Hammock or tent?

[awa355]

I'm going to replace my old 2 man tent. Have been toying with the idea of either a hammock under a tarp or another 2 man tent. I like the thought of being off the damp ground, but the draw back would be having to camp only where trees are suitable. I did think the hammock would do away with the additional bulk of a bed roll..

I wondered about this as an alternative to a tent.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/camping-outdoors/tents/shelters/auction-883801632.htm

Main criteria would be compactness and light weight. The tent, bed roll and sleeping bag all make up a lot of the bulk of camping equipment on a bike so I want to cut back as much as possible. Most camping would only be for a couple of nights at a time. I'm thinking of DOC camping sites rather than holiday parks.

So, tarp and hammock, or
Tent and sleeping bag/mattress?

[Scubbo]

get a SWAG

heres a linke (http://www.wildearth.com.au/buy/true-blue-bluey-biker-deluxe-king-single-canvas-sw/TM32BK)

[RMOTO]

If your goal is lightweight and compact then a hammock with fly will certainly do the trick.

Another option is a simple fly, mosquito net and sleeping mat combo which still comes in with less weight and bulk than a tent.
http://www.remotemoto.com/photos/449/south-island-adventure-ride-fishing-trip-20728.jpg
Fly camping on the Mackley River bank

A bivy bag is another option but for me they are too cramped and confined for comfort on long trips.

I have a hammock and have used it a number of times on rides, this is the one I use here:

http://www.remotemoto.com/articles/hennessy-hammocks/

This is also an interesting read on hammock camping in general by Ian Meyle

http://www.remotemoto.com/articles/hammock-camping/

There are both negatives and positives from hammock camping. Hammock camping in Central Otago... good luck finding trees in some places!! Even on the West Coast I struggled in places to find suitable trees close to where I can pull my bike up. The Hennasey Hammocks are quite comfy and in some cases I'll use mine (mostly for either back country fly fishing tramping trips or a super lightweight bike trip) but generally when out on the bike I prefer the comfort of a spacious 2 man tent with plenty of room for both me and all my gear.

My 2 cents ;)

[Dadpole]

That tent alternative is a pricey one. Cheapskates like me just use a coated nylon square.

I tried the hammock option a few years back but went back to the tent. I found I needed decent padding underneath to stay warm. I also found it gave me back pain, but I think that is only because I am an 'active' sleeper. I often wake up being strangled by the sheet and bent like a capital W.

[awa355]

Since posting, I have watched a few videos on the Hennessy Hammock. Looks okay but I'm tending to lean towards a tent or a fly for the capability to sit up and get changed out of the weather. Last October I used a borrowed Microlight tent. About $450 but well made and easy to put up. Just slept on the floor, wasn't too bad (for 1 night).

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/Parakai1.jpg

Looking at RMOTO's fly camp, nice and simple. Would be as warm (or cold) as the night air.

[Akzle]

hammocks are a cunt to sleep in.
Fly tent.
Thermarest if you havent already. Even their old alpine guidelites (? ) are fkn warm and comfy enough. Obviously thicker is comfier.
But yeah, waterproof mat saves you carrying ground sheet. 3 bits of string and youre away laffing with the fly.

[Tazz]

You need a layer under you in a hammock still. I love the idea of one but I can feel the breeze under me on a stretcher let alone a hammock. Just not tough enough :'(

[skippa1]

Hammocks are useless and bad for your back

[R650R]

I bought a military style one with mosquito net built in from some Knife outlet in Auckland. Comfy as but a few issues as stated above.

You need an under blanket for insulation with negates the smaller size advantage.
Never used it in the wild yet but thought after the fact that possums will prob treat the lines like some kind of adventure theme park to play all night on.
When the ends become unsecured a rapid meeting with the ground occurs. I sheared off a 6mm bolt that was already stressed with shade sail in back yard, lucky I landed fairly square on my back.
To top it off the cat was nearby, intrigued by the new thingy hanging in back yard, frightened by the bolt snapping he promptly pissed on it!!!!

