When is capital punishment ever justifiable?

[Akzle]

Perfect match then....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/68545305/blessie-gotingcos-killer-tony-robertson-unmasked

ahuh. i missed the bit where he did something with a firearm/ airgun that requires this picture to be thrown in the stupid-fuckwit-uneducated-indoctrinated-public's face

http://www.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/4/w/8/7/4/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349. 14t5w9.png/1438059112577.jpg

[caseye]

If ever there was a need for execution here it is!
Brick wall, he will stop being a menace and it'll only cost $.10 for the round. Why the need for biger than .22?
Instead of the countless millions he's already cost us and the continuing and ongoing it's going to cost.

[scumdog]

ahuh. i missed the bit where he did something with a firearm/ airgun that requires this picture to be thrown in the stupid-fuckwit-uneducated-indoctrinated-public's face



Regardless, he's still a fuckwitted thug, long may he rot in hell - and the sooner the better...

[Paul in NZ]

Regardless, he's still a fuckwitted thug, long may he rot in hell - and the sooner the better...

In a way I 'almost' feel sorry for him... I doubt he was born that way but it sounds like his mother at lest still cared. However be it nature or nurture the is just no way back from here. Lock the cunt up for the rest of his life? Throw millions at rehabilitation when hes refused everything?? Fucked if I know... I know what I feel though....

[Paul in NZ]

ahuh. i missed the bit where he did something with a firearm/ airgun that requires this picture to be thrown in the stupid-fuckwit-uneducated-indoctrinated-public's face



Just posing for a picture like that should be a crime against common sense... Idiot...

[oldrider]

In a way I 'almost' feel sorry for him... I doubt he was born that way but it sounds like his mother at lest still cared. However be it nature or nurture the is just no way back from here. Lock the cunt up for the rest of his life? Throw millions at rehabilitation when hes refused everything?? Fucked if I know... I know what I feel though....


Just posing for a picture like that should be a crime against common sense... Idiot...

Our public clemency cost that lady her life - I feel sorry for her - and all his other victims! - We - NZ let them down! :yes:

[Akzle]

Regardless, he's still a fuckwitted thug, long may he rot in hell - and the sooner the better...

yes and no regardless.

Morons will see that, think 'gun' and think 'guns r bad' hmkay. Its fucking irrelevant.


But yeah. The cunt can eat a bowl of dicks.

[Akzle]

Just posing for a picture like that should be a crime against common sense... Idiot...

it saddens me that youre allowed to vote. Let alone breathe.

Also, in this day and age, probably no posing required, some cunt would have snapped it on his cellphone.

And what does it actually show? Hm?


Please, enlighten us from your ignorance.

[husaberg]

Our public clemency cost that lady her life - I feel sorry for her - and all his other victims! - We - NZ let them down! :yes:


http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=nz
note This judgment was delivered by Justice Wylie

on 19 February 2014 at 4.00 pm

Pursuant to r 11.5 of the High Court Rules
It is noteworthy that Keane J declined a request by the Crown to sentence Mr Robertson to preventive detention, noting that the Court’s ability to impose an extended supervision order upon his release was a relevant factor in determining whether a non-finite sentence was appropriate

Ms Tolond is a qualified registered psychologist
She detailed Mr Robertson’s pattern of offending and concluded that he displays a tendency to use violence, both instrumentally, and reactively. Having considered Mr Robertson’s criminal history, I agree with that comment. Ms Tolond considered that Mr Robertson’s move to sexual offending increased the risk he poses to the community. Again, I agree with this comment.

She recorded that Mr Robertson does not accept that he sexually offended against the victim, and that he has not accepted any responsibility for his actions. He has manifested no empathy for the victims, and he became agitated when he was questioned in regard to these matters. She noted that Mr Robertson’s lack of remorse, penchant for externalising responsibility, and ongoing sense of entitlement, appear to be part of an enduring personality pattern, whereby he blames and holds others accountable for his behaviour.

