The Barry Sheene Classic is no more

[Edbear]

A heads up, as I have inside information. In a press release due out in the next few days, the Barry Sheene Classic is changing. This year it's going international and is getting a new series sponsor. Wanting to make it more about NZ the board decided that while Barry is well known, he wasn't a Kiwi or Kiwi brand. So potential sponsors are being invited to take one of several layers of sponsorship. Naming rights have gone so watch this space to find out the new name!

[Virago]

Hmmmm, I wonder who...?

[JimO]

Gareth Morgans anti cat league?

[Edbear]

It's going to be much bigger with more than 250 riders on some 300 machines coming from several countries including the US, UK and Australia. There will be a BEARS race plus more.

[swarfie]

Edbear, you mention 'the board'. Which board would that be? In the past the NZ Barry Sheene meeting has been run in a collaboration between the NZCMRR, NZPCRA and the NZSRA. Which one or any part of them are you talking about? I'm a member of two of them and was part of the organising committee for the last meeting and haven't heard anything as yet.

[Virago]

This year it's going international...

Mr Whippy...?

[FJRider]

Mr Whippy...?

And it'll be a street race ... in Edgecombe .. ?? <_<

[Voltaire]

As Burt Monroe is used up, and John Britten is SOT, only leaves Nodrog really.

I haven't heard of it either, mind you did hear about the radars being out from the cleaners before it was on the news

[Katman]

And it'll be a street race ... in Edgecombe .. ?? <_<

On Hyosungs.

[Edbear]

Edbear, you mention 'the board'. Which board would that be? In the past the NZ Barry Sheene meeting has been run in a collaboration between the NZCMRR, NZPCRA and the NZSRA. Which one or any part of them are you talking about? I'm a member of two of them and was part of the organising committee for the last meeting and haven't heard anything as yet.

PM on the way.

[nodrog]

..... http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003893581/1044493416_5092a_ORIG_5430558755_attention_whore_3 00x231_xlarge_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg......!



..... only leaves Nodrog really.

its either going to be me or Shaun.

[husaberg]

its either going to be me or Shaun.

Hugh who..............

[BuzzardNZ]

Hmmmm, I wonder who...?

Probably the jehovah's witness cult.

[sidecar bob]

I'm picking it will be the real estate side, that seems to be coming to the fore & the mortgage side of things is ticking along quietly.

[Maha]

Exciting times Ed :msn-wink:

[Virago]

Probably the jehovah's witness cult.

Nah. You can be sure that the thread is shamelessly self-promotional though. :innocent:

[Edbear]

I'm picking it will be the real estate side, that seems to be coming to the fore & the mortgage side of things is ticking along quietly.

A good guess but no.


Nah. You can be sure that the thread is shamelessly self-promotional though. :innocent:

Who? Moi?

Okay then. It's now the Shorai Batteries International Motorcycle Classic. New website to be launched 1st July will be:

shoraibatteriesinternational.com

[husaberg]

A good guess but no.



Who? Moi?

Okay then. It's now the Shorai Batteries International Motorcycle Classic. New website to be launched 1st July will be:

shoraibatteriesinternational.com

Hugh Who?..............
MBE is a four-time Grand Prix motorcycle road racing World Champion and a 19-time New Zealand national champion. He is also a two-time Isle of Man TT winner

http://www.classicjap.gr/uploads/images/suzuki-hugh-anderson-1963.jpg

[nodrog]

.....Wanting to make it more about NZ ...... Kiwi or Kiwi brand......


.... It's now the Shorai Batteries International Motorcycle Classic. .....

Fuck me, you do have a sense of humour.

[nodrog]

Hugh Who?..............


Jass? Hugh Jass?

[husaberg]

Fuck me, you do have a sense of humour.
dooffing you would require copious alcohol and no shame........(sorry Tina how's the hang over)


Jass? Hugh Jass?

Now Hugh done it.
Is that you yokel?

[Edbear]

Fuck me, you do have a sense of humour.

According to Hoyle, okay Duncan Coutts, Barry never lived or raced here. Shorai batteries are now well established not only in NZ but very much so in the NZ racing scene. Of course, my company is a NZ company, both my companies are.

This year I am also sponsoring Team Kiwi Racing.

[nodrog]

..

This year I am also sponsoring Team Kiwi Racing.

who are they?

[Banditbandit]

How about the Larrikan Biker Classic (Oh sorry - The Graeme Crosby Classic ...)

[Edbear]

who are they?

V8 Supercars team run by David John, and Craig Beard is the no.1 driver.

[Katman]

V8 Supercars team run by David John, and Craig Beard is the no.1 driver.

You'd think you should know how to spell his name at least.

[sidecar bob]

V8 Supercars team run by David John, and Craig Beard is the no.1 driver.

These chums? http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/1756313/Bankruptcy-threatens-Team-Kiwi-Racing. They left my mate Bernie a bit short, hope your not next.

[Edbear]

You'd think you should know how to spell his name at least.

I realised that immediately but I am nearly asleep and trying to get work finished. I'm sure Craig will forgive me. Not that he's likely to visit KB...

[Maha]

I realised that immediately but I am nearly asleep and trying to get work finished. I'm sure Craig will forgive me. Not that he's likely to visit KB...

Plus he'd look naff with a Baird...:eek:

[Edbear]

These chums? http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/1756313/Bankruptcy-threatens-Team-Kiwi-Racing. They left my mate Bernie a bit short, hope your not next.

Old news now, but I can certainly ask David about it without naming anyone. He's been open and honest with me so far.

[Edbear]

Plus he'd look naff with a Baird...:eek:

I don't know, what does Mrs. Baird look like?

[ellipsis]

I realised that immediately but I am nearly asleep and trying to get work finished. I'm sure Craig will forgive me. Not that he's likely to visit KB...


...well fuck me dead with a big long stick, you are some kind of twat but I can't figure out just what kind...

[sidecar bob]

Old news now, but I can certainly ask David about it without naming anyone. He's been open and honest with me so far.
Old or not, a debt is a debt. Bernie is an absolutely top bloke, be a shame if he was never fixed up for it.

