Ticket for no rego - withdrawn.

[jaykay]

A friend was taking his unregistered bike for reregistration (been out for 3 years) - and gets stopped by two police as they notice the rego had run out.

Bearing in mind this has all been prebooked, for some unknown reason the cops decide to give him a ticket for no rego - and not for lack of a warrant - seeming to forget you can't get rego without a warrant. (and the bike was never parked on the road).

At my suggestion he wrote in with an explanation - and of course "requested a hearing"

Summons duly came through, the date being 10am today.

Turned up at court...to find the case had been withdrawn a month ago.

Why do the police find it so difficult to actually tell anyone when they withdraw? Idiots.

At least the three speeding offences the police have withdrawn against me they have had the decency to tell me (the evening before).

Unlike the summons I had for "theft of a wheelclamp", everyone finally assembled at court (where I could prove I didn't do it), only to find the case had been withdrawn...and the police (yet again) hadn't bothered to tell anyone. Must have cost the legal aid fund a few thousand dollars, totally due to police incompetence.

[AllanB]

I'd be more worried about the amount of times you are getting summoned mate......

As for your 'friend' and his rego - suck it up he dodged a very legal fine.
Fact the bike had not been registered for three years.
Fact he was riding it on the road.
Thus braking the law.

I bet every cop who pulls over a vehicle without current rego hears the line 'I was just on my way to get it done.....'

It was most likely dropped because the $200 fine would have cost $1000 of police time to defend (and win).

But I do agree - if they are dropping them, notify in advance.

[JimO]

why didnt they give him compliance?

[Latte]

why didnt they give him compliance?

Maaaaybe attitude test, probably why the withdrawal notice was also missing.

Still a c*nty thing to do from the police officers in question.

[Maha]

''A friend was taking his unregistered bike for registration (been out for 3 years) - and gets stopped by two police as they notice the rego had run out.
Bearing in mind this has all been prebooked, for some unknown reason the cops decide to give him a ticket for no rego - and not for lack of a warrant - seeming to forget you can't get rego without a warrant''.


At the time of stopping the motorcyclist, the bike was not registered, hence the ticket, I am guessing the bike had a warrant (hence the no ticket for that) because, why would anyone attempt to register a vehicle without a warrant? all good so far.
Only a courtesy to notify not law.

''At my suggestion he wrote in with an explanation - and of course "requested a hearing"

Win/win for your mate, he wrote in, and frankly the courts probably can't be arsed with such a nothing case.

[pritch]

why didnt they give him compliance?

Typically they offer compliance if the rego or whatever is recently expired. Perhaps only a geologist would consider three years to be "recent". :whistle:

[IkieBikie]

How do you pre book a registration???

Are you sure the WOF wasnt pre booked???

[rastuscat]

Sounds like BS to me.

[scumdog]

How do you pre book a registration???

Are you sure the WOF wasnt pre booked???

AND it can be done on-line anyway - don't even have to leave the driveway to do it.;)

[russd7]

AND it can be done on-line anyway - don't even have to leave the driveway to do it.;)

only if ya bike has a current warrant, other problem is havin to wait for the damned thing to arrive in the mail and with all this talk of you fella's helping the parking wardens and giving out tickets for incorrectly displayed regos one must ride to town to get regoed, (i think thats what i meant)

you goin to the brass?

[jaykay]

Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well.

The registration number of the bike hadn't been put on hold three years ago - and had hence been cancelled.

On the way to get the an inspection and a new registration number, a policeman gave a ticket for no "rego", ie vehicle licence - which cannot be purchased without a WOF. No WOF can be issued until the bike had been inspected.

The policeman concerned simply wasted time and resources in issuing a ticket which shouldn't have been issued, and the police were discourteous not to inform the "defendant", the summons had been withdrawn.

[rastuscat]

Problem is about every second person stopped for expired reg or wof says they are just on their way to do it. The BS the cops get is what fecks us all over.

[Tazz]

Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well.

The registration number of the bike hadn't been put on hold three years ago - and had hence been cancelled.

On the way to get the an inspection and a new registration number, a policeman gave a ticket for no "rego", ie vehicle licence - which cannot be purchased without a WOF. No WOF can be issued until the bike had been inspected.

The policeman concerned simply wasted time and resources in issuing a ticket which shouldn't have been issued, and the police were discourteous not to inform the "defendant", the summons had been withdrawn.
'Legally' then it should have been on a trailer.

If it was indeed booked in for compliance the fuzz could have checked quicker than the time it takes to sort out a ticket, if they wanted to...

[jonnyk5614]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/registration/re-registering.html

"Need to move your vehicle before you have the new plates and label?

Your vehicle will need to be towed or transported. You cannot drive your vehicle on the road until the re-registration process is complete."

Law is the law mate.

