Changing down gears at speed

[carlsjunior]

Hello, I am new here and am just looking for a quick tip on how to change down gears without locking up the back wheel at speed. I am used to smaller bikes and have just got a big Harley and can't seem to stop it from happening. Thanks.

[Doppleganger]

Rev the engine as you pull in the clutch and change to the lower gear (known as bliping the throttle).
This will bring the engine revs up to closer match the speed the new gear.

[FJRider]

Hello, I am new here and am just looking for a quick tip on how to change down gears without locking up the back wheel at speed. I am used to smaller bikes and have just got a big Harley and can't seem to stop it from happening. Thanks.

Just use the brakes to slow down. Then change down when you get within the rev range for the gear you are dropping to.

Failing that ... buy a small Harley ...

[sugilite]

Just use the brakes to slow down. Then change down when you get within the rev range for the gear you are dropping to.

Yep, this.

[puddytat]

Wind up your idle.....poor mans slipper clutch.

[iYRe]

This will explain it, and many other things beside:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWLIfChUwg

(twist of the wrist 2)
Every rider should watch it at some point.

[Mike.Gayner]

"This unnecessary thing I'm doing is causing me trouble - what can I do to keep doing this unnecessary thing that I don't like doing?"

Harley riders.

[Banditbandit]

The issue suggests that you are changing down unnecessarily .. but if you are trying to slow down with engine braking only, you're better off using the brakes and changing down when you hit the lower speed required for a lower gear - as suggested by FJRrider above ..

[FJRider]

The issue suggests that you are changing down unnecessarily ...

It's a Harley ... so it's unlikely he'll be going that fast anyway ... :pinch:

[carlsjunior]

Cheers for that. Even the smart ones :P

[Banditbandit]

It's a Harley ... so it's unlikely he'll be going that fast anyway ... :pinch:

fast enough to lock the back wheel when changing down ...


Cheers for that. Even the smart ones :P

What were you riding before you got the harley ???

[FJRider]

Rev the engine as you pull in the clutch and change to the lower gear (known as bliping the throttle).
This will bring the engine revs up to closer match the speed the new gear.

Works well on a multi cylinder bike ... but the big twins (plenty of engine braking) just like you to just button off the throttle ... untill you need to change down. Much easier on the drive train too ...

[FJRider]

fast enough to lock the back wheel when changing down ...



What were you riding before you got the harley ???

No mention in his post that he got out of second gear .. :innocent:

That he needed to ask ... points to a definite lack of experience. The same problem can occur on small bikes too ...

[PrincessBandit]

No mention in his post that he got out of second gear .. :innocent:

That he needed to ask ... points to a definite lack of experience. The same problem can occur on small bikes too ...

Hmmm, happened to me on my first big ride (out to Clevedon :facepalm: ) when I was a n00b. I learnt quickly not to do it again by doing what others have suggested above - either blipping or shock horror using a bid of rear brake to slow appropriately.

[mossy1200]

I don't understand. If your slowing down why is the rear wheel on the ground? Are the front brakes working properly?

[caseye]

So hang on a minute here. You've ridden before, you've bought a Harley and now your experiencing compression lock on a motorcycle that can't go fast enough to pull the skin off a rice pudding.
Then you come here to ask how to stop this embarrassing thing from happening.
THIS IS A PISS TAKE YOU LOT.
OP, do you have a full motorcycle licence?
is your Harley a 500cc model?
Do you know that if you simply don't change down before your bikes engine has slowed enough that you won't lock up the rear wheel with compression lock?

[awayatc]

joined today

first post....

piss take

[98tls]

Works well on a multi cylinder bike ... but the big twins (plenty of engine braking) just like you to just button off the throttle ... untill you need to change down. Much easier on the drive train too ...

Fuck the drive train mate tis fun sliding into tight corners under.. cough cough.. engine braking,so much so ive resisted the urge to replace the old TLs primitive slipper with one outta a GSXR.

[WNJ]

Harley riders are oarsum

[awa355]

Maybe this was him, at .40.
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorkezTnmwo

[Maha]

'change down gears without locking up the back wheel at speed'

At speed? give an idea of what you consider 'speed' is? because changing down at any speed can be done without locking the rear wheel. Engine note is a key sound, coupled with experience and an intimate knowledge of your bike.