[Maha]

...well fuck me dead with a big long stick, you are some kind of twat but I can't figure out just what kind...

A bit harsh and without substance, that band wagon is almost full. :niceone:

[BuzzardNZ]

.....Wanting to make it more about NZ ...... Kiwi or Kiwi brand......



Shorai batteries are now well established not only in NZ but very much so in the NZ racing scene. Of course, my company is a NZ company, both my companies are.


Well seeing as most of NZ seems to be of Chinese descent these days, you could say that Shorai is a Kiwi brand.

[Edbear]

Well seeing as most of NZ seems to be of Chinese descent these days, you could say that Shorai is a Kiwi brand.

'Cept Shorai batteries are not Chinese...

[Edbear]

...well fuck me dead with a big long stick, you are some kind of twat but I can't figure out just what kind...


A bit harsh and without substance, that band wagon is almost full. :niceone:

Awww. Don't be too hard on him, he just failed trying to find something to diss me about. Very lame attempt really.

[BuzzardNZ]

'Cept Shorai batteries are not Chinese...

'Cept they're made there :bleh:

[sidecar bob]

Hi Ed, I understand we are able to buy naming rights to a corner this year, are you aware of that & if so, what would be the cost per corner?

[Edbear]

Hi Ed, I understand we are able to buy naming rights to a corner this year, are you aware of that & if so, what would be the cost per corner?

There are several options. Anything from an ad in the program up to naming a race. PM me your email and I will forward the schedule to you.

[eldog]

Will there be a programme of whats on I can look at BEFORE I get there? ie on the WEB

I was keen to go last year, but stupid me didn't really know what it was about :facepalm:. I got the poster etc but no idea so decided against it.

This year maybe different. I have never been much of one to goto events like concerts and races. Got board at Pukekohe when I went there one Xmas.
However I went to some speedway at the back of Rotorua once when I was working there and really enjoyed it.
I have been to the speedway at Taupo, it was a great viewing platform but I was sort of only partly entertained as there didn't seem to be enough places to pass, some races it was like a parade. but good variety.
Only when I went to the #2 track did I really enjoy it watching the sidecars - awesome.

[sidecar bob]

There are several options. Anything from an ad in the program up to naming a race. PM me your email and I will forward the schedule to you.

If the option is available I'd like to name a corner "My Pussy" i think the commentator could have some fun with that.

[Edbear]

Will there be a programme of whats on I can look at BEFORE I get there? ie on the WEB

I was keen to go last year, but stupid me didn't really know what it was about :facepalm:. I got the poster etc but no idea so decided against it.

This year maybe different. I have never been much of one to goto events like concerts and races. Got board at Pukekohe when I went there one Xmas.
However I went to some speedway at the back of Rotorua once when I was working there and really enjoyed it.
I have been to the speedway at Taupo, it was a great viewing platform but I was sort of only partly entertained as there didn't seem to be enough places to pass, some races it was like a parade. but good variety.
Only when I went to the #2 track did I really enjoy it watching the sidecars - awesome.

The website is due to be launched 1st July so there should be enough information on there.


If the option is available I'd like to name a corner "My Pussy" i think the commentator could have some fun with that.

Might have trouble getting that past the committee...

[jellywrestler]

Will there be a programme of whats on I can look at BEFORE I get there? ie on the WEB

I was keen to go last year, but stupid me didn't really know what it was about :facepalm:. I got the poster etc but no idea so decided against it.

This year maybe different. I have never been much of one to goto events like concerts and races. Got board at Pukekohe when I went there one Xmas.
However I went to some speedway at the back of Rotorua once when I was working there and really enjoyed it.
I have been to the speedway at Taupo, it was a great viewing platform but I was sort of only partly entertained as there didn't seem to be enough places to pass, some races it was like a parade. but good variety.
Only when I went to the #2 track did I really enjoy it watching the sidecars - awesome.

have you considered Prozac?

[jellywrestler]

The website is due to be launched 1st July so there should be enough information on there.



Might have trouble getting that past the committee...

why, it's in the dictionary

[husaberg]

If the option is available I'd like to name a corner "My Pussy" i think the commentator could have some fun with that.

I think that would really add something to the event. esp if Laura Mcgoldrick is doing the commentating.
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[nodrog]

.... I really enjoy it watching the sidecars - awesome.

yeah they are the best, you should buy one, I happen to have one you can buy.


If the option is available I'd like to name a corner "My Pussy" i think the commentator could have some fun with that.

I'm naming one Uranus.

"look at Prognini Strognostovich going deep into Uranus."

[eldog]

have you considered Prozac?
for?

I get bored and distracted easily.

at work they use a carrot and a stick then a kick up the arse. At home nagging doesn't work. I asked her to think about leaving yesterday.

At least the bike doesn't mind if I ride another.:cool:

[eldog]

yeah they are the best, you should buy one, I happen to have one you can buy.


I liked the noise, the atmosphere, the speed and the ability to get close to the action, pity it was the #2 track but still awesome to be there.

I wouldn't be able to get a swinger. No one would be stupid enough. I ride alone.

[eldog]

I think that would really add something to the event. esp if Laura Mcgoldrick is doing the commentating.

nah, only need commentary if I don't know whats happening.

I like to be next to the action.

At the speedway I pick the exit of a corner when the Supermodifeds come around :Oops:

[sidecar bob]

nah, only need commentary if I don't know whats happening.

I like to be next to the action.

At the speedway I pick the exit of a corner when the Supermodifeds come around :Oops:

You could get right up close & watch all the guys coming into my pussy one after the other.

[eldog]

You could get right up close & watch all the guys coming into my pussy one after the other.

and watching them power outta there, crap flying in all directions and then heading down toward Uranus..... I am sure we would see a few skid marks there

[caseye]

Well, well, sly old dog you Ed, nice work and hard work to boot, always looks good from the outside but you are up for some serious coin, TK, do/did have a rep for not coming up with the goods.
Otherwise, Way to go and good luck, I mean that, if it works your company will do well and bikers will enjoy a bloody good event.
Pleased for you mate.

