Licence label parking ticket?

[stevensaaron]

Hey guys, a question?? how do you guys have your Registration Licence label attached to your bike??

I'm from Hamilton, Last Friday night (24th April) I went up to Auckland to catch up with a couple friends for a movie.
Parked in the proper Motorbike Parking space, everything was all good, anyway, I get back to my bike at the end of the night,
and find there's a parking ticket (photo attached)
the fine was for $200 and it was for, "Current Licence Label Not Affixed in Prescribed Maneer"
Firstly what the heck is that supposed to mean, I assume that they say you can't see it, but I've attached a photo, and you can plainly see it.
obviously you can't read it right away, but it's not hard to slide it to read it,

But @200 bucks for that, that's stupid.

What are your thoughts?? I'm going to complain and write a letter,
And I ask again, where are yours?? where else am I going to put the label, whoever the Warden was is a #$$%Head

311330311331

[BMWST?]

Hey guys, a question?? how do you guys have your Registration Licence label attached to your bike??

I'm from Hamilton, Last Friday night (24th April) I went up to Auckland to catch up with a couple friends for a movie.
Parked in the proper Motorbike Parking space, everything was all good, anyway, I get back to my bike at the end of the night,
and find there's a parking ticket (photo attached)
the fine was for $200 and it was for, "Current Licence Label Not Affixed in Prescribed Maneer"
Firstly what the heck is that supposed to mean, I assume that they say you can't see it, but I've attached a photo, and you can plainly see it.
obviously you can't read it right away, but it's not hard to slide it to read it,

But @200 bucks for that, that's stupid.

What are your thoughts?? I'm going to complain and write a letter,
And I ask again, where are yours?? where else am I going to put the label, whoever the Warden was is a #$$%Head



my guess is because they cant read the expiry date

[Bruce Lee]

Hey guys, a question?? how do you guys have your Registration Licence label attached to your bike??

I'm from Hamilton, Last Friday night (24th April) I went up to Auckland to catch up with a couple friends for a movie.
Parked in the proper Motorbike Parking space, everything was all good, anyway, I get back to my bike at the end of the night,
and find there's a parking ticket (photo attached)
the fine was for $200 and it was for, "Current Licence Label Not Affixed in Prescribed Maneer"
Firstly what the heck is that supposed to mean, I assume that they say you can't see it, but I've attached a photo, and you can plainly see it.
obviously you can't read it right away, but it's not hard to slide it to read it,

But @200 bucks for that, that's stupid.

What are your thoughts?? I'm going to complain and write a letter,
And I ask again, where are yours?? where else am I going to put the label, whoever the Warden was is a #$$%Head


I think you can get away with it for the WOF but you can't obscure the rego.

[Mike.Gayner]

$200 for that is fucking outrageous, and you should do your best to get off that ticket. What kind of utter fuckwit honestly writes that ticket and feels good about his/her life?

I have a mate who used to work customer service at Council. He reckoned 80%+ of people who appealed tickets like this with a reasonably worded letter were let off.

[BMWST?]

$200 for that is fucking outrageous, and you should do your best to get off that ticket. What kind of utter fuckwit honestly writes that ticket and feels good about his/her life?

I have a mate who used to work customer service at Council. He reckoned 80%+ of people who appealed tickets like this with a reasonably worded letter were let off.
not so.My car rego had expired,i got a ticket.It doesnt matter that you cant actually get away with a couple of months like you were able to in another life,i still got a ticket even tho i sent a letter a copies of relevant docs ,the ticket is for not displaying .
Its their job mate get over it,dont want a ticket dont do the whatevea

[R650R]

My WOF is like that, never been problem, dont park in town much though. Rego always clearly displayed.

[Mike.Gayner]

Its their job mate get over it,dont want a ticket dont do the whatevea

What a fucking stupid attitude, completely ignoring the stupidity and injustice of the idiotic rules. Too many bullshit rule followers and not enough intelligent pragmatists in this world. Obviously you belong in the former category.

[Kickaha]

Too many bullshit rule followers .

Too many cunts who want to ignore whatever rules don't suit them and then whine like a bitch when they get nailed for it

[mossy1200]

Tickets like that encourage people to ride without registration. No point in being taxed twice.

[FJRider]

I think you can get away with it for the WOF but you can't obscure the rego.

Rego is NOT reqired for A WOF. So yes you can. That doesn't help the OP though.

[FJRider]

What a fucking stupid attitude, completely ignoring the stupidity and injustice of the idiotic rules. Too many bullshit rule followers and not enough intelligent pragmatists in this world. Obviously you belong in the former category.

The notice given wasn't for not having current rego. it was for "Failing to display" ... as it always has been. Hide the license label details and you risk a ticket from a council parking Hitler... as has always been the case.

[chasio]

Well worth a polite letter because to me it looks like it is usually clearly visible poking vertically above the license plate... :innocent:

The vibrations from the mighty motor must have caused it to rotate down into a partially obscured location, which would have required the parking officer to be unable to read it without rotating it back again, unfortunately. I am sure you have rectified this unfortunate occurrence and would like to apologize for the inconvenience.

Ask them nicely enough and you'll find they are actually real people and you've a decent chance on that one.

At least it wasn't Popo so no demerits to worry about. :niceone:

[Gremlin]

The law is that it needs to be as close to the rear as practicable (or something close that).

There is no law literally spelling out how it is to be afixed. Both rego and WOF are behind the plate on one bike, and WOF tucked up behind the plate on another, with rego on swingarm. I got a ticket for the WOF tucked behind plate (actual offence for not displaying current WOF). I phoned them complaining about their crappy warden who couldn't take the time to inspect and now I had to waste my time dealing with their inepitude. They told me to write in and I refused, saying it would take even more of my time. Since it wasn't my bike, my boss got on the phone to them as well and let one rip about now their employee was wasting his time dealing with their crap. I agreed to email a pic through, and they wrote back saying they'd decided to cancel in this instance... yada yada no apology.