But I must get around to using it come summertime, just pay more attention to mounting!

[Night Falcon]

For the non Daniel Boone fair-weather adv types like myself, I find the lightest and simplest option is to carry my wife's credit card in my pocket - works great and you even get a cosy bed, cooked meal, hot shower & sky TV thrown in. :whistle:

[awa355]

For the non Daniel Boone fair-weather adv types like myself, I find the lightest and simplest option is to carry my wife's credit card in my pocket - works great and you even get a cosy bed, cooked meal, hot shower & sky TV thrown in. :whistle:

How the fuck do you fit under a credit card?:confused::confused:

[vegeman]

...and for the same reasons you started with in this thread, I can share my experiences. I bought a Hennessy Hammock and took it down south on my bike for a test. I to had thought it would be efficient, lightweight, easy to use etc but reality seemed to derail that thought. I was aware that they are cold to sleep in but didn't take a thermorest (but I did take a small emergency blanket for refective warmth) as I was trying to save space and wieight. The first night travelling, I had ridden through molesworth, lee's valley and got to a very busy Fairlie meaning I struggled to find 'any' accommocation (so NF's credit card scenario would haven't helped much). Ironically The main camp ground didn't have two trees to use for the hammock, which surprised me only flat ground for a small tent - go figure!...so I had to ride 25K's back down the road to a free DOC camp ground which having already ridden 650K's wasn't ideal. I pitched the hammock and it rained ,and only 9C...so a good test and comfirmed the hammock was a lot colder than I thought, besides shuffling around and sorting out gear to keep warm, I really didn't like also having to have my expensive bike gear outside (theft, rain, rats eating it). Hmmm, this hammock isn't doing what I imagined.

Long story short - I also have a light 1-2 man Adventure racing tent which was my previous solution, ( and a Hubba Hubba 2 man). The adventure tent is a Mountain Equipment AR Ultralight tent and is lighter than the hammock, works anywhere when I am with the bike, and getting out of the weather completely in the tent with all your gear was the clincher for me.

Just to be sure, I've tested the hammock a few more times, and for any weight saving or convenience of it, didn't eventuate.
get a tent.
311928

[bart]

I got a 1 man tent from kathmandu for around $100 on special. Very well made, packs down to nothing, light weight. No way you can sit up in it, and kind or reminds me of sleeping in a coffin. Luckily I’m not worried about that sort of thing, and I’m only 5 foot FA, so works for me. :niceone:

Down sleeping bag packs down to nothing also, but they’re a bit shit if they get wet. Used it for years and always managed to keep it dry. (No jokes about pissing the bed. I haven’t done that for weeks)

[.chris]

Hammocks are great, but you really do need an underquilt for NZ's unpredictable weather.

I have a grandtrunk hammock & fly, with an underground quilts 0deg underquilt (essentially a sleeping bag that slings underneath the hammock).
This setup is pretty good for me, it keeps you pretty warm and I am quite comfortable sleeping in a hammock, but the times it lacks is when the weather goes bad.

A bit of rain is no problem, but when that rain comes sideways just having a diamond tarp can let you down. You can get more coverage from a larger tarp with doors (almost a tent) and this would be recommended for non-summer hammocking.

I find my load out is a bit smaller and a bit lighter than the tent/sleeping mat combo, but not by a huge amount, but the smaller shapes do make it easier to pack.

I tend to use the hammock for the predictable weather periods (and/or where I am know I am going places with good sheltered hang options) the rest of the time I use the tent and sleeping mat.

[R650R]

For the non Daniel Boone fair-weather adv types like myself, I find the lightest and simplest option is to carry my wife's credit card in my pocket - works great and you even get a cosy bed, cooked meal, hot shower & sky TV thrown in. :whistle:

That's it I'm cruising with club KTM now :)
And if you check out Agoda.com often you can score some great last minute hotel deals, I find their site the best despite all the fancy tv adds by the competition whose deals you can never click through to.

Was looking at one of those Moto-Tents awhile ago but that's a bit too BMWish sleeping with your bike and their heavy, around 5kg...

