. They have contributed more than we as ordinary men could ever hope to in a life time.

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[awayatc]

Who would I chose to go to war with...,

Johny goody goody 2 shoes, or somebody who could and would rip somebody's head off.....?

Who the fuck we think we are , to believe we earned the right to be so bloody judgemental...?

[FJRider]

They have contributed more than we as ordinary men could ever hope to in a life time.



They that went ... were mostly just ordinary men and women.

[Grubber]

They that went ... were mostly just ordinary men and women.

Can't argue with that to be honest.

[Paul in NZ]

ANZAC Day itself leaves me slightly conflicted. I don’t remember may Dad being all that enamoured with it when he was 100% in charge of his faculties. I didn’t have many conversations about it but I got the impression the whole war thing was something he really would rather forget. Certainly his day job of trying to get disabled vehicles useful again at the front (ie cleaning out a tank that's sat in the desert sun for a few hours with the crew minced etc really etched into him the fun side of war.) and trip back to England overland through Europe and seeing the burn out remains of German cities affected him deeply as did the actions of some of their ‘allies’ in the Balkans.

We got a lot of stories about the fun bits - not so much about the rest. Being ambushed in the middle of the night by the SS in Italy was one such time. These guys are basically armed mechanics and all asleep in the truck - there is a ruckus so they all jump out of said truck and only half of them even think to bring weapons - 20 ft away is a VERY young German with a sub machine gun and he goes braaap... your 2 mates you have just spent a year sleeping in the back of trucks with fall - hes unharmed and the German guys gun jams and he wanders away swearing... Surreal. He said that these SS troops would have been 16 if they were lucky and all they wanted was a truck so they could run away back home to mum and yet his 2 mates died stupidly... Yet there was no time to mourn - the job still had to be done... Hard times and again - I think he felt more guilty he survived than he felt a hero? (just my impression - could be wrong)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not being ungrateful or judgemental – damned if know how I would behave and I’m bloody glad they had the guts to make hard decisions and most of all that they won but generations of painting us as the ‘good guys’ does not always fit with the actions required to actually win the damn thing. I dont think Dad felt like a hero afterwards or much like celebrating and as a result, I have not felt the need to do the dawn parade for a long time now…

ANZAC Day is our de facto national day isn’t it. Waitangi Day should be but it does not resonate anything like ANZAC Day (yet). All this may well be due to mis understandings and unhappiness around the treaty etc. I dunno – maybe I just need to get over myself.

Having said all of that - I know what the last post is and that its special - I stand and pay attention. Same as when people pray - I don't believe myself but I do believe in respecting others