I'd write/email in. :lol:

[Tazz]

Yeah write in, you'll get off that if you word it well.
There is a law that it has to be CLEARLY visible somewhere though, however that is over the top.


At least it wasn't Popo so no demerits to worry about. :niceone:

I'd say. Some Richmond based Pom did me for being 4 days out. Genuinely didn't know. 4 days! Waste of time and trees.

[Mike.Gayner]

The notice given wasn't for not having current rego. it was for "Failing to display" ... as it always has been. Hide the license label details and you risk a ticket from a council parking Hitler... as has always been the case.

Yes, I understand that. But anyone who thinks it's justice that this guy gets a $200 fine for this because "rules are rules" should be strung up by their testicles in the town centre and flogged.

At the end of the day, this isn't a ticket for not having a rego (because he did), and it's not for not displaying the rego (he did that, too). It's a ticket for not displaying it in a way that's acceptable to Mr Parking Warden. It's a $200 ticket, which is an obscene amount of money for a parking ticket, for an issue that should have been sorted with a polite note or a phone call.

All those rule following cunts out there that think this is OK should jump off a fucking cliff.

[Gadget1]

The vibrations from the mighty motor must have caused it to rotate down into a partially obscured location, which would have required the parking officer to be unable to read it without rotating it back again, unfortunately. I am sure you have rectified this unfortunate occurrence and would like to apologize for the inconvenience.



This, or words to that effect may well do the job.

[T.W.R]

:pinch: 24/11/???? :facepalm:
Just think if the label had been facing the other way :yes: then you'd have an argument

[FJRider]

Yes, I understand that. But anyone who thinks it's justice that this guy gets a $200 fine for this because "rules are rules" should be strung up by their testicles in the town centre and flogged.

Kickaha hit the nail on the head. IGNORE the rules and you may well get nailed in the future. This particular rule has been in force since Adam was a lad, not even a case of ignorance ... mere the stupidity of convenience. So ... got nailed $200 for his (lack of) effort ...

I'm betting the OP changes the positioning of the Liscense Label.


At the end of the day, this isn't a ticket for not having a rego (because he did), and it's not for not displaying the rego (he did that, too).

True ... sort of ... But ... not displayed in the prescrbed manner. (ie: ALL details clearly visible)


It's a ticket for not displaying it in a way that's acceptable to Mr Parking Warden. It's a $200 ticket, which is an obscene amount of money for a parking ticket, for an issue that should have been sorted with a polite note or a phone call.

Most Parking Hitlers do not have ability to check actual rego status ... as they have NO legal requirement to. As the label is required to be clearly visible.


All those rule following cunts out there that think this is OK should jump off a fucking cliff.

Those that DO follow the rules ... are unlikly to recieve a similar ticket.

Which group do you prefer to be in .. ???

[ruaphu]

Hey guys, a question?? how do you guys have your Registration Licence label attached to your bike??

I'm from Hamilton, Last Friday night (24th April) I went up to Auckland to catch up with a couple friends for a movie.
Parked in the proper Motorbike Parking space, everything was all good, anyway, I get back to my bike at the end of the night,
and find there's a parking ticket (photo attached)
the fine was for $200 and it was for, "Current Licence Label Not Affixed in Prescribed Maneer"
Firstly what the heck is that supposed to mean, I assume that they say you can't see it, but I've attached a photo, and you can plainly see it.
obviously you can't read it right away, but it's not hard to slide it to read it,

But @200 bucks for that, that's stupid.

What are your thoughts?? I'm going to complain and write a letter,
And I ask again, where are yours?? where else am I going to put the label, whoever the Warden was is a #$$%Head



Feck hate that eh, bet cha got the chites on seeing that eh. Yeah, been there got the ticket too a few years back.

Basically the rego is obstructed from view therefore unable to read it fully, bingo one ticket issued................. Feckin eh!!!!

Mine is located in a similar manner. Heres what i'd be doing, undo and flip it over so it can be read, take a pic, flick it off to the council saying wtf and they may reconsider (hopefully they don't take pic's though, or ya screwed eh) Don't let on ya flipped it over.

However being its the Auckland SUPER (fucktard) council be prepared for feck all!
Good luck dealing with them Wayne Kerrs mate

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[gjm]

It's supposed to be clearly displayed, so according to the absolute letter of the law there could be a case for a ticket.

That said, any complete and utter fuckwit will know how difficult it can be to suitably attach a rego to a bike. The fact that there clearly was a rego attached suggests just the tiniest bit of investigative effort would be rewarded with clarification. In the UK a 'tax disc' was often carried in a rider's pocket as there was a ready market for current tax discs, regardless of the registration number quoted, and it's hardly difficult to remove a piece of paper from a bike.

Yes - write and (maybe) apologise for an issue you may have caused, but point out that rego was present and displayed. Gloss over the incomplete display aspect... ;-)

Sadly, don't hold your breath on having the charged rescinded. I hope it is.

[EmBe]

Don't want to give you false hope (different cities) but I can say that my partner has got this same license label ticket twice and has had the ticket voided both times after writing to the council and questioning the offence.

check this : http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/licensing.html#label

"You must display this label as close as possible to the bottom of your vehicle's windscreen on the left-hand side (inside the windscreen), or for trailers and motorcycles, on or near your number plate."

[Erelyes]

At the end of the day, this isn't a ticket for not having a rego (because he did), and it's not for not displaying the rego (he did that, too). It's a ticket for not displaying it in a way that's acceptable to Mr Parking Warden. It's a $200 ticket, which is an obscene amount of money for a parking ticket, for an issue that should have been sorted with a polite note or a phone call.