[Edbear]

Old or not, a debt is a debt. Bernie is an absolutely top bloke, be a shame if he was never fixed up for it.

I caught up with Bernie on LinkedIn. Interesting conversation.

[Edbear]

Th
Well, well, sly old dog you Ed, nice work and hard work to boot, always looks good from the outside but you are up for some serious coin, TK, do/did have a rep for not coming up with the goods.
Otherwise, Way to go and good luck, I mean that, if it works your company will do well and bikers will enjoy a bloody good event.
Pleased for you mate.

Thanks mate! In talking to Duncan it sounds like he has the right people to organise it. As the newbie I will be getting all the advice and help I can in order to do it justice. Between him and me anyway, we know and agree on many of the names we want involved. I know the other members have a lot of experience in getting it done, so I will be interested in meeting them shortly.

[Edbear]

Well, well, sly old dog you Ed, nice work and hard work to boot, always looks good from the outside but you are up for some serious coin, TK, do/did have a rep for not coming up with the goods.
Otherwise, Way to go and good luck, I mean that, if it works your company will do well and bikers will enjoy a bloody good event.
Pleased for you mate.

Had some interesting conversations about TKR, not sure what to do just now but I'll try to work something out. My sponsorship deal is not a lot of money so far and not likely to increase.

[Edbear]

The Event

The Shorai Batteries International Motorcycle Classic is NZ's biggest race meeting and it's blowing up...in a good way. It's getting bigger.
Nearly 300 riders will launch themselves down the
track at Hampton Downs Motorsport Park at Labour Weekend.

And this year it's spreading its wings and morphing into an international event.

Formerly called the Barry Sheene Classic, it's now the Shorai Batteries International with riders coming from around the globe to compete.
The International is the feature race each day with the 10 fastest riders
from NZ, Australia, UK and the Rest of the World forming up to do
battle.
The 40 riders will be decked out in their country colours and national pride
will be on the line as they race their raw, high-octane machines at speeds of
more than 250 km/ph.
No traction control, anti-wheelie, launch control or other electronic trickery.
These machines are the muscle cars of the bike world.

Full grids is the mantra with race classes for pre-war bikes right through
to 1989.
This year we not only have the classic sidecars racing but also the first
round of the NZ National Championship for modern sidecars.
Isle of Man TT kiwis will be back to chase the title at Hampton Downs.

It sounds like thunder and it's modern Bears (British, European, American) racing bikes coming to the event for the first time. Ducati Panagales, RSV4 Aprilias, BMW S1000s, Triumph Daytonas, Buells.

The Oceania Challenge, an annual points race between Australia and NZ, will
be incorporated as usual in the meeting. The ozzies won it for the first
time last year. The kiwis are out for revenge.

Legends Graeme Crosby and Robbie Phillis will be on stage Sunday night
in the dinner/entertainment feature. The Great Debate is the feature with
a team of flightless kiwis taking on some bouncy ozzies to prove which country
is the quickest.

Harley Davidson's coming to play at the Shorai International. Bruce Anstey and
Robert Holden were just two of the great kiwi riders to compete on Harley's.
We will be featuring Harley dragbikes, hotrods and some eccentric builds in
the pavilion. There will also be a track ride at lunchtime for those lucky enough to own a Harley and this will be a chance to clear the carbon without a copper up your butt.

[Maha]

Extremely happy for you Ed.

[jellywrestler]

The Event


And this year it's spreading its wings and morphing into an international event.

Formerly called the Barry Sheene Classic, it's now the Shorai Batteries International with riders coming from around the globe to compete.


it has been an international event for several years so far, with riders from aussie and the UK present before

also it was previously called the barry sheene trans-tasman challenge, not the barry sheene classic

[Kickaha]

but also the first round of the NZ National Championship for modern sidecars.
I've yet to see that confirmed

[Edbear]

it has been an international event for several years so far, with riders from aussie and the UK present before

also it was previously called the barry sheene trans-tasman challenge, not the barry sheene classic

You know much more than I do of course, but I just copy pasted Duncan's email. I have a lot to learn.


I've yet to see that confirmed

As per my answer to Graeme above. The website is due to go live tomorrow.

[Voltaire]

Do the T shirts come in XXL?
http://www.fastdates.com/PLN.Images2011/ShoraiGirls891Full.700.jpg

[sidecar bob]

I've yet to see that confirmed

Correct, because it turned into a bitchfest & the person that had been trying to organising it said, fuck them all & couldn't be arsed with the usual personal agenda bullshit so prevalent with non competing sidecar people.
Doesn't mean it won't happen, just that some people are getting fuckwit fatigue & others will have to step up . . .or not.

[jellywrestler]

You know much more than I do of course, but I just copy pasted Duncan's email. I have a lot to learn.



i know i just looked at the cover of a prgram...

[Kickaha]

Correct, because it turned into a bitchfest & the person that had been trying to organising it said, fuck them all & couldn't be arsed with the usual personal agenda bullshit so prevalent with non competing sidecar people.

From what little I saw there was fuck all of a bitchfest, what surprised me was a couple of the Northern teams were more against it than those of us from the South

I couldn't really give a fuck what it's called, who has the naming rights or whether it's a National round we'd be coming to it regardless

[Edbear]

From what little I saw there was fuck all of a bitchfest, what surprised me was a couple of the Northern teams were more against it than those of us from the South

I couldn't really give a fuck what it's called, who has the naming rights or whether it's a National round we'd be coming to it regardless

Cool! We want people who just want to race and enjoy the weekend. I know the committee will do everything possible to make it a huge success, the rest is up to the competitors. :niceone:

[husaberg]

So Is it true that each competitor will be getting a free Shorai Battery?:msn-wink:

[Edbear]

So Is it true that each competitor will be getting a free Shorai Battery?:msn-wink:

If I could afford it... :laugh:

No doubt I will be offering something, but the next meeting with the committee will sort a lot out.

[husaberg]

If I could afford it... :laugh:

No doubt I will be offering something, but the next meeting with the committee will sort a lot out.