Overall, Ms Tolond signalled there is a high risk that Mr Robertson will engage in relevant sexual offending on his release. She considered that his sexual reoffending is likely to place female children who are unknown to him, including those in public places, at risk of abduction, indecent assault, or further sexual offences.

On 6 January 2014, Mr Robertson was convicted for breaching his parole conditions by failing to comply with the house rules imposed by the Prisoners Aid and Rehabilitation Society which was providing him with accommodation.

is also charged that on 16 January 2014, Mr Robertson, despite a previous warning, was in a public park. The Parole Board required as a condition of his release that he should not enter a public park or reserve or other place where children were likely to congregate, unless he was under direct supervision at the time. Mr Robertson has denied this breach.

There is a real and ongoing risk that cannot sensibly be ignored, having regard to the nature and gravity of the likely offending. In my judgment, an extended supervision order should be made.

Mr Robertson was released from custody on 11 December 2013, notwithstanding that the statutory release date was 14 December 2013. The statutory conditions of release, and the conditions imposed by the Parole Board, run from the statutory release date, as opposed to his actual release date. Hence, the conditions imposed run through until 14 June 2014.

I had posted this earlier

[scumdog]

it saddens me that youre allowed to vote. Let alone breathe.

Also, in this day and age, probably no posing required, some cunt would have snapped it on his cellphone.

And what does it actually show? Hm?


Please, enlighten us from your ignorance.

It's just a media lookame pic...who cares...

[seattle smitty]

USA does this all the time by the "employment of constant global war" as a means of controlling world economics and populations!

Just ran across this thread, probably should stay out of it, but . . . .

Keep in mind first that when "the USA" does things, it doesn't necessarily mean that the citizenry approves. When the unelected George Bush, Jr. got us involved in a two-front war after 9/11, a great many of us were against this, despite the (surprising) enthusiasm for it by most of the press opinionators, who were otherwise skeptical about Dubya, and also despite the even more unaccountable failure of the opposition Democratic Party to mount any major opposition to it. Of course, a great majority of Americans are now opposed to any more such idiotic foreign adventure, having seen the Iraq invasion create a hundred new wannabe terrorists for every one killed, including members of ISIS. (FWIW, I am more or less an American conservative, but detest Bush, and didn't care much for Reagan or any of those calling themselves conservatives today; these are not conservatives as I knew them fifty years ago).

As to capital punishment, we (and I) resent being constantly lectured about it; "The Economist" (of London), one of the few decent weekly news magazines left, still manages to annoy me with its frequent suggestions that we become civilized by dropping the death penalty. My attitude is that capital punishment, properly done, should be an unremarkable matter of ordinary societal hygiene. People object that modern DNA testing methods have uncovered "many" cases of "innocents" on death row. My reaction is, first, that many of the "innocents" were still bad acotrs who, while they didn't commit the crime in question, were guilty of many transgressions, some prosecuted, some not; and second that the DNA testing will henceforth mean fewer erroneous convictions.

There are a LOT of problems with our current system of capital punishment, already enumerated by opponents, and they should be fixed. But the concept is not uncivilized. What's uncivilized is a man who rapes a very young girl and then chops off her hands with an axe. Neither life in prison nor death by lethal injection are sufficient for such cases; the man should die in prolonged extreme agony. Hard to write a law to cover that, unfortunately.

[Paul in NZ]

it saddens me that youre allowed to vote. Let alone breathe.

Also, in this day and age, probably no posing required, some cunt would have snapped it on his cellphone.

And what does it actually show? Hm?


Please, enlighten us from your ignorance.


I shall wear this as a badge of honor and consider myself elevated to exalted company - thank you...

Granted the media will post up any old picture they can find to illustrate some kind of point. I think the vast majority of us, despite your low opinion, are rather more capable of filtering the subliminal messaging.

He is holding a shitty old air rifle one handed wearing gloves ffs and dressed like god knows what. Why is he holding it one handed? Better than even chance hes taking a selfie.. (I assume you know what a selfie is - let me know if you don't)... Chances are hes uploaded it himself and there is no way its a random holiday snap. As an image it IS relevant as its a window into how he sees himself...