[Jase W]

I bet all you guys saying tough shit break your fair share of laws :)

[Erelyes]

Bearing in mind this has all been prebooked, for some unknown reason the cops decide to give him a ticket for no rego - and not for lack of a warrant - seeming to forget you can't get rego without a warrant.

SO FUCKING WHAT. You had no rego, the is 'no rego'. Whether you have a WOF or not is irrelevant dipshit.


Turned up at court...to find the case had been withdrawn a month ago.

Why do the police find it so difficult to actually tell anyone when they withdraw? Idiots.

At least the three speeding offences the police have withdrawn against me they have had the decency to tell me (the evening before).

I hear they don't tell people they're withdrawing, if said people are fuckwits that constantly request court hearings for things they're guilty of.

:tugger:

[Erelyes]

I bet all you guys saying tough shit break your fair share of laws :)

Yeah, but some people don't act like princesses when caught.

[Moise]

So if I put the rego on hold and the wof runs out, how do I get a new wof?

Maybe someone could start a mobile wof service? :)

[rastuscat]

why didnt they give him compliance?

Outside the compliance policy.

[Gremlin]

So if I put the rego on hold and the wof runs out, how do I get a new wof?

Maybe someone could start a mobile wof service? :)
You can drive / ride the vehicle for the sole purpose of getting issues fixed (assuming it hasn't been ordered off the road, as then it's transported only).

You do have to have a current WOF to get rego.

I ended up in a catch 22. I failed a WOF because a piece in the headlight broke, affecting the throw. The replacement arrived broken in the same way and I was riding the bike back and forth from dealer to not get the work done etc. During that time the rego also ran out, and I couldn't update... I didn't act stupid, didn't get pulled over and never rode it but for the purpose of taking to dealer to get headlight replaced... I figured my reasoning would be good enough...

[haydes55]

The ticket is for "not displaying a current registration" chuck the rego from your car on the bike. I doubt a parking warden would think twice and you might get a blonde cop.

[nodrog]

..... Or do they pass the money collected onto the police which I doubt.

that's exactly what happens, the local body only gets a percentage of the fine.

[pritch]

that's exactly what happens, the local body only gets a percentage of the fine.

Which might explain why the local body fine is higher than the Police fine for the same offence?

[Erelyes]

So if I put the rego on hold and the wof runs out, how do I get a new wof?

Maybe someone could start a mobile wof service? :)

They have these things called trailers. They're particularly worthwhile in moving material which has been sitting for umpteen years with barely a passing thought.


The ticket is for "not displaying a current registration" chuck the rego from your car on the bike. I doubt a parking warden would think twice and you might get a blonde cop.

And then get an infringement for 'Displayed other than authorised motor vehicle license' *slow clap*


Which might explain why the local body fine is higher than the Police fine for the same offence?

There's no 'local body' and 'police'. There is stationary (local body AND police) and moving (police only).

Stationary doesn't carry demerits, but other than that, no idea why it's higher.


I said it was Wilson Parking (in ChCh anyway) who require a WOF and Reg on cars in their carparks. Wilson Parking are a private company not associated with any local body and they do impose fines or offense fees. for expired parking so I would imagine for Reg & WOF as well.

Yes, problem being, they have no legal remit to issue REG/WOF fines as they are not a council/ the police.

The best they could do is try using civil law, which is much more difficult to enforce.

[Gremlin]

Yes, problem being, they have no legal remit to issue REG/WOF fines as they are not a council/ the police.

The best they could do is try using civil law, which is much more difficult to enforce.
In Auckland at least they just let parking enforcement services onto their property and enforce rules (I've seen them in parking garages). From memory there is something about parking in public places making you free game...

[nodrog]

Which might explain why the local body fine is higher than the Police fine for the same offence?

You're onto it.


I said it was Wilson Parking (in ChCh anyway) who require a WOF and Reg on cars in their carparks. Wilson Parking are a private company not associated with any local body and they do impose fines or offense fees. for expired parking so I would imagine for Reg & WOF as well.

you're not.

[Tazz]

In Auckland at least they just let parking enforcement services onto their property and enforce rules (I've seen them in parking garages). From memory there is something about parking in public places making you free game...

Technically a parking building is private property I believe, so there would be decent ground to fight a ticket like that if you could be arsed.

If the actual parking company issued one, you could safely throw it in the bin.

[rambaldi]

In Auckland at least they just let parking enforcement services onto their property and enforce rules (I've seen them in parking garages). From memory there is something about parking in public places making you free game...

Sometimes the parking areas are run by the council but a slightly different Wilsons company looks after all the machines (ie imports them from Austria and services them when people fuck up and drive straight into the barriers).

[nodrog]

.....If the actual parking company issued one, you could safely throw it in the bin.

Until they pointed out the terms and conditions of using their premises.

[Tazz]

Until they pointed out the terms and conditions of using their premises.