The label wasn't displayed in the prescribed manner i.e. date of expiry visible, learn to read

Got nowt to do with what the Warden thinks, the law says expiry must be visible, their job is = issue tickets for breaches

There's no phone number when you motocheck a vehicle

You're a bloated, flaming, pus-infested miserable excuse for a cunt

[Kickaha]

That said, any complete and utter fuckwit will know how difficult it can be to suitably attach a rego to a bike.

Rubbish, it's piss easy unless you're a totally useless cunt

[NordieBoy]

Mine is on the inside of the tinted front screen. Visible from the front, no issues.

Cops are usually happy if the WoF and REG are visible to a walk around of the vehicle.

[pritch]

whoever the Warden was is a #$$%Head


Well it does seem there may be a #$$%head (whatever that is) involved in this tale, but it's not the warden. If you have not got a current label dsplayed so that it can be read you are risking a ticket. Pay the $200 and put the rego somewhere they can read it. Learn from the experience.

SDs old signature line comes to mind again.

[Ocean1]

I went up to Auckland

An' don't come back, y'hear!

[Big Dog]

Not read whole thread but:
Yeah, their not allowed ( Auckland council wardens) to move the holder or even lift a wiper blade. Wardens have been prosecuted in the past for damaging vehicles.
But, Nah, it is not fair. Writing in may not get you off. Not writing in won't. Worth a crack unless you would lose more than that in wages writing the letter.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[biketimus_prime]

Jeez wtf. Definitely as the others say write in. If I were you I'd show them proof that my registration is up to date, tell them that the registration is visible if you did look harder, you have no other place to mount it.
I've had 2 warnings of that sort saying "registration label not present" or "registration lapsed". $200 is a fucking scam.

[gjm]

Not read whole thread but:
Yeah, their not allowed ( Auckland council wardens) to move the holder or even lift a wiper blade. Wardens have been prosecuted in the past for damaging vehicles.
That'll be because either they are cack-handed morons (possible) or Mr & Mrs Rich got upset about their ticket and wanted retribution (also possible).

And thus we mourn the passing of our good friend, common sense...

[Kickaha]

. $200 is a fucking scam.
It's also fucking easy to avoid unless you're a muppet

[rastuscat]

It's also fucking easy to avoid unless you're a muppet

Amen Kickers

[Madness]

You're a bloated, flaming, pus-infested miserable excuse for a cunt

Nice post :niceone:

[RDJ]

In the practice of my own profession, it's interesting how often when I encounter the jobsworths and rule-obsessed's that they suddenly flip some sort of mental switch and suddenly want exceptions from the norm because it's them and they are such special snowflakes. They are so used to dishing it out, that is a major neuronal shock for them when they are on the receiving end. The classic example is when their illness or injury is triaged as less urgent than that of a person who arrived chronologically later but is in far more dire straits. Despite explanations, the signal-to-noise ratio goes right up, the decibel level can get unsafe. Consistency is not in their playbook. Karma.

And no, it is not straightforward for Joe Average Consumer to avoid the unreasonable application of unreasonable regulations by jobsworths. For example, it cost me a few hundred dollars to switch over a previously approved plate from the right-hand side of my bike to the rear fender, because a policeman standing next to the left side of the bike claimed it could not be seen from that left side... yet a metre back from the rear tyre i.e. in the position he would be in a police car if he was not a pedestrian, you could see it clearly from the back/middle. And the bike had achieved a couple of years worth of WOFs prior as well as compliance when imported.

We all have examples from everyday life on how the puritan application and enforcement of idiotic regulations interferes with people going about their lives, safely, considerately, and reasonably.

[unstuck]

I'm from Hamilton,

You poor bastard, my condolences.

[unstuck]

This particular rule has been in force since Adam was a lad,

Adam was born a full grown man, or has the bible been lying to us for ever?:shifty:

[unstuck]

It's also fucking easy to avoid unless you're a muppet

Ahh, see theres the problem right there. This place has more muppets than Jim Hensons basement.:rolleyes:

[Flip]

Yep you displayed your rego in such a manner the parking orificer could not read it.

What the fuck were you thinking? That you are a special case and the rules do not apply to you? You can change the way it is mounted and lie to the cops, but if the parking nazi has taken a pic your $200 fine could become a conviction for making a false statement to the police.

Take one up the ass for the team and pay your road tax or take the risk, your call. Let us know what you decide we could do with a laugh!

[Latte]

As others have said the warden's won't move the label to check what it is, so can't guarantee your bike is rego'ed. So they will write a ticket (And yes, their "performance" is measured, although no targets are set they are compared to the other wardens and anyone not pulling their weight gets the question, so they will write you up - it's the 2nd largest income stream for the council you know ;) ).

Show them you had current rego, explain it's a valid place to put it as per legislation or vibration moved it or whatever. Be polite, write clearly etc. You'll get a "This time we choose to be lenient" boiler plate letter. They do take pictures that are logged electronically so be honest.

Although I've never been a parking warden I have worked with the dept , and have also needed to write in for the same thing. Once upon a time a bottle of wine would get you off any ticket if you knew the right person...

[jellywrestler]

Yes, I understand that. But anyone who thinks it's justice that this guy gets a $200 fine for this because "rules are rules" should be strung up by their testicles in the town centre and flogged.

At the end of the day, this isn't a ticket for not having a rego (because he did), and it's not for not displaying the rego (he did that, too). It's a ticket for not displaying it in a way that's acceptable to Mr Parking Warden. It's a $200 ticket, which is an obscene amount of money for a parking ticket, for an issue that should have been sorted with a polite note or a phone call.

All those rule following cunts out there that think this is OK should jump off a fucking cliff.

and is the way people with expired rego particularly fix them to try and get away with it...

[Swoop]

What kind of utter fuckwit honestly writes that ticket and feels good about his/her life?
Normally one of the fat spastics who's waistline prevents bending down to properly inspect a rego/WoF label.

Mine is clearly displayed on the back of the numberplate. Fuck knows what year it expired though.

[scumdog]

I'd say. Some Richmond based Pom did me for being 4 days out. Genuinely didn't know. 4 days! Waste of time and trees.

But did you have to pay the fine?

[Tazz]

But did you have to pay the fine?

Hell no, I wrote in, that's why it was a waste of time and trees.

He ran my plate after he caught up to me in Havelock 50k zone and I then pulled in to a car park to put an extra layer on, and he specifically pulled me over for the rego after hiding down a side street around the corner and waiting there 10 mins, obviously hoping to get me speeding as well.

I know this because he said he ran my plates and that he was waiting for me :laugh:

He was like the UK version of MacGyver with 1/4 of the IQ and a badge.

[scumdog]

Hell no, I wrote in, that's why it was a waste of time and trees.

He ran my plate after he caught up to me in Havelock 50k zone and I then pulled in to a car park to put an extra layer on, and he specifically pulled me over for the rego after hiding down a side street around the corner and waiting there 10 mins, obviously hoping to get me speeding as well.

I know this because he said he ran my plates and that he was waiting for me :laugh:

He was like the UK version of MacGyver with 1/4 of the IQ and a badge.

I concur with your judgement of the event.

IF I had bothered to stop you it would have been to say 'sort your rego mate' and that's it.


And even though you got a ticket it was hardly revenue gathering - so how does THAT work???

[RDJ]

Warning, thread hijack.

I'm presently on assignment in Phoenix, Arizona.

Last weekend I rode from Phoenix to Laughlin for the Laughlin River Run, on a most excellent turbocharged '04 Vrod (a Kiwi expatriate - Trask Performance - in Phoenix makes turbo kits for this set-up, and dollar for dollar it was the best modification I ever made, at a special Sturgis price three years ago. But I digress.)

At just about every motorcycle run I have been to in the States over the past 12 years, there is a heavy police presence. Including on the inbound roads. The thing is, they're mostly interested in everybody fitting in and not being excessive and stupid. If you are doing 82 in a 75 mph zone along with everybody else and traffic is moving smoothly and you are in the flow/groove, they don't do anything. If you are going stupidly flat out in the left lane overtaking everything in sight - they pull you over ( I don't know what the penalties are but I suspect they are severe). Likewise in Laughlin itself. If you are there for a good time and having a good time and not interfering with other people having a good time, you simply do not notice the police presence other than as you ride by.

[Tazz]

I concur with your judgement of the event.

IF I had bothered to stop you it would have been to say 'sort your rego mate' and that's it.


And even though you got a ticket it was hardly revenue gathering - so how does THAT work???

And I'd say thanks, call you a good cunt and have it sorted within the next 2 days :cool:

I don't think I ever used those revenue gathering words to be fair. In the case of the OP's ticket I'd use the words 'lazy officious prick'.
We have an ex parking warden working here and she would have never ticketed that.

[FJRider]

... or has the bible been lying to us for ever?:shifty:

As I recall ... Adam was created .. not born of a woman. Not said he was created full grown.

It was when the woman arrived ... his troubles began ... and this tradition has continued through history.

[Kickaha]

And I'd say thanks, call you a good cunt
I wouldn't say thanks but I would call him a cunt :finger:

[scumdog]

I wouldn't say thanks but I would call him a cunt :finger:

Twat!:bleh::laugh:

[BMWGSER]

The Parking Officer used the wrong Offence code for this one , It should be for obscured licence label. On Your Infringement notice there is a web site address You can use ,quote the offence number and rego number and advise the expiry date . I have not been able to find in law where one must display the licence label on a motorcycle, only on the fact sheet.
You should get of this one, if not ask for a hearing and the JPs would throw it out.

[russd7]

Mine is on the inside of the tinted front screen. Visible from the front, no issues.

Cops are usually happy if the WoF and REG are visible to a walk around of the vehicle.

wof on both my bikes are hiden from view and never had a problem with cops as long as i can show them, the older cops know the original reason, back in the day if ya had ya wof easily accessible then it normally got pinched so wofs on bikes normally got stuck under seats and such like, just a habit i never got out of

[NordieBoy]

My reg is usually in my pocket.

[pritch]

My reg is usually in my pocket.

Since the various councils all jumped at the additional revenue they can collect by issuing tickets for expired warrants and rego that could be expensive. Previously I have had bikes with warrant under the seat but in the twentyfirst century, if you take the bike to town without warrant and rego properly displayed, be prepared to pay big bucks.

The council staff are not much into "compliance" either, they are only into collecting the cash. Occasionally it's just easier to move with the times.

[rastuscat]

Here's what the rule says. Just in case anyone actually cares.

Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011

87 Obscured or indistinguishable registration plate or licence
(1)
A person commits an offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by driving or using it on a road if the motor vehicle has affixed to it any registration plate or licence that is in any way obscured, or is rendered or allowed to become not easily distinguishable, whether by night or by day.
(2)
A person commits a stationary vehicle offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by causing or permitting it to be on a road if the motor vehicle has affixed to it any registration plate or licence that is in any way obscured, or is rendered or allowed to become not easily distinguishable, whether by night or by day.

Yawn.

[Banditbandit]

Hey guys, a question?? how do you guys have your Registration Licence label attached to your bike??

I'm from Hamilton, Last Friday night (24th April) I went up to Auckland to catch up with a couple friends for a movie.
Parked in the proper Motorbike Parking space, everything was all good, anyway, I get back to my bike at the end of the night,
and find there's a parking ticket (photo attached)
the fine was for $200 and it was for, "Current Licence Label Not Affixed in Prescribed Maneer"
Firstly what the heck is that supposed to mean, I assume that they say you can't see it, but I've attached a photo, and you can plainly see it.
obviously you can't read it right away, but it's not hard to slide it to read it,

But @200 bucks for that, that's stupid.

