Grumpy Motorcycle Police in Christchurch?

[nzspokes]

Was somebody having a bad day or was this guy in the middle of the road? Should the tourists have been ticketed or was the cop right?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/69461860/christchurch-cyclist-alex-mann-fined-for-impeding-traffic

[Maha]

I thought rastus had given it away?

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting.

I remember a debate between Myself and Bogan about Claiming the Lane, it seems the Chch Police take the same line that I do (there is no legal right to claim the lane)

Would be interesting to see if it goes to Court, as there could well be a legal precedent set.

[nzspokes]

I thought rastus had given it away?

I believe this was October last year.

[Katman]

Would be interesting to see if it goes to Court, as there could well be a legal precedent set.

You didn't read the article, did you?

[TheDemonLord]

You didn't read the article, did you?

Admitedly, I didn't read it all, I re-read it and now feel like a bit of a Knob.

Except that it does somewhat prove my arguement in another thread

[willytheekid]

So good to see the cyclist is getting murdered in the STUFF comments...and our Rastuscats lad is getting praised!:headbang:


...guys just an ignorant douche!

[EJK]

How hard is it to overtake a cyclist going at 20kph? But then it's a different story if they were going down hill.

Surprised the Asians weren't ticketed for "dangerous/ careless driving" trying to overtake on a blind corner.

[Banditbandit]

You didn't read the article, did you?

KBer ... what did you expect ???

[TheDemonLord]

KBer ... what did you expect ???

Yep - Guilty of Skim reading and not readng it in its entirety.

[Asher]

Pretty much every time I ride/drive be that road there is some self righteous Lycra warrior making it impossible for traffic to get past. That road isn't safe for cyclists so fuck everyone of them that feels it's their right to impede traffic and create dangerous situations for other road users.

[imdying]

Having that many cameras attached to their vehicle tells you all you need to know about Mr LookAtMe. When it's pointing at your ball sack, you can't even plead it's there to record dangerous drivers. Maybe they're just for the interview and supplied by the reporter, but by the sound of him it's not.

[Scuba_Steve]

My 1st thought was "Good" but reading the article it came across the Asian's should have been done not the deadly peadly. But then to make informed decision guess we'd need the other view

[rastuscat]

One point to note.

The surname of the author of the article is the same as the cyclists surname.

Conflict of interest? I suspect so.

It also appears that the journo heard one side of the story and didn't bother to seek out the other side. Investigative journalism at its best.

[Mike.Gayner]

Pretty much every time I ride/drive be that road there is some self righteous Lycra warrior making it impossible for traffic to get past. That road isn't safe for cyclists so fuck everyone of them that feels it's their right to impede traffic and create dangerous situations for other road users.

Yeah, your right to get to your destination 2.5 minutes earlier is much more important than a cyclists ride to stay alive.

The fact that this happens to you "pretty much every time" you use the road, you'd think by now you'd allow a few extra minutes and just chill the fuck out. But obviously you're just not very smart.

[Mike.Gayner]

One point to note.

The surname of the author of the article is the same as the cyclists surname.

Conflict of interest? I suspect so.

It also appears that the journo heard one side of the story and didn't bother to seek out the other side. Investigative journalism at its best.

There's a disclosure at the bottom of the article - your inability to read is probably why instead of getting a real job you've just sucked the government tit for so long.

[Flip]

I used to drive this road twice a day nd the Lycra louts dont get any simpathy from this road user.

I witnessed this unfold http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3272878/Dyers-Pass-cyclist-attacked and did speak to the rozza about the cyclists who was doing a mobile road block until an old couple finally got past him. Unprovoked my ass. In this case the lout got owned by a old man.

[James Deuce]

There's a disclosure at the bottom of the article - your inability to read is probably why instead of getting a real job you've just sucked the government tit for so long.

Wasn't there when I read the article at 5am.

[george formby]

I just wish more mobile chicanes were being ticketed & reported. If cyclists choose to regularly ride roads knowing that at times they will hold up traffic then their will be consequences at some point. Sods law.

I have nuttin against saddle chafers just inconsiderate or oblivious road hogs in general.

The pedlars should take a leaf out of our book, anticipate and avoid potentially hazardous situations. Their skin is on the line, too.

Whats the speed limit on that road? Be buggered if you would catch me risking being closely overtaken by huge big metal things with no escape route as I wobbled up a hill. I would buy an exercycle.

