TU bliss tyre system

[puddytat]

Anyone here using it?

The reviews seem pretty damn good on the newer generation incarnation.
I like the idea of no pinch flats on rocky terrain (rocky 'round here) & being able to run such low PSI.
Just oohing & aaahing over the price.
Or do real men use tubes?

[pete-blen]

Anyone here using it?



"trialsrider" uses and sells them..
go to his site.... "motomox"




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Anyone here using it?



The reviews seem pretty damn good on the newer generation incarnation.

I like the idea of no pinch flats on rocky terrain (rocky 'round here) & being able to run such low PSI.

Just oohing & aaahing over the price.

Or do real men use tubes?


I've got one on my Beta RR300 on the rear tyre and currently running 3.5 psi, the traction is amazing. You will need a compressor that can do 110 psi though. I have a small portable one from supercheap goes to 150psi that i have in the car on trail rides also a digital tyre gauge for the low reading. I have found that you need to check high pressure side and maybe top up before a ride as they can lose a bit of pressure. If you get a puncture you can repair with that waxy rope stuff. You can ride home quietly on a flat and the tyre stays on the rim perfectly. Hope this helps

[NordieBoy]

NordieBro uses them on his RM125 for enduros etc.
Loves them.

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NordieBro uses them on his RM125 for enduros etc.
Loves them.


Do you use one on your front tyre ? I tend to run higher pressure in front but that's to stop pinch flats.
Also i wonder what they would be like on my Wr450 which can do some road, adventure, etc. My concern is finding a compressor at fuel stations able to pump high pressure side if needed

[puddytat]

Done gone placed my order for a rear y'all...
Aint going to git nuthin cheaper in the U.S so I done the motomox thing.
Cheers for the feedback fellas.

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Done gone placed my order for a rear y'all...

Aint going to git nuthin cheaper in the U.S so I done the motomox thing.

Cheers for the feedback fellas.


Just a note. On the instructions it tells you to fit with a new tyre, my tyre was half worn but i refitted it anyway and had no problems

[NordieBoy]

Do you use one on your front tyre ? I tend to run higher pressure in front but that's to stop pinch flats.
Also i wonder what they would be like on my Wr450 which can do some road, adventure, etc. My concern is finding a compressor at fuel stations able to pump high pressure side if needed
Small road push bike pump.

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Awesome thanks Nordieboy

[Tazz]

Do you use one on your front tyre ? I tend to run higher pressure in front but that's to stop pinch flats.
Also i wonder what they would be like on my Wr450 which can do some road, adventure, etc. My concern is finding a compressor at fuel stations able to pump high pressure side if needed

I was just doing a bit of reading about em last week and a few advrider dudes have been running them on the road without any trouble.

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I was just doing a bit of reading about em last week and a few advrider dudes have been running them on the road without any trouble.


That's excellent, I'll give it a go. Cheers Tazz

[Tazz]

That's excellent, I'll give it a go. Cheers Tazz

No problemo. Have a quick nose yourself as the need to balance is mentioned, but it is most likely from people with road biased tahs.

If I wasn't in a bit of a financial pinch they'd be on the way for the next tyre replacement :niceone:

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Sweet WR is balanced from dusty butt, although i just bought a balancer off tardme $88 will do all the bikes

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This will do very nicely indeed

[Trials Rider]

Hi Guys

I run the TuBliss front and rear, they are brilliant, easy to fit and work very well, Watch the video and you will see how easy they are to fit and peel off, no smoke and mirrors, just good technique.
http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=271

My Beta 498 is road registered for ADV riding so running up to 100kph no worries, I know these are used in the Dakar and they are running very high speeds no worries.
Balancing them is same as balancing a tyre with rim locks, this is what I used, very easy to set up and near perfect balance, only takes a few minutes.
http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=282#prod_images

I tend to run lower pressures on my Beta 498, 8-10 psi front and 6- 8 PSI rear, the big benefit of having the TuBliss bead lock it locks to the tyre and rim right around, on a ride a few weeks ago up the Clyde river with all my gear on board my tyre pressure was 6psi in the front and rear, the tyre moulded around the rocks giving plenty of traction without the risk of rim damage.

The beauty with the TuBliss is it takes up around 30% of the tyre cavity so you can change tyre pressure quickly even with a hand pump because you are only pumping up roughly 70% of the normal air capacity.
I have a good quality mountain bike pump for pumping up the tyre and the TuBliss if needed.