[Akzle]

Neither life in prison nor death by lethal injection are sufficient for such cases; the man should die in prolonged extreme agony. Hard to write a law to cover that, unfortunately.

errr. No. That is not 'societal hygeine'.
That's "vengeance". And who does that benefit? How does that make society/you, any better than him?

(cos 'awwwww mom, but he started it', right?)

Im all for executing him. While its a heinous crime on his part, 'a bullet is too good for him' is horseshit.
Remove him from the genepool, "humanely" job done, and there'd be no shortage of volunteers.

[Akzle]

I think the vast majority of us, despite your low opinion, are rather more capable of filtering the subliminal messaging.
i disagree.


He is holding a shitty old air rifle one handed wearing gloves ffs and dressed like god knows what. Why is he holding it one handed? Better than even chance hes taking a selfie.. (I assume you know what a selfie is - let me know if you don't)... Chances are hes uploaded it himself and there is no way its a random holiday snap. As an image it IS relevant as its a window into how he sees himself...

fair schtick, had not considered that angle (pun intended).
And yeah, im an anti-fan of selfies, but whether to blame him for feeling the need to put it on the internet... I dont, i blame the selfie culture.

As an 'insight in to how he sees hisself', maybe. Leather gloves are a bit ott, but hell, it could be cold where he is.

Hell, the number of times ive been top to toe in black/camo, belaclava and gloves with (generally shotguns, not air rifles) is many, fortunately noone i hang out with feels the need to update facebook every 5 minutes, or what, i'd also be lined up as a rapist? A wannabe terrorist?

so, wearing warm clothes and holding an air rifle is no indication of anything, really. Even posting that on the internet doesnt elevate it to 'beyond normal' nowadays.

Im not excusing any of his actions, just separating shooters from murdering rapists.

[Akzle]

also, and ima get a bit csi dr phil on this. Firearms crime is generally considered discompassionate, accidental or incidental, anyone can point a gun and kill someone very easily

typically, killing someone with a knife would be considered a 'crime of passion', it involves being closer and getting your hands dirty. Not for the squeamish.

Theyre a different class of murder, if you will.
(in this case i have no doubt hes a socio-psycho-path and there was possibly no passion involved) but guns do not lead to stabbing puppies (or people).

[Paul in NZ]

i disagree.



fair schtick, had not considered that angle (pun intended).
And yeah, im an anti-fan of selfies, but whether to blame him for feeling the need to put it on the internet... I dont, i blame the selfie culture.

As an 'insight in to how he sees hisself', maybe. Leather gloves are a bit ott, but hell, it could be cold where he is.

Hell, the number of times ive been top to toe in black/camo, belaclava and gloves with (generally shotguns, not air rifles) is many, fortunately noone i hang out with feels the need to update facebook every 5 minutes, or what, i'd also be lined up as a rapist? A wannabe terrorist?

so, wearing warm clothes and holding an air rifle is no indication of anything, really. Even posting that on the internet doesnt elevate it to 'beyond normal' nowadays.

Im not excusing any of his actions, just separating shooters from murdering rapists.

I agree - I have indeed been pictured with firearms and with the bloody remains of a successful kill. (ie a blind deaf animal that was most likely depressed and wanting to end it all) Its probably only that the internet wasn't even a glimmer in someone's eye and the photo was not digital that's stopped me being daft. (that and I look like a Ewok with a spud gun)

FWIW the photograph was credited in this morning Dominion Post as being the profile picture from his facebook page. The facebook page was set up after his release and before this offending... Given his background - I think you might agree its a fairly unwise image to present to the world although as he considered himself wrongly convicted it might be exactly who he thought he was - so who knows.

No good new in this

[Akzle]

while im fairly certain he's guilty of everything he's charged with, and probably more, and should be shot, two things come up.

(any accusation against/ failings of the system will get me going)
The dna evidence 'planted' by he cops
and that i've only found one mention of him using drugs as an excuse. Presumably bail conditions would preclude drug use? Presumably also he would push it heavily as an excuse, mental incompetence or incapacity.