I guess it Would it be cheaper to get Laura Mcgoldric to do the commentating then maybe have her barely dressed in the Shorai gear;)

[Edbear]

Do the G]

We can supply all sizes. ..


I guess it Would it be cheaper to get Laura Mcgoldric to do the commentating then maybe dressed in the Shorai gear;)

But Spyder might object to being relegated as commentator. You could suggest he dress up in the gear..

[husaberg]

We can supply all sizes. ..



But Spyder might object to being relegated as commentator. You could suggest he dress up in the gear..

I would rather not but I suspect he would not object to sharing..........

[nodrog]

http://www.shoraibatteriesinternational.com/#meltdown-tour

cool website.

how come barry's pic is still being used? that seems a bit rough.

[Edbear]

http://www.shoraibatteriesinternational.com/#meltdown-tour

cool website.

how come barry's pic is still being used? that seems a bit rough.

They felt it was a great pic on its own merits and I had no objection to it. But also, the Aussies were retaining the event as the Barry Sheene and there is some tie up to the Aus event I think. Plus they felt it would provide a bit of continuity for the first year. We're probably going to change it next year. Everything is new and open to suggestions.

[jasonu]

I think that would really add something to the event. esp if Laura Mcgoldrick is doing the commentating.
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What about Katmans Corner... all the cunts could sit there (like those toy town bikies that revved all over the ANZAC Dawn Parade in Waiuru.

[sugilite]

They felt it was a great pic on its own merits and I had no objection to it. But also, the Aussies were retaining the event as the Barry Sheene and there is some tie up to the Aus event I think. Plus they felt it would provide a bit of continuity for the first year. We're probably going to change it next year. Everything is new and open to suggestions.

Wordpress site huh? I'm assuming it is very much work in progress look and feel wise?

[husaberg]

What about Katmans Corner... all the cunts could sit there (like those toy town bikies that revved all over the ANZAC Dawn Parade in Waiuru.

They would need plenty of kitty litter on that one. It would be neck deep in shit.

[Edbear]

Wordpress site huh? I'm assuming it is very much work in progress look and feel wise?

Yup. Still being developed. I'm not involved in the site setup.

[BuzzardNZ]

Yup. Still being developed. I'm not involved in the site setup.

It certainly is, you click on the 'tickets' link ( one of two ) and get taken to some music page ... http://www.shoraibatteriesinternational.com/music/ :bye:

[sugilite]

Yup. Still being developed. I'm not involved in the site setup.
Yep, I can see the progress made since yesterday. If they want to keep using the parellex effect on the background (which I love btw), They should consider running a black background on the text/menu containers with opacity set between 0.6 to 0.7 That way the background photo will still be perfectly visible, and the white font used for the text and menu links will be much more legible :yes:

[Edbear]

Yep, I can see the progress made since yesterday. If they want to keep using the parellex effect on the background (which I love btw), They should consider running a black background on the text/menu containers with opacity set between 0.6 to 0.7 That way the background photo will still be perfectly visible, and the white font used for the text and menu links will be much more legible :yes:

You could contact Duncan if you think you can help.

[sugilite]

You could contact Duncan if you think you can help.

I do not know Duncan. He may already be going to do something along those lines and is building the pages up first.

[Edbear]

I do not know Duncan. He may already be going to do something along those lines and is building the pages up first.

Yeah, he says there's a lot to be loaded on over the next couple of weeks.

[Edbear]

The website is coming along well. It's encouraging to note the number of riders already confirming their attendance this year.

Also pleasing is the number of endorsements I receive for the NZPCA too. It seems a lot of people like them. :yes:

[Edbear]

is gaining momentum! NZPCRA had a stand at the Classic Bike show at ASB Showgrounds, 15/16 August and attracted a lot of attention, with TV display showing interviews and a prize draw for a battery, which was won by a guy with a Goldwing.

Following Monday, 17th, we had a promotional track day at HD with Sky Sport, and Steve McIvor filming. It was shown on Wed evening, 19th. It was a very successful day with a lot of hilarity and people there such as Greg Murphy and Aaron Slight. Andrew Stroud turned up with a crew from TV3 doing a piece in him.

I was able to spend some time with Paul Garrett and get to know him better. An inspiration to anyone with a severe injury! Paralysed from the chest down, he's incredible with his attitude and dogged determination!

It was very well attended and everyone had a great day!

Check the website for any latest updates, www.shoraibatteriesinternational.com

[BuzzardNZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvnTwqePSpM

[husaberg]

Any news on Laura Mcgoldick/Haley Holt doing the commentary.
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[trustme]

So what happened, who won . How did it go , many people there ??

[sidecar bob]

Aaron Lovell & Tracey Bryan won all the sidecar races with Adam Unsworth & Stu Dawes second, Cam Donald won all the pre '82 senior races on a stunning McIntosh Suzuki, with Dean Oughtred from Australia in second on the GSX1100 that Jay Lawrence usually rides.
Didn't really follow the rest of the results, but it was a fantastic meeting catching up with Aussie chums & having fun with motorbikes in the sunshine.

[Bass]

it was a fantastic meeting catching up with Aussie chums & having fun with motorbikes in the sunshine.

Attended on Sunday and thoroughly agree with this comment.
Public attendance was disappointingly low however

[nzspokes]

Aaron Lovell & Tracey Bryan won all the sidecar races with Adam Unsworth & Stu Dawes second, Cam Donald won all the pre '82 senior races on a stunning McIntosh Suzuki, with Dean Oughtred from Australia in second on the GSX1100 that Jay Lawrence usually rides.
Didn't really follow the rest of the results, but it was a fantastic meeting catching up with Aussie chums & having fun with motorbikes in the sunshine.

You mean you came to Auckland?

[sidecar bob]

You mean you came to Auckland?

Is Hampton Downs Auckland now too? I hope not, it's quite a nice spot.

[buggerit]

Is Hampton Downs Auckland now too? I hope not, it's quite a nice spot.

Nah, still Waikato, we pump them water from just down the road, so those upstream could remember to flush twice please, the jafas
need the water:lol:

[Luckylegs]

Attended on Sunday and thoroughly agree with this comment.
Public attendance was disappointingly low however

It was a protest at the new sponser

[Edbear]

So what happened, who won . How did it go , many people there ??


