Dyno/Tuning in Auckland?

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I'm looking at purchasing a Power Commander III USB for my Hornet 900 and have read that in order to get the best use out of the PC3 one should dyno their bike and adjust the maps accordingly.

The Hornet runs rich from stock and having installed aftermarket slip ons I thought it may be time to get things sorted out.

As someone who has no idea about any of this sort of stuff, where do people recommend to go for this sort of stuff in the wider Auckland area?

[Gremlin]

Just be aware that a mate had a PC in his CB919 and it eventually failed while the bike was fine... took a while to get to the bottom of the problem too :D

Re Tuning, TripleZee is out Takanini way from memory, Red Baron has a dyno I think but not a great reputation, and AMPS has one I think?

[nzspokes]

Just be aware that a mate had a PC in his CB919 and it eventually failed while the bike was fine... took a while to get to the bottom of the problem too :D

Re Tuning, TripleZee is out Takanini way from memory, Red Baron has a dyno I think but not a great reputation, and AMPS has one I think?

Most faults with PCs are bad fitment. Use a bad connection to the loom and bad earths. Common on 919s.

R&R powersports over the Shore would be your best bet. Expect to pay $600 plus tax.

Not sure Triplezee has the dyno running but could be wrong on this.

[Shaun Harris]

Power commander failures are NORMALLY due the connection they supply for the Fuel line wire! Just never use there crimping devise supplied, hard soldier it proffesionally and that will NEVER fail

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[Voltaire]

Trustme gets his race Triumph done up at Albany.

Race & Recreation Powersports


261 Wright Rd Dairy Flat 0794

09-444 8101

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R&R powersports over the Shore would be your best bet. Expect to pay $600 plus tax.



For only a dyno or including the price of a power commander?

I've looked online and there are a ton of readily available maps for the 919.

My understanding is a dyno will show your fuel/air mixture ratio over a given set of RPMs meaning you can try different maps to see what alleviates any bad spots that occur?

[nzspokes]

For only a dyno or including the price of a power commander?

I've looked online and there are a ton of readily available maps for the 919.

My understanding is a dyno will show your fuel/air mixture ratio over a given set of RPMs meaning you can try different maps to see what alleviates any bad spots that occur?

For the dyno work to set the PC up for your bike. Not one in the US. Remember the US has different atmospheric conditions to here, US setups are often way off.

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For the dyno work to set the PC up for your bike. Not one in the US. Remember the US has different atmospheric conditions to here, US setups are often way off.

Good point - had no idea it would be that expensive though. May be better to spend that money upgrading the suspension.

The PC3 was more of an idea to try and fix how rich the bike runs and clear out the low end jumpy-ness.

[nzspokes]

Good point - had no idea it would be that expensive though. May be better to spend that money upgrading the suspension.

The PC3 was more of an idea to try and fix how rich the bike runs and clear out the low end jumpy-ness.

Bike runs rich in some places and lean others. I would put the money into a good shock setup and a fork re-valve.

[pritch]

I had a custom map made for my 919 at AMPS. They did a good job, they might still do a Honda I don't know. I was advised at the time that there are a few of these dynos around but the results will be largely dependent on the skill of the operator.

[Gremlin]

The Hornet isn't the most fuel efficient around, especially not compared to the newest fuel sippers... but I've found the engine quite smooth, good torque down low, power higher up etc.

$600 won't do much in suspension, but yes, stock, the Hornet's suspension definitely came from the budget bin. Mine has Ohlins rear shock ($2k+) and the fork internals were re-done last year which has helped balance the better rear shock.

Also consider wide bars if you don't already have them, which helps with handling.

[nzspokes]

The Hornet isn't the most fuel efficient around, especially not compared to the newest fuel sippers... but I've found the engine quite smooth, good torque down low, power higher up etc.

$600 won't do much in suspension, but yes, stock, the Hornet's suspension definitely came from the budget bin. Mine has Ohlins rear shock ($2k+) and the fork internals were re-done last year which has helped balance the better rear shock.

Also consider wide bars if you don't already have them, which helps with handling.

$600 will get you a reworked CBR600 F3 shock with a new piston and spring setup for your bike form Daugherty Motorsports. Then for the cost of 2 1mm drill bits and some fork oil you can have a fork that works much better.

Our 1200 Bandit gets better fuel economy than my old Hornet ever did.

[jonnyk5614]

AMPS say they have upgraded their dyno and it won't do Power Commander any more.
He said call Lincoln on 027 273 1989 - on the Shore apparently?


Re the US/NZ comparison for the online maps:
My GSXR came preloaded with a map for a two brothers slip on exhaust. It seemed to be a bit rich and was lumpy on idle.

I installed the map for Yoshimura slip on from PC website, although this presumed that I had excluded the SET valve.
I actually have a Yoshimura bolt on (SET valve still in place) but that set-up was only available for "European models".