Also that, while wearing a gps collar he was 'allegedly' at a park...(he denies) Surely easily verifiable.

Anyway, hopefully now that his names known he'll be thrown in general and may find 'hanging himself' to be the most comfortable course of action.

[Virago]

...People object that modern DNA testing methods have uncovered "many" cases of "innocents" on death row. My reaction is, first, that many of the "innocents" were still bad acotrs who, while they didn't commit the crime in question, were guilty of many transgressions, some prosecuted, some not; and second that the DNA testing will henceforth mean fewer erroneous convictions...

I can't let that one go. "Oops, we've executed or are about to execute someone in error. But he must have done some other vaguely defined things wrong, so that's okay then." I mean, really...?


...There are a LOT of problems with our current system of capital punishment, already enumerated by opponents, and they should be fixed. But the concept is not uncivilized. What's uncivilized is a man who rapes a very young girl and then chops off her hands with an axe. Neither life in prison nor death by lethal injection are sufficient for such cases; the man should die in prolonged extreme agony. Hard to write a law to cover that, unfortunately.

Aah, that puts your views in clear perspective. What you're wanting is vengeance, served up with pure cruelty. Luckily those of us in more civilised societies recognise that two wrongs don't make a right, and realise that the justice system must rise above such animal behaviour.

[seattle smitty]

[QUOTE=Virago;1130886949] . . . " must have done some other vaguely defined things wrong . . ."

I'm not just guessing about this, it has been shown to be the case in more than one study. Most imprisoned felons have commited many crimes that were never prosecuted. These are vermin. I recently had a long talk with a prison guard who is about to retire after having worked in local, state, and federal prisons. I asked him what he thought about the likelihood of rehabilitating any worthwhile percentage of the prisoners he has known and was answered with a derisive snort. I see no reason for taxpayers to feed and house the vermin who prey upon them.

Vengeance? Good!! Let the punishment fit the crime. You can turn your other cheek if you want. Vengeance is mine, saith the atheist (me). If I catch a thief trying to rip me off, I am armed, and have a backhoe. This is not machismo, I really am a peaceable sort; my only attitude is that these individuals have no more value than a mosquito.

I knew I should have stayed out of this.

[Grubber]

[QUOTE=Virago;1130886949] . . . " must have done some other vaguely defined things wrong . . ."

I'm not just guessing about this, it has been shown to be the case in more than one study. Most imprisoned felons have commited many crimes that were never prosecuted. These are vermin. I recently had a long talk with a prison guard who is about to retire after having worked in local, state, and federal prisons. I asked him what he thought about the likelihood of rehabilitating any worthwhile percentage of the prisoners he has known and was answered with a derisive snort. I see no reason for taxpayers to feed and house the vermin who prey upon them.

Vengeance? Good!! Let the punishment fit the crime. You can turn your other cheek if you want. Vengeance is mine, saith the atheist (me). If I catch a thief trying to rip me off, I am armed, and have a backhoe. This is not machismo, I really am a peaceable sort; my only attitude is that these individuals have no more value than a mosquito.

I knew I should have stayed out of this.

Ahhh there you see is the problem. I have highlighted the above piece of script that puts a damper on the whole deal. MOST doesn't mean ALL! What does one do now.

[mashman]

MOST doesn't mean ALL! What does one do now.

http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d417153ef017743d314f0970d-800wi

[RDJ]

[QUOTE=Virago;1130886949] . . . " must have done some other vaguely defined things wrong . . ."

I'm not just guessing about this, it has been shown to be the case in more than one study. Most imprisoned felons have commited many crimes that were never prosecuted. These are vermin. I recently had a long talk with a prison guard who is about to retire after having worked in local, state, and federal prisons. I asked him what he thought about the likelihood of rehabilitating any worthwhile percentage of the prisoners he has known and was answered with a derisive snort. I see no reason for taxpayers to feed and house the vermin who prey upon them.

Vengeance? Good!! Let the punishment fit the crime. You can turn your other cheek if you want. Vengeance is mine, saith the atheist (me). If I catch a thief trying to rip me off, I am armed, and have a backhoe. This is not machismo, I really am a peaceable sort; my only attitude is that these individuals have no more value than a mosquito.