Attended on Sunday and thoroughly agree with this comment.
Public attendance was disappointingly low however

Friday set up day was very busy and Saturday wasa wash out most of the day. I think a lot of people were worried that it was going to be a wet weekend. But we knew the weather forecast was good so while Sunday morning attendance was down, as the day went on it started filling up and they opened another bike park. Attendance overall was very good and when we have the debrief we'll know exactly how it went.

What I can tell you is that every single person I spoke to was effusive in their praise of the weekend especially the large Aussie contingent. They all loved the event and are determined to spread the word for next year. I was approached regularly throughout the weekend and told how much my sponsorship was appreciated but of course, I had the easy part to play. Duncan Coutts and Pete McMillan deserve the most credit for saving an event that was very nearly lost to NZ and organising what turned out to be the best ever and internationally supported. At this point it could become a four day event as Australia is working towards.

For myself it was the biggest thing I have done and everyone wants my involvement to continue and increase.

We thoroughly enjoyed it and all the big names, like Croz, Hugh Anderson, Alan Johnston and many more plus the MKR celeb chefs and others were buzzing in their enthusiasm.

Everyone loved the venue despite the building work going on and really want to return next year when the full track should be available.

[Kickaha]

At this point it could become a four day event as Australia is working towards.

We probably wouldn't bother coming up to it if it was

Even though it would have penalised us badly in one race not having the rolling grid sucked

Not sure about entry numbers compared to other years but the skid pan was a lot more empty

[Edbear]

We probably wouldn't bother coming up to it if it was

Even though it would have penalised us badly in one race not having the rolling grid sucked

Not sure about entry numbers compared to other years but the skid pan was a lot more empty


This is the sort of feedback we need. We want to get as much input into the future of the event as we can, in order to attract as many riders as possible.

Racing around the country is not cheap, and people are always scrounging for money and sponsorship. I can only imagine what it cost the teams from Aussie to come over for four days. They all had a ball, though!

If anyone involved would like to put in their thoughts by way of a submission, or just a comment, I can take it to the debriefing and discuss it with Duncan and the NZPCRA, and liaise with our Aussie counterparts.

I also want to thank the Sidecar Racing Association, and Tracy Bryan in particular, for the hard work she and the team did to support the weekend! Without the volunteers and flag marshals, of course, such events just wouldn't happen!

With so many events on the cards from now on, it is always going to be a juggle with riders as to where they focus their best efforts, but I do know that the Classic is well supported and well liked. A lot of old guys with middle-age-spread and grey hair were in their element last weekend! Some amazing examples of older bikes with both old and young riders were getting a lot of photo attention!

To have the likes of Cam Donald, Alex Phyllis and his Dad, Alan Johnston, and so many more world class riders, relaxed and having fun was great to see.

[sidecar bob]

Even though it would have penalised us badly in one race not having the rolling grid sucked


Fuckin tell me about it. Try having the pole sitter break down in qualifying & end up on the 5th row all weekend.

[gjm]

There were some curious on the day comments.

I was in the pits (for reference).

The riders briefing was generally felt to not be as helpful as it might have been.
The decision to route riders to a dummy grid along the front of the pits was certainly questionable - that area was filled with loitering and wandering spectators.
There were also mutterings (from the pits, and from riders) about start/finish straight light control, certainly on Sunday.

However, in the grand scheme of things, these are relatively minor issues (although if a member of the public in jandals had a foot run over it may have been different) that can be readily addressed. Practice was a bit soggy (to say the least!) but raceday was beautiful. More than a few red noses around. :)

It's a great event. As an ex-Brit I'm a little disappointed to see Bazzer's name dropped from the headline, but on the day it was the racing, the atmosphere and the camaraderie that made it great.

[sidecar bob]

Id also like to thank Dean Oughtred for making my bike look fuckin fast & for being an absolute gentleman all weekend as well.
And also nodrog for lending us his awesome red BMW sidecar, upon which much fun was had.

[Edbear]

There were some curious on the day comments.

I was in the pits (for reference).

The riders briefing was generally felt to not be as helpful as it might have been.
The decision to route riders to a dummy grid along the front of the pits was certainly questionable - that area was filled with loitering and wandering spectators.
There were also mutterings (from the pits, and from riders) about start/finish straight light control, certainly on Sunday.

However, in the grand scheme of things, these are relatively minor issues (although if a member of the public in jandals had a foot run over it may have been different) that can be readily addressed. Practice was a bit soggy (to say the least!) but raceday was beautiful. More than a few red noses around. :)

It's a great event. As an ex-Brit I'm a little disappointed to see Bazzer's name dropped from the headline, but on the day it was the racing, the atmosphere and the camaraderie that made it great.

I was talking to Kevin Grant and he, too, wanted the Barry Sheene name to stay. He accepted the decision, though, and when Duncan asked me what I wanted to do about the pic, I was emphatic that it should remain as is. I said there was too much history with the event to make major changes and the tie up with Australia was a key part of the series. So going forward we will be discussing how to keep the association closely tied in and may use the Trans Tasman Challenge as a suitable tie. Some Aussies were more concerned with the link between the two countries as much as the Barry Sheene title, but we'll discuss it with everyone concerned and work to keeping it recognisable.

I'm not so concerned about making it "my" weekend as much as being able to help it continue and grow as an international meet that everyone wants to race in. So continuity is important to me.

And you are so right about what made the weekend!


Id also like to thank Dean Oughtred for making my bike look fuckin fast & for being an absolute gentleman all weekend as well.

He was as you say! That dude can ride! :first:

[Kickaha]

The decision to route riders to a dummy grid along the front of the pits was certainly questionable - that area was filled with loitering and wandering spectators.
There were also mutterings (from the pits, and from riders) about start/finish straight light control, certainly on Sunday.

That is how it is done at every track in the country, going out the back and around the end you would have the same problem, only way around it is making pit lane a racer/crew only area like the car racing poofters do at some events and good luck with enforcing that

What was the start/finish light control issue?

