View Full Version : Fun question for lovers of 70s cars
Oakie
16th May 2015, 10:55
Easy enough. Name the company who made this car and the model. Year if your really good. First correct answer wins a virtual crunchie.
Warning ... only people who really know their stuff will get this. (And if someone gets it straight off I'm going to look a right twat but hey, that's the risk I take.)
I will eventually put up the info about this car. Quite interesting.
Mazda Roadpacer AP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Roadpacer_AP)
based on the HJ Holden Premier but with the Mazda rotary engine attached to the Holden's transmission...
Oakie
16th May 2015, 11:11
Good job! You get a virtual crunchie and I look like a twat!
Interesting car for sure.
Crunchie Bar... :woohoo:
Where did you see it?
BTW, the giveaway were the mudguard mounted mirrors... then a check with Mechanic Google's photo album to confirm my suspicions and finally a quick read of Ms Wiki Pedia's writings...
Oakie
16th May 2015, 12:16
Crunchie Bar... :woohoo:
Where did you see it?
BTW, the giveaway were the mudguard mounted mirrors... then a check with Mechanic Google's photo album to confirm my suspicions and finally a quick read of Ms Wiki Pedia's writings...
Ah, mirrors ... good point. It's at the car museum thing in the same facility as theWearable Arts Museum in Nelson. They have a nice wee collection of bikes tucked away in a wee corner too.
HenryDorsetCase
16th May 2015, 12:35
I would dearly love to start that up in front of a bunch of street machine petrolheads.... LOL
I would dearly love to start that up in front of a bunch of street machine petrolheads.... LOL
They don't sound like a rotor. Massive mufflers and a twenty foot long pipe.
They are heavy and fucken slow. The only thing going for them is that there is finally space for a radiator that can keep the thing cool.
ooo I've read about those but never seen one in the flesh, yet.
Family friend just sold on another of Mazdas heavy bodied small engine rotary attempts for peanuts. He'd owned it from new and loved to praise and rip it in the same sentence. Living up the hills in Lyttelton wasn't the best home for that sort of beast for sure.
sidecar bob
16th May 2015, 14:30
Some Maoris had one near my work in the '90s, they turned it into scrap in a couple of years totally unaware of what it actually was.
neels
16th May 2015, 22:49
Dear god, a whale of a car and an engine with no torque, not a winning combination.
Mind you, I can understand the trade, Holden were desperately in need of some technology back then considering the dinosaurs the Australian taxpayer was subsidising them to build.
AllanB
16th May 2015, 23:06
Cheers mate - never knew they existed.
Also - have NO idea why anyone thought this was a good idea.
Stick a nice Chev V8 in it.
Dear god, a whale of a car and an engine with no torque, not a winning combination.
Mind you, I can understand the trade, Holden were desperately in need of some technology back then considering the dinosaurs the Australian taxpayer was subsidising them to build.
Wasn't it much later that the government did the propping up? Hence the XF falcon never coming out with a V8, and Holden being able to meet emissions laws with one.
neels
16th May 2015, 23:46
Wasn't it much later that the government did the propping up? Hence the XF falcon never coming out with a V8, and Holden being able to meet emissions laws with one.
I always thought the same, until I read a very interesting history of the Australian car industry, it's basically been a taxpayer subsidised employment scheme from when it started, and if it wasn't for that Holden would never have existed.
The no V8 in the XF falcon I understood was due to a new CEO taking over who had no interest in motor racing, and decided that the Australian public no longer wanted to buy cars with V8 engines, if so I wonder what he's doing for a job now.
sidecar bob
17th May 2015, 08:53
I always thought the same, until I read a very interesting history of the Australian car industry, it's basically been a taxpayer subsidised employment scheme from when it started, and if it wasn't for that Holden would never have existed.
