Tickets=7.3 million; Lives saved=None

[Reckless]

I'm Surprised there's not a thread on this it hit the news couple days ago.

Its the old adage get everyone to contribute a little and you get a lot??

Mike Hosking Rant http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast-with-asb/video/mikes-minute-revenue-raising-or-road-safety/

Basically down to speed camera's I reckon 250,000 tickets issued (there must be another 250,000 that had two cars in or some other reason, I guess?) wow thats huge.
What do they say if the laws an ass ...................

TV1 http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/lower-tolerance-nets-4650-increase-in-speeding-fines-6303942

Police fined holidaymakers millions in traffic fines this summer thanks to the reduced speed tolerance.
Nearly 250,000 drivers were stung over December and January for driving at speeds up to the usual tolerance of 10kmh over the limit.
However, the tolerance had been reduced from ten to four kilometres per hour over the limit.
The nearly 250,000 tickets amounted to more than $7.3m in fines - an increase of about 4650% on the summer of 2009, before police began using the lower tolerance during holiday periods.
During December 2009 and January 2010, police issued only 5200 tickets and collected $157,000 in fines.

4630% increase in revenue, 245,000 more tickets issued

What say you?

[Scuba_Steve]

Welcome to the age of $$$afety, safety be fucked.

[Erelyes]

There is no doubt that hitting something harder does more damage.

There is a lot of doubt as to whether draconian enforcement (and indeed having low limits), actually stop people from hitting things harder than they would otherwise.

http://jalopnik.com/this-is-the-best-takedown-of-the-speed-kills-myth-you-1302382244

[Reckless]

There is no doubt that hitting something harder does more damage.

There is a lot of doubt as to whether draconian enforcement (and indeed having low limits), actually stop people from hitting things harder than they would otherwise.

http://jalopnik.com/this-is-the-best-takedown-of-the-speed-kills-myth-you-1302382244

Interesting Vid I've seen it before but a re watch was good.
Quote, "everybody is speeding, everybody" on that stretch of road.

I think this theory applies to the so called 90k speed zone they patrol like crazy from Bombay to the Tauranga turn off.
Last time I went across it "everybody was speeding, everybody". IMHO if the road toll has gone down on that road, its because everybody is paying now attention.

[Oakie]

You can't say "Lives Saved = None" though as you just don't know if it did prevent an accident that saved a life. It's the same old health and safety dilemma ... you just can't show what didn't happen because you prevented the accident from happening ... and you don't even know you did!

[Reckless]

You can't say "Lives Saved = None" though as you just don't know if it did prevent an accident that saved a life. It's the same old health and safety dilemma ... you just can't show what didn't happen because you prevented the accident from happening ... and you don't even know you did!

I was quoting Hoskings rant which was based on the road Toll statistics he presented.
Christmas road toll this year 17, 6 years ago 13. So given his analogy the effect of the speed campaign is less than "none"
But read into it what you will :)

[Gadget1]

Here's a US report done a while ago but still relevant:http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html

In a nutshell, it states the majority of highway agencies set speed limits below average traffic speeds. This means 1/2 of motorists are in technical violation of speed limit laws.

Ka ching!

[Oakie]

I was quoting Hoskings rant which was based on the road Toll statistics he presented.
Christmas road toll this year 17, 6 years ago 13. So given his analogy the effect of the speed campaign is less than "none"
But read into it what you will :)

Yeah I saw his rant. I prefer journos to report the news, not their own opnions but I guess, 'journalism' is a fairly loose term for that style of program.

[Robbo]

Given those figures there is only one word for it. "Revenue" If they were serious about road safety there are many other areas they should be concentrating on and I think we all know what those are.

[scumdog]

4630% increase in revenue, 245,000 more tickets issued

What say you?

I say the number of dumb-asses that can't drive and watch their speed at the same time has increased by an alarming 4630%!:nya:

[Reckless]

I say the number of dumb-asses that can't drive and watch their speed at the same time has increased by an alarming 4630%!:nya:

You would say that you made them 7.3 million last year :nya:

[Big Dog]

I was quoting Hoskings rant which was based on the road Toll statistics he presented.
Christmas road toll this year 17, 6 years ago 13. So given his analogy the effect of the speed campaign is less than "none"
But read into it what you will :)

Yeah, but the fact Hoskings said it means it's probably wrong.


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[Akzle]

You can't say "Lives Saved = None" though as you just don't know if it did prevent an accident that saved a life. It's the same old health and safety dilemma ... you just can't show what didn't happen because you prevented the accident from happening ... and you don't even know you did!

you're a woman, aren't you?

that's not logic.

lives saved=none. fucking ever. by policy enforcement.

[Doppleganger]

Just proves the traffic police are there to gather revenue.
Also be intersting to know how many road deaths actually involved the police......

[p.dath]

I'm not so interested in the number of extra tickets but the difference it made to the road toll - and I understand that the extra 250,000 tickets had almost no impact on the road toll. So wrong solution for the problem then.

[gjm]

The traffic police perform a function. They are visible, and while they do stop people for speeding, they also stop people for driving too close, recklessly, dangerously, and more. If you really want to upset a traffic cop, be really, really nice to him or her when they stop you. They are people, and giving a fine and demerits to a nice person isn't fun. And who knows - you may even get a warning instead of a penalty.