[Katman]

I'm not so concerned about making it "my" weekend.....

Of course not. :whistle:


I was approached regularly throughout the weekend and told how much my sponsorship was appreciated.

For myself it was the biggest thing I have done and everyone wants my involvement to continue and increase.

[Edbear]

That is how it is done at every track in the country, going out the back and around the end you would have the same problem, only way around it is making pit lane a racer/crew only area like the car racing poofters do at some events and good luck with enforcing that

What was the start/finish light control issue?

We did discuss that issue briefly, and while most would like the public access to continue, we do need to address how to educate the public and ensure the ease of access along the pits by the riders. Signage, and verbal announcements may be one way. The Aussies I spoke to liked the lack of red tape and OSH interference by comparison with Australia which is squeezing them ever tighter.

[jellywrestler]

Everyone loved the venue despite the building work going on and really want to return next year when the full track should be available.

quickest way to ruin it, same number of bikes spread out further and less corner dicing action, twice the number of flag marshalls and 2-3 lap races due to the distance, spectators won't be able to see in the distance, nor will the commentators; big is not always better.

[Edbear]

quickest way to ruin it, same number of bikes spread out further and less corner dicing action, twice the number of flag marshalls and 2-3 lap races due to the distance, spectators won't be able to see in the distance, nor will the commentators; big is not always better.

Fair point. I guess the riders will have a significant say in what they prefer.

[ellipsis]

Fair point. I guess the riders will have a significant say in what they prefer.



...yeah right...we are the first on everybodys list...hahahaha...

[Bass]

big is not always better.

Agreed, but in this case, according to the published plans, the extra track is pretty much all medium to tight corners and doesn't take the racers as far away from the crowd as some of the existing track already does.
I don't know the length of the additions but looking at the diagram now, I guess the track would extend by about 30%, so the number of laps per race should only drop proportionately, if at all.

[gjm]

That is how it is done at every track in the country, going out the back and around the end you would have the same problem, only way around it is making pit lane a racer/crew only area like the car racing poofters do at some events and good luck with enforcing that

What was the start/finish light control issue?

I didn't attend the rider's briefing, but was told it was a bit confusing with regard to dummy grids. When riders came in after a red flag, there were some heading straight down the pit lane, and some peeling right and around the end of the pits. I've been at HD many, many times, and that was the first time I'd seen it done that way. (Doesn't mean it hasn't happened before, of course.)
I'm not the Clerk of the Course and if that was the decision, then fine. But... What would be wrong with having everyone go straight through the pits and wait at the exit?

Let's not make the pits a crew-only area, but let's perhaps keep an eye on the pit lane so muppets don't walk down the middle when bikes are lining up to go out.

Lights:
After one red flag following a first lap accident, bikes came in and some headed straight through the pits, some went round. All riders then went back out to form up on the start/finish lane grid again. 5 red lights were showing on the gantry to show the red flag (fine so far...) but these were still on after the riders had reformed. Riders waited, then the reds went out (to start the light sequence) and there was a false start: all reds out means GO!
There were also a few occasions where the grid appeared to be held a lo-o-ong time before the light sequence was initiated. Not ideal for those on old two strokes, but I guess it was the same for everyone. Still, comments like "I thought we were never going to start" weren't uncommon. (I appreciate that once the sequence starts, it's random - the issue is that the sequence wasn't started.)


As I said: little things, hopefully easily fixed.

[Kiwi Graham]

Everyone loved the venue despite the building work going on and really want to return next year when the full track should be available.



I don't know the length of the additions but looking at the diagram now, I guess the track would extend by about 30%, so the number of laps per race should only drop proportionately, if at all.

The initial (full track) track plan would indicate 50 - 51 marshals that's over 8k cost to cover marshals alone plus there's the huge risk of not being able to find 150+ marshals for the existing 3 day meeting, 200+ if you make it a 4 day meeting.
Add to that the cost of the international circuit in addition to the price increase in the new year for hire costs at Hampton Downs.
We are soon to get a real shock at the cost of;
a. running a meeting at HD
b. entry price for that meeting as a rider

[RE5]

The initial (full track) track plan would indicate 50 - 51 marshals that's over 8k cost to cover marshals alone plus there's the huge risk of not being able to find 150+ marshals for the existing 3 day meeting, 200+ if you make it a 4 day meeting.
Add to that the cost of the international circuit in addition to the price increase in the new year for hire costs at Hampton Downs.
We are soon to get a real shock at the cost of;
a. running a meeting at HD
b. entry price for that meeting as a rider

What are the costs going up to?

[nodrog]

I didn't attend the rider's briefing, but was told it was a bit confusing with regard to dummy grids. When riders came in after a red flag, there were some heading straight down the pit lane, and some peeling right and around the end of the pits. I've been at HD many, many times, and that was the first time I'd seen it done that way. (Doesn't mean it hasn't happened before, of course.)
I'm not the Clerk of the Course and if that was the decision, then fine. But... What would be wrong with having everyone go straight through the pits and wait at the exit?

Let's not make the pits a crew-only area, but let's perhaps keep an eye on the pit lane so muppets don't walk down the middle when bikes are lining up to go out.

Lights:
After one red flag following a first lap accident, bikes came in and some headed straight through the pits, some went round. All riders then went back out to form up on the start/finish lane grid again. 5 red lights were showing on the gantry to show the red flag (fine so far...) but these were still on after the riders had reformed. Riders waited, then the reds went out (to start the light sequence) and there was a false start: all reds out means GO!
There were also a few occasions where the grid appeared to be held a lo-o-ong time before the light sequence was initiated. Not ideal for those on old two strokes, but I guess it was the same for everyone. Still, comments like "I thought we were never going to start" weren't uncommon. (I appreciate that once the sequence starts, it's random - the issue is that the sequence wasn't started.)



As I said: little things, hopefully easily fixed.

maybe some cunts should actually listen at riders briefing.

[Edbear]

The riders briefing was supposed to be in the pavilion and Duncan was only told 5min before that it was in the pits. Sadly some didn't have a loud voice but it was too late to get my portable PA out. Something we will be addressing for next year.