I am running the tractionator tyres both ends, I use the S/T which is the soft compound, they are a strong tyre, are wearing well and plenty of grip, I say this because the Beta 498 is not the most tyre friendly bike to ride and the tractionator is taking the punishment.

Rear tyre http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=252
Front tyre http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=253

[Night Falcon]

Hi Guys
I tend to run lower pressures on my Beta 498, 8-10 psi front and 6- 8 PSI rear, the big benefit of having the TuBliss bead lock it locks to the tyre and rim right around, on a ride a few weeks ago up the Clyde river with all my gear on board my tyre pressure was 6psi in the front and rear, the tyre moulded around the rocks giving plenty of traction without the risk of rim damage.


Does running those low pressures have a noticeable impact on your tire life getting too and from the trails? Or do you stop deflate then pump them up for the road bitz?

[Trials Rider]

Does running those low pressures have a noticeable impact on your tire life getting too and from the trails? Or do you stop deflate then pump them up for the road bitz?

Hard to tell because I don't know what I would have got if the pressures where higher, I deflate them at the end of the road for the trail ride day or weekend ADV ride and then a couple of minutes at the end to pump them up (if I am not tired or feeling lazy)

If I am going for a blat from home out to the waimak (5kms) on an unloaded bike I will leave from here with 6psi Rear, 8psi front.

[puddytat]

I've got grip......lots & lots of grip.....less skidz & more wheelies.:2thumbsup
Easy as to mount the TUbliss...& using the tyre that came off the rim doesn't seem to be an issue with leaking.
I did put some sealant around the liner & the tyre beads though....& will probably put some in the Tyre itself at some point.
So it seems to do everything its 'sposed to, though Im unsure of exactly what psi I ended up with as my gauges are a tad different so I think somewhere between 6-10 psi. Doesn't help much though on ice.....
So cheers motomox trialsrider ,& I can see a front in my future.The spoke weights are good too.:yes:

[Transalper]

Stop it, I'm trying to stop my spending..... but I do like traction.

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Stop it, I'm trying to stop my spending..... but I do like traction.


Think of the traction at Dalethorpe trail ride

[puddytat]

Think of Trials like traction......:drool:

[Takataka]

Sounds good.

Just had a look at the main product website (http://nuetech.com/tubliss/#sthash.JISIkxdV.mriURmfd.dpbs)

It says "for offroad use only". Is this just because it's not certified for road use, because they don't want to be blamed in the case of an accident related to failure of the product or is there some real reason why it's not suitable for long miles on the road?

Also it says to use 0-10 psi in the tire. I assume this is just to get good off road tracktion and you can use much higher pressures if you are doing road miles?

[puddytat]

Sounds good.

Just had a look at the main product website (http://nuetech.com/tubliss/#sthash.JISIkxdV.mriURmfd.dpbs)

It says "for offroad use only". Is this just because it's not certified for road use, because they don't want to be blamed in the case of an accident related to failure of the product or is there some real reason why it's not suitable for long miles on the road?

Also it says to use 0-10 psi in the tire. I assume this is just to get good off road tracktion and you can use much higher pressures if you are doing road miles?

I think its because its from the land of the free & the home of the lawsuit.....& they are quite rightly trying to avoid the possibility of litigation if Joe Muppet tries to get his knee down on 6psi on the way home.:doh:

I think that the product is more than up to doing the speed limit because a lot of fellas in the states dessert race with these & they are probably doing pretty high speeds tapped out in top across knarly terrain.
No worries running your normal road pressure as the tyre is still the same just without the tube. The TUbliss liner is really just a massive rimlock that protects your rim.....& as such its pressure is to support the rim & to exert the 100psi against the tyre bead so that the tyre bead itself, is what makes the tyre airtight against the outer rim The liner itself, becomes what makes the drop centre where the spokes are , airtight. Not the rim tape, which is to protect the inner bladder from the spokes, just like you have a rubber thingy in the drop with a tube.

So I think we're sweet au:yes:

Balancing may be a consideration though....

[pete-blen]

If you are running sensable pressures you should be ok
infact with out a tube the tyre should run cooler..

i would like to try a couple in the TTR....


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[pete-blen]

just found this forum discussion on the tublis system

http://www.woodsracer.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?12869-Nuetech-Tubliss

[NordieBoy]

There's a good thread on advrider about using them on adventure bikes.