I knew I should have stayed out of this.

We should not stay out of this. Vermin should be exterminated. it's been shown over and over again, that when offending criminal vermin are released, they commit more crimes. Often, they escalate the level of their offending from, for example, burglary to rape and murder. Criminal vermin think rehabilitation is us victims, being suckers. There is no need to buy into their screwed-up philosophy.

[TheDemonLord]

[
We should not stay out of this. Vermin should be exterminated. it's been shown over and over again, that when offending criminal vermin are released, they commit more crimes. Often, they escalate the level of their offending from, for example, burglary to rape and murder. Criminal vermin think rehabilitation is us victims, being suckers. There is no need to buy into their screwed-up philosophy.

Shown where?

In Norway - they have prison systems designed specifically with the goal of rehabilitation - and by all accounts they are miles more effective:

http://www.dropoutprevention.org/engage/incarceration-within-american-and-nordic-prisons/

Further reading:

https://www.google.com/search?q=scandinavian+prison+rehabilitation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

However, There are a very small subset of Criminals, even amongst the Norwegians (Anders Brevic anyone?) who pose such a risk to society and whose guilt is not the subject of courtroom debate, but as close to absolute fact as possible, that I feel should receive the Death Penalty, not for the purposes of Revenge, but simply put - they are too dangerous to be allowed to live.

And should the Death Penalty be administered, it should be quick, efficient, Painless and without causing unnecessary harm - the object of the penalty is not to punish the individual, but to remove the risk that they pose.

[seattle smitty]

Grubber, I like the "trumpydom;" nobody has ever answered me with a drum-roll before, very cool!

Now come on, fellas, I haven't actually advocated wholesale, no-review execution of the entire prison population, and I did say that, however satisfying it would be in certain cases, trying to exact vengeance while making the punishment fit the crime would be way too legally complex to be workable. And I do agree with some that capital punishment, AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED in this country, is not noticeably effective in preventing crime. I differ with you in that I want to see the system reformed, not dropped entirely.

There was a wonderful single-panel cartoon done years ago by a cartoonist who is ordinarily not political, and not right-wing at all. The caption beneath it was, "A liberal about to be turned into a conservative" (I'm guessing you're aware of the modern American usages of the two terms). It shows a normal middle-aged man walking along a city sidewalk, with various stereotypical "liberal" cues the artist put there so you "get it": a beard and somewhat longish hair, beads, a peace symbol on his t-shirt. He is strolling along, carefree and whistling to himself. A few steps ahead, out of his sight but not ours, two street thugs are hiding in a doorway, about to jump him . . .

Funny, but a lousy way to be introduced to the reality of predatory criminals or to have one's attitudes changed. Here's wishing better luck to you guys.
I'll leave the rest of the discussion to y'all.

[TheDemonLord]

Grubber, I like the "trumpydom;" nobody has ever answered me with a drum-roll before, very cool!

Now come on, fellas, I haven't actually advocated wholesale, no-review execution of the entire prison population, and I did say that, however satisfying it would be in certain cases, trying to exact vengeance while making the punishment fit the crime would be way too legally complex to be workable. And I do agree with some that capital punishment, AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED in this country, is not noticeably effective in preventing crime. I differ with you in that I want to see the system reformed, not dropped entirely.

There was a wonderful single-panel cartoon done years ago by a cartoonist who is ordinarily not political, and not right-wing at all. The caption beneath it was, "A liberal about to be turned into a conservative" (I'm guessing you're aware of the modern American usages of the two terms). It shows a normal middle-aged man walking along a city sidewalk, with various stereotypical "liberal" cues the artist put there so you "get it": a beard and somewhat longish hair, beads, a peace symbol on his t-shirt. He is strolling along, carefree and whistling to himself. A few steps ahead, out of his sight but not ours, two street thugs are hiding in a doorway, about to jump him . . .

Funny, but a lousy way to be introduced to the reality of predatory criminals or to have one's attitudes changed. Here's wishing better luck to you guys.
I'll leave the rest of the discussion to y'all.

