So Judith Collins thinks the police should be able to break the law now?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah not bad eh. The police, more than anyone, should abide by the law 100% of the time. Next minute, she'll be saying it's ok to plant an empty shell casing in some's garden to obtain a conviction! Oh hang on...

Tis a very slippery slope. And this is not an anti police rant by the way. The woman should be sacked immediately for even writing such drivel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/69457983/devil-is-in-the-detail-for-undercover-cops-in-red-devils-case

[Katman]

Is it still her husband who is behind the shipping of swamp kauri off to China?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Is it still her husband who is behind the shipping of swamp kauri off to China?

More than likely. And I see the *comments* section of this story miraculously disappeared.

[Flip]

Somebody here voted these right wing degenerates in.

[awa355]

Somebody here voted these right wing degenerates in.

Well it wasn't me. :( I've never voted for a successful party in over 40 years. :clap::clap:

[ellipsis]

...I thought they published porn mags to highlight cunts like her...

[Crasherfromwayback]

...I thought they published porn mags to highlight cunts like her...

Judith Collins and porn mags shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

...I thought they published porn mags to highlight cunts like her...

Thanks for that image, now I need counselling. Or LOTS of alcohol !

[Berries]

I'd tap it.

[george formby]

Judith Collins and porn mags shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.

Awww, c'mon! Don't tell me that the thought of Judith Collins, Angela Merkel and Hilary Clinton all in jelly wrestling doesn't give you a bit of a twitcher?
Mmmmmmm, porcine power porn.

[Ocean1]

I think she's right. If it's OK for the police to present an officer as someone he's not, (and apparently it is) then why isn't it OK to treat the officer in question as if he's as presented?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think she's right. If it's OK for the police to present an officer as someone he's not, (and apparently it is) then why isn't it OK to treat the officer in question as if he's as presented?

It's the dodgy search warrants I have the main issue with mate.

[Ocean1]

It's the dodgy search warrants I have the main issue with mate.

Maybe I misunderstood, I thought the warrants were issued for the undercover cop, in order to reinforce the credibility of his cover.

[T.W.R]

I'd tap it.

With a sledgehammer at the base of the skull.

[skippa1]

I think she's right. If it's OK for the police to present an officer as someone he's not, (and apparently it is) then why isn't it OK to treat the officer in question as if he's as presented?
The pigs arrested the under cover piglet under false pretence with an illeagal warrent and then took the whole thing to court. The judges believed the case was real and undermined the "justice" system. All in order to give some credability to their piglet that was not credible.
in my experience bacon makes the rules up as they go to suit themselves.....

cunts are more crooked than those they set up a lot of the time.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Awww, c'mon! Don't tell me that the thought of Judith Collins, Angela Merkel and Hilary Clinton all in jelly wrestling doesn't give you a bit of a twitcher?
Mmmmmmm, porcine power porn.


With a sledgehammer at the base of the skull.

Option 2 please.

[nodrog]

Somebody has been watching too much Sons of Anarchy.

[Katman]

Somebody has been watching too much Sons of Anarchy.

I've got your back bro.

[nodrog]

I've got your back bro.

http://thereformedbroker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cartman.png

[FJRider]

I've got your back bro.

A worrying comment ... from one that frequently instructs other members to suck his cock ... :facepalm:

[Katman]

A worrying comment ... from one that frequently instructs other members to suck his cock ... :facepalm:

Mama's got plenty for all.

[FJRider]

Mama's got plenty for all.

probably not wise (or ethical) to bring your moither into it ... <_<

Good luck with that though .... <_<

I think might avoid Taupo ... for a few more years yet ... <_<

[T.W.R]

Awww, c'mon! Don't tell me that the thought of Judith Collins, Angela Merkel and Hilary Clinton all in jelly wrestling doesn't give you a bit of a twitcher?
Mmmmmmm, porcine power porn.


That'd be like three Kune Kunes wrestling in a sty :lol:

[ellipsis]

That'd be like three Kune Kunes wrestling in a sty :lol:


...and twice as smelly...

[mada]

Cops should've known better to pull a stiff through the court system. If UC at risk, pull them out. Not much more can be done. When things head to court, they know they had to have followed procedures and processes correctly otherwise evidential chains broken etc. If cops were allowed to legally fake warrants and charges then no one will start trusting the pieces of paper they are written on.

That said UC's have my sympathy and respect - fark that for a job. The irony in many UC's being the only ones in NZ who legally smoke, I mean "simulate smoking" pot. :shifty:

One hopes that the same shit is no longer happening with police informants:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/525371/Killer-drivers-name-revealed

[Swoop]

So, as for being allowed to break the law, will this legalize the cops who were having sex with 13yr old prostitutes?
Glad to see that practice hasn't changed for them since the 1980's...

[Big Dog]

Cops should've known better to pull a stiff through the court system. If UC at risk, pull them out. Not much more can be done. When things head to court, they know they had to have followed procedures and processes correctly otherwise evidential chains broken etc. If cops were allowed to legally fake warrants and charges then no one will start trusting the pieces of paper they are written on.

That said UC's have my sympathy and respect - fark that for a job. The irony in many UC's being the only ones in NZ who legally smoke, I mean "simulate smoking" pot. :shifty:

One hopes that the same shit is no longer happening with police informants:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/525371/Killer-drivers-name-revealed


So, as for being allowed to break the law, will this legalize the cops who were having sex with 13yr old prostitutes?
Glad to see that practice hasn't changed for them since the 1980's...

Use the Bill Clinton defence strategy:
I did not inhale.
I did not impale.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Wannabiker]

Justice David Collins...not Judith Collins...

[jim.cox]

Justice David Collins...not Judith Collins...

No

The original article was penned by Judith "The National Cow" Collins

[Wannabiker]

No

The original article was penned by Judith "The National Cow" Collins

Ah...I stand corrected.

[Doppleganger]

The blue gang break the law every day, from speeding to planting evidence and all points in between.
But because they are the current gang employed to enforce our laws no one ever finds out until a third (independant) party gets involved then da da!

[MisterD]

It's the dodgy search warrants I have the main issue with mate.

I'd have a problem with faked search warrants to raid a suspect's property, but what they did was get the Undercover to rent a storage unit, which they faked a search warrant to raid as a way of building his credibility. I don't have a problem with that at all.

Hardly surprising, given that the judiciary seem think that the worst crime it's possible to commit is "contempt of court"...so yeah, chuck the case out because a couple of judges were made to look a bit silly because they thought that the prosecution of the Undercover was real. :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

I'd have a problem with faked search warrants to raid a suspect's property, but what they did was get the Undercover to rent a storage unit, which they faked a search warrant to raid as a way of building his credibility. I don't have a problem with that at all.

Hardly surprising, given that the judiciary seem think that the worst crime it's possible to commit is "contempt of court"...so yeah, chuck the case out because a couple of judges were made to look a bit silly because they thought that the prosecution of the Undercover was real. :facepalm:

"Contempt of Court" is one of the worst crimes - as it shows contempt for the legal authority of this country ...

The Police show contempt for the legal authority of this country - that is not a good thing ..

[ElCoyote]

I'd tap it.

Sick Puppy, unless a baseball bat is involved

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'd have a problem with faked search warrants to raid a suspect's property, but what they did was get the Undercover to rent a storage unit, which they faked a search warrant to raid as a way of building his credibility. I don't have a problem with that at all.



I do. It makes them criminals, just like the people they're after. As they'll tell you when they give you a ticket for going 105kph...the law is the law.

[ellipsis]

...the dumbest thing was listening to a fucked if they get caught, plan, and running with it...inspires even greater confidence, eh!...

[Tazz]

...the dumbest thing was listening to a fucked if they get caught, plan, and running with it...inspires even greater confidence, eh!...

This is also what I took from it. Some bloody brain trust they have to put such a halfwit 'plan' together.

[Crasherfromwayback]

...the dumbest thing was listening to a fucked if they get caught, plan, and running with it...inspires even greater confidence, eh!...


This is also what I took from it. Some bloody brain trust they have to put such a halfwit 'plan' together.

Keystone Cops.

[Swoop]

...the dumbest thing was listening to a fucked if they get caught, plan, and running with it...inspires even greater confidence, eh!...
The undependent Pig Corruption Authority will back them up.:crazy:
Cunts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

https://www.facebook.com/753626358032904/videos/918275378234667/

[TheDemonLord]

I do. It makes them criminals, just like the people they're after. As they'll tell you when they give you a ticket for going 105kph...the law is the law.

I see both sides of the argument - and I tend to side with the above - the Police should at all times adhere to the letter of the law. That said - issuing a 'search warrant' for a police owned asset (well, owned by the undercover agent) is a different ball game to planting evidence and framing someone - and although I conceded the slippery slope argument, I don't think that the uproar over this is inline with the amount of overstep made by the Police.

There is a seperate argument that goes along the lines that if the police are being hampered by the law when trying to enforce, then the law may need to be updated.

[ellipsis]

...if the police are being hampered by the law when trying to enforce, then the law may need to be updated.


...should work well for us mere mortals then...