If you weight the gear selector with a slight pull on the clutch lever, the bike will change down when the revs allow it, but a large percentage of Harley riders like the 'over do throttle blip' technique when slowing down.

[baffa]

It's so much easier to blip the throttle on a cruiser, you do most of your braking with the rear brake anyway

[FJRider]

joined today

first post....

piss take

It can't be ... Harley riders are always on the recieving end of a piss take ... aren't they .. ?? :scratch:

I wonder if he waves .. ?? :devil2:

[FJRider]

... ive resisted the urge to replace the old TLs primitive slipper with one outta a GSXR.

It must be the only original bit still on the bike ... :blank:

[98tls]

It must be the only original bit still on the bike ... :blank:

Thats to help with the wording on the trademe ad....;)

[FJRider]

Thats to help with the wording on the trademe ad....;)

I must spread it around ... apparently ... :killingme ... later ..

[Saarg]

(twist of the wrist 2)
Every rider should watch it at some point.

+1 that


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[trufflebutter]

Just use the brakes to slow down. Then change down when you get within the rev range for the gear you are dropping to.

Failing that ... buy a small Harley ...

Not sure about Harley/cruiser's where this is concerned, but on the Sports bike I just slightly load the gear selector then just touch the clutch lever and voila!

[MrMarko]

"This unnecessary thing I'm doing is causing me trouble - what can I do to keep doing this unnecessary thing that I don't like doing?"

Harley riders.

Well at least he's man enough to ask up for help.

[MrMarko]

Not sure about Harley/cruiser's where this is concerned, but on the Sports bike I just slightly load the gear selector then just touch the clutch lever and voila!

Who the hell uses the clutch to shift. :blink:

[trufflebutter]

Who the hell uses the clutch to shift. :blink:

Harley riders it would seem.

[MrMarko]

Harley riders it would seem.

Uhhh but you do it on your honda :pinch:

[nerrrd]

Honda went to all the trouble of putting it on there, might as well use it.

[MrMarko]

Honda went to all the trouble of putting it on there, might as well use it.

Yeah for taking off from stopped. beyond that leave the clutch alone and just use the throttle to let the load off and blip your downshifts... clutched upshifts take forever, aint nobody got time for that.

[trufflebutter]

Uhhh but you do it on your honda :pinch:

If you haven't done it on a Honda don't knock it.

[Big Dog]

Who the hell uses the clutch to shift. :blink:
People with some mechanical sensitivity.

I clutchless upshift when the conditions are right and my timing is on.
I only do it down enough to keep the skill alive in case I lose the clutch on a ride, it has happened before.
But having heard many stories about bent selectors and new false neutrals from bad changes, or more likely many bad changes I also choose to use a clutch.

Pretty much the only benefit out clutchless shifting is a shorter smoother upshift when getting a hustle on but only if your timing is good.

I don't get why people get their knickers in such a bunch about a skill that is just a preference.

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[Big Dog]

As one who depends on my bikes and tends to own them for 5+ years at a time the reliability of my bike is way more important than the wank factor of saving a nanosecond on my shifts.

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[MrMarko]

People with some mechanical sensitivity.

I clutchless upshift when the conditions are right and my timing is on.
I only do it down enough to keep the skill alive in case I lose the clutch on a ride, it has happened before.
But having heard many stories about bent selectors and new false neutrals from bad changes, or more likely many bad changes I also choose to use a clutch.

Pretty much the only benefit out clutchless shifting is a shorter smoother upshift when getting a hustle on but only if your timing is good.

I don't get why people get their knickers in such a bunch about a skill that is just a preference.

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Well yeah if you cant time it and are mincing up your box i wouldn't advise it....

No problem if you can actually ride a motorcycle though.

[actungbaby]

Hello, I am new here and am just looking for a quick tip on how to change down gears without locking up the back wheel at speed. I am used to smaller bikes and have just got a big Harley and can't seem to stop it from happening. Thanks.

Dont try focus too much on it can get to be obession
well did in my case when way back.
Even few years ago and been riding bike with very long break
since was 15 . yrs old .even know i can stand on back brake
in emergcy stop. like when some ran out on pedestion stop.