We have a legal right they say. Fair enough, but putting your life into somebody else's hands.... Hmmmmmmm. Not my cup of milo.

I've also noticed that vehicles with bikes hanging off the back obscuring the number plate and often rear view mirror are generally driven badly.
Just sayin.

[willytheekid]

Wasn't there when I read the article at 5am.

bang on!...it wasn't!

And out all the people I trust for accurate information and honest truth...Rastuscat is at the top of a very short list!

Ignorance of the law and lack of defensive riding skills is the core problem with this cyclist...defending him just makes no sense at all...he's in the wrong as proven by a well respected ChCh popo, and a court!

...fuck em!, cyclist needs an attitude adjustment and some defensive rider training!...before his poorly chosen actions on the road gets himself killed!

[Swoop]

My 1st thought was "Good" but reading the article it came across the Asian's should have been done not the deadly peadly.

I can imagine the asian sitting in the vehicle filming the twat. "Look at this! He doesn't even have a cargo of chickens on his bicycle yet is still pathetically slow riding up this puny hill! Fluckin' round-eyed plick! And WHAT is he wearing!"

Hopefully their footage is providing plenty of mirth to their friends.:clap:

[george formby]

I can imagine the asian sitting in the vehicle filming the twat. "Look at this! He doesn't even have a cargo of chickens on his bicycle yet is still pathetically slow riding up this puny hill! Fluckin' round-eyed plick! And WHAT is he wearing!"

Hopefully their footage is providing plenty of mirth to their friends.:clap:

Hmmm. Feather goods vehicle. I likey.

[EJK]

<img src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=312878&stc=1&d=1434588386" />

[ellipsis]

...not far from that hill is a winding road at the base of the hill...a sign actually warns cyclists to use another route due to the dangers of being hit by trucks...what do the knobsucks do?...yes , you guessed right, and usually three to four abreast...if they wanna die, let 'em...

[husaberg]

One point to note.

The surname of the author of the article is the same as the cyclists surname.

Conflict of interest? I suspect so.

It also appears that the journo heard one side of the story and didn't bother to seek out the other side. Investigative journalism at its best.
bottom of the article Rasta.......
* Alex Mann is no relation to the reporter.
If the idiot had not argued with the officer he would not have got a fine, Yet he decided (by his own omission to argue with the officer for 15 minutes) after he had been given a simple direction. I say its a stupidity tax and he deserved it.

[Maha]

Good on any cop for ticketing any road user for holding up other road user's.

[Grumph]

...not far from that hill is a winding road at the base of the hill...a sign actually warns cyclists to use another route due to the dangers of being hit by trucks...what do the knobsucks do?...yes , you guessed right, and usually three to four abreast...if they wanna die, let 'em...

Dead right. I too used to ride this road twice a day and Mr gaynor, take note, only by knowing it well am i alive now. It's a bastard of a road and mobile chicanes should be ticketed as safety hazards. Doing it in a truck is even worse as keeping up momentum is essential...getting balked at a crucial moment could have serious consequences.

BUT a bigger problem on the same road is descending cyclists who think it's a stage on the TdF...i recently saw an editorial in a motoring mag whose editor uses that road daily. He claimed to have the opportunity to kill at least one cyclist daily, simply by brake testing them. Hadn't done it as he couldn't spare the time in court. i know myself that the bastards are mad...would you, on a well braked motorcycle, sit less than a meter from someone's bumper at 50 - 60 k on a steep downhill ? They're doing it in groups on poorly braked pushies...When it does happen, as it will, I'm assuming the cyclists will want the book thrown at the car driver who braked...

[Flip]

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Three abreast on almost the same road doing a mobile road block

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A couple of miles later now 5 abreast, yep I am still waithing for them to pull over.

312881

If thats not dangerous enough why no try riding on the wrong side of the road in the middle of a blind corner.

[Maha]

.....and if there were any red lights in the way they wouldn't have seen them either ;)

[rastuscat]

Wasn't there when I read the article at 5am.

Wasn't there when I read it at 1000 either. Still, good to hear that they aren't related. It gives the story 1% of credibility.

[nzspokes]

Wasn't there when I read it at 1000 either. Still, good to hear that they aren't related. It gives the story 1% of credibility.