[awa355]

When I see some of the cock ups committed by the police, I really question the depth and professionalism of their training.

[Tazz]

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

https://www.facebook.com/753626358032904/videos/918275378234667/

Lost my shit when I saw this directly below:


https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11224579_966648216688831_587733175570115061_n.jpg? oh=b97554e54a797ad02eb2b4939e1399e4&oe=55F46528&__gda__=1444834581_7bf41cf5ec36cd17cc9132c629bd51a 4

:lol:


I don't think that the uproar over this is inline with the amount of overstep made by the Police.

It's just what happens when you 'clamp down' and shit all over people for minor mistakes for to long, and then make a cock up yourself.

Under reaction if you ask me as despite whatever 'good intentions' they had we are so often told by them that excuses and/or ignorance of their rule book don't cut it.

[TheDemonLord]

...should work well for us mere mortals then...

Absolutely it should - there are numerous laws which are out-dated and could do with a re-write or at the very least a re-think.

[TheDemonLord]

It's just what happens when you 'clamp down' and shit all over people for minor mistakes for to long, and then make a cock up yourself.

Under reaction if you ask me as despite whatever 'good intentions' they had we are so often told by them that excuses and/or ignorance of their rule book don't cut it.

Good point, well made.

[Banditbandit]

I see both sides of the argument - and I tend to side with the above - the Police should at all times adhere to the letter of the law. That said - issuing a 'search warrant' for a police owned asset (well, owned by the undercover agent) is a different ball game to planting evidence and framing someone - and although I conceded the slippery slope argument, I don't think that the uproar over this is inline with the amount of overstep made by the Police.

The significant issue was not the issuing of a fake search warrant - even if Crusher Collins makes that her main point ...

From here .. http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11452950 This also includes Justice Collins full judgement.


A High Court judge suggested the police "probably" broke the law by faking a prosecution against an undercover officer to boost his credibility with a gang.

They did not just fake a search warrant, the police arrested and charged their undercover officer to "give him credibility" with the Red Devils ... Justice Collins said this would "undermine the public confidence in the criminal justice system".

The police have played fast and loose with the court system - manipulating it for their own ends.

Is it any wonder that the courts are fucked off with them ?


There is a seperate argument that goes along the lines that if the police are being hampered by the law when trying to enforce, then the law may need to be updated.

Yes, that's true. But any freeing up of the law will also free up the law for the non-police as well. A very slippery slope ..

[husaberg]

I just read a headline that said Judith Collins claims she was the victim of a smear campaign.

I was like fuck off, those camera lenses actually do with a shitload more Vaseline smeared on them when taking pics of her.

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[Scuba_Steve]

Justice Collins said this would "undermine the public confidence in the criminal justice system".

I fail to see how this is possible... does anyone have "confidence" in this system anymore???

As for Police breaking the law... That's just "a day in the job" for NZ's biggest criminal gang & terrorist organisation (by definition)

[Banditbandit]

I fail to see how this is possible... does anyone have "confidence" in this system anymore???




I think you would find that the vast majority of sheeple out there do have confidence in the system ... misplaced confidence maybe but confidence none-the-less

[husaberg]

I think you would find that the vast majority of sheeple out there do have confidence in the system ... misplaced confidence maybe but confidence none-the-less

I think you missed the point were the crown dropped a lot of the charges because of warrants issues.

The crown did so why then is the faith misplaced?
Pretty sure that Gang the police were going after were not the boy scouts were they?

That said Collins is still a old ax that has no right to the honourable title.
Barely a step up from Banks or Pansy Wong imo.

[ellipsis]

...hmmm...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/69638727/waitotara-man-wants-police-officer-charged-with-assault

[Katman]

At least things aren't as fucked up here as they are over the ditch.

http://qldcops.blogspot.co.nz/

[marmel]

The worst thing about this mess is it has directed attention away from the bikie fuckwits that were yet again involved in drugs/firearms. "Just another bunch of motorcycle enthusiasts", that's the real lie.

[Banditbandit]

I think you missed the point were the crown dropped a lot of the charges because of warrants issues.

No I didn't - at least they got that bit right ...


The crown did so why then is the faith misplaced?

Because they tried it on with other charges .. and they took a long time to drop the false charges against their flea ... even after warrants for arrest where issued because of his non-appearance in court .. a clear abuse of the court processes.



Pretty sure that Gang the police were going after were not the boy scouts were they?

Not even close to boy scouts (girl scouts maybe, but those are different charges ...)




The worst thing about this mess is it has directed attention away from the bikie fuckwits that were yet again involved in drugs/firearms. "Just another bunch of motorcycle enthusiasts", that's the real lie.