Communication is tricky in the best conditions let alone those.

[Kiwi Graham]

What are the costs going up to?

They haven't been released yet.

[sidecar bob]

What are the costs going up to?

Anyone tipping tens of millions into something will be wanting to at least claw back a bit of the loss, because you can bet he wont be making a profit out of owning the place.
Every competitor that uses Hampton Downs should consider themselves to be sponsored by VIP petfoods.

[Grumph]

The initial (full track) track plan would indicate 50 - 51 marshals that's over 8k cost to cover marshals alone plus there's the huge risk of not being able to find 150+ marshals for the existing 3 day meeting, 200+ if you make it a 4 day meeting.
Add to that the cost of the international circuit in addition to the price increase in the new year for hire costs at Hampton Downs.
We are soon to get a real shock at the cost of;
a. running a meeting at HD
b. entry price for that meeting as a rider

Yup, those are the biggies. plus the ambulance costs are historically higher in Auckland than elsewhere.
For the first few years of running small club days at Ruapuna post extensions, we often used the outer circuit which cuts across from the hairpin to the dipper. Saved on marshalls considerably. Most small days now use the B track.
Is the layout at HD going to allow a short version ?
Is it laid out so that two circuits can be run simultaneously ?

[Kickaha]

maybe some cunts should actually listen at riders briefing.

I liked it a lot better when I was a passenger and didn't have to

[ellipsis]

...my observations of riders at briefings over a span have been , one or two funny wankers laughing and joking, 70% of riders pulling their leathers out of the crack in their arse, twenty percent adjusting their balls and the rest either looking pensive or terrified of turn one...and about 00.1% listening to anything...

[jellywrestler]

...my observations of riders at briefings over a span have been , one or two funny wankers laughing and joking, 70% of riders pulling their leathers out of the crack in their arse, twenty percent adjusting their balls and the rest either looking pensive or terrified of turn one...and about 00.1% listening to anything...

and you studying everyone else and not listening...

[ellipsis]

and you studying everyone else and not listening...

...I was usually doing the talking...

[Kiwi Graham]

Yup, those are the biggies. plus the ambulance costs are historically higher in Auckland than elsewhere.
For the first few years of running small club days at Ruapuna post extensions, we often used the outer circuit which cuts across from the hairpin to the dipper. Saved on marshalls considerably. Most small days now use the B track.
Is the layout at HD going to allow a short version ?
Is it laid out so that two circuits can be run simultaneously ?

The completed layout will allow three options;
Full international circuit (existing plus extension) = 3.8k
Club circuit (just the new extension looping back on itself) = 1.2k
National circuit (what we have now) = 2.8k

And yes the club and National circuit will be able to run at the same time.

All will have their own price structure based on the day of the week (weekday or weekend) and time of the day (daytime or evening).

We are expecting the new pricing for circuit hire to be released 'soon'.

As far as AMCC is concerned we will have no choice but to pass this increase onto the entry price, we are all collectively holding our breath....

[Grumph]

The completed layout will allow three options;
Full international circuit (existing plus extension) = 3.8k
Club circuit (just the new extension looping back on itself) = 1.2k
National circuit (what we have now) = 2.8k

And yes the club and National circuit will be able to run at the same time.

All will have their own price structure based on the day of the week (weekday or weekend) and time of the day (daytime or evening).

We are expecting the new pricing for circuit hire to be released 'soon'.

As far as AMCC is concerned we will have no choice but to pass this increase onto the entry price, we are all collectively holding our breath....

Sounds good. We often see a car club doing bent sprints or driving tests on the South end of Ruapuna when we're at the B track. Someone is sure to want to put a Motard track in the middle too. Again, the one here can be used while a meeting is on down at the B track. It all helps the operators pocket hence charges stay lower...Very few of the meetings run here by the two smaller clubs use the full circuit. Marshals and money....

[malcy25]

I was talking to Kevin Grant and he, too, wanted the Barry Sheene name to stay. He accepted the decision,

Ed, What was Kevin's official capacity in accepting the decision? As I understand it the classic register decided to be involved from an organisational perspective, essentially stepping away from any official capacity. Thus his comment would only then be his opinion?

[Edbear]

Ed, What was Kevin's official capacity in accepting the decision? As I understand it the classic register decided to be involved from an organisational perspective, essentially stepping away from any official capacity. Thus his comment would only then be his opinion?

I believe it was his opinion only. I don't know if it was representative of all or some. I could see his point, should I not continue with my sponsorship, though others have opined that the name is not so crucial, as the recognisable tie between NZ and Australia is the main thing we want to maintain and grow. Particularly the Trans Tasman Challenge.

We'll have a debrief shortly and will discuss the event and our options going forward. I am certainly keen to remain as naming sponsor. Especially for this year, I wanted to maintain the advertising as it was, using Barry Sheene's picture and the poster layout to give continuity. However we will be looking for ideas, if anyone involved wants to make a submission.

[malcy25]

I believe it was his opinion only. I don't know if it was representative of all or some. I could see his point, should I not continue with my sponsorship, though others have opined that the name is not so crucial, as the recognisable tie between NZ and Australia is the main thing we want to maintain and grow. Particularly the Trans Tasman Challenge.

We'll have a debrief shortly and will discuss the event and our options going forward. I am certainly keen to remain as naming sponsor. Especially for this year, I wanted to maintain the advertising as it was, using Barry Sheene's picture and the poster layout to give continuity. However we will be looking for ideas, if anyone involved wants to make a submission.

Ed, be good if you did stay involved as a sponsor at whatever level and thanks for stepping up for this year. I met B Sheene esq years ago and he was a top bloke to talk to and drink beer with on and off over a weekend, but as someone said, the link to NZ is somewhat tenuous. I can see the linkage for Aussie as he did ride a number of times at the event that is now the Barry Sheene at Eastern Creek. Having our event here as the such and such International Classic probably has more relevance to joe public - by driving the trans tasman challenge. Over this have the Barry Sheene Aussie event linkage through images etc. I think the mix as it became was great.