[MarkH]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/camping-outdoors/tents/shelters/auction-883801632.htm


WTF?
Is that just a tarp they are trying to charge $130 for?
It looks like the tarp I paid US$20 for on a special from woot.com, I wouldn't think of paying $130!

I'm looking into hammock camping, not for saving weight or space but for what I'm told is much better comfort.
I sleep very restlessly in a tent on an inflatable mattress, I'm told that hammocks eliminate pressure points and result in a VERY comfortable sleep.
I do understand that you MUST have insulation under you though and am looking into various options.
I've bought a Hammock for US$20 and a fly for another US$20 and am looking at setting up a PLUQ to start with as a cheap way to cut down the cold air under me.

I'd say that hammocks could be worth trying but if you do it wrong you wont like it.
Tents are easier.
You can get very fancy tarps that make the hammock more like a tent and give you somewhere to get dressed.
I'm talking about tarps like this:
http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/n-pktq5q/2ieh8pn/products/89/images/321/DSC_0894__55480.1405381480.800.800.JPG?c=2

My plan is to try this hammock stuff out and if I do find it much more comfortable to then spend some decent money to get a really sweet setup with good hammock, tarp, UQ, TQ, etc.
I'll even look into a system for setting up a hammock without any trees needed (yes, these exist).
If I don't like sleeping in a hammock then I guess I'll have to stick to tenting.

[clint640]

Another thing to consider is bugs. Lots of the scenic places in NZ where you might want to camp will have the odd sandfly & mozzie in residence. Make sure your chosen shelter has a good way of keeping the little buggers out.

I like my Macpac Minaret tent. Super quick to erect. Stays up in any weather. At 2.2 kg not much heavier than some hammock setups. Not cheap but mine is over 10yrs old now & is still going strong. Probably overkill for one person if you are trying to be minimalist but for two of us it's a good compromise between size, weight & utility. We chuck our riding gear in a bag outside.

Cheers
Clint

[awa355]

Nice to read comments based on experiences on both hammocks and tents. I think I am leaning towards the tent at the moment. The idea of not having to worry about the dampness of the ground and unseen rocks/lumps etc that pop up after setting the tent had appealed to me. Plus I figured that I would not have to lug an extra bulky item along (mattress). A few you tube vids and comments here emphasize the need for a mattress regardless. Ideally, it would be nice to be off the ground slightly but I haven't seen any stretchers with a frame that would fit on a bike.

NF's credit card is certainly one way to go, but being on the beach or along side a river with no other buggar around is what it is all about.

I did the bivvy bag under the tarp thingy one July at Coromandel. It was cold and not being able to sit up was a pain.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/coro6.jpg

[Dadpole]

I too was sold on the hammock idea. Light, no hard/wet ground etc. If I could get a good nights sleep in one, I would still use one. Trees (or lack of) are not an issue where I go.
See if you can borrow one. The idea is sound - just not for me. I hate bivvy bags though.

[Erelyes]

Something like the 'Kamp-Rite Midget Bushtrekka' (http://www.goodshomedesign.com/bicycle-camper-trailer-oversize-tent-cot/)would be cool. Tow it behind your bike. Trouble is, it's built for pushbike speeds.

[Gremlin]

What about a tent ON your motorcycle? :eek:

http://www.mobed.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/mobed2-1170x500.jpg (http://www.mobed.eu/)


No... I haven't bought one... :laugh:

[JATZ]

get a SWAG

heres a linke (http://www.wildearth.com.au/buy/true-blue-bluey-biker-deluxe-king-single-canvas-sw/TM32BK)

I looked at those when in Aus... About the size of a small car and weigh about as much as a baby elephant. (not really but they're not a weight or space saving option) IMHO :yes:


I got a 1 man tent from kathmandu for around $100 on special. Very well made, packs down to nothing, light weight. No way you can sit up in it, and kind or reminds me of sleeping in a coffin. Luckily I’m not worried about that sort of thing, and I’m only 5 foot FA, so works for me. :niceone:

Down sleeping bag packs down to nothing also, but they’re a bit shit if they get wet. Used it for years and always managed to keep it dry. (No jokes about pissing the bed. I haven’t done that for weeks)
I also tried a one man Kathmandu tent thingy, it reminded me of a coffin too :eek5: I lasted about 1/2 a night and had to get out. Gave me the shits it did, and a headache
+1 on down sleeping bags, they pack down small and are warm, which for me is the main thing.If I'm warm I'll sleep anywhere :sleep:


You should get one of those Gremlin. :yes: we can take bets on how long it is before your bike topples over

[Moi]

... You should get one of those Gremlin. :yes: we can take bets on how long it is before your bike topples over

Topple... by itself or with some help? :innocent:

[Gremlin]

You should get one of those Gremlin. :yes: we can take bets on how long it is before your bike topples over
But it topples over regularly enough without a tent contraption on the top? :confused:

[pete376403]

cot tent? If it packed small enough, or at least smaller than a separate tent and stretcher bed it could be ok.

[puddytat]

Another thing to consider is bugs. Lots of the scenic places in NZ where you might want to camp will have the odd sandfly & mozzie in residence. Make sure your chosen shelter has a good way of keeping the little buggers out.

I like my Macpac Minaret tent. Super quick to erect. Stays up in any weather. At 2.2 kg not much heavier than some hammock setups. Not cheap but mine is over 10yrs old now & is still going strong. Probably overkill for one person if you are trying to be minimalist but for two of us it's a good compromise between size, weight & utility. We chuck our riding gear in a bag outside.

Cheers
Clint

Wot he said.

the Minaret we've got is well over 20 years old & would've been set up hundreds of times all over the world.
Packs small, Kiwi quality...keeping us dry & warm since ages ago.
A tent is good for 3-4deg above ambient air temp too....

[Smifffy]

You should get one of those Gremlin. :yes: we can take bets on how long it is before your bike topples over

If Gremlin got one, he would also need to add a sat dish, a flat screen tv, a couch and a kitchen sink...

[R650R]

Tents are easier.
You can get very fancy tarps that make the hammock more like a tent and give you somewhere to get dressed.


Somewhere to get dressed... your a biker you don't need privacy, let it all hang out... or maybe you don't want to get told off like I did at classic rally lol :)

[R650R]

What about a tent ON your motorcycle? :eek:

No... I haven't bought one... :laugh:

I saw some tool had one of these style things on top of his SUV at a Rotovegas mountainbike event, looked so fkn stupid... off the bloody scale on the hey look at me cringeworthy factor.
Plus your at such an easy tempting poke me pull me slash me level for lazy vandals and hooligans lol...

[Big Dog]

Somewhere to get dressed... your a biker you don't need privacy, let it all hang out... or maybe you don't want to get told off like I did at classic rally lol :)

I try to dress with modesty. After 23 1/2 years this has nothing to do with any sense of modesty. It has every thing to do with not wanting to inflict the glorious sight of my nakedness on those of weaker dispositions.

A number of times I have had to remind myself that an open plan office with security cameras is not the best place to get changed.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[awa355]

An interesting blog on the correct way to hang and lie in a hammock. This is part 3 of an article on hammocks.

http://www.treklightgear.com/treklife/hammock-angle/

[bart]

An interesting blog on the correct way to hang and lie in a hammock. This is part 3 of an article on hammocks.

http://www.treklightgear.com/treklife/hammock-angle/

Good read. I was concerned about the curve with my crooked back. It seems you can lay flat. Could be a good summer option, but I’m happy with the tent for autumn/winter/spring/rain/wind/hail/snow...so don’t think I’d get one.

[Trials Rider]

Another thing to consider is bugs. Lots of the scenic places in NZ where you might want to camp will have the odd sandfly & mozzie in residence. Make sure your chosen shelter has a good way of keeping the little buggers out.