Go have a look at how the rest of the world (in particular the Nordic countries) approach crime and punishment - maybe you might learn something....

[husaberg]

However, There are a very small subset of Criminals, even amongst the Norwegians (Anders Brevic anyone?) who pose such a risk to society and whose guilt is not the subject of courtroom debate, but as close to absolute fact as possible, that I feel should receive the Death Penalty, not for the purposes of Revenge, but simply put - they are too dangerous to be allowed to live.

And should the Death Penalty be administered, it should be quick, efficient, Painless and without causing unnecessary harm - the object of the penalty is not to punish the individual, but to remove the risk that they pose.

There is the rub, The issue is how these are identified.

[TheDemonLord]

There is the rub, The issue is how these are identified.

Well, for the class of Criminal that I would submit for execution - there is no doubt as to their offending - Multiple instances, backed up by multiple bits of physical (not circumstantial evidence) as opposed to Criminals who committed a one-off act and whose conviction was due more to clever lawyering than sound physical evidence.

[Akzle]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/us/death-penalty-lethal-injection.html?referer=http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=us+delay+execution+cant+get+drugs&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new&gws_rd=cr&ei=l_8mVvzKBtCzoQTZjJ3ADQ


uh oh.

[Big Dog]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/us/death-penalty-lethal-injection.html?referer=http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=us+delay+execution+cant+get+drugs&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new&gws_rd=cr&ei=l_8mVvzKBtCzoQTZjJ3ADQ


uh oh.

Easy to say because I am not on death row, but I personally favour a .22 to the back of the head. Shit if I ever do anything bad enough to deserve it I will pull the trigger myself.

[Daffyd]

It would be appropriate for that bastard in Auckland that beat his partner's kid to death with a piece of 4x2! Maybe even too good for him.

[Shaun Harris]

when ever murder takes place

when ever child fukin takes place

when ever granny rapeing takes place- Are my 3 first desires for it to re instated- Loose the scum forever, and spend there prison money ( Approx $ 70K per year ) on health and education to start with. Also bring back the birch in down town central for the lesser, yet direct theft, abuse etc of scociety

[scumdog]

when ever murder takes place

when ever child fukin takes place

when ever granny rapeing takes place- Are my 3 first desires for it to re instated- Loose the scum forever, and spend there prison money ( Approx $ 70K per year ) on health and education to start with. Also bring back the birch in down town central for the lesser, yet direct theft, abuse etc of scociety

Seems fair enough.
But the appeal courts would be chocka with "I didn't murder nobody" types.

[mashman]

Seems fair enough.
But the appeal courts would be chocka with "I didn't murder nobody" types.

In which case, and to save the courts time and effort etc... desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://cdn.indiewire.com/dims4/INDIEWIRE/9f240b5/2147483647/thumbnail/680x478/quality/75/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fd1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net%2F 0b%2F11b5a0c54911e1a00322000a1d0930%2Ffile%2Fdredd-motion-poster.jpg

[RDJ]

Seems fair enough.
But the appeal courts would be chocka with "I didn't murder nobody" types.

There is certainly an uptick in the ranks of the "Dindo Nuffin" clan in recent years. Even when they are caught in the act.

A society which will stand for anything stands for nothing.

Conviction for the crime of murder in New Zealand often sees murderers back in society within 10 years.

The legislation states that a minimum of 10 years must be served... but many murderers only serve that minimum. And of course murderers under 19 don't even have to serve the 10 years.

Conclusion: We in NZ are not serious about crime and punishment.

[98tls]

We havent been serious about it for decades.Worked this morning and whilst having a cuppa read an article re some fucking asian that had a thing going on facebook or similar re driving drunk people home all good i guess until the piece of shit picks up some young girl so wasted she joes out in the back seat so the monkey whips out her tits starts taking pics then decides to have a go at shagging her,she wakes up and does the runner...cops catch up with him he goes to court and gets fined $1000 and loses the ability to drive his car for 3 months.:laugh::laugh::facepalm: Would imagine the girls father would like to give the judge a smack in the mouth.