An option could be to include the profiling of a significant NZ racer each year. the US do it at times using a term like "Grand Marshall". But sort of like a testimonial event or whatever. have them as a guest, autographs, be part of the promotion, speaking at the function and raise the profile of their input to the sport that many people may not be aware of.

[Edbear]

Ed, be good if you did stay involved as a sponsor at whatever level and thanks for stepping up for this year. I met B Sheene esq years ago and he was a top bloke to talk to and drink beer with on and off over a weekend, but as someone said, the link to NZ is somewhat tenuous. I can see the linkage for Aussie as he did ride a number of times at the event that is now the Barry Sheene at Eastern Creek. Having our event here as the such and such International Classic probably has more relevance to joe public - by driving the trans tasman challenge. Over this have the Barry Sheene Aussie event linkage through images etc. I think the mix as it became was great.

An option could be to include the profiling of a significant NZ racer each year. the US do it at times using a term like "Grand Marshall". But sort of like a testimonial event or whatever. have them as a guest, autographs, be part of the promotion, speaking at the function and raise the profile of their input to the sport that many people may not be aware of.

I agree mate, everyone I spoke to was enthusiastic about the event especially the Aussies, who Duncan Coutts targeted for a better inclusions this time. It was pretty much a joint effort between Duncan and Pete McMillan(?) from Aus. And they did a great job! The hard work and support from the Sidecar Racing Association and the NZPCRA was amazing and they deserve huge credit for their efforts. I really had the easy part.

There are a number of notable NZ racers I want to get involved. Croz was involved this year and had a ball, but there's also Richard Scott and others who deserve some recognition from the '70's. In the racing scene there are so many who have played a major role in the sport, Vicky Strieffler,(?), Avalon, Sam Love, Shaun Harris, etc. who have all lifted the profile here and overseas. Add in the likes of Tony Rees, Andrew Stroud, Ray Clee, Dave Cole, Dennis Charlett - the list goes on! Then you add the "now" racers in their 20's and 30's!

Hugh Anderson was there and in his element at 80+. Too many to list here! Brett from BRM had a great day on his dyno, giving people both a reality check and some real encouragement too.

The Aussies definitely want to come back. Alan Johnston, Cam Donald, Rob and Alex Phyllis, Peter McMillan, and so on - everyone loved it.

[wildman]

I'm a bit late coming on to this thread but anyway, i attended the event on the Sunday as a spectator so here's my take on it as a spectator, overall the event left me feeling a bit ho hum. The competitor numbers seemed to be down and there appeared to be a lot of empty space in the pit area compared to previous years. I didn't feel an atmosphere there and i noticed there was very little in the way of trade displays. There were to many bike races and not enough sidecar events, bikes bore me and they all look the same [ i'll probably get a backlash on that one ] I looked over the bikes inside on display and maybe you could of had some people with them to tell us about them or maybe show some old video footage of them racing. It only cost me entry fee and what ever i ate so i spent very little compared to any of the competitors, but i dont think if i was a competitor i would want to be there for four days. I dont think we have the population or fan base to extend the event to four days. Sorry to be a bit negative but you did ask for feedback, and i hope my comments can be of some benefit and i look forward to seeing how you develope the event out next year

[Edbear]

Your comments are valid and appreciated. While a huge effort was put in, it was a bit time restricted by the time Duncan and the NZPCRA put their hands up to do the event and there was also a problem with potential sponsors having already taken on other events.

With the great success we had though, we'll be earlier to start organising next year's event and looking to get some major sponsors involved. The Suzuki series and NZSBK take a lot of sponsorship too.

So with better timing and more effort into it we are sure it will be better next time

[jellywrestler]

NZSBK take a lot of sponsorship too.

just seen the poster, it's funeral black, looks like they've got no-one at all....

[jellywrestler]

The competitor numbers seemed to be down and there appeared to be a lot of empty space in the pit area compared to previous years. I didn't feel an atmosphere there and i noticed there was very little in the way of trade displays. There were to many bike races and not enough sidecar events,

i've been to all the BS meets, last year the pit sheds weren't used much at all, this year they were, don't think as muh the competitor numbers had changed, just were in different areas.
The sidecars got the same amount of races as every other class, can't get any fairer than that.

[wildman]

i've been to all the BS meets, last year the pit sheds weren't used much at all, this year they were, don't think as muh the competitor numbers had changed, just were in different areas.
The sidecars got the same amount of races as every other class, can't get any fairer than that.

Fair call, although the rest of my comment was bikes bore me and they all look the same so i wouldn't care if they got rid of some bike classes and ran more sidecar events. Just my personal opinion and no not a very fair or realistic one.

[Edbear]

Fair call, although the rest of my comment was bikes bore me and they all look the same so i wouldn't care if they got rid of some bike classes and ran more sidecar events. Just my personal opinion and no not a very fair or realistic one.

:ar15: :lol: :niceone:

[Voltaire]

Fair call, although the rest of my comment was bikes bore me and they all look the same so i wouldn't care if they got rid of some bike classes and ran more sidecar events. Just my personal opinion and no not a very fair or realistic one.

I find the Olympics boring other than the womens Beach Volleyball, they should have more of that :laugh:

[sidecar bob]

I find the Olympics boring other than the womens Beach Volleyball, they should have more of that :laugh:

All icing & no cake make Johnny a very sick boy.:msn-wink:

[caseye]

All icing & no cake make Johnny a very sick boy.:msn-wink:

LOOL He's already sick!
Keep at it Ed.

[Voltaire]

All icing & no cake make Johnny a very sick boy.:msn-wink:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtpcbGUIEAA-niL.jpg

" Wot you fink James, cake or icing geezer"

" Icing, Bazza, the breakfast of champions"

[wildman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtpcbGUIEAA-niL.jpg

" Wot you fink James, cake or icing geezer"

" Icing, Bazza, the breakfast of champions"

I wonder if he's using his sponsor's product?

[Edbear]

LOOL He's already sick!
Keep at it Ed.

At HD for the first round of the Suzuki series and everyone wants me to keep the sponsorship! Very encouraging to hear the comments !