When and why did wheelies become illegal?

[McWild]

Not a wind-up thread.

Just wondering if anyone has any history on when/how/why wheelies or any other silly activity became such a big deal in the eyes of the law? History on the first recorded instance of someone being done for one or any other activity seen as hooning these days.


Note that I know that in practice it depends on the place/time/officer involved. I'm not trying to get away with anything just curious about the exact question above.

[nodrog]

Not a wind-up thread.

Just wondering if anyone has any history on when/how/why wheelies or any other silly activity became such a big deal in the eyes of the law? History on the first recorded instance of someone being done for one or any other activity seen as hooning these days.


Note that I know that in practice it depends on the place/time/officer involved. I'm not trying to get away with anything just curious about the exact question above.

13 march 1983

[McWild]

Wow Nodrog you are so knowledgable and handsome thank you for such a fast, detailed and accurate response, 11/10 for you.

[willytheekid]

When and why did wheelies become So much fun?
Fixed that for ya :D


...as they can't possibly be illegal!...aye? :blink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Careless use of a motor vehicle. Don't ask.

[swarfie]

13 march 1983
I beg to differ...was the 14th, but then you've always been a bit premature:shifty:

When and why did wheelies become So much fun?
Fixed that for ya :D


...as they can't possibly be illegal!...aye? :blink:

:niceone::niceone::niceone:

[willytheekid]

Awesome use of a motor vehicle. Don't ask....don't tell

:facepalm:...The fuckin typos on here are seriously gettin out of hand :laugh:



Hmmm...just incase:confused:...checking

312086

Nope!...just awesomeness!:niceone: :D

[Scuba_Steve]

I'd say 14th of December 1962 & it's because TPTB actively attempt to oppress anything that could possibly be considered fun & enjoyable... Mostly through jealousy

[rastuscat]

It's coz the system doesn't understand wheelies and the skill required to do one properly.

Mind you, half the people doing them don't understand wheelies and the skill required to do them properly.

I for one don't do them, as I don't understand them and the skill required to do them properly.

I also don't care when others do wheelies, but think that if it goes wrong they have to just suck it up. It was their choice, they gotta own the consequences.

That "It happens by accident officer" shite mostly just doesn't wash.

Or why.

[Kickaha]

but then you've always been a bit premature:shifty:
That's what Stirts told me about him as well

[jellywrestler]

13 march 1983

that was a leap year so it was actually the 12th.

[jellywrestler]

That's what Stirts told me about him as well

like you've ever talked to a woman, except the ones in the mr whippy van, and at the pictures.

[rastuscat]

that was a leap year so it was actually the 12th.

In a leap year both wheels are off the ground. This is a thread about wheelies, not leaps.

[Kickaha]

like you've ever talked to a woman,

I have too, but it was a long time ago and she was drunk and it was dark and I think she mistook me for someone else

[AllanB]

Are 'leaps' considered illegal?

I did one recently when I was launched over one of Christchurch's famous earthquake repaired road works.

Actually the term road works no longer applies here - they tend to do the work on the road, but it is mostly poor work and after the road does not technically work any better. It's a pet issus with me - reseal a damaged road with dips and bumps and the new seal has the same dips and bumps .......

Someone is making a shit load of money out of our roads. Ironically one of the main contractors to the Council is a council owned business ....

I say James - fetch me a pen and paper, I feel the need to scribe a letter to the newspaper.

[yevjenko]

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That "It happens by accident officer" shite mostly just doesn't wash.



Never ridden an aprilia Tuono then? Firkin thing just doesn't like keeping the front wheel on the ground

[Grumph]

That "It happens by accident officer" shite mostly just doesn't wash.

Or why.

That excuse came in around 1970/71 when Kawasaki mach 3's appeared...and was so valid.

Currently the new big Yamaha triple won't wear out many fronts. Even I couldn't keep it down.

I'd have assumed that so long as you didn't exceed the posted speed limit and had a safe stopping distance, you were pretty safe from prosecution...
For the sake of argument, what happens if you're riding a trials bike legally on the road and feel like going everywhere at legal speeds on one wheel ?

[Night Falcon]

my wheelies are so lame I deserve to be arrested :weep:

[breakaway]

Never ridden an aprilia Tuono then? Firkin thing just doesn't like keeping the front wheel on the ground

Stop talking shit, if you can't keep both wheels on the ground firmly maybe you should sell it and buy a GN250 before you hurt yourself.

[mossy1200]

Is it still dangerous driving if the bike has wheelie control electronics?

Side note I see all new bikes sold in Europe 2016 must have ABS. Wonder if they will export unsold new non abs bikes to places like NZ to flog them off cheep.

[R650R]

Probably after Easy Rider came out and all bikers were viewed as reprehensible vagrants.

But to play Devils Attorney... what is a wheelie and what is usually happening?
The motorcycle will be accelerating severly (compared to other motorists), the front wheel will be off the ground effectively disabling the front brake, and if its a good one forward visibility will be severly obstructed.
So in short your operating in a manner other motorists are not expecting and with less brake and visibility.
And to top it off very few riders can do good proper wheelies where they are in control. Most are half baked cack handed attempts that would be good on a Viagra commercial.

I was wheelying side by side with mate once, foot slipped of peg and I removed the front indicator from his fairing on the way out to Kaiaua... inches away was his handle bar...
A mate of mine flipped his TZR and got done for careless use causing injury.

Used to love doing them but seen too many youtube wheelie gone wrong vids now :)

[Gremlin]

Is it still dangerous driving if the bike has wheelie control electronics?
That would actually be quite an interesting test case (bags not).

"But your honour, the electronics were active at the time and wouldn't let the wheel go any higher"

The bike was perfectly in control :innocent:

[puddytat]

So......how would the Feds treat the opposite of a wheelie, like someone doing the hell stoppie up to the lights I wonder?
Probably treat it anally I'd say.

[rastuscat]

So......how would the Feds treat the opposite of a wheelie, like someone doing the hell stoppie up to the lights I wonder?
Probably treat it anally I'd say.

Land Transport Act 1998 Section 37
(1)A person commits an offence if the person operates a vehicle on a road carelessly or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road.
(2)If a person is convicted of an offence against subsection (1),—
(a)the maximum penalty is a fine not exceeding $3,000; and
(b)the court may order the person to be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driver licence for such period as the court thinks fit.

The courts have defined "carelessly" as the actions of a careful and prudent driver. It's unlikely that a stoppie would be classified as anything other than careless.

Of course, you could waste a day explaining to the beaks that the stoppie was all a controlled exercise of precision riding ability, but don't be disappointed at the inevitable outcome.

Just sayin.

[FJRider]

Land Transport Act 1998 Section 37

Most of us are aware of it ...


(1)A person commits an offence if the person operates a vehicle on a road carelessly or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road.

What would be the outcome if proven consideration WAS given to (any) other road users .. ??


(2)If a person is convicted of an offence against subsection (1),—
(a)the maximum penalty is a fine not exceeding $3,000; and
(b)the court may order the person to be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driver licence for such period as the court thinks fit.

(2) is superfluous if (1) is/cannot be proved in a court of law.


The courts have defined "carelessly" as the actions of a careful and prudent driver. It's unlikely that a stoppie would be classified as anything other than careless.

How about a careful and SKILLED driver (rider) .. ??


Of course, you could waste a day explaining to the beaks that the stoppie was all a controlled exercise of precision riding ability, but don't be disappointed at the inevitable outcome.

The point of law should be based on actual (proven) facts ... not opinions of the Highway patrol or the opinion of the "Beak" ... should it not .. ??


Just sayin.

Just sayin ...

[Swoop]

(1)A person commits an offence if the person operates a vehicle on a road carelessly or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road.

Damn straight! Other road users NEED to appreciate a fucking AWESOME bike and it's sexiness, so it has to be shown off to lesser mortals (car operator's, truck drivers, pschychlists', etc, etc) so "due consideration to other road users" has been proven!
Ding! Next case your honour!:woohoo:

:ride:

[rastuscat]

Most of us are aware of it ...



What would be the outcome if proven consideration WAS given to (any) other road users .. ??



(2) is superfluous if (1) is/cannot be proved in a court of law.



How about a careful and SKILLED driver (rider) .. ??



The point of law should be based on actual (proven) facts ... not opinions of the Highway patrol or the opinion of the "Beak" ... should it not .. ??



Just sayin ...


I happen to admire a good wheelie or stoppie, as I think they display a high level of ability. But the courts are most unlikely to agree.

[Erelyes]

I tried to do one the other day, thing flipped backwards and my first instinct was to stick my feet behind me, managed to stay on my feet.

I did it on the footpath / verge outside my house to boot.

My daughter said 'cool trick, dada!'.

If the cops saw me and lit up I'd just do a runner cos the bike doesn't have a plate. :Police:

[george formby]

For the sake of argument, what happens if you're riding a trials bike legally on the road and feel like going everywhere at legal speeds on one wheel ?

Interestin. My two 2ts and the wee GG will on occasion loft the front wheel if I'm not paying attention. They really like it. Could not really defend against careless riding.
A thread on emergency braking procedure on one wheel needs to be started.

[McWild]

On the general subject, would handbrake turns follow the same criteria?

[mossy1200]

Definition - a manoeuvre on a bicycle or motorbike in which the front wheel is raised off the ground

What we need is very long fork tubes that slide out un-sprung leaving the wheel in contact with the road.

[willytheekid]

Definition - a manoeuvre on a bicycle or motorbike in which the front wheel is raised off the ground

What we need is very long fork tubes that slide out un-sprung leaving the wheel in contact with the road.

:gob:...

312191

:yes:


WTB section, here I come!:eek:

[Swoop]

On the general subject, would handbrake turns follow the same criteria?
No. Newton's seventh rule would apply here... "it's a car, so it is shit".:devil2:

[Grumph]

Definition - a manoeuvre on a bicycle or motorbike in which the front wheel is raised off the ground

What we need is very long fork tubes that slide out un-sprung leaving the wheel in contact with the road.

I've seen a pic somewhere of a guy testing a prototype set of tele forks on I think a James scrambler in the 50's - the sliders and wheel have fallen off and he's looking down with the front still up in the air....No helmet either....

[yevjenko]

Stop talking shit, if you can't keep both wheels on the ground firmly maybe you should sell it and buy a GN250 before you hurt yourself.
Go and ride one, then come back and tell me you managed to keep the front wheel on the ground all the time. Even when you think you've got it sussed, you'll find yourself accelerating down a road and hit a slight bump... front wheel in the air

[mossy1200]

Go and ride one, then come back and tell me you managed to keep the front wheel on the ground all the time. Even when you think you've got it sussed, you'll find yourself accelerating down a road and hit a slight bump... front wheel in the air

My new bikes like that. The ride by wire is so sensitive if I hit a bump in town in 2nd the throttle movement in my hand blips revs and pops the front wheel up. Clutch is so snatchy its hard to leave lights with any control also.
Still haven't worked out how to turn the sensitivity down or take it out of sport mode.
I put the usb stick instruction manual in my PC yesterday and managed to reformat it wiping its memory. Im currently trying to read Italian/pigeon English from the book.

[Big Dog]

Definition - a manoeuvre on a bicycle or motorbike in which the front wheel is raised off the ground

What we need is very long fork tubes that slide out un-sprung leaving the wheel in contact with the road.

I see you already have a working prototype. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/25/4932d3eaa4e7c2683a4ddc6c04912d04.jpg


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.