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That explains everything. How the fuck else could you sell cars that are the motoring equivalent of KFC & Pizza Hut, while the rest of the world were doing fine dining on Mercedes & BMW (I'm talking about the 70's & 80's) the difference between a HG Holden & a '71 BMW 3.0s, which I have worked on since they were semi modern is immeasurable in every way. I guess the same goes for today, I'd hardly swap my X5 for a Holden Adventra, they have got to be the cheapest nastiest 4wd conversion possible, using subframe spacers to give a body lift like some backyard bodge up from Gore.
pete376403
17th May 2015, 09:56
The feeling during the 70's was that the old Aussie 6's and V8s were popular among country buyers travelling long distances over 2nd and 3rd rate roads where the Euro "fine dining" experience would be falling apart. The Aussies could also be repaired with the sorts of basic equipment that could be found in any country town engineering/blacksmith shop.
That, plus a big chunk of government subsidy / political pork-barrelling.
pzkpfw
17th May 2015, 11:00
... I guess the same goes for today, I'd hardly swap my X5 for a Holden Adventra, they have got to be the cheapest nastiest 4wd conversion possible, using subframe spacers to give a body lift like some backyard bodge up from Gore.
I don't think many were fooled by the Adventra. Wasn't it just a panicked reaction to the Ford Territory? (Falcon-ish, but more developed, not such a bodge). The Territory continued to well out-sell the Holden.
The Ranger based Everest comes next year. Be interesting to see how that goes against the Holden Captiva 7 and Colorado 7.
(Having said all that, in the 70's and 80's people were putting Dana axles in HQ Holdens, and making 4x4 Kingswoods. They were and always will be, the coolest of the cool.)
Jeez wayne, you a bloody sheila?
Feck in them daz we had a Holden wagon... it did everythink, rubbish to the tip, rugrats to school footie, misses to the shops, me to the club... went everywhere... nothink stopped it... not even a flooded steam... cleaned them out with a hose...
Nowadays you have to have some fancy 4x4 with more letters across their bums then some fancy doctor has on their door...
Voltaire
17th May 2015, 15:38
That explains everything. How the fuck else could you sell cars that are the motoring equivalent of KFC & Pizza Hut, while the rest of the world were doing fine dining on Mercedes & BMW (I'm talking about the 70's & 80's) the difference between a HG Holden & a '71 BMW 3.0s, which I have worked on since they were semi modern is immeasurable in every way. I guess the same goes for today, I'd hardly swap my X5 for a Holden Adventra, they have got to be the cheapest nastiest 4wd conversion possible, using subframe spacers to give a body lift like some backyard bodge up from Gore.
Maxheadroom has one of those BMW 3.0 litre cars, apparently cost about 50 K back in the mid 70's when a Holden premier was $5500.
As you say the Holden engineering was pretty much 1930's with metallic paint added, ironically these days the Holden is probably worth more ( here).
I used to drive my Parents Premier and have no ambition to own an Aussie car ever.
Laava
17th May 2015, 16:02
It is essentially true that if you are doing a road trip around aussie, you have a holden, falcon or a landcruiser./hilux. Primarily for repair reasons. Ie you can get bits anywhere and mechs that can fix them.
sidecar bob
17th May 2015, 17:22
Maxheadroom has one of those BMW 3.0 litre cars, apparently cost about 50 K back in the mid 70's when a Holden premier was $5500.
As you say the Holden engineering was pretty much 1930's with metallic paint added, ironically these days the Holden is probably worth more ( here).
I used to drive my Parents Premier and have no ambition to own an Aussie car ever.
I have a client that bought a 3.0s Lhd & still has it when it was about two years old for $7500, so I'd say fiddyK would be a bit of an over estimation, but yeah, suffice to say, a fair bit more than a holdunger.
I was highly amused when sometime around '91 '92 Holden proudly announced IRS on the back of their then current pile of shit they were peddling. BMW had been quietly using independent rear suspension & four wheel disc brakes from at least as far back as 1968 on their regular production family cars.
nodrog
17th May 2015, 17:45
Easy enough. Name the company who made this car and the model. Year if your really good. First correct answer wins a virtual crunchie.
Warning ... only people who really know their stuff will get this. (And if someone gets it straight off I'm going to look a right twat but hey, that's the risk I take.)
I will eventually put up the info about this car. Quite interesting.
A 350 chev in a series 1 rx7 is far more fun.
jim.cox
17th May 2015, 17:46
The advantage of simple old Aussie wagons is they are easy to fix.
The dis-advantage of them is that you are going to have to do so.
Blowing the timing gears of my HT wagon just inside the Homer Tunnel was NOT fun...
Oakie
17th May 2015, 19:44
Blowing the timing gears of my HT wagon just inside the Homer Tunnel was NOT fun...
So now you know what the HT stands for don't you? Homer Tunnel!
Kickaha
17th May 2015, 19:48
Blowing the timing gears of my HT wagon just inside the Homer Tunnel was NOT fun...
Had to do those on both the HT and HQ that I had, In stock off the shelf at Repco at the time
jim.cox
17th May 2015, 19:58
Had to do those on both the HT and HQ that I had, In stock off the shelf at Repco at the time
And around a day's labour
Swoop
17th May 2015, 20:05
The advantage of simple old Aussie wagons is they are easy to fix.
The HQ never required a spare ignition key either...
Banditbandit
19th May 2015, 13:18
Some Maoris had one near my work in the '90s, they turned it into scrap in a couple of years totally unaware of what it actually was.
a whale of a car and an engine with no torque, not a winning combination.
Yeah ... I can understand why they wrecked it ... it belongs in a museum - not on the road
yevjenko
22nd May 2015, 08:49
That explains everything. How the fuck else could you sell cars that are the motoring equivalent of KFC & Pizza Hut, while the rest of the world were doing fine dining on Mercedes & BMW (I'm talking about the 70's & 80's) the difference between a HG Holden & a '71 BMW 3.0s, which I have worked on since they were semi modern is immeasurable in every way .
You're comparing to the wrong cars though. The equivalent in Europe would be the ford Granada and the Vauxhall senator/victor/vx range of motors. BMW and Merc have always been a step ahead of anybody else engineering wise
I guess the same goes for today, I'd hardly swap my X5 for a Holden Adventra, they have got to be the cheapest nastiest 4wd conversion possible, using subframe spacers to give a body lift like some backyard bodge up from Gore.
Common platform not initially designed to be an of roader
ellipsis
22nd May 2015, 09:10
...how many cars like the H Holdens were there that you could change any of the motors that they had, from 149's up to the 202's, in less than two hours and still have another cheap spare ready for next time the 202 dropped number five hole or the timing gear broke on it...every H Holden I ran had the motor out immediately and had a 1 Tonner gearbox bolted onto it...I dont miss the fact that I changed to the japanese Holdens a long time ago...I do miss the power and reliability and economy of my last HJ Ute with an LD28 and five speed box in it though...
oldrider
22nd May 2015, 16:54
Cheers mate - never knew they existed. Also - have NO idea why anyone thought this was a good idea.
Neither did I - (very boring cars normally IMO) - but an interesting post and thread just the same! :niceone:
BMWST?
22nd May 2015, 20:29
someone post up another one!
98tls
22nd May 2015, 20:48
...how many cars like the H Holdens were there that you could change any of the motors that they had, from 149's up to the 202's, in less than two hours and still have another cheap spare ready for next time the 202 dropped number five hole or the timing gear broke on it...every H Holden I ran had the motor out immediately and had a 1 Tonner gearbox bolted onto it...I dont miss the fact that I changed to the japanese Holdens a long time ago...I do miss the power and reliability and economy of my last HJ Ute with an LD28 and five speed box in it though...
Mates Q still does the hard yards on a regular basis with no problems.http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a92/tlme/firewood022.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/tlme/media/firewood022.jpg.html)Just clicked over 90,000.Had an ex forestry HQ way back in the day bought it as a cruiser/work hack and to save some miles on the XYGS i had,just as well as it met a grisly end.
OK, something a little different...
https://ranwhenparkeddotnet.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/zeithaus-autostadt-citroen-m35-1.jpg
Laava
22nd May 2015, 22:47
That is seriously retarded!
Plus it's a wankel? http://thecarhobby.blogspot.co.nz/2011/10/m35-citroens-experimental-wankel.html
It's a Citroen, yuck. Here is one that's pretty rare, but there is one in NZ, I know because I drove it...just for a WoF.
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1903/1461/29755730002_large.jpg
True, it is a Citroen but what marks it out from the others?
The one you show is a SM - has a Maserati V6 engine.
Laava
23rd May 2015, 00:04
There is one SM in NZ that used to belong to Mike Hailwood. Is that it Motu?
The feeling during the 70's was that the old Aussie 6's and V8s were popular among country buyers travelling long distances over 2nd and 3rd rate roads where the Euro "fine dining" experience would be falling apart. The Aussies could also be repaired with the sorts of basic equipment that could be found in any country town engineering/blacksmith shop.
This. A sturdy basic V8-engined platform that can be fixed by the average shade tree mechanic is worth any amount of Parnell-based / plug it into the computer cruisers. I still prefer my Detroit-engined motorcycles to the Porsche-designed V-Rod for that very reason; the V-Rod is a great boulevard platform but for long-distance rides in places with unpredictable access to sophisticated mechanical engineer, give me a bike I can at least attempt to fix at the side of the road, any day of the week.
There is one SM in NZ that used to belong to Mike Hailwood. Is that it Motu?
I came across it in 1996, so long after Hailwood had departed. It was in Parnell, and the owner also had an E Type (I never got to drive that one) and a 2 door XJ6, which I did. He was probably well known in the right circles, and seemed pretty proud to be showing off his possessions to a lowly blue collar worker. I on the other hand was probably a bit smug knowing I had maybe been to a wild drug and booze fuelled party in his house in the '70's.
sidecar bob
23rd May 2015, 11:09
This. A sturdy basic V8-engined platform that can be fixed by the average shade tree mechanic is worth any amount of Parnell-based / plug it into the computer cruisers. I still prefer my Detroit-engined motorcycles to the Porsche-designed V-Rod for that very reason; the V-Rod is a great boulevard platform but for long-distance rides in places with unpredictable access to sophisticated mechanical engineer, give me a bike I can at least attempt to fix at the side of the road, any day of the week.
I have owned a garage since everything had a distributor & carburettor, now all I feel is pity for people that own such vehicles by choice.
I've worked on more E30 & E36 3 series BMW than all other types of car combined but a combination of the current owners & the archaic technology in them just give me the shits now.
Bring on the future!
BMWST?
23rd May 2015, 12:38
I have owned a garage since everything had a distributor & carburettor, now all I feel is pity for people that own such vehicles by choice.
I've worked on more E30 & E36 3 series BMW than all other types of car combined but a combination of the current owners & the archaic technology in them just give me the shits now.
Bring on the future!
e30 are pretty archaic now....or is that what you meant?
e30 are pretty archaic now....or is that what you meant?
And they've got a retard drive system for the distributor.
That is seriously retarded!
Plus it's a wankel? http://thecarhobby.blogspot.co.nz/2011/10/m35-citroens-experimental-wankel.html
Retarded? - No, it's French...
Yes, wankel powered. Thought a nice connection to the Holden/Mazda...
Sorry, missed your post last night... :doh:
pritch
23rd May 2015, 13:38
- never knew they existed.
Also - have NO idea why anyone thought this was a good idea.
Absolutely - on both counts. I used to have an RX3 coupe back about 1972, loved it. Went everywhere at warp speed, sometimes sideways. Brilliant.
Some people said the rotaries were thirsty, but most other cars that could cruise at over 160kph were probably going to be even thirstier. My only complaint was the frequent need to purchase expensive platinum spark plugs.
sidecar bob
23rd May 2015, 16:20
And they've got a retard drive system for the distributor.
Had you fucked didn't it. Yeah I'm just fuckin over old stuff, prior to about '98.
Had you fucked didn't it. Yeah I'm just fuckin over old stuff, prior to about '98.
Na, I spotted the rotor being out of position reletive to the mechanical timing. Had my mate fucked for weeks.
I quite like the old stuff. But I don't have to work on them for a living.
You can send the Katana down here, since you hate all that old shit. Just to help you out bro.
old rig
23rd May 2015, 17:53
I have owned a garage since everything had a distributor & carburettor, now all I feel is pity for people that own such vehicles by choice.
I've worked on more E30 & E36 3 series BMW than all other types of car combined but a combination of the current owners & the archaic technology in them just give me the shits now.
Bring on the future!
How in the future is your cell phone
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How in the future is your cell phone
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He's using the up to date one now I think.
scumdog
23rd May 2015, 18:47
I have owned a garage since everything had a distributor & carburettor, now all I feel is pity for people that own such vehicles by choice.
I've worked on more E30 & E36 3 series BMW than all other types of car combined but a combination of the current owners & the archaic technology in them just give me the shits now.
Bring on the future!
You won't be buying my Marina ute then....;);)
Kickaha
23rd May 2015, 18:58
You won't be buying my Marina ute then....;);)
Nobody with any taste will be
Virago
23rd May 2015, 19:01
You won't be buying my Marina ute then....;);)
Please beware of falling pianos.
sidecar bob
23rd May 2015, 19:09
How in the future is your cell phone
Sent from my XT535 using Tapatalk 2
It was made after '99 thank you. Google Alcatel 735.
sidecar bob
23rd May 2015, 19:11
He's using the up to date one now I think.
Na, same old shitter, I can still txt you tho can't I? I've got some flash piece of shit in the draw that I can't see, so not much use really.
scumdog
23rd May 2015, 19:24
Nobody with any taste will be
And you can just fuck right off...
And you can just fuck right off...
Give it a repower with something modern.
Kickaha
23rd May 2015, 19:29
Give it a repower with something modern.
Modern to him is about 1980
Give it a repower with something modern.
He could put a wankel in it... :lol:
scumdog
23rd May 2015, 19:38
Give it a repower with something modern.
Gosh, it already has 1.3 litres of unbridled horse-power!:eek5:
BMWST?
23rd May 2015, 19:55
stick a bmw m20 in it!
Laava
23rd May 2015, 20:22
Gosh, it already has 1.3 litres of unbridled horse-power!:eek5:
Jeez, that is a small fuel tank!
spanner spinner
23rd May 2015, 21:01
http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2013/12/SE47-dR1-NSU-Wankel-f34_0038.jpg
not quite 70's but it's mate made it to the 70's
http://www.carstyling.ru/en/car/1967_nsu_ro_80/images/18293/
new question what makes these special
First NSU with a rotary engine...
So, apart from NSU, Mazda and Citroen - who else tried a rotary engine?
spanner spinner
23rd May 2015, 21:27
Yamaha, GM, Mercedes, AMC, Ford, VAS, Lada, Honda, DKW and don't forget Suzuki actually produced a production version rather than just a prototype.
spanner spinner
23rd May 2015, 21:30
shit forgot about Norton.
spanner spinner
23rd May 2015, 21:35
[QUOTE=Moi;1130866218]First NSU with a rotary engine...
first car with a rotary engine beat Mazda by a few years
FJRider
23rd May 2015, 22:46
Yamaha, GM, Mercedes, AMC, Ford, VAS, Lada, Honda, DKW and don't forget Suzuki actually produced a production version rather than just a prototype.
Alfa Romeo, Citroen, Nissan, Porsche, Rolls-Royce and Toyota all had a go too ...
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