I don't believe it has - I think the general public accepts that these are very naughty people ... but we can't have the police breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold and to act in accordance with.



I, [name], swear that I will faithfully and diligently serve Her (or His) Majesty [specify the name of the reigning Sovereign], Queen (or King) of New Zealand, her (or his) heirs and successors, without favour or affection, malice or ill-will. While a constable I will, to the best of my power, keep the peace and prevent offences against the peace, and will, to the best of my skill and knowledge, perform all the duties of the office of constable according to law. So help me God."

[husaberg]

Because they tried it on with other charges .. and they took a long time to drop the false charges against their flea ... even after warrants for arrest where issued because of his non-appearance in court .. a clear abuse of the court processes.
.

Tried it on how so... I was suggesting they decided not to use the evidence obtained by these nefarious means in court.
As for abuse of the courts process well plenty of others do that play on the system as well. Not saying that excuses the police though but it is context.

[ellipsis]

context.


...more like spandex...

[husaberg]

...more like spandex...

in context
phrase of context
1.
considered together with the surrounding words or circumstances.
So dude its a Judith Collins thread there is to be no mention of spandex
Spandex

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[ellipsis]

...was more of a take on 'pulling the wool', but they went with a more modern and swinging type of approach, as they would...therefore 'stretching the spandex'...

[husaberg]

...was more of a take on 'pulling the wool', but they went with a more modern and swinging type of approach, as they would...therefore 'stretching the spandex'...

Pulling the wool has a whole different meaning down your way though aye :lol:.......................

[Banditbandit]

in context
phrase of context
1.
considered together with the surrounding words or circumstances.
So dude its a Judith Collins thread there is to ben no mention of spandex
Spandex



Please do not mention spandex and Judith Collins in the same sentence. I do not need that thought in my head .. if you do it again I will have to kill you :)

[husaberg]

Please do not mention spandex and Judith Collins in the same sentence. I do not need that thought in my head .. if you do it again I will have to kill you :)

I was asking him not to in my defence.

[98tls]

Forgotten how many threads ive read on here re people voicing there outrage over cunts in court having more rights than there victims so this is somewhat refreshing:weird:

[Banditbandit]

I was asking him not to in my defence.

OK .. I'll accept that ..

[husaberg]

OK .. I'll accept that ..

You're thinking about her in spandex lederhosen right now though aye:laugh:
Maybe with Jerry Brownlee and kim Dotcom.

[Banditbandit]

you're thinking about her in spandex lederhosen right now though aye:laugh:
Maybe with jerry brownlee and kim dotcom.

you bastard ...

[husaberg]

you bastard ...
Thank you.:innocent:

[Katman]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11473023

[Banditbandit]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11473023

Excellent article ..


In 1970, police planted a cartridge case to secure a conviction against Arthur Allan Thomas. Would Judith Collins defend that? I doubt it. If that's the case, somewhere between forging a document and planting evidence she draws a line. Might it not be an idea, then, to draw that line at what the law allows? If not, then why have law?

Exactly !!!

[Katman]

Excellent article ..

I also liked the bit where it says pick the most noble cause you can think of and then forge a legal document to further that cause.

See where that stands you in the eyes of the law.

[pritch]

If memory serves, the Inspector that presided over this farce is the same one who was caught giving incorrect information to the Court early on in the Kim Dot Com saga?

If that's right it defies credibility that these would be the only two instances he has ever misled a court. We must be approaching the stage where a lawyer will be requesting that prosecutions he has been involved in should be revisited to check other evidence he has submitted.

His credibility in the court system must now rate about zero, that he still has his job is slightly surprising.

[Katman]

If memory serves, the Inspector that presided over this farce is the same one who was caught giving incorrect information to the Court early on in the Kim Dot Com saga?

If that's right it defies credibility that these would be the only two instances he has ever misled a court. We must be approaching the stage where a lawyer will be requesting that prosecutions he has been involved in should be revisited to check other evidence he has submitted.

His credibility in the court system must now rate about zero, that he still has his job is slightly surprising.

Yes, Grant Wormald's resume should be in tatters by now.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7858929/Police-errors-see-two-gang-cases-unravel

[ellipsis]

...that cunt O'Connor needs to be seen for what he is also...nothing but an outspoken cunt that doesn't mind the rules being bent, but only in their favour...cunt...

[RDJ]

Pretty much true.

[Banditbandit]

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/opposition-mps-question-kauri-exports/#.VZSA0odk3vQ.facebook

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11473023

Like I said earlier...she should be sacked.

[Scuba_Steve]

Like I said earlier...she should be sacked.

& lynched preferably... you know, for shits n giggles