[Maha]

Also read a story this morning (Herald lift out thing) about a triple murder (a family) in Devonport during the mid 1800's. The man charged with the murder was sentenced to death and two weeks after the ruling it happened. He was taken from the cells in Auckland and ferried across to Dovenport where a scaffold type structure had been erected on at the site of the murders, he sat on the coffin awaiting his instruction to step up. Once the noose was around his neck his last words were '' can you pull the knot tighter''. :niceone:

[caseye]

We havent been serious about it for decades.Worked this morning and whilst having a cuppa read an article re some fucking asian that had a thing going on facebook or similar re driving drunk people home all good i guess until the piece of shit picks up some young girl so wasted she joes out in the back seat so the monkey whips out her tits starts taking pics then decides to have a go at shagging her,she wakes up and does the runner...cops catch up with him he goes to court and gets fined $1000 and loses the ability to drive his car for 3 months.:laugh::laugh::facepalm: Would imagine the girls father would like to give the judge a smack in the mouth.

Nope, more than a smack in the mouth, more like cut his cock off.
Oh and the asians one too!

[98tls]

Nope, more than a smack in the mouth, more like cut his cock off.
Oh and the asians one too!

Well fucked up eh,thing is whats it make the rest of us i guess...i read it shook my head went back to work then bought it up later in the day on a fucking motorcycle forum:killingme Things are the way they are because as a collective we are fucking lazy and put up with it,bit like watching Hoskings and the fat tart with the cackle....watch it cause i am to lazy to change the channel.:sleep:

[husaberg]

Well fucked up eh,thing is whats it make the rest of us i guess...i read it shook my head went back to work then bought it up later in the day on a fucking motorcycle forum:killingme Things are the way they are because as a collective we are fucking lazy and put up with it,bit like watching Hoskings and the fat tart with the cackle....watch it cause i am to lazy to change the channel.:sleep:

Hosking is a skinny prick and a nong but the "Fat Tart" as you call her.I seen her the other day and said heck shes beefed up a shit load and the mrs said is way heavier than she ever was due to medication from some sort of gall bladder and stomach /intestinal disease.
that's what was in the trashy weeklies

Personally I think Its nice to see someone other than rake thin skinny ass bitches on TV for a change.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/5/v/b/3/x/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349. 15vb0q.png/1443996550748.jpg
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[98tls]

Hosking is a skinny prick and a nong but the "Fat Tart" as you call her.I seen her the other day and said heck shes beefed up a shit load and the mrs said is way heavier than she ever was due to medication from some sort of gall bladder and stomach /intestinal disease.
that's what was in the trashy weeklies

Personally I think Its nice to see someone other than rake thin skinny ass bitches on TV for a change.


316974

Good for you fella and no doubt shes a really nice person.

[husaberg]

Good for you fella and no doubt shes a really nice person.

No idea i'm not sure if her being fatter essentially means gains in personality.:msn-wink:
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Al I know is ever time I used to see this weather girl I used to think FFS eat a pie would you.
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[Macktheknife]

... time and time again the Death Penalty has shown to not be a detterant.

I'm pretty sure that's not possible.
The recidivism rate is the lowest of all other types of punishment. lol

But I agree with you on a couple of your suggestions for categories.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm pretty sure that's not possible.
The recidivism rate is the lowest of all other types of punishment. lol

I laffed about the Recidivism - but by Deterrent - no criminal thinks 'If I commit XYZ crime, I could be put to death', so it doesn't work as a deterrent (generally the people that commit these crimes either don't think of the consequences, or believe that they won't get caught, therefore won't suffer the punishment)

[Akzle]

I laffed about the Recidivism - but by Deterrent - no criminal thinks 'If I commit XYZ crime, I could be put to death', so it doesn't work as a deterrent (generally the people that commit these crimes either don't think of the consequences, or believe that they won't get caught, therefore won't suffer the punishment)

hows crime in the arablands?