I like my Macpac Minaret tent. Super quick to erect. Stays up in any weather. At 2.2 kg not much heavier than some hammock setups. Not cheap but mine is over 10yrs old now & is still going strong. Probably overkill for one person if you are trying to be minimalist but for two of us it's a good compromise between size, weight & utility. We chuck our riding gear in a bag outside.

Cheers
Clint

Yip I totally agree about the bugs, I have spent some shit nights tossing and turning from being bitten and then finally after what seems to be a 45 hour long night wake up and find you face looks like you have been in a bad pub scrap and lost.

I love my Hilleberg Nallo 2 tent, it is a two person tent so plenty of room for me on one side and gear on the other side http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=227 and at 2.4kg packed weight it is non event packing it on the bike, I can fit the tent, sleeping mat, air pump, pillow, jacket in a 20 Litre roll top bag http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=232 it is convenient having the tent bag separate from the main bag, it is first off the bike to set up your home and chuck everything in for the night.

[Moi]

... A number of times I have had to remind myself that an open plan office with security cameras is not the best place to get changed.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Smifffy]

I try to dress with modesty. After 23 1/2 years this has nothing to do with any sense of modesty. It has every thing to do with not wanting to inflict the glorious sight of my nakedness on those of weaker dispositions.

A number of times I have had to remind myself that an open plan office with security cameras is not the best place to get changed.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

I'd be inclined to think "hey if I get changed here often enough they might stop monitoring me on the cameras..." :bleh::eek::Police:

[awa355]

I love my Hilleberg Nallo 2 tent, it is a two person tent so plenty of room for me on one side and gear on the other side .

At $1200 for a 2 man tent, I cant see me buying one. It might be good quality, but so are many other brands at a lesser price. My old First Light 2 man is about 15 years old and still does the job. I had been keen on a hammock setup but may just stick to a tent.

[neels]

A mate of mine swears by a bivvy bag and a tent fly when travelling light, as long as you go to bed after the bugs do.

These days I prefer the credit card in the pocket theory, I'm not too fussy though, anything 4 star and above is fine.

[Trials Rider]

At $1200 for a 2 man tent, I cant see me buying one. It might be good quality, but so are many other brands at a lesser price. My old First Light 2 man is about 15 years old and still does the job. I had been keen on a hammock setup but may just stick to a tent.

Yes they are expensive but they are the best, when it comes to camping if you want a shit day, haver a shit night before. I simply can't be stuffed having a crappy tent ruin my weekend in bad weather.

[MarkH]

Yes they are expensive but they are the best, when it comes to camping if you want a shit day, haver a shit night before. I simply can't be stuffed having a crappy tent ruin my weekend in bad weather.

Ah yes, but is it really fair to describe tents that cost less than $1200 as crappy?
My Redverz Series II Expedition tent is one I would consider expensive, but it is only US$450 which seems like a budget tent compared to a $1200 tent.
I've camped plenty of times in a tent that cost $60 and I don't really think it is all that bad even though I can't stand up in it like in the Redverz.

[Trials Rider]

Ah yes, but is it really fair to describe tents that cost less than $1200 as crappy?
My Redverz Series II Expedition tent is one I would consider expensive, but it is only US$450 which seems like a budget tent compared to a $1200 tent.
I've camped plenty of times in a tent that cost $60 and I don't really think it is all that bad even though I can't stand up in it like in the Redverz.

No I call a crappy tent one with the skinny fibreglass poles that break in a mild wind and the out fly that progressively gets wet and saggy, if all you want to do is camp in summer at the local domain a $10 tarp will be fine, but if you want a good tent is costs good money regards of the brand.

My main point is don't buy shit, it will let you down at the worst possible time.

[_Shrek_]

I still use my hammock, unless I'm with mrs Shrek then use the tent which you can stand up in, the hammock is warmer than the tent in the snow & frost, can be a bit of a pain when it's wet for keeping your gear dry but have never got wet while sleeping

[MarkH]

the hammock is warmer than the tent in the snow & frost, can be a bit of a pain when it's wet for keeping your gear dry but have never got wet while sleeping

I've read plenty of accounts from hammock users where they claim to be plenty warm enough in a hammock with -20 degree temperatures overnight. I think that there are tricks to keeping gear dry (gear hanging under the tarp or whatever).