Yes it was. Dont tell porkys. It has been there all morning.

[nzspokes]

What would be interesting is to find out why they dont ride the other side of the white line. At a guess its never been swept so full of crap. Somebody that uses the road may be able to say.

[neels]

What would be interesting is to find out why they dont ride the other side of the white line. At a guess its never been swept so full of crap. Somebody that uses the road may be able to say.

There is no other side of the white line, either rocks on the way up or over the side on the way down.

I drive, motorcycle and occasionally cycle up and down Dyers Pass Rd, and when it comes to being held up cyclists are only one of many obstructions, and not the most annoying.

I've been held up by all sorts of vehicles going up and down the road, including cars and trucks while cycling uphill, and if the police are going to be at all fair about this they should be ticketing cars obstructing other road users (including cyclists) when driving downhill at 35kmh on a 70kmh road.

I do wonder at the mentality of knowing there will be cyclists on a particular road, then getting upset at encountering cyclists on said road, people just need to get over themselves really.

[T.W.R]

Many years ago as a competitive road racing cyclist who trained in excess of 250kms per week around the roads of the peninsula myself & the guys I rode with ( some of which went on to be NZ reps and Olympic & Commonwealth medal winners) would never use the lower section of dyers for anything else than coming down off the hill; Heading up was always via Hackthorne Rd just due to the mere fact of minimising the chance of obstructing or annoying other vehicles....even once past the Takahe it was single file.
Half the pricks riding the area these days are just show ponies and arrogant bastards that if it came to the crunch couldn't push a hot knife into butter let alone ride competitively

[Tazz]

Many years ago as a competitive road racing cyclist who trained in excess of 250kms per week around the roads of the peninsula myself & the guys I rode with ( some of which went on to be NZ reps and Olympic & Commonwealth medal winners) would never use the lower section of dyers for anything else than coming down off the hill; Heading up was always via Hackthorne Rd just due to the mere fact of minimising the chance of obstructing or annoying other vehicles....even once past the Takahe it was single file.
Half the pricks riding the area these days are just show ponies and arrogant bastards that if it came to the crunch couldn't push a hot knife into butter let alone ride competitively
Hear hear!

The road needs to he closed to vehicles or closed to bikes going up, or a separate bike lane, sealed, created. There is a track beside the road that could accommodate this.
Down is fine. You still get dicks, but they are faster dicks.

Even heading to Lyttleton is better done in the other direction, as is coming up the other side as you are against the cliff less.

As for blocking the road and cutting corners, happens every day.
Even if you are patient some dropkicks take it as a sign you don't want to pass and pull out, cut corners or go even slower.

And yes you get trucks up there....who pull in where they can.

[jasonu]

I do wonder at the mentality of knowing there will be cyclists on a particular road, then getting upset at encountering cyclists on said road, people just need to get over themselves really.

Because those felching spandex wearing homos ride 2 or 3 wide, ride in the middle of the road, don't/won't move over and generally behave like they have a right to do as they please because they are doing the planet a favor by not burning fossil fuel.

[R650R]

Many years ago as a competitive road racing cyclist who trained in excess of 250kms per week around the roads of the peninsula myself & the guys I rode with ( some of which went on to be NZ reps and Olympic & Commonwealth medal winners) would never use the lower section of dyers for anything else than coming down off the hill; Heading up was always via Hackthorne Rd just due to the mere fact of minimising the chance of obstructing or annoying other vehicles....even once past the Takahe it was single file.
Half the pricks riding the area these days are just show ponies and arrogant bastards that if it came to the crunch couldn't push a hot knife into butter let alone ride competitively

You Sir are a true NZer and prob the sort of rider that would look over their shoulder and acknowledge a vehicle is approaching from behind you and make a minor adjustment to your course/cadence to assist. These types of cyclists are the ones you give extra room as coutesy, prob more than 1.5m and slow a little.
Note you say years ago, eg before the pack mentality that has developed these days and a false sense of entitlement. The show ponies of today are behaving like a 1%er gang but without the cool tattoos or parties with naked sheilas running about (I assume).
Your right about fitness levels, lot of the local club members here who insist on disrupting an industrial area and the expressway once a month are mostly fatties. I think its a singles club in disguise for the midlife crisis crowd.

[nzspokes]

I think its a singles club in disguise for the midlife crisis crowd.