[puddytat]

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/bib-mousse-or-tubliss-in-the-rockies.881324/

[NordieBoy]

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/tubliss-on-a-dualsport-adventure-bike.560599/

[Trials Rider]

Hi All

Well it is the same every time on forums, the I don't own one, I am an expert because I have never tried it arm chair critics are always there putting their 10 cents worth in which in fact is worth less than 2 cents, it often comes from complete guess work which is not fair on any product but it is the nature of forums, anyone can be a key board expert.

I run the tubliss in my GasGas EC300 and my Beta 498 front and rear and I guess the first thing I would ask is would I go back to tubs, well the simple answer is no and the complicated answer is still no.

I love the tubliss, it answers so many problems associated with lower tyre pressure like pinch flats, ripping out valve stems, traction, bike stability at lower pressures and the list goes on, so many riding scenarios are just better when you tyre is completely held in place allowing the tread to do what it is designed for, mould for traction.

Just to try it out I pulled the valve out of the tyre side of the tubliss, so 100psi in the tubliss and effectively an open hole in my tyre 0 psi, I then went for a ride at 100kph to see how it was, was it as nice as having 10psi in the tyre, no, was it still completely ridable to get home at open road speed, yes totally, I did this will all my gear on the back which is worst case scenario and it was fine to ride, with the bike unloaded it was no issue at all.

So I guess after this big rant I am pleased with the Tubliss, it does everything I thought it would and a lot more I didn't think of.

[puddytat]

I had my first decent ride on mine yesterday, through mud, clay, tree roots, tree litter, rocks that are sharp & edgy , swept gravel road, freshly graded & deep gravel road & shiny tarseal crap country road. And a few stream crossings.
.................it was awwwsum. Everywhere.

And a way plusher ride....:rockon:

[Transalper]

Just had them installed today, you can pretty much ignore any of those links talking about the early generation 1 Tubliss, the system has had some major improvements since then.

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Just had them installed today, you can pretty much ignore any of those links talking about the early generation 1 Tubliss, the system has had some major improvements since then.


Haha TA ya had to do it didn't ya ? Well you are just gonna love them, and wonder why it took you so long to do it. Thought you were saving money haha.

[pete-blen]

Haha TA ya had to do it didn't ya ? Well you are just gonna love them, and wonder why it took you so long to do it. Thought you were saving money haha.

Think he's getting all geared up for Dalethorpe.....

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Think he's getting all geared up for Dalethorpe.....


Yes Pete i think you're dead right. Unfortunately I'm not able to make it (family commitment's) so that'll be three I've missed, bugger, never mind. I hope you have good weather and a great day. I look forward to your ride report. Cheers

[pete-blen]

Yes Pete i think you're dead right. Unfortunately I'm not able to make it (family commitment's) so that'll be three I've missed, bugger, never mind. I hope you have good weather and a great day. I look forward to your ride report. Cheers

yer.... family's have alot to answer for.........:angry2:
one reason why I have not done alot of riding in the
last year or so... can't leave the boy home alone or he's
playing rugby... So buy him a bike & drag him along...:yes:

[Metastable]

Well - mine came with the bike KTM 200xcw which i use off road only. I haven't taken the tire off, but I assume it is the Gen 1 Tubliss system. I have to fill it with air fairly often (once every 2 weeks or so). One nice thing was that the front tire did get a puncture and it was plugged like a car tire and has been good since. I bought a spare tire just in case, but haven't needed it just yet.

[Trials Rider]

Haha TA ya had to do it didn't ya ? Well you are just gonna love them, and wonder why it took you so long to do it. Thought you were saving money haha.

Ha he is also lucky he knows the good bastard Paul from Motomox:woohoo: (I might be a little bias in that statement :facepalm:) that helped him fit them carefully :bash: , nothing like having chinese takeaways, watching a DVD then fitting two TuBliss set ups:clap:

He is all set for Dalethorpe and we expect big things now (no pressure Carl:eek5:)

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Ha he is also lucky he knows the good bastard Paul from Motomox:woohoo: (I might be a little bias in that statement :facepalm:) that helped him fit them carefully :bash: , nothing like having chinese takeaways, watching a DVD then fitting two TuBliss set ups:clap:

He is all set for Dalethorpe and we expect big things now (no pressure Carl:eek5:)


Well done you good bastard you Paul. Now there will be no stories of either of you falling off, just to prove to all the "naysayers" how good "Tu-Bliss" really is. Good stuff !! Have fun

[Trials Rider]