Just a bad habit of mine

really for quick answer dont focus on gear changing down.
and think about using front brake and rear just less and less.

with torque the engine , braking as well gone to lock any motorcyle back well.

probley only diffrece becuase harley is alot more wieght.
and you have more transfer moving forward when braking.

plus more front fork moment too .

just leave more time and distance to the corner or intersection its not a competion.

you dont have to dl to first before a stop . just click down or up from second .

Id just practice slowing down with front brake and just tiny bit rear if you want get used to that .

if getting you down and your becoming fearfull do a motorcycle training course
they dont have to be expesive . i did and really enjoyed it and learned alot.

never to old to learn. and confidence you get be a asset.

[actungbaby]

Hello, I am new here and am just looking for a quick tip on how to change down gears without locking up the back wheel at speed. I am used to smaller bikes and have just got a big Harley and can't seem to stop it from happening. Thanks.

after all waffling on came to me

match engine revs to wheel speed if engine spining faster

than wheel speed and road speed wheel will be trying go backwards slighty

[actungbaby]

This will explain it, and many other things beside:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWLIfChUwg

(twist of the wrist 2)
Every rider should watch it at some point.

says no longer avial might just my pc

[Big Dog]

Well yeah if you cant time it and are mincing up your box i wouldn't advise it....

No problem if you can actually ride a motorcycle though.
In not saying I can't do it.
I am saying I only do it when it benefits me and I am secure enough in my penis size / ego to tell others it's not the end of the world if they don't.

If you ride often enough there will be times when your timing is just not what it should be.
On the road there is not enough benefit for you to be suggesting you are a better rider because you do it.

I haven't seen you ride for as least 6 years and even then you were a passenger or in a car more often than riding so I won't cast judgement about who is the better rider.



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[Virago]

says no longer avial might just my pc

Hardly surprising when the post you're quoting is well over a year old...

[MrMarko]

In not saying I can't do it.
I am saying I only do it when it benefits me and I am secure enough in my penis size / ego to tell others it's not the end of the world if they don't.

If you ride often enough there will be times when your timing is just not what it should be.
On the road there is not enough benefit for you to be suggesting you are a better rider because you do it.

I haven't seen you ride for as least 6 years and even then you were a passenger or in a car more often than riding so I won't cast judgement about who is the better rider.



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You can drop the attitude for a start?

In my opinion clutchless shifting well does make you a better rider and has plenty of benefit on the street, as opposed to losing power on a slow clutch shift. in my opinion its alot harder to master a quick clutched shift in regards to getting it right every time than a non clutched shift.

To each their own.

Never said you couldn't do it, never claimed to be a god among mortals. So there is no need for the attitude as none was intended from me it's just how i talk....

My penis size is actually very uncomfortable i think i need a seat with a groove sculpted in it. :laugh:

[nzspokes]

You can drop the attitude for a start?

In my opinion clutchless shifting well does make you a better rider and has plenty of benefit on the street, as opposed to losing power on a slow clutch shift. in my opinion its alot harder to master a quick clutched shift in regards to getting it right every time than a non clutched shift.

To each their own.

Never said you couldn't do it, never claimed to be a god among mortals. So there is no need for the attitude as none was intended from me it's just how i talk....

My penis size is actually very uncomfortable i think i need a seat with a groove sculpted in it. :laugh:

There is a fair chance his dick is bigger than yours, the guy is fucking huge. I would think he makes his CB1300 look like a 250.

[MrMarko]

There is a fair chance his dick is bigger than yours, the guy is fucking huge. I would think he makes his CB1300 look like a 250.

uh oh big dog hide your profile pics.

[scumdog]

Well yeah if you cant time it and are mincing up your box i wouldn't advise it....

No problem if you can actually ride a motorcycle though.

Mwahahahaa....:lol:

[MrMarko]

Mwahahahaa....:lol:

Goodafteble constanoon nice of you to join us.

[WristTwister]

Drift the rear wheel like a boss!

[WristTwister]

This will explain it, and many other things beside:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWLIfChUwg

(twist of the wrist 2)
Every rider should watch it at some point.

But the acting is soooo bad! And one guy looks like President Obama:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ObamaFrown.jpg

[BuzzardNZ]

http://favimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/actor-robert-de-niro-photo-face-beautiful.jpg

[Big Dog]

Who the hell uses the clutch to shift. :blink:
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People with some mechanical sensitivity.


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http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=180992

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Any more classic and it would be vintage. :rofl:

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