Sounds like most motorcycle clubs.

[nzspokes]

There is no other side of the white line, either rocks on the way up or over the side on the way down.


Thought so. So the council cleaning this area up would solve the problem?

Genuine question as I have never been up that road.

[nzspokes]

Many years ago as a competitive road racing cyclist who trained in excess of 250kms per week

Bro, that was your problem. We did 450 to 500k weeks. I did a couple of 600k weeks, I needed a fair bit of sleep those weeks. :sleep:

But that was many years ago....

[T.W.R]

Hear hear!
The road needs to he closed to vehicles or closed to bikes going up, or a separate bike lane, sealed, created. There is a track beside the road that could accommodate this.
Down is fine. You still get dicks, but they are faster dicks.
Even heading to Lyttleton is better done in the other direction, as is coming up the other side as you are against the cliff less.
As for blocking the road and cutting corners, happens every day.
Even if you are patient some dropkicks take it as a sign you don't want to pass and pull out, cut corners or go even slower.
And yes you get trucks up there....who pull in where they can.



You Sir are a true NZer and prob the sort of rider that would look over their shoulder and acknowledge a vehicle is approaching from behind you and make a minor adjustment to your course/cadence to assist. These types of cyclists are the ones you give extra room as coutesy, prob more than 1.5m and slow a little.
Note you say years ago, eg before the pack mentality that has developed these days and a false sense of entitlement. The show ponies of today are behaving like a 1%er gang but without the cool tattoos or parties with naked sheilas running about (I assume).
Your right about fitness levels, lot of the local club members here who insist on disrupting an industrial area and the expressway once a month are mostly fatties. I think its a singles club in disguise for the midlife crisis crowd.

Since cycling was pushed as better form of fitness & decayed into yet another fashion parade the wannabes have jumped on the bandwagon and arrogance has increased in sequence, there's always been an element but these days it's the majority rather than minority :mad:
though that scenario can be applied to a few things these days :rolleyes:

[T.W.R]

Bro, that was your problem. We did 450 to 500k weeks. I did a couple of 600k weeks, I needed a fair bit of sleep those weeks. :sleep:
But that was many years ago....

lol wasn't a problem, note I did say "in excess of" ;) and that was just hill work, didn't include training circuits on the flat or 40,60, or 80km race on Sundays plus the only form of transport used for getting here/there & everything in between....500km weeks would've been nice :bleh:
Too many years have passed for this kid, the thought of the view in a CIMA wetlook suit is just wrong :sick:

[FJRider]

Since cycling was pushed as better form of fitness & decayed into yet another fashion parade the wannabes have jumped on the bandwagon and arrogance has increased in sequence, there's always been an element but these days it's the majority rather than minority :mad:
though that scenario can be applied to a few things these days :rolleyes:

Add into the equasion ...

NO license is required. NO test to certify competent operation of one is required. NO owner details need be provided to purchase of one. No LEGAL requirement for outward identification of said vehicle/owner is needed.

What many fail to realise ... those in possesion of a drivers license are Legally required to carry it (subject to a fine if they do not) Regardless of the vehicle they are operating.

Those not in possesion of such/any identification CAN be HELD IN CUSTODY untill their identity can be estabilished.

[nzspokes]

Add into the equasion ...

NO license is required. NO test to certify competent operation of one is required. NO owner details need be provided to purchase of one. No LEGAL requirement for outward identification of said vehicle/owner is needed.

What many fail to realise ... those in possesion of a drivers license are Legally required to carry it (subject to a fine if they do not) Regardless of the vehicle they are operating.

Those not in possesion of such/any identification CAN be HELD IN CUSTODY untill their identity can be estabilished.

Apart from being Captain Obvious what was the point?

Oh, may pay to turn spell check on.

[ellipsis]

Apart from being Captain Obvious what was the point?

Oh, may pay to turn spell check on.

...i'd take a stab at...a half pissed, stasi like feeling, conveyed by keyboard, just before snoring in front of the tv...

[nzspokes]

...i'd take a stab at...a half pissed, stasi like feeling, conveyed by keyboard, just before snoring in front of the tv...

But early to be that sloshed I would have thought?

[FJRider]

Apart from being Captain Obvious what was the point?

Oh, may pay to turn spell check on.

If you understand what (or why) I posted ... what's the need for spell check.