Speed camera vans exist only to raise money. There is no safety or prevention aspect to their use - does taking your picture at 104km/h and sending you a bill constitute an increase in safety, a reduction in road traffic accidents, a reduction in the death toll caused by drivers? Of course not. It might mean you pay more attention to your speed (and less to the road) next time you're driving, but that's all, and even that is going to happen at least a couple of weeks after the event.

[Big Dog]

I tend to agree gjm. My recent ticket has not changed my riding a jot beyond I now pay more attention to my speed than my safety where I got caught.
9/10 days that means it will make no difference.
The day I got my ticket was one of the 1/10 days I decided to put some distance between me and the trucks behind me that were jostling for position.
They were doing about 95-105 taking up both lanes fore and aft. So I when I saw a gap I took it. When they started tailgating I put some padding in.

Even at $80 of do it again on a heart beat. And I have. The Bombay's are a bloody dangerous place for a bike at 8:00am.
Even at $1000 I'll do it again. Because no ticket is a greater cost than my life.

I wouldn't have it that there were no cops there though. They need to be there and they need to be seen stopping people or the boundaries around what is acceptable speed get further blurred.


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[idb]

At least that means there's an extra $7.3 million to go towards road safety.

[p.dath]

At least that means there's an extra $7.3 million to go towards road safety.

Alas no. Ticketing goes into the general taxation fund. So health and social welfare will consume the big chunks of it.

[Scuba_Steve]

they also stop people for driving too close, recklessly, dangerously, and more.

At least that means there's an extra $7.3 million to go towards road safety.

:killingme:rofl:

[idb]

Alas no. Ticketing goes into the general taxation fund. So health and social welfare will consume the big chunks of it.

Wait...what...?!
Noooo!!!!

[Reckless]

At least that means there's an extra $7.3 million to go towards road safety.

LOL "TUI" They cant even spend the 10 million they have in the MSAC Safety fund, collected in Rego on Safety, and thats "our money".

Its a joke every which way you look :shutup:

[Swoop]

Speed camera vans exist only to raise money.
Recently I doubted this fact.
On the NW motorway, Te Atatu river overbridge, there was a regular taxation specialist parked up there. Disguised as a workman's vehicle, etc, etc.
For some strange reason he was there each morning, same position, while the morning snail-trail of tin-tops crawled past at 3kmh.
He would have caught 0 speeders, but presumably the retards' on high were ordering him to use his braincell and "keep at it!".:no::facepalm::laugh:



LOL "TUI" They cant even spend the 10 million they have in the MSAC Safety fund, collected in Rego on Safety, and thats "our money".
All they need to do is provide some fuel vouchers (say $100- per rego'ed bike) so riders can go and practice being "safe".

Ding! "next problem!".

[Gadget1]

LOL "TUI" They cant even spend the 10 million they have in the MSAC Safety fund, collected in Rego on Safety, and thats "our money".

Its a joke every which way you look :shutup:


Yep, they'd probably be better off just putting that money towards the ACC Ride Forever courses.

[caspernz]

Not against police enforcing road rules, but I often refer to an old standby: "If that's the solution...what the heck was the question?" when faced with odd stuff such as the 4 click tolerance. :devil2::sleep:

[Big Dog]

Not against police enforcing road rules, but I often refer to an old standby: "If that's the solution...what the heck was the question?" when faced with odd stuff such as the 4 click tolerance. :devil2::sleep:

"How can we get 4 million posts on the internet in 30 days advertising our message of speed kills without actually paying an advertising agency?"

[R650R]

You lost me as soon as you said Mike Hoskin.... just another purveyor of populist soundbites....

[FJRider]

You can't say "Lives Saved = None" though as you just don't know if it did prevent an accident that saved a life. It's the same old health and safety dilemma ... you just can't show what didn't happen because you prevented the accident from happening ... and you don't even know you did!

Perhaps ... if nobody broke any speed limits ... no fines would be issued. :shutup:


The Government would THEN have to source the finance .... to fund the current welfare system (and pledges to the Nepal emergengy of one million $$$) ... somewhere else .... :shifty:


Any ideas where that source might be ... ??? :scratch:

[cynna]

You can't say "Lives Saved = None" though as you just don't know if it did prevent an accident that saved a life. It's the same old health and safety dilemma ... you just can't show what didn't happen because you prevented the accident from happening ... and you don't even know you did!

true lets just say the 250000 tickets saved 250000 lifes. we all know if you go 5km over the limit you will die

[gjm]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/13/1394719961143/Vintage-car-being-driven--008.jpg

[caspernz]

"How can we get 4 million posts on the internet in 30 days advertising our message of speed kills without actually paying an advertising agency?"

Thanks, you confirmed my suspicions...nothing to do with actual road safety at all, merely propaganda. Worked really well for Germany in the 1930s....:facepalm:

[Big Dog]

Thanks, you confirmed my suspicions...nothing to do with actual road safety at all, merely propaganda. Worked really well for Germany in the 1930s....:facepalm:

To every question there is an answer. When you know the answer you want you can construct the question.


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