Well done you good bastard you Paul. Now there will be no stories of either of you falling off, just to prove to all the "naysayers" how good "Tu-Bliss" really is. Good stuff !! Have fun

Ah yes I do have a few excuses left in my pockets as to why I keep falling off though, its the bike, its the tyres, I am tied, I am old, someone cut me off, its was the tree roots, it was the slippery rocks and so on, I think I that should do it :innocent:

[puddytat]

We had a decent snow fall last night, so I was out & about in it today......8"-10" of snow & rather steep logging tracks. When I'd lose traction I just slowed down a bit & kept on going.....& going.:yes:
Was heaps of fun.314455

[flashg]

Ah yes I do have a few excuses left in my pockets as to why I keep falling off though, its the bike, its the tyres, I am tied, I am old, someone cut me off, its was the tree roots, it was the slippery rocks and so on, I think I that should do it :innocent:


Nice try Paul. But with the amazing levels of traction you have, the bike just won't let you fall. Looking forward to the ride report and photos. Nice one

[Trials Rider]

Nice try Paul. But with the amazing levels of traction you have, the bike just won't let you fall. Looking forward to the ride report and photos. Nice one

Geez no pressure, totally agree about the traction though and looking forward to a good ride, maybe some snow

[pete-blen]

Think I need tubliss in all my bikes....
spent the last few hours chassing a dam
hole in the boys CRF150 rear tube..... pinching it
putting it back in didn't help.:brick:.. those 16" tyres
a tough little bastards to get off/on...
Now theres more patchs than tube :( .....






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[flashg]

Think I need tubliss in all my bikes....

spent the last few hours chassing a dam

hole in the boys CRF150 rear tube..... pinching it

putting it back in didn't help.:brick:.. those 16" tyres

a tough little bastards to get off/on...

Now theres more patchs than tube :( .....













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Good luck on that one Pete, I'm told at this stage they only come in 18" 19" and 21" apparently coming soon 17" which will fit the XT

[pete-blen]

Good luck on that one Pete, I'm told at this stage they only come in 18" 19" and 21" apparently coming soon 17" which will fit the XT

yes I know...
17" will be good....
the CRF going to get IRC 4mm thick tubes
I run in the TTR at the moment...

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yes I know...

17" will be good....

the CRF going to get IRC 4mm thick tubes

I run in the TTR at the moment...


I have never had a pinch flat, always ran 15psi front and rear in WR and Beta and ran 22psi front and back on XT when adventure riding but traction was never great on any of them unless the tyres were new. WR & XT are on HD tubes just to be safe. Beta is standard tube front and Tu-Bliss on rear. Traction on a worn tyre with Tu-Bliss is way better than a new tyre with tube, thats what i have found. Others may have a different opinion.

[flashg]

Oh yeah i ran with the higher pressures because i didn't want pinch flats. But it's a trade off as far as traction goes.

[pete-blen]

I have never had a pinch flat, always ran 15psi front and rear in WR and Beta and ran 22psi front and back on XT when adventure riding but traction was never great on any of them unless the tyres were new. WR & XT are on HD tubes just to be safe. Beta is standard tube front and Tu-Bliss on rear. Traction on a worn tyre with Tu-Bliss is way better than a new tyre with tube, thats what i have found. Others may have a different opinion.

what I have found with the TTR...
It dosn't have a silly amount of HP to
spin the rear wheel up when not required &
with the Rekluse which seems to "soften"
the way the HP gets to the rear wheel
It will climb hills others are stuck on even
been able to stop & get going again with out
any real issues.. i think a Tubliss could make it
all but unstopable.... " I'm another story.."

now after this rant.... I'll get stuck on every hill
next sunday....





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I would agree about the Rekluse clutch Pete. Grandson Ajays ttr 50 has a centrifugal clutch and was amazing on the hills on the last trail ride, no fear of flipping it either (f--- all power)

[Scubbo]

20% off at torpedo7 atm - https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/9NTUXNNTK/title/nuetech-tubliss---tyre-kit

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20% off at torpedo7 atm - https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/9NTUXNNTK/title/nuetech-tubliss---tyre-kit


Cheers Scubbo, just bought one for the WR. Bloody awesome now Beta & WR will have exceptional traction. 30 years younger would help as well.

[puddytat]

Hey ....is anyone using a Hydrid trials tire at all? You know, those ones which are road legal....does anyone in NZ sell them?

[Transalper]

Hey ....is anyone using a Hydrid trials tire at all? You know, those ones which are road legal....does anyone in NZ sell them?

MotoMox for the win again.... Motoz Mountain Hybrid 120/100/18 (http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=320)

[Shoshoni]

MotoMox for the win again.... Motoz Mountain Hybrid 120/100/18 (http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=320)

That looks like the tyre I was asked to try out a couple of months back, if it's the same one it was horrid - floats on top of gravel so the rear end feels like it's fish tailing around
and the grip lets go way to eazy, also it was wearing rather quickly.

[Trials Rider]

That looks like the tyre I was asked to try out a couple of months back, if it's the same one it was horrid - floats on top of gravel so the rear end feels like it's fish tailing around
and the grip lets go way to eazy, also it was wearing rather quickly.

What bike was the tyre tried on?

[Shoshoni]

What bike was the tyre tried on?

It was on the DR650, it wont fit the Busa :lol:

[Trials Rider]

It was on the DR650, it wont fit the Busa :lol:

It would look cool on the Busa though.

Yeah I must admit the hybrid is not really a DR650 tyre unless of course you ride trials on the DR650 then thats fine.

The Hybrid is designed for the lighter Enduro and Adventure trail bikes for technical riding but allowing to ride on the road between fun spots.

[puddytat]

So how many kms do you reckon you'd get out of one......3000 or so.? On a 125kg-ish bike with a mix of approx. 50% tarmac with the rest being a mix of gravel & trail....
Its a bit like asking how long is a piece of string eh.

[Trials Rider]

So how many kms do you reckon you'd get out of one......3000 or so.? On a 125kg-ish bike with a mix of approx. 50% tarmac with the rest being a mix of gravel & trail....
Its a bit like asking how long is a piece of string eh.

Ah I am glad you said that, that bloody string again:eek5: there are so many influences on tyre life, tyre pressures, you style of riding, the ground you ride, two stroke/ 4 stroke, bike capacity and more.

I havent used the hybrid on the Beta 498 but I am using the Tractionator S/T http://www.motomox.co.nz/shop/show_single_product.php?prod=252 which is soft compound on a 500 four stroke, actually I would say the Beta 500 is the most tyre unfriendly bike I have owned, so far the S/T has done about 1700km and its about 1/3 to 1/2 worn so I should get approx 2600km out of it before it becomes useless.

Back to your question, given there is a lot more rubber in contact with the ground logically speaking you should get reasonable km out of it especially being on a lighter bike, are you board yet:yawn::yawn:

Any soft compound tyre is going to disappear quicker but you buy a tyre to suit you needs.

[puddytat]

E knee me knee my knee mo.....

I 'spose Im being a grip freak seeing Ive got a Tublis now....but with the Ac10 I have on the bike now, although its grippy as, Im finding that with such low pressures combined with weak sidewalls it squirms like a pig. Its not anything I cant ride around....
So I thought Id go to something like a T63 next with thicker sidewall construction but thats quite an expensive tyre, especially when compared to the Hybrid & the Tractionator.:yes: And the Hybrid has strong sidewall construction.
Its also quite weighty @7.5kg....which if you go by some of the reviews people don't like.....but there is a lot of folk who love 'em.
So ...thank you internet. Yet again I have made making a decision that much harder, when if I just stuck to brand bias & the pictures of tyres which give me wood ...

[Tazz]

E knee me knee my knee mo.....

I 'spose Im being a grip freak seeing Ive got a Tublis now....but with the Ac10 I have on the bike now, although its grippy as, Im finding that with such low pressures combined with weak sidewalls it squirms like a pig. Its not anything I cant ride around....
So I thought Id go to something like a T63 next with thicker sidewall construction but thats quite an expensive tyre, especially when compared to the Hybrid & the Tractionator.:yes: And the Hybrid has strong sidewall construction.
Its also quite weighty @7.5kg....which if you go by some of the reviews people don't like.....but there is a lot of folk who love 'em.
So ...thank you internet. Yet again I have made making a decision that much harder, when if I just stuck to brand bias & the pictures of tyres which give me wood ...

From the reviews I've seen the opinions on the weight are just that, opinions about how they MIGHT be a power sucker on a lower HP/low torque bike, but I haven't actually seen any comments from people saying they popped them on a lower HP bike and actaully HAD a problem with the weight.

Food for thought =)

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E knee me knee my knee mo.....

I 'spose Im being a grip freak seeing Ive got a Tublis now....but with the Ac10 I have on the bike now, although its grippy as, Im finding that with such low pressures combined with weak sidewalls it squirms like a pig. Its not anything I cant ride around....
So I thought Id go to something like a T63 next with thicker sidewall construction but thats quite an expensive tyre, especially when compared to the Hybrid & the Tractionator.:yes: And the Hybrid has strong sidewall construction.
Its also quite weighty @7.5kg....which if you go by some of the reviews people don't like.....but there is a lot of folk who love 'em.
So ...thank you internet. Yet again I have made making a decision that much harder, when if I just stuck to brand bias & the pictures of tyres which give me wood ...


I wonder how much grip you get when its tread is full of sticky mud or clay and it won't clear itself, i would imagine it would be as good as slicks. "Trials rider" has plenty of experience in road legal knobbly tyres because of his adventure rides, which are extreme at times.
Please buy some and be the guinea pig for us all

[Trials Rider]

I wonder how much grip you get when its tread is full of sticky mud or clay and it won't clear itself, i would imagine it would be as good as slicks. "Trials rider" has plenty of experience in road legal knobbly tyres because of his adventure rides, which are extreme at times.
Please buy some and be the guinea pig for us all

Ha yes it is going to be my next tyre but I have to wear the Tractionator S/T our first and it seems to be wearing well but still bucket loads of traction, I really like it and is certainly taking the punishment better than anything else I have run so far.

I wouldn't think the mud will stick in too long in the hydrid if I give it a hand full of 498, 50 horsepower vs rear tyre, 50 HP 1 rear tyre 0

[flashg]

Ha yes it is going to be my next tyre but I have to wear the Tractionator S/T our first and it seems to be wearing well but still bucket loads of traction, I really like it and is certainly taking the punishment better than anything else I have run so far.



I wouldn't think the mud will stick in too long in the hydrid if I give it a hand full of 498, 50 horsepower vs rear tyre, 50 HP 1 rear tyre 0


Haha 50 ponies won't help much clearing your tread going down a steep hill and going up the other side. 50 HP = Can I bring the camera?

[puddytat]

From the reviews I've seen the opinions on the weight are just that, opinions about how they MIGHT be a power sucker on a lower HP/low torque bike, but I haven't actually seen any comments from people saying they popped them on a lower HP bike and actaully HAD a problem with the weight.

Food for thought =)

Tasty too....
You're right actually, Ive not seen any posts to confirm the hypothisis .
The XR is a torque beast.:blink:

[puddytat]

Round here is bugger all clay really & what mud there is ,is a pain as it means you got to clean the bike.
Think its more of an East Coast phenomenon.
And after all that I think I'll try the Tractor-nater next....when Ive cut out the AC.
And by then trials rider will've chucked on the Hybrid.;)

[Trials Rider]

Haha 50 ponies won't help much clearing your tread going down a steep hill and going up the other side. 50 HP = Can I bring the camera?

Very true but think of good photo at the bottom :facepalm:

[Trials Rider]

Round here is bugger all clay really & what mud there is ,is a pain as it means you got to clean the bike.
Think its more of an East Coast phenomenon.
And after all that I think I'll try the Tractor-nater next....when Ive cut out the AC.
And by then trials rider will've chucked on the Hybrid.;)

Yip I will put one one and let you know, I am keen to see for myself

[flashg]

Very true but think of good photo at the bottom :facepalm:


To be fair I'm shit at taking photos, i just never think about it, just get caught up in the moment. TA is the man for that (he is always ready with that camera) Paul as you know.

[Trials Rider]

To be fair I'm shit at taking photos, i just never think about it, just get caught up in the moment. TA is the man for that (he is always ready with that camera) Paul as you know.

He sure is, I try not to fall off in front of him

[pete-blen]

To be fair I'm shit at taking photos, i just never think about it, just get caught up in the moment. TA is the man for that (he is always ready with that camera) Paul as you know.


And a dam vid camera.....
had a little issue in a river on the DB1K a couple years ago....
looked up theres TA sitting on the bank with his vid camera...

[flashg]

And a dam vid camera.....

had a little issue in a river on the DB1K a couple years ago....

looked up theres TA sitting on the bank with his vid camera...


Haha i was there right behind you Pete and went past you while you were receiving help, i never saw TA behind me at the time but heard about it later. There was even less water in that river this year because of the drought. But it was still hard to cross with big slippery boulders

[MarkH]

Anyone run a TUbliss on the DR650?
I am considering buying a 21" TUbliss for my front wheel to try it out.
For the rear I'd need either a 17" TUbliss or to change to an 18" rim.

I like the idea of not needing a tube, making punctures easier to deal with or ignore.
I also like the idea of trying different tyre pressures without needing to maintain a minimum pressure to avoid pinch flats.
I could ride on the road with 20-25 PSI and then air down for offroad to 15, 12, 8 or 2 or whatever worked best, get back to the road and take my pump and within a couple of minutes be back up to 20-25 PSI. I'm using this pump: https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/TPPUON8MMXXXXX

What's the best option for changing the rear to 18" on a DR650? I see that procycle has an 18" wheel but that is US$750 which is quite a lot especially once you add shipping and convert the currency and add GST at our border. What about a rim of another bike and getting it relaced and trued? I can't remember which rim but I'm sure I've read about a rim with the right holes for the spokes, it might have been the DR350 but I'm not sure on that.

[MarkH]

I'm using this pump: https://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/TPPUON8MMXXXXX


BTW: Max pressure: 160 psi
No problem using this pump to top up the TUbliss bladder as required.

[pomgolian]

What's the best option for changing the rear to 18" on a DR650? I see that procycle has an 18" wheel but that is US$750 which is quite a lot especially once you add shipping and convert the currency and add GST at our border. What about a rim of another bike and getting it relaced and trued? I can't remember which rim but I'm sure I've read about a rim with the right holes for the spokes, it might have been the DR350 but I'm not sure on that.[/QUOTE]

I looked at it a couple of years ago after denting my rear on the Dusty ended up beating it back into shape and i had a bunch of new 18 inch rears, its been like that for over 20k - yes is it a DR350 wheel with cush drive but there arnt many around unless your lucky to find one in good nick, another option was a new rim and spokes laced to your existing hub but that still looked like $500 so i flagged it.

[pete-blen]

What's the best option for changing the rear to 18" on a DR650? I see that procycle has an 18" wheel but that is US$750 which is quite a lot especially once you add shipping and convert the currency and add GST at our border. What about a rim of another bike and getting it relaced and trued? I can't remember which rim but I'm sure I've read about a rim with the right holes for the spokes, it might have been the DR350 but I'm not sure on that.

I looked at it a couple of years ago after denting my rear on the Dusty ended up beating it back into shape and i had a bunch of new 18 inch rears, its been like that for over 20k - yes is it a DR350 wheel with cush drive but there arnt many around unless your lucky to find one in good nick, another option was a new rim and spokes laced to your existing hub but that still looked like $500 so i flagged it.[/QUOTE]




I had a couple old Montesa wheels done... New rims / spokes & respokeing came to $600.
so yer could say $300 per wheel..






..

[MarkH]

I looked at it a couple of years ago after denting my rear on the Dusty ended up beating it back into shape and i had a bunch of new 18 inch rears, its been like that for over 20k - yes is it a DR350 wheel with cush drive but there arnt many around unless your lucky to find one in good nick, another option was a new rim and spokes laced to your existing hub but that still looked like $500 so i flagged it.

I had a couple old Montesa wheels done... New rims / spokes & respokeing came to $600.
so yer could say $300 per wheel..

It looks like I could change to an 18" rim for way less than US$750 (plus shipping plus GST) with options like a second hand DR350 rim or an aftermarket rim correctly set up for my bike, found this from a google search: http://wheelandspoke.co.nz/index.html which makes it seem like I could just pay a few hundred and get an 18" rim set up for my DR.

It looks to me like going with a TUbliss system would be totally doable on my DR650.
I have read through this entire thread: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/tubliss-on-a-dualsport-adventure-bike.560599/ which mostly shows good results on ~650cc dual sport bikes with the TUbliss system and one failure mentioned was an older TUbliss which would have been Gen 1.

So, any reason to not go this way?
I realise that on a heavier DS bike I might not want to drop below 12 PSI like you would on a light off-road bike, but I could easily try 8 PSI without getting a pinch flat and immediately regretting that experiment.

With the TUbliss setup do you look to buying the tubeless version of tyres where available or does this not really matter?

[flashg]

It looks like I could change to an 18" rim for way less than US$750 (plus shipping plus GST) with options like a second hand DR350 rim or an aftermarket rim correctly set up for my bike, found this from a google search: http://wheelandspoke.co.nz/index.html which makes it seem like I could just pay a few hundred and get an 18" rim set up for my DR.



It looks to me like going with a TUbliss system would be totally doable on my DR650.

I have read through this entire thread: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/tubliss-on-a-dualsport-adventure-bike.560599/ which mostly shows good results on ~650cc dual sport bikes with the TUbliss system and one failure mentioned was an older TUbliss which would have been Gen 1.



So, any reason to not go this way?

I realise that on a heavier DS bike I might not want to drop below 12 PSI like you would on a light off-road bike, but I could easily try 8 PSI without getting a pinch flat and immediately regretting that experiment.



With the TUbliss setup do you look to buying the tubeless version of tyres where available or does this not really matter?


I was told they are going to do a 17" version of the tu-bliss, (great for my tenere 660) maybe worth emailing them to find out if that's true. Might save you heaps. Although the many different widths of 17" rims might not make it viable.

[MarkH]

I was told they are going to do a 17" version of the tu-bliss, (great for my tenere 660) maybe worth emailing them to find out if that's true. Might save you heaps. Although the many different widths of 17" rims might not make it viable.

Yep, that was mentioned in the ADVrider thread. It is believed they will have it out around Summer of 2010.
I've decided to not hold my breath waiting for it.

I could be wrong about the time of course, a thread on DRriders suggests it might be out late 2012.

If you check this thread: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/gregs-dr650-build-thread.654226/
Greg says:

The Tubliss setup isn't available for 17" wheels yet, I've heard it should be available by the Summer of 2010, but I wanted to step up to the 18" wheel anyway, so I ordered the Tubliss for the 18" rear. I was concerned about the DR's 1.85" wide front rim, since the instructions say to use them on a 1.60" max width. I contacted Jeff at Neutech and he was kind enough to call and go over the details. Basically, they haven't gone thru the control testing for the wider rim, but plenty of people are running that combo. Sounds good to me... so I went for it. Mounting the Tubliss setup up took some care, I watched the tech video several times, then kept the instructions near by while I mounted them up. It wasn't that bad in the end.

This guy has used a DR350 rear wheel and the standard front wheel with TUbliss system and it went pretty well, I'm looking to do pretty much the same on my DR650
I have been using tubeless tyres for a long time and it was only at the start of this year I got the DR with the tubed tyres, I'm not used to dealing with tubes and I'm not really a big fan of them - I see this as a way of ditching something I don't like.

BTW:
If you didn't quite catch my drift about the 17" version - there has been rumours about a 17" rim version coming out for over 5 years now, don't go assuming that it will happen soon or even at all. Maybe it will happen, maybe not, maybe soon, maybe in 5 years - who knows?

[flashg]

I'm hearing you on that. The DR350 rim sounds good and there is a good selection of tyres for 18" rims.
Thinking about tube type or tubeless type tyres I wouldn't worry. Can't see them going flat whatever you use, I would buy what I wanted for its intended use.
Good luck

[MarkH]

Well, I got me a wheel: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=946314428
I also now have an 18" TUbliss to go on that wheel, I'll grab a 21" TUbliss for the front within the next few weeks and I'll be all good to go without needing to use tubes.

[flashg]

Well, I got me a wheel: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=946314428

I also now have an 18" TUbliss to go on that wheel, I'll grab a 21" TUbliss for the front within the next few weeks and I'll be all good to go without needing to use tubes.


Well done MarkH Are you getting the one with cush drive I see he was offering? You were lucky something came along at the right time

[MarkH]

Well done MarkH Are you getting the one with cush drive I see he was offering? You were lucky something came along at the right time

Yeah, I asked for the cush drive one, straight on to the DR650 with only the brake disk needing to be swapped.
He showed a video with the sprocket having some play, I'm told that just means it needs new cush drive rubbers.
I could have bought a new wheel from Procycle for US$749 + shipping + GST, but this works out a little cheaper.

[MarkH]

Well, I have now put both TUbliss systems in. The front is on the bike but the rear only has a 90/10 off-road orientated tyre on it so right now the 17" is still on the bike.
I guess I'll have to decide on and buy a good 50/50 rear tyre for the 18" rim so I can use that wheel, though if I stick with the 17" for a while I can get the rest of the life out of my existing tyre.
I'll keep the 21" tube on the bike as an emergency spare just in case of catastrophic failure.

My 2HP air compressor with 20 litre tank pumped up the front TUbliss really quickly, but couldn't push the pressure up to more than 80PSI, the mountain bike pump got it up to ~110PSI fairly quickly though.

If they did a 17" version I'd buy one so I could have 2 rear wheels to switch between, no idea if or when that might happen.