Was going to mention that, but just because something is on a sign doesn't mean the property owners have instant legal grounds to enforce it.
Anyone can put a small sign on their boundary saying that by entering the property you agree to paying $50 for each step, $200 for not carrying a pink sun hat etc etc but good luck enforcing it. Obviously being car related and a parking building it seems more in line and reasonable, but it's not necessarily, it's you just accept it more easily.

Parking involving a contract (where you lease it etc) might be a different story.

Where they will catch you is trying to get you to pay it before they will open the gate for you, which complicates things.

I have had a trumped up invoice for work go as far as Baycorp before. It left the ass hats with a substantial bill for their lawyers, and I'm not sure what Baycorp charged them for the time either.

[Tazz]

You would learn to accept their terms too if you ignored a sign that said unauthorised vehicles can be towed at owners expense. Failing to take notice of the signage can be very expensive. If parking rules could not be enforced on private land anyones property could be suject to strangers using it as a carpark. My only gripe is their terms of adding no reg and WOF to their parking charges.

Removing your property from their private property is quite different to a private enterprise trying to enforce traffic laws on private property.
(Mind you, it's just popped into my head that they may be able to do it through some bullshit insurance angle? Seems to be all the rage these days.)

Even then there are somewhat strict rules around towing, including who can do it, why and from where. They can be hard to fight when your property can essentially be held ransom though.

Bureaucracy is awesome huh.

[MarkH]

that's exactly what happens, the local body only gets a percentage of the fine.

Yeah, but it's a big percentage - 50%.

So in Auckland a warden could fine you $12 for being parked a few minutes too long, but get no wof, no reg - $400 fine which the council gets to keep $200 of.
Some may be surprised that the council gives out these fines, but I am not.

[RDJ]

Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well.

The registration number of the bike hadn't been put on hold three years ago - and had hence been cancelled.

On the way to get the an inspection and a new registration number, a policeman gave a ticket for no "rego", ie vehicle licence - which cannot be purchased without a WOF. No WOF can be issued until the bike had been inspected.

The policeman concerned simply wasted time and resources in issuing a ticket which shouldn't have been issued, and the police were discourteous not to inform the "defendant", the summons had been withdrawn.

Yes, it is the classic government mandated Catch-22. You can't buy a registration until you have a warrant. Online or otherwise. If you are stopped on the way to VINZ you won't have a registration because you cannot. A simple and excellent revenue earning / quota meeting opportunity, despite the Usual Suspects saying it's BS.

[Gremlin]

Just looked at the Wilson Website and they say nothing about being able to issue a Breach Notice (fine by any other name) for no reg or WOF so why would they require a reg and WOF for parking? You would think if they sent you a breach notice for no WOF reg they would not be able to enfore it as it has nothing to do with parking duration management.
This (and other matters) have arisen before. The parking companies have actually sent breach notices out, but they're not really legally enforceable like tickets from police etc. I think some have been covered in threads on here, also fair go etc.

As said, they allow parking wardens to do it (I know as I've challenged someone walking around a vehicle before, and they were a warden). Now, legally, exactly how that works I'm not sure. I know if you're parked in public you're fair game, but is a public park on private property "public parking". Would have to look up the laws...

[Tazz]

As far as the legal enforceability of breach notices go they say on their website that there has been a challenge in the Disputes Tribunal and they were found to be enforceable. I guess this would fall under the rights of property owners to impose whatever terms they felt like for parking on their land.

It would for terms related to the service they provide, nothing else.
My stupid example above for example, charging you $50 per step wouldn't fly because it is clearly ridiculous, not related to the service of renting a space to park and use of whatever facilities are provided with that.

I believe the fees for overstaying your prepaid park have been challenged and beaten as well because the service provider has to prove that the charges are related to their own costs, and therefore fair.

An example of fighting unreasonable charges like these are the class action suits against banks for 'dishonoured' and OD payments. They were/are charging up to $25 for you trying to spend money that wasn't there/in that specific account. Numerous banks are now losing numerous lawsuits based on the fact the cost to them was only cents (if that) so $25 was, is, essentially price gouging and unreasonable, and as it turns out illegal.

[caseye]

It would for terms related to the service they provide, nothing else.
My stupid example above for example, charging you $50 per step wouldn't fly because it is clearly ridiculous, not related to the service of renting a space to park and use of whatever facilities are provided with that.

I believe the fees for overstaying your prepaid park have been challenged and beaten as well because the service provider has to prove that the charges are related to their own costs, and therefore fair.

An example of fighting unreasonable charges like these are the class action suits against banks for 'dishonoured' and OD payments. They were/are charging up to $25 for you trying to spend money that wasn't there/in that specific account. Numerous banks are now losing numerous lawsuits based on the fact the cost to them was only cents (if that) so $25 was, is, essentially price gouging and unreasonable, and as it turns out illegal.


Sure is and what would SHE know!