Emailed PC and they said the use the euro one. They thought euro GSXRs would be no different for NZ ones.


I find this map smoother (it has stopped trying to pop wheelies every twist). I can't tell if it is more powerful really because it is a thou and still insanely awesome regardless! The only one to get a nice idle was the yoshimura slip on.

Any advice?

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AMPS say they have upgraded their dyno and it won't do Power Commander any more.
He said call Lincoln on 027 273 1989 - on the Shore apparently?


Re the US/NZ comparison for the online maps:
My GSXR came preloaded with a map for a two brothers slip on exhaust. It seemed to be a bit rich and was lumpy on idle.

I installed the map for Yoshimura slip on from PC website, although this presumed that I had excluded the SET valve.
I actually have a Yoshimura bolt on (SET valve still in place) but that set-up was only available for "European models".

Emailed PC and they said the use the euro one. They thought euro GSXRs would be no different for NZ ones.


I find this map smoother (it has stopped trying to pop wheelies every twist). I can't tell if it is more powerful really because it is a thou and still insanely awesome regardless! The only one to get a nice idle was the yoshimura slip on.

Any advice?

Cheers mate, was never aiming to squeeze more power out of it more so just to smooth out the power delivery and richness.

[breakaway]

(it has stopped trying to pop wheelies every twist).

Sounds like a step in the wrong direction to be honest :Oops:

[jonnyk5614]

Sounds like a step in the wrong direction to be honest :Oops:

Ordinarily, yes, but dailying it around Auckland this past week....
Now the sun is back I'll load the old map back in :D

[Dave-]

Remember the US has different atmospheric conditions to here, US setups are often way off.

Could you elaborate a wee bit on this?

[nzspokes]

Could you elaborate a wee bit on this?

Dyno tuner here I spoke to said that many setups from the US dont work here. They are often to rich. He has to lean them off.

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Could you elaborate a wee bit on this?

I believe something along the lines of the air, elevation (height above sea level) and their fuel types change the adjustments they make on the power commander maps - meaning that what may be 'perfect' there will not perform the same here.

[Dave-]

Dyno tuner here I spoke to said that many setups from the US dont work here. They are often to rich. He has to lean them off.

Interesting, I'll talk to my guys and see what they say. I find with this stuff getting an answer from heaps of experienced guys seems to work the best. I'll let you know what they say.


I believe something along the lines of the air, elevation (height above sea level) and their fuel types change the adjustments they make on the power commander maps - meaning that what may be 'perfect' there will not perform the same here.

I hear ya about elevation, Colorado is +1000m, which implies that there's 10% less air. Interesting that Power Commander doesn't have barometric pressure correction.

Aside from elevation, how else do you think air differs in the USA? And what differences in fuel types need to be accounted for?

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I hear ya about elevation, Colorado is +1000m, which implies that there's 10% less air. Interesting that Power Commander doesn't have barometric pressure correction.

Aside from elevation, how else do you think air differs in the USA? And what differences in fuel types need to be accounted for?

Don't know an awful lot about it except that in the US 85 is quite common whereas we only go to 91 (in most cases) in NZ. Also pretty sure they have different additives in their fuel?

I think the gist of it is that while each of the components that change a fuel map may only be small, all together they add up and can result in a different map per region.

[nzspokes]

Don't know an awful lot about it except that in the US 85 is quite common whereas we only go to 91 (in most cases) in NZ. Also pretty sure they have different additives in their fuel?

I think the gist of it is that while each of the components that change a fuel map may only be small, all together they add up and can result in a different map per region.

I believe they use a different fuel standard to us, we use Ron I think it is. But Im no expert on this so will defer to those that no better.

[Gremlin]

I believe they use a different fuel standard to us, we use Ron I think it is. But Im no expert on this so will defer to those that no better.
US often has MON, some places use (MON+RON)/2 and rarely RON.

Yay when you're trying to figure out what's premium for your European bike :crazy:

[jonnyk5614]

Interesting, I'll talk to my guys and see what they say. I find with this stuff getting an answer from heaps of experienced guys seems to work the best. I'll let you know what they say.



I hear ya about elevation, Colorado is +1000m, which implies that there's 10% less air. Interesting that Power Commander doesn't have barometric pressure correction.

Aside from elevation, how else do you think air differs in the USA? And what differences in fuel types need to be accounted for?

My Gixxer has barometric pressure correction in the stock setup though.
Power Commander is only adjusting the stock map up or down. Presumably, the barometric differences are not completely lost by using PC.

[jonnyk5614]

Don't know an awful lot about it except that in the US 85 is quite common whereas we only go to 91 (in most cases) in NZ. Also pretty sure they have different additives in their fuel?

I think the gist of it is that while each of the components that change a fuel map may only be small, all together they add up and can result in a different map per region.

The US measure their gas differently. 85 could be either MON or (R+M)/2. 85MON is about 95Ron. 85 (R+M)/2 is about 93RON.