What are your thoughts?? I'm going to complain and write a letter,
And I ask again, where are yours?? where else am I going to put the label, whoever the Warden was is a #$$%Head

311330311331

I have my licence label there .. but the other way around - facing away from the plate - so it can ALL be read ... never had an issue ...

[Big Dog]

Or you can go and get a free reg holder from VTNZ and attach it to the bottom or side of the plate or as I do to the bolt that secures your chain guard.
Nice, easy, clear, indisputable.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[caseye]

Hands up anyone who has recently looked twice at the back of their bike and gone . "Ah Fuck" when they've noticed that their securely affixed rego or warrant sticker is no longer there! ???
In the last two years this has happened twice to my wife.
her rego and warrant have both been securely screwed to the number plate. I know, I put them there(and they weren't coming off)
Some arse fucking other bike rider ( who else is going to steal a bike rego/warrant?) has taken along a screw driver on their ride with the express purpose of stealing ( any other word for it?) someones else's rego/warrant.
My WOF's have always been stuck under the seat, never once had a copper give me grief about it, they understood why, they don't now, it's revenue and they can't use their tiny discretionary powers to make an informed decision as to a riders attitude and honesty anymore.
Rego's I've always affixed facing the rear somewhere, but even then, reading the back hasn't always been possible, God help the po po who gives me shit about that.
Easy money is what I truly believe is behind this new, hard callous, calculated means of revenue gathering.
No council should have the right to ticket vehicles for their own benefit, leave it to law enforcement and make damn sure they're human before letting them loose on the general public.:weep:

[FJRider]

Hands up anyone who has recently looked twice at the back of their bike and gone . "Ah Fuck" when they've noticed ...

Both my Rego label holder and WOF holder has been attached (securely) to the bottom of the registration plate ... since I purchased it. (2004)


I do not live in "Dorkland" ... so perhaps I do not have the same "Local issues" as you do.

Thus your problem ... not mine.



The OP did not have a MISSING label ... just not affixed in the prescribed and approved fasion.

[Ocean1]

Since the various councils all jumped at the additional revenue they can collect by issuing tickets for expired warrants and rego that could be expensive. Previously I have had bikes with warrant under the seat but in the twentyfirst century, if you take the bike to town without warrant and rego properly displayed, be prepared to pay big bucks.

The council staff are not much into "compliance" either, they are only into collecting the cash. Occasionally it's just easier to move with the times.

Or just not go into town. Most other service industries find fleecing their clients is hugely unprofitable, we shouldn't let the fact that they're a monopoly deprive city councils of the same opportunity to experience the real world.

Fuck'em.

[FJRider]

... Occasionally it's just easier to move with the times.

Not to mention ... CHEAPER ... :pinch:

[FJRider]

My reg is usually in my pocket.

Does Nelson HAVE parking wardens ... and do you park in town .. in council controlled car (??) parks ..???

[awa355]

Here's what the rule says. Just in case anyone actually cares.

Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011

87 Obscured or indistinguishable registration plate or licence
(1)
A person commits an offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by driving or using it on a road if the motor vehicle has affixed to it any registration plate or licence that is in any way obscured, or is rendered or allowed to become not easily distinguishable, whether by night or by day.
(2)
A person commits a stationary vehicle offence if the person operates a motor vehicle by causing or permitting it to be on a road if the motor vehicle has affixed to it any registration plate or licence that is in any way obscured, or is rendered or allowed to become not easily distinguishable, whether by night or by day.

Yawn.

I wonder how my wof holder would fare? It is at the left rear of the licence plate, in line with the drive chain. Saw it today and it was coated in chain oil throwoff and road grime. It was impossible to read, I had not noticed it before. Will be cleaning it off tomorrow,(and changing my chain lube) but I suppose that it would have the same legal requirements to be read as the re licence label.

[rastuscat]

I wonder how my wof holder would fare? It is at the left rear of the licence plate, in line with the drive chain. Saw it today and it was coated in chain oil throwoff and road grime. It was impossible to read, I had not noticed it before. Will be cleaning it off tomorrow,(and changing my chain lube) but I suppose that it would have the same legal requirements to be read as the re licence label.

I'll dig the rule for the WoF out when I'm back at work Friday.

Sitting my I endorsement theory and practical tomorrow. Nervous, for no reason.

[Erelyes]

Or just not go into town. Most other service industries find fleecing their clients is hugely unprofitable, we shouldn't let the fact that they're a monopoly deprive city councils of the same opportunity to experience the real world.

Service industry, hmm. Tell me - Exactly what 'service' are you receiving when you incur a parking ticket for having your licence label out?

Next time I get a parking ticket I must remember to ask for my foot massage.

Oh, and councils are not a monopoly. Police can issue parking tickets too. So perhaps duopoly is a better term.

But let's not let too many facts get in the way.

[Ocean1]

Service industry, hmm. Tell me - Exactly what 'service' are you receiving when you incur a parking ticket for having your licence label out?

My point exactly. Their brief is supposedly managing city infrastructure on behalf of those that pay for them, their "clients", (ratepayers).

How is penalising them for making use of those facilities part of that brief?

[Erelyes]

How is penalising them for making use of those facilities part of that brief?

It's got nothing to do with penalising them for using facilities. It's not a $200 fine because they shat in the pool.

[Big Dog]

Only time in 23 years mine have gone missing has been when they vibrated off the DR, and that would be the whole plate less the torn off bits still bolted on. Rubber washers to use as a Cush fixed that.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Ocean1]

It's got nothing to do with penalising them for using facilities. It's not a $200 fine because they shat in the pool.

Obviously. So what business do they have penalising their clients?

I's not as if traffic enforcement is any of their business, or that it serves their customers in any way, shape or form.

[pritch]

A few decades ago for a brief time I was employed by the local council. They didn't seem to have anything as formal as a code of conduct then, but there was a rule that no staff were to place themselves in an adversarial position with ratepayers. That went out the door as soon as there was a buck in it.

[PrincessBandit]

Hands up anyone who has recently looked twice at the back of their bike and gone . "Ah Fuck" when they've noticed that their securely affixed rego or warrant sticker is no longer there! ???
In the last two years this has happened twice to my wife.....
:

Haha, funny you should say that - I was going to say the exact same thing, except it's only happened to me once.
Twas on one of our SI jaunts; went to do a check round my bike and it's like "uh, hello, where has my wof and rego gone..." Mine are affixed the same way (in the plastic sleeve thingy screwed in behind my rego plate). Thankfully I wasn't pulled over (never have been on my bike :innocent: ) so don't know whether my most endearing smile would have worked...

[Erelyes]

I's not as if traffic enforcement is any of their business, or that it serves their customers in any way, shape or form.

For better or worse Central Govt has made it their business.

And in the case of licence label tickets, perhaps you're right that it doesn't serve their customers. However in the case of peoeple parking on footpaths, double parking, in the middle of intersections, or in a P5 for the whole day, it is serving their customers. Perhaps not the one they're ticketing, but others.

So it ends up being the case that 'they may as well' issue licence label tickets since they're ticketing vehicles for other things anyway.

[FJRider]

The Parking Officer used the wrong Offence code for this one , It should be for obscured licence label. On Your Infringement notice there is a web site address You can use ,quote the offence number and rego number and advise the expiry date . I have not been able to find in law where one must display the licence label on a motorcycle, only on the fact sheet.
You should get of this one, if not ask for a hearing and the JPs would throw it out.

You are wrong. The infringement notice was issued under Auckland transport rules and regulations. He/She was NOT a Police officer.

The notice was issued under the following regulation.


: Person operated a motor vehicle on a road when the current licence issued to the vehicle and appropriate for its use was not affixed to it in the manner prescribed.

: Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration & Licensing) Regulations 2011: Regulation 77(2)(b)(ii).

: $200 - Schedule 6 Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration & Licensing) Regulations 2011.


Check out the other things you can be issued an infringement notice for ...

https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/parking-in-auckland/parking-rules/parking-and-road-rules/types-of-infringements/


I bet a few should be issued with this .. (my favourite)

Inconsiderate parking.


: Person stopped, stood or parked a vehicle without reasonable consideration for other road users.

: Section 40 Land Transport Act 1998 and Rule 6.1 Road User Rule 2004.

: $60 – Rule 4 and Schedule 1 Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999.

[Ocean1]

A few decades ago for a brief time I was employed by the local council. They didn't seem to have anything as formal as a code of conduct then, but there was a rule that no staff were to place themselves in an adversarial position with ratepayers. That went out the door as soon as there was a buck in it.

If there's a single test to verify an entities monopoly status it's the simple question: Would you willingly pay the asking price for their services if there was an alternative?

No? Then you don't have a client / vendor relationship, what you've got is a protection racket.

The fact that councils can get away with such a blatant abuse of their customer base with apparent impunity just reinforces the fact.

[Yow Ling]

In chch there have been over 11000 warnings for no rego or warrant, if they over 2 weeks expired you get a ticket, can always write in and beg forgiveness.

Quite decent really

[FJRider]

... Oh, and councils are not a monopoly. Police can issue parking tickets too. So perhaps duopoly is a better term.

But let's not let too many facts get in the way.

Unless a complaint is made (for DANGEROUS PARKING)... parking tickets are a low police priority.


I'd much rather see them chasing burglers, rapists, and Motorcycle thieves ... (not always in that order of priority)

[eldog]

I'd much rather see them chasing burglers, rapists, and Motorcycle thieves ... (not always in that order of priority)

should we move this to the death penalty thread?

been burgled 3 times, i am over being lenient

3 strikes and your gone burger

[FJRider]

I'll dig the rule for the WoF out when I'm back at work Friday.

Sitting my I endorsement theory and practical tomorrow. Nervous, for no reason.

From memory ... :innocent:

: Person operated a private vehicle on a road when the vehicle was not displaying current evidence of vehicle inspection.
: s.34(1)(b) Land Transport Act 1998.
: $200 – Schedule 1 Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999.

[FJRider]

should we move this to the death penalty thread?

been burgled 3 times, i am over being lenient

3 strikes and your gone burger

1: You are a licensed firearms owner.

2: A burgler enters your house.

3: You fire a warning shot out the window (Don't ruin a good ceiling)

4: Burgler ignores you.

5: Concerned for the safetey of your family ... You fire a shot through his head.


If actual order of 3: and 5: cannot be proved ... :cool:

[rastuscat]

From memory ... :innocent:

: Person operated a private vehicle on a road when the vehicle was not displaying current evidence of vehicle inspection.
: s.34(1)(b) Land Transport Act 1998.
: $200 – Schedule 1 Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999.

I was going to chase it today but the can't be arsed fairy waved her wand at me.

Here's, however, what I managed to find while surfing at home.

Land Transport Rule: Vehicle Standards Compliance 2002


9.3(4) A warrant of fitness, certificate of fitness and alternative fuel inspection certificate must be affixed:
(a) if a vehicle has a windscreen, to the inside of the windscreen facing outwards, on the same side as the steering
wheel;
(b) for a trailer, on the back of the vehicle near the registration plate, or on the right-hand side of the vehicle at the rear,
or, if this is impracticable, in a position where it can be readily seen;
(c) for any other vehicle, in a position where it can be readily seen.

This suggests that a WoF for a motorcycle has to be displayed where it can be readily seen, but without specifying exactly where.

So display it where it's clearly visible, and they can't write the ticket.

Unlike a licence label, where the rule says both that it must be displayed, and sets out how it must be displayed.

Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2011


16 Display of licences
(1)
The licence for a motor vehicle must be displayed as set out in this regulation.
(2)
In the case of a motorcycle, moped, or trailer, the licence must be affixed to the motorcycle, moped, or trailer immediately below or as close as practicable to the registration plate.


Citizens, if I can find this stuff online, sitting at home on my home computer using my own limited interwebness, surely anyone can.

For heavens sake, if you have a question of law, how about you go and actually read it.

[Daffyd]

1: You are a licensed firearms owner.

2: A burglar enters your house.

3: You fire a warning shot out the window (Don't ruin a good ceiling)

4: Burglar ignores you.

5: Concerned for the safety of your family ... You fire a shot through his head.


If actual order of 3: and 5: cannot be proved ... :cool:


Over here you don't even need to fire a warning shot. Someone uninvited comes on to your property, you can blow their head off, (if you're a licensed gun owner.) Unfortunately, being a foreigner, I'm not allowed to own a gun so I have amassed a growing collection of "classic" swords and daggers.

[Owl]

3 strikes and your gone burgler

There, fixed that for you.:msn-wink:

[eldog]

1: You are a licensed firearms owner.

2: A burgler enters your house.

3: You fire a warning shot out the window (Don't ruin a good ceiling)

4: Burgler ignores you.

5: Concerned for the safetey of your family ... You fire a shot through his head.


If actual order of 3: and 5: cannot be proved ... :cool:

One problem, I am usually working long hours to pay for the benefits others get (often the burglers-free board, food, rest, 'in house training from other inmates on how to expand their capabilities and what to avoid next time' all paid.)
Yeah some get rehabilitated. but I guess most reoffend

But I consider lots of NZ communities have nothing to offer 'work or otherwise' Drove through Casltecliff in Wanganui the other month - bloody depressing. People nothing to do.

Rant over back to work.


OWL - nice 'fix':killingme

[Big Dog]

Over here you don't even need to fire a warning shot. Someone uninvited comes on to your property, you can blow their head off, (if you're a licensed gun owner.) Unfortunately, being a foreigner, I'm not allowed to own a gun so I have amassed a growing collection of "classic" swords and daggers.

That is awfully civilised and sporting making sure you have enough for them also?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[GrayWolf]

Unless a complaint is made (for DANGEROUS PARKING)... parking tickets are a low police priority.


I'd much rather see them chasing Motorcyclists ..burglers, rapists, and thieves ( always in that order of priority)

there fixed it for Ya

[Jantar]

...
The notice was issued under the following regulation.


: Person operated a motor vehicle on a road when the current licence issued to the vehicle and appropriate for its use was not affixed to it in the manner prescribed.

: Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration & Licensing) Regulations 2011: Regulation 77(2)(b)(ii).

: $200 - Schedule 6 Land Transport (Motor Vehicle Registration & Licensing) Regulations 2011.


....
If that is the case then OP will certainly be not guilty should he decide to defend it. His photo shows the that the licence lable was indeed affixed in the manner prescibed.

If the ticket is for having an obscured licence lable, referred to by RC, then that is another matter. It was correctly affixed, just obscured.

[FJRider]

If that is the case then OP will certainly be not guilty should he decide to defend it. His photo shows the that the licence lable was indeed affixed in the manner prescibed.

If the ticket is for having an obscured licence lable, referred to by RC, then that is another matter. It was correctly affixed, just obscured.

91 Evidence of registration and licensing

Maybe ..

(1)

The fact that a motor vehicle is operated without having registration plates affixed to and displayed on it in accordance with these regulations is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, sufficient evidence that the motor vehicle is not registered in accordance with Part 17 of the Act.

(2)

The fact that a motor vehicle is operated without having a valid licence affixed to and displayed on it in accordance with these regulations is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, sufficient evidence that the motor vehicle is not licensed in accordance with Part 17 of the Act.

(3)

For the purposes of this regulation, valid licence means a current licence or a licence issued for the motor vehicle that is to come into force within the next month.

[Icemaestro]

I've had two tickets - once fixed as you do - sent in a photo as it is saying that it was fixed in clear view and next to my number plate quoting the legislation "In the case of a motorcycle, moped, or trailer, the licence must be affixed to the motorcycle, moped, or trailer immediately below or as close as practicable to the registration plate." and they sent me a letter saying they would waive the fine and don't do it again (what I shouldn't do, I don't know) second time I had/have it affixed to the back of the numberplate (tidies it up a bit:-P) so you can read rego and WOF from behind the plate, and again, sent in a photo and they waived it and sent the same letter.

End of the day I'm going to say lazy/stupid parking officer? law just says it needs to be as close as possible OR below the plate :-)

oh and just when you take a photo, the other bit says "In every case, the licence must be displayed in an upright, easily visible position." so make sure it is upright, and can be read easily - ie can you read the thing then you pull it out? the way you have it usually the WOF is at the front and rego on the other side facing towards the front of the bike so nothing is obscured.

[Swoop]

Need to keep an eye out for the dodgy practices of the parking wardens too. This is why you cannot safely attach a paper parking ticket that you purchase from a "pay & display" ticket machine.

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[pritch]

3: You fire a warning shot out the window (Don't ruin a good ceiling)



That seems a bit dangerous. I always recommended a warning shot through the floor, that way you don't end up with a leaky roof.

[Scuba_Steve]

I would still like someone to explain how a vehicle, off, with no-one in/on it can be accused of "operating"
Sure it may have been operated at one point to get it there (tho could have also been towed, trailered, helicoptered, teleported) but at that particular time there is no possible way it was "operated" unless a) the accuser did so, or b) it's one of those fancy self drive vehicles

[BMWST?]

I would still like someone to explain how a vehicle, off, with no-one in/on it can be accused of "operating"
Sure it may have been operated at one point to get it there (tho could have also been towed, trailered, helicoptered, teleported) but at that particular time there is no possible way it was "operated" unless a) the accuser did so, or b) it's one of those fancy self drive vehicles
if a vehicle is parked in a parking space it is a fair assumption that it was "operated" to get there is it not?If it was conveyed there in some sort of manner which is not normal "operation" then i guess it is up to the "operator" to convey that information to TPTB.

[Scuba_Steve]

if a vehicle is parked in a parking space it is a fair assumption that it was "operated" to get there is it not?If it was conveyed there in some sort of manner which is not normal "operation" then i guess it is up to the "operator" to convey that information to TPTB.

Exactly it's assumed with time of operation being completely incorrect; the onus of proof should never be on the accused but the accuser else why shouldn't I claim you owe me money for the mowing of your lawns & let you prove I didn't at your cost...
They also have no proof it hasn't been sitting there for months maybee since before wof/reg ran out (In Lower Hutt wardens venture beyond paid/timed parking to harass people for cash moneys)

[rastuscat]

Just a wee clip from the Land Tranport Act 1998.

operate, in relation to a vehicle, means to drive or use the vehicle on a road, or to cause or permit the vehicle to be on a road or to be driven on a road, whether or not the person is present with the vehicle; and operator has a corresponding meaning

[Scuba_Steve]

Just a wee clip from the Land Tranport Act 1998.

operate, in relation to a vehicle, means to drive or use the vehicle on a road, or to cause or permit the vehicle to be on a road or to be driven on a road, whether or not the person is present with the vehicle; and operator has a corresponding meaning

I like how they just make up meanings...
Well given that, should we go into what a "road" is & how it's therefore impossible to comply with the legislation at all times, or how dirt bikes are just unlawful

[rastuscat]

I like how they just make up meanings...
Well given that, should we go into what a "road" is

They provide definitions so that judges don't have to decide for themselves.

Regarding Road, here's what the Act says

road includes—
(a)
a street; and
(b)
a motorway; and
(c)
a beach; and
(d)
a place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and
(e)
all bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d); and
(f)
all sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment

[Scuba_Steve]

They provide definitions so that judges don't have to decide for themselves.

Regarding Road, here's what the Act says

road includes—
(a)
a street; and
(b)
a motorway; and
(c)
a beach; and
(d)
a place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and
(e)
all bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d); and
(f)
all sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment

Operate (without making up meanings) is pretty simple & dictionaries would give actual meanings if in doubt
My comment about the roads was more about how vague they've gone & defined it, I already knew their definition hence the "impossible to comply with the legislation at all times, or how dirt bikes are just unlawful".
They could of really saved space & simplified things by going "Road includes - Everywhere"

[BMWST?]

Exactly it's assumed with time of operation being completely incorrect; the onus of proof should never be on the accused but the accuser else why shouldn't I claim you owe me money for the mowing of your lawns & let you prove I didn't at your cost...
They also have no proof it hasn't been sitting there for months maybee since before wof/reg ran out (In Lower Hutt wardens venture beyond paid/timed parking to harass people for cash moneys)

it wont have been parked in any patrolled area for days,the parking wardens will be around in a matter of hours for say areas of 2 hour parking.I say it is a fair assumption.If you have grounds for dismissal you must present that case,not ask for the oversight to be disregarded.The use of a motor vehicle on the road is a privelige not a right.To use said roads you must meet certain requirements,the display of "rego" being one of them.Dont like it,dont use the roads,and dont bleat when you get caught disregarding those requirements.And yes i have paid a 200 dollar fine for not having current rego.

[Scuba_Steve]

it wont have been parked in any patrolled area for days,the parking wardens will be around in a matter of hours for say areas of 2 hour parking.I say it is a fair assumption.If you have grounds for dismissal you must present that case,not ask for the oversight to be disregarded.The use of a motor vehicle on the road is a privelige not a right.To use said roads you must meet certain requirements,the display of "rego" being one of them.Dont like it,dont use the roads,and dont bleat when you get caught disregarding those requirements.And yes i have paid a 200 dollar fine for not having current rego.

Maybee you missed the part where they come round non paid/timed areas; where I work there is no time limits, no paid parking & shit tonne of parking yet we see 1 of these weasels on a bi-monthly basis (NOT 2 hourly, daily or even weekly)
Also the definition of "road" is so vague it includes, well, everywhere! including your front lawn/driveway; admittedly they don't target these areas but the definition includes them thus you'd be liable for having a non-compliant vehicle parked there

[PrincessBandit]

Need to keep an eye out for the dodgy practices of the parking wardens too. This is why you cannot safely attach a paper parking ticket that you purchase from a "pay & display" ticket machine.


Photo(s) of attached ticket (including close up with date/times showing) on your phone at least provides proof if needed. What's the potential damage cost wise of having to go through the "here's my proof [phone pic] that I paid for that parking space"? (never had to do it...yet... myself).

Hope the rider dobbed that guy into his boss regardless of the ticket being begrudgingly stuck back on! (I would like to think that the warden was an anomaly, but the cynical side of me is happy that photo evidence is readily available c/- Mr iPhone, Samsung etc.)

[russd7]

Photo(s) of attached ticket (including close up with date/times showing) on your phone at least provides proof if needed. What's the potential damage cost wise of having to go through the "here's my proof [phone pic] that I paid for that parking space"? (never had to do it...yet... myself).

Hope the rider dobbed that guy into his boss regardless of the ticket being begrudgingly stuck back on! (I would like to think that the warden was an anomaly, but the cynical side of me is happy that photo evidence is readily available c/- Mr iPhone, Samsung etc.)

cool so i take a pic of my mates ticket and heres my proof mister. thankfully anywhere i have parked my bike that is bike parking is non metered and i avoid pay and display

[PrincessBandit]

cool so i take a pic of my mates ticket and heres my proof mister.

Guess there are plenty of riders (and drivers) who are equally dishonest when it comes to getting around parking issues eh.