If you don't understand ... would a picture help .. ??

[husaberg]

If you understand what (or why) I posted ... what's the need for spell check.

If you don't understand ... would a picture help .. ??

If you post a Pic FJ should we expect a 1000 less words from you?:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

If you post a Pic FJ should we expect a 1000 less words from you?:msn-wink:

Great Expectations ... you should read it ... <_<

[husaberg]

Great Expectations ... you should read it ... <_<

Nodrogs misses wrote that.........

[neels]

What many fail to realise ... those in possesion of a drivers license are Legally required to carry it (subject to a fine if they do not) Regardless of the vehicle they are operating.
Oh really?

Land Transport act suggests otherwise....

A person driving a motor vehicle must produce without delay his or her driver licence for inspection whenever required to do so by an enforcement officer

And by the way, it is an offence to refuse to provide your identity, but there is no compulsion to carry any particular type of identification.

[FJRider]

And by the way, it is an offence to refuse to provide your identity, but there is no compulsion to carry any particular type of identification.

And if the Officer does not believe you ... and you can't prove who you are ... They can lock you up.


Carry YOUR ID ... or not.

Individual choice ... right .. ??

[FJRider]

Oh really?

Land Transport act suggests otherwise....



The photo ID your drivers license provides ... may keep you out of clink.


Personal choice of course ...

[neels]

And if the Officer does not believe you ... and you can't prove who you are ... They can lock you up.


Carry YOUR ID ... or not.

Individual choice ... right .. ??
Read all of the words next time.

No particular form of ID is required, can be anything the policeman accepts that proves your identity, doesn't have to be your drivers licence if you're not driving.

[FJRider]

can be anything the policeman accepts that proves your identity, doesn't have to be your drivers licence if you're not driving.

They are a suspicious lot ... and not always MEN.

Women never believe a dam thing you say .. (so I've heard)

[FJRider]

If you post a Pic FJ should we expect a 1000 less words from you?:msn-wink:

no ...................................

[husaberg]

They are a suspicious lot ... and not always MEN.

Women never believe a dam thing you say .. (so I've heard)

I call bullshit.

Tell them you shagged around on them

or tell them you want to doof one of her friends.

They will not only believe you they will never forget either.................

[Maha]

Nodrogs misses wrote that.........

And was the illustrator in Hairy Maclary.

[Erelyes]

You didn't read the article, did you?

Course not, it's on Stuff.

I think this tops the list of being an up-yourself douchebag though. Signed copies of the front-page article about me, anyone? :tugger:

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[husaberg]

Course not, it's on Stuff.

I think this tops the list of being an up-yourself douchebag though.

I think you will find Katman claimed that title a number of years ago.
15th February 2005 - 16:34

[BMWST?]

I just wish more mobile chicanes were being ticketed & reported. If cyclists choose to regularly ride roads knowing that at times they will hold up traffic then their will be consequences at some point. Sods law.

I have nuttin against saddle chafers just inconsiderate or oblivious road hogs in general.

The pedlars should take a leaf out of our book, anticipate and avoid potentially hazardous situations. Their skin is on the line, too.

Whats the speed limit on that road? Be buggered if you would catch me risking being closely overtaken by huge big metal things with no escape route as I wobbled up a hill. I would buy an exercycle.

We have a legal right they say. Fair enough, but putting your life into somebody else's hands.... Hmmmmmmm. Not my cup of milo.

I've also noticed that vehicles with bikes hanging off the back obscuring the number plate and often rear view mirror are generally driven badly.
Just sayin.

and yet as a motoorcyclist you put your life in the hands of others every day and keep doing so.....hypocrite much?

[Berries]

and yet as a motoorcyclist you put your life in the hands of others every day and keep doing so.....hypocrite much?
You might as well say that about every form of transport then. At least motorbikes can keep up with the speed limit, which was the point made in the comment you quoted........cycle much?

[BMWST?]

You might as well say that about every form of transport then. At least motorbikes can keep up with the speed limit, which was the point made in the comment you quoted........cycle much?
Yes,thanks,lake taupo 5 hrs,you?

[neels]

Yes,thanks,lake taupo 5 hrs,you?
Good effort, must do that one year. There's some awesome impeding right there

[Berries]

Yes,thanks,lake taupo 5 hrs,you?
Saddle Hill 2:45.