[RDJ]

acknowledging the risk of cherry picking research studies to match one's opinion, I have long found this study to be persuasive

Nov. 2, 2007 article "Capital Punishment Works" in the Wall Street Journal:

"...[O]ur recent research shows that each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year... The study examined the relationship between the number of executions and the number of murders in the U.S. for the 26-year period from 1979 to 2004, using data from publicly available FBI sources... There seems to be an obvious negative correlation in that when executions increase, murders decrease, and when executions decrease, murders increase...

In the early 1980s, the return of the death penalty was associated with a drop in the number of murders. In the mid-to-late 1980s, when the number of executions stabilized at about 20 per year, the number of murders increased. Throughout the 1990s, our society increased the number of executions, and the number of murders plummeted. Since 2001, there has been a decline in executions and an increase in murders.

It is possible that this correlated relationship could be mere coincidence, so we did a regression analysis on the 26-year relationship. The association was significant at the .00005 level, which meant the odds against the pattern being simply a random happening are about 18,000 to one. Further analysis revealed that each execution seems to be associated with 71 fewer murders in the year the execution took place...

We know that, for whatever reason, there is a simple but dramatic relationship between the number of executions carried out and a corresponding reduction in the number of murders...”

That said:

1. there is not an insignificant number of people legally executed and later found to be innocent
2. these people are usually convicted on the basis of circumstantial and/or forensic evidence
3. a minority wrongly confess, no doubt due to pressures we never hear about

Also, when we bear in mind the innocent people wrongly executed, we equally should bear in mind the innocent people murdered by a first-time murderer left alive. For example, in the UK, 30 convicted murderers released between 1997 to 2007, killed again.

A dead murderer is also deterred from wreaking more physical violence by being relocated to the astral plane...

Seems to me one way not to get it wrong and kill any innocents would be to reserve the death penalty for incontestable and publicly witnessed killings such as the Boston bombers, the Beltway snipers, the Oklahoma city bomber, home invaders videotaped in the act, and such ilk.

[RDJ]

hows crime in the arablands?

Countries rigidly adhering to Islamic law have extremely high crime rates - but not by their definition; example, the incidence of rape in rigidly Islamic societies is extraordinarily high (and Muslim migrants have now imported that to places like Malmö, Sweden). But when you need four male witnesses to a rape to get any hope of a conviction, and when the victimized woman or girl is often subsequently killed for "honor", you get a very low reported complaint and conviction rate. In some cases, revenge is taken extrajudicially and female relatives of the rapist are in turn raped. this further acts as a deterrent to reporting the crime.

Also in such countries, the law allows guilty murderers to pay a blood price ('diyyah') to the relatives of the dead victim*, in which case the murderer walks free and so you don't see that reflected in statistics either. (for this to work the victim has to be a male believer. if the victim is an infidel or female, often no problem, often no crime was found to have been committed under that code of law.

It is true that so-called minor crimes such as stealing goods are considerably less in incidence because of the drastic physical punishments meted out after being caught thieving. Theft still occurs, but on a considerably greater scale under the guise of religion.

[Banditbandit]

Personally I think Its nice to see someone other than rake thin skinny ass bitches on TV for a change.



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[oldrider]

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From observation your ratio has been thrown out of wack over the last 50 years - more like a clear reversal if TV and MSM are to be believed! :scratch::whistle:

[Banditbandit]

From observation your ratio has been thrown out of wack over the last 50 years - more like a clear reversal if TV and MSM are to be believed! :scratch::whistle:

Did you think that was serious ???

[oldrider]

Did you think that was serious ???

Is anything actually serious these days???? :rolleyes: - If you have the remote control at least you can change channel! :corn:

[husaberg]

[QUOTE=oldrider;1130918434]From observation your ratio has been thrown out of wack over the last 50 years - more like a clear reversal if TV and MSM are to be believed! :scratch::whistle:

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Its unfortunate what we find pleasing to the eye and pleasing to the touch are seldom the same.
I prefer healthy.

[JATZ]

Al I know is ever time I used to see this weather girl I used to think FFS eat a pie would you.
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I think she might prefer a bale of hay :msn-wink: