What's good learner bike?

[croozn]

hi,
new to fourm take it easy on me :)
looking at getting my bike licence in a few weeks or maybe next week. i have a rarotongan motorbike licence from when i went on holiday there earlier in the year,
now since i have this i can skip the learner and restricted licences........(all i need to do to obtain my NZ full is sit the theory test and pratical test) but in saying that i am a new rider, apart from riding trail/farm bike down at the river a few years ago,
i am wanting to get experience first out on the road before getting a big bike, i am looking at somthing between a 250cc - 1000cc nothing over 1000cc yet.
im wondering if a 250cc will be gutless with a passenger (My Wife)? let me know if im wrong. looking at this bike below. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-889637189.htm

or what other bikes should i be looking at,

cheers,

[Maha]

That bike would be perfect for yourself to learn on, as for the pillion question? Has your wife been a pillion on a road bike before? If not, best you get some road time by yourself for a while and then do a few short trips with your wife, to get used to the feeling of having some on the bike with you. A pillion can determine how the bike performs on the road if they have not been there prior, and not in a good way.

One thing I will say is, if you intend to ride with a pillion in the future, the bike you are looking at will not be overly sufficient for two-up riding, fine at first, but as time goes on you’ll figure it out.

The first time I rode with a pillion, I owned a 600 sports bike but soon wanted something bigger, I traded up to a 955 Sprint, a pleasure to ride with a pillion compared to the 600.

Keep in mind that your wife is precious cargo.

NB: My wife has been around bikes longer than I have and the first time she rode pillion she adjusted her position about 5 kms into the trip, it unsettled the bike a bit and felt really weird, when we stopped, she said she had done that on purpose so that I knew what it felt like when a pillion moves.

[The End]

I'm sure you will get plenty of responses about why or why you shouldn't buy a Hyosung.

Check out this thread on the Hyosung forums from when I was looking at purchasing the 650cc version of what you are looking at:

http://korider.com/index.php?topic=25770

Ultimately, I chose something else as I needed something reliable and the mixed reviews of the Hyosung motorcycles put me off.

A 250 will handle two people (dependant on their weight :lol:) however you may as well take advantage of a full license and get a mid-ranged size bike.

[mossy1200]

With the excessive prices of lams bikes it would be cheaper to take a Cook Island holiday and get a full licence plus a non lams bike when you return if this loop hole still applies.

[Oakie]

i have a rarotongan motorbike licence from when i went on holiday there earlier in the year,

Oh. I thought they'd closed that loophole.

Don't be in too much of a hurry to get someone important on the pillion seat. Two up is a different ball game. Just spend as much time as you can learning and practicing so we can enjoy your contributions to this forum for many years.

[FJRider]

Oh. I thought they'd closed that loophole.

I thought they had too ... I just hope the OP checked the current web page in this regard.


Don't be in too much of a hurry to get someone important on the pillion seat. Two up is a different ball game. Just spend as much time as you can learning and practicing so we can enjoy your contributions to this forum for many years.


If the said loophole exists ... getting on a non-LAM's bike (up to 1000cc)... with only scooter experience on roads with a 40 km/hr (max) speed limits .. with your dearly beloved on the pillion seat ... what could possibly go wrong .. ???

[croozn]

I thought they had too ... I just hope the OP checked the current web page in this regard.




If the said loophole exists ... getting on a non-LAM's bike (up to 1000cc)... with only scooter experience on roads with a 40 km/hr (max) speed limits .. with your dearly beloved on the pillion seat ... what could possibly go wrong .. ???


thanks guys, yea i might look at getting a bigger bike than a 250cc. will have lots of ride time bymyself first.

this loop hole still exists (asked about it at AA) but u still have to do theory and pratical to get ur NZ full.
not too sure what licence i will get if i just do the theory then pratice for a while before i do the pratical.

(from not one having experience on motorbikes can get a full NZ in a matter of months if only they have a cook island licence)

i can rent a 250cc bike if i have to use a 250 for the pratical test.

if any one can tell me what is a good bike that isnt too big cc wise to learn on dont want to buy a 250 then a few months later buy a bigger bike,

thanks

[FJRider]

this loop hole still exists (asked about it at AA) but u still have to do theory and pratical to get ur NZ full.


You have to PASS both theory and practical ... to get NZ full license.

You pay the required fee FIRST ... and then TRY ... Good luck .. ;)

[Moi]

... this loop hole still exists (asked about it at AA) but u still have to do theory and practical to get your NZ full.
not too sure what licence I will get if I just do the theory then practise for a while before I do the practical ...

If this is the case then it makes a complete mockery of the CBTA and the initiatives to improve rider skills...

Perhaps Simon Bridges could earn his weekly salary by sorting this out pronto!

[Erelyes]

SV650 would be a fair choice for a 'first bike bike' that has more than a saucer-sized pillion seat. Either naked or semi-faired version. I'd suggest you buy mine if you were in the South Island.

[FJRider]

If this is the case then it makes a complete mockery of the CBTA and the initiatives to improve rider skills...




WHY ... ?????


CBTA is not the only method to obtain a full (and totally legal) Motorcycle License in NZ.

The Parole system makes a mockery of the justice system ( in MY opinion ) I'd (personally) prefer changes made THERE first ...

[croozn]

You have to PASS both theory and practical ... to get NZ full license.

You pay the required fee FIRST ... and then TRY ... Good luck .. ;)

yes i realise that you need to pass both for full NZ
but if i just do the theory what licence type would i get learner or restricted) to get some practice before i do the pratical test

[Moi]

... CBTA is not the only method to obtain a full (and totally legal) Motorcycle License in NZ ...

Whether you approve of or not approve of the CBTA or any other licencing system is not the point, the point is allowing this loophole to continue to exist...

[croozn]

Whether you approve of or not approve of the CBTA or any other licencing system is not the point, the point is allowing this loophole to continue to exist...

in my case its not a bad loop hole ;)

[FJRider]

yes i realise that you need to pass both for full NZ
but if i just do the theory what licence type would i get learner or restricted) to get some practice before i do the pratical test

If you just pass the theory ... you get .... NOTHING ... simple ... eh .. !!!

[FJRider]

Whether you approve of or not approve of the CBTA or any other licencing system is not the point, the point is allowing this loophole to continue to exist...

IF it actually still exists ... and is still LEGAL ... there is little you or I can do to change it.

[croozn]

If you just pass the theory ... you get .... NOTHING ... simple ... eh .. !!!

i will keep you all posted about this quiery next week

[FJRider]

in my case its not a bad loop hole ;)

You have to PASS the theory and practical FIRST ... Both are on the same day. Fail one or not complete the other ... a resit of BOTH is required.

[FJRider]

i will keep you all posted about this quiery next week

It's actually query ... and I hope your riding skills are better than your grammar ... :lol:

[croozn]

You have to PASS the theory and practical FIRST ... Both are on the same day. Fail one or not complete the other ... a resit of BOTH is required.

nope the lady said they not on the same day,
i go and sit theory then ride around get used to riding a bike ect..... then go and sit pratical test

[croozn]

It's actually query ... and I hope your riding skills are better than you grammar ... :lol:

oh yes sorry, thats why inglish wasnt my fav topic at school, oh english

[FJRider]

nope the lady said they not on the same day,
i go and sit theory then ride around get used to riding a bike ect..... then go and sit pratical test

So ... how long between .. ???

[croozn]

So ... how long between .. ???

until i am ready to sit the full pratical test

[FJRider]

until i am ready to sit the full pratical test

Untill then ... you ride on a Rarotonga license ... correct .. ?? As you have NOT reached ANY NZ license pass level.

[croozn]

Untill then ... you ride on a Rarotonga license ... correct .. ?? As you have NOT reached ANY NZ license pass level.

i am not too sure, will keep ya posted next week

[FJRider]

i am not too sure, will keep ya posted next week

How long before the Raro license expires .. ??

[croozn]

How long before the Raro license expires .. ??

august next year

[FJRider]

august next year

12 months on any overseas license is the maximum allowed in New Zealand. Thats 12 months from when you arrived in country.

[croozn]

If you just pass the theory ... you get .... NOTHING ... simple ... eh .. !!!

going for my theory test tomorrow morning,
feeling nervous :(
i got did some test sheets online the last few days and have it all down packed, so hopefully ill be all sweet.

also will give you guys an update on what type of licence i will get.

cheers

[FJRider]

going for my theory test tomorrow morning,
feeling nervous :(
i got did some test sheets online the last few days and have it all down packed, so hopefully ill be all sweet.

also will give you guys an update on what type of licence i will get.

cheers

untill you pass both stages of a license test .. you get/have what you started with. A Raro license.

Not dissimilar to a wheetbix license ...

[eldog]

going for my theory test tomorrow morning,
feeling nervous :(
i got did some test sheets online the last few days and have it all down packed, so hopefully ill be all sweet.

also will give you guys an update on what type of licence i will get.

cheers

Take your time READ the questions. RE READ questions

Some questions similar to sample ones.

Just take your time no rush.
good luck:niceone:

[eldog]

Whether you approve of or not approve of the CBTA or any other licencing system is not the point, the point is allowing this loophole to continue to exist...
CBTA 12month wait for full. You should get some pointers about riding when you do this. Both these things supposed to be incentives
Std path 18 month. No help

[mossy1200]

Not dissimilar to a wheetbix license ...

I got a lifetime licence once on destruction proof paper. Few years later I had to pay to get a photo ID licence that lasted 10years max. I think a wheetbix license would be worth more than the lifetime licence I once had.

[croozn]

CBTA 12month wait for full. You should get some pointers about riding when you do this. Both these things supposed to be incentives
Std path 18 month. No help

dont have to wait for the 18 months, they said i can do the full test when i am ready

[Moi]

I got a lifetime licence once on destruction proof paper. Few years later I had to pay to get a photo ID licence that lasted 10years max. I think a wheetbix license would be worth more than the lifetime licence I once had.

I. like many others on here, am old enough to remember the book we got in the olden days... mine was issued by the local borough council traffic department after being tested by the chief traffic officer of the borough...

[eldog]

dont have to wait for the 18 months, they said i can do the full test when i am ready

Luckly. I took the CBTA path.
learnt a lot
good luck matey

[FJRider]

I got a lifetime licence once on destruction proof paper. Few years later I had to pay to get a photo ID licence that lasted 10years max. I think a wheetbix license would be worth more than the lifetime licence I once had.

I think you might be correct .. :laugh:

[croozn]

untill you pass both stages of a license test .. you get/have what you started with. A Raro license.

Not dissimilar to a wheetbix license ...

ok..... done my theory test this morning and passed with flying colours,
now with the debate on what type of licence i will get with the cook island conversion is........ wait for it.................
a class 6 Full!!!!! yes thats right a full class 6

they took my photo and had to surrender my current full drivers licence so i will have a new one in the post.
on the paper temp licence its has been ticked for a class 6 F

[mossy1200]

Maintain it would be cheaper to go to Cook Islands and get licence and holiday then come back and save money buying a bike too big to be lams approved. Must save at least 2k on the bike side of the deal.

[FJRider]

ok..... done my theory test this morning and passed with flying colours,
now with the debate on what type of licence i will get with the cook island conversion is........ wait for it.................
a class 6 Full!!!!! yes thats right a full class 6

they took my photo and had to surrender my current full drivers licence so i will have a new one in the post.
on the paper temp licence its has been ticked for a class 6 F

Nice one ... so you don't need the practical if you have the 6F then ... ??


I don't really mind being proved wrong (it's happened before .. :blank:)

[croozn]

Nice one ... so you don't need the practical if you have the 6F then ... ??


I don't really mind being proved wrong (it's happened before .. :blank:)

to be honest im not too sure, will have to wait and see what i get in the mail, it may have conditions on it. hope not

[JayDNZ]

to be honest im not too sure, will have to wait and see what i get in the mail, it may have conditions on it. hope not

So has your license arrived yet? Interested to find out what u got. Hope you take everyone's advice and learn to ride solo first. Look up "ride for life" training, it's ACC subsidized, only $50 for a full day 8hrs professional training, would be well worth doing... did u buy a bike yet?

[jonnyk5614]

Wait and see what comes in the post.

I took my CBTA full pass certificate in early, thinking I could apply early. I got a paper full then a phone call from a manager at NZTA going "yeah - AA fucked up. I've mailed you a replacement restricted and send out the full in a month".

"
Can you drive in New Zealand?

You can drive in New Zealand if:

you hold a driver licence or driving permit from another country and:
your overseas licence or driver permit is current and valid, and
you've not received a disqualification or suspension in New Zealand, and
you entered New Zealand less than 12 months ago, and
your overseas licence is in English; if it's not, you must have an accurate translation, and
you've not been granted a New Zealand driver licence, and
you have not renewed, requalified or reinstated a New Zealand driver licence since you last entered New Zealand.
"

You've been granted a New Zealand driver license already.
No conversion allowed.
Suck it up and do some proper training and CBTA tests. Why you'd want to ride without a legitimately obtained license, I don't know...

[Tazz]

You've been granted a New Zealand driver license already.
No conversion allowed.
Suck it up and do some proper training and CBTA tests. Why you'd want to ride without a legitimately obtained license, I don't know...


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That is to DRIVE with your foreign license in NZ, unless you can find exactly where it says you can't convert it...bet you a chocolate fush you can't... :bleh:

How is going and passing a test for your 6F not legitimately obtaining a license...?

[Dradd]

I work for NZTA. When converting an overseas licence to a NZ class 6 licence from a non-exempt country (such as Rarotonga) A class 6 theory test and a class 6 full driving test is required to complete the application. After completing the theory test you will be awarded with a 6L until the driving test is passed.

As for driving in NZ on an overseas licence, you can, but only if you have no NZ driver licence.

Just FYI :)

[Oakie]

I. like many others on here, am old enough to remember the book we got in the olden days... mine was issued by the local borough council traffic department after being tested by the chief traffic officer of the borough...

And having to go back every year(?) to get a new sticker in you licence book to allow you to carry on driving.

[Moi]

And having to go back every year(?) to get a new sticker in you licence book to allow you to carry on driving.

That's right, forgotten about that part... I think they changed it to either two years or five years before we got the "lifetime licences"...

Also, having to re-licence the car each year and it was all done in June - IIRC - until the current system of licencing began... Used to be queues at the local Post Office [remember those places?] to re-licence the car and at the local driver licence issuing authority which for us was the local borough council offices...

Ah, the good old days...

[Oakie]

That's right, forgotten about that part... I think they changed it to either two years or five years before we got the "lifetime licences"...

Also, having to re-licence the car each year and it was all done in June - IIRC - until the current system of licencing began... Used to be queues at the local Post Office [remember those places?] to re-licence the car and at the local driver licence issuing authority which for us was the local borough council offices...

Ah, the good old days...

Yes. I worked the motor registration counter on a few of those Junes and was the supervisor for the last one I did. We used to dread the last day of June at we'd do about 20% of the months regos on that day.
What about the old 'Carless Days' stickers?. People used to apply for exemptions to their chosen day to go without. Best excuse I received was from an Asian woman who had nominated Saturday as her carless day but then applied for an exemption to it because "I need go horse races on Saturday"