I have my hammock set up in the workshop and will try sleeping overnight in it once I get some sort of underquilt set up.
If I find it comfortable then I'll look into what I need to make it good for full winter sleeping.

[_Shrek_]

I've read plenty of accounts from hammock users where they claim to be plenty warm enough in a hammock with -20 degree temperatures overnight. I think that there are tricks to keeping gear dry (gear hanging under the tarp or whatever).

I have my hammock set up in the workshop and will try sleeping overnight in it once I get some sort of underquilt set up.
If I find it comfortable then I'll look into what I need to make it good for full winter sleeping.

my bag is a four seasons -29c & I use a Katmandu liner

[FJRider]

my bag is a four seasons -29c & I use a Katmandu liner

And it matters little if you sleep in a tent ... or hammock. YOU WILL BE WARM ...

[Erelyes]

And it matters little if you sleep in a tent ... or hammock. YOU WILL BE WARM ...

... if you bring the missus along.

[FJRider]

... if you bring the missus along.

ONE of you will be warm ... :innocent:

[chasio]

Yip I totally agree about the bugs, I have spent some shit nights tossing and turning from being bitten and then finally after what seems to be a 45 hour long night wake up and find you face looks like you have been in a bad pub scrap and lost.

I love my Hilleberg Nallo 2 tent, it is a two person tent so plenty of room for me on one side and gear on the other side http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=227 and at 2.4kg packed weight it is non event packing it on the bike, I can fit the tent, sleeping mat, air pump, pillow, jacket in a 20 Litre roll top bag http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=232 it is convenient having the tent bag separate from the main bag, it is first off the bike to set up your home and chuck everything in for the night.

Yes, great tent and one recommended by Ray Mears, who knows a thing or twothousand about back country life. I got mine second-hand for $300 with a saved search on TardMe. Was pretty happy with that :)

[MarkH]

And it matters little if you sleep in a tent ... or hammock. YOU WILL BE WARM ...

Thus concluding that a hammock is NOT cold to sleep in, provided you do the insulation right.

I currently have my hammock set up in the workshop for testing purposes, I'm not going to try this stuff out while away from home - much better to get everything sorted in the back yard or workshop. I have a poncho liner setup as an under-quilt and my down sleeping bag as a top quilt, I have a fly and hammock and tree straps & whoopie slings. I've used it for a couple of hours during the day and it felt warm and comfy, next step is to try sleeping overnight in it.
For mid winter I think I'll need to get (or make from an old sleeping bag) a warmer under-quilt as the poncho liner is not all that thick.

[puddytat]

I reckon there'll always be a wind chill factor in a hammock under a tarp. Not saying its a bad thing but a small zipped up tent is simply going to be warmer.
A tent or a hammock will always require suitable insulation underneath you in cooler temperatures. The advantage I see with a hammock/tarp set up is the summer thing. But then there's bugs,which can mean in some areas that you'll get sandflies in the morning & evening or if it looks like raining, then just as its getting dark they'll be replaced with mossies'.
So the ideal would be netting over yer hammock.

[MarkH]

I reckon there'll always be a wind chill factor in a hammock under a tarp. Not saying its a bad thing but a small zipped up tent is simply going to be warmer.
A tent or a hammock will always require suitable insulation underneath you in cooler temperatures. The advantage I see with a hammock/tarp set up is the summer thing. But then there's bugs,which can mean in some areas that you'll get sandflies in the morning & evening or if it looks like raining, then just as its getting dark they'll be replaced with mossies'.
So the ideal would be netting over yer hammock.

I've slept in a tent at the Cold Kiwi when there was a heavy frost - it certainly didn't feel warmer.
Obviously you would need good insulation underneath you in a hammock otherwise convection will ensure your arse will freeze.
Hammocks with bug nets are easy enough to find, I bought one for US$25.

I'd agree that there is an advantage in summer when the hammock can be cooler, but in winter you only need the good under quilt and top quilt to be warm and comfy even in snowy cold weather.

[bart]

A hammock would be the bomb (that means good) in Aussie. The further from the ground the better with all those creepy crawly critters.

[_Shrek_]

I reckon there'll always be a wind chill factor in a hammock under a tarp. Not saying its a bad thing but a small zipped up tent is simply going to be warmer.

2010 Brass Monkey 6inchs of snow I was probably the only one sleeping out side that didn't freeze his nuts off & :zzzz: all night going by the talk in the morning.... I've been using the hammock since 06 as far as bugs go they seem to leave me alone either that I'm not feeling anything when I fall into it :whistle:

[FJRider]

I've slept in a tent at the Cold Kiwi when there was a heavy frost - it certainly didn't feel warmer.



I slept in a tent at a Brass Monkey with the temperature dropping to minus 14. It didn't feel warm(er) then either.

A good speeping bag is worth ALL the $$$ you spend on it.

[awa355]

I slept in a tent at a Brass Monkey with the temperature dropping to minus 14. It didn't feel warm(er) then either.

A good speeping bag is worth ALL the $$$ you spend on it.

All you need to warm the tent is a meal of baked beans for tea. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[FJRider]

All you need to warm the tent is a meal of baked beans for tea. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

But do NOT light a match ... :pinch:

[MarkH]

A good speeping bag is worth ALL the $$$ you spend on it.

^ this
Even if you buy a cheapie tent, get a GOOD sleeping bag, the money you spend is never wasted.

[_Shrek_]

a GOOD sleeping bag, the money you spend is never wasted.

aye I got a 4 season marmot -29 on special for $850 & a -17 three season for head office for $400 as she doesn't do cold,

Katmandu do really good specials for students these days...

Motomox.com has all the goodies on line camping,riding etc...

[RMOTO]

Shrek, you and your hammock are famous :p

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/galleries/brass-monkey-rally/344247/brass-monkey-rally-2015

[Trials Rider]

Shrek, you and your hammock are famous :p

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/galleries/brass-monkey-rally/344247/brass-monkey-rally-2015

Wow Shrek you really have this lying down thing sorted out :bleh:

[XF650]

I didn't actually see him out of that hammock @ the Brass - unsociable bugger.

[Trials Rider]

I didn't actually see him out of that hammock @ the Brass - unsociable bugger.

Consider yourself lucky he wasn't throwing swamp mud around

[_Shrek_]

I didn't actually see him out of that hammock @ the Brass - unsociable bugger.

blame cruza he's the one that tucked me in :rolleyes:

did look around for ya in the morning but..... :no: find

[_Shrek_]

Wow Shrek you really have this lying down thing sorted out :bleh:

well some one needs to be good at it :facepalm:

[kevfromcoro]

I have been up in Vanuatu.. ,, had a hammock and a tent.. the hammock was ok but the mozzies ate me.. the tent was better, but did have a large centerpedde running around in it.
Tell ya wot,,, neither are any good in a cyclone.
I was right in it.
May start a thread on it latter, not many bike, but lots of Quads and buggys

[_Shrek_]

I have been up in Vanuatu.. ,, had a hammock and a tent.. the hammock was ok but the mozzies ate me..

you need to eat more Vegemite :msn-wink: the mozzies were better out side than in I found....10 of us were on Tana for 2 weeks & they got eaten alive in the house & I slept on the edge of the veranda in the hammock with no worries :niceone:

[Trials Rider]

you need to eat more Vegemite :msn-wink: the mozzies were better out side than in I found....10 of us were on Tana for 2 weeks & they got eaten alive in the house & I slept on the edge of the veranda in the hammock with no worries :niceone:

That's nothing to do with vegemite :no:, you are just old and chewy :bleh: even mozzies have standards you know:laugh:

[_Shrek_]

That's nothing to do with vegemite :no:, you are just old and chewy :bleh: even mozzies have standards you know:laugh:

then aren't I just the lucky one :motu:

:shifty: pay back is on it's way :laugh: