Hoses. Never given 'em much thought really

[98tls]

Bloke on the TL site decided to do a group buy on these Samco hoses,upon reading the thread it occurred to me that my old S still has the originals...doubt theres much wrong with them or is there after 17 years?Anyway decided to grab a set of these,couldnt bring myself to go with any of the fancy colours so just went black,even then theres a choice of matt or shiny:facepalm:Dont know about there claims to reduce operating temp by 15% nor do i really care to be honest.<_<http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a92/tlme/samco-tlr_zpskzsgbswl.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/tlme/media/samco-tlr_zpskzsgbswl.jpg.html)

[mossy1200]

There is a choice of matt or shiny.

Not enough information. You picked shiny or matt?

[98tls]

Not enough information. You picked shiny or matt?

:laugh:Matt,colour of my old S is garish enough without bright coloured shiny things all over it.

[Ocean1]

Dont know about there claims to reduce operating temp by 15% nor do i really care to be honest.<_<

Well I'd fucking care, a 15% reduction in operating temp is 15% less than the bike's manufacturer designed it to run at.

In fact I'd care enough to steer well clear of any product claiming such bullshit, if the thermostat is doing it's job then there's no way in hell changing a hose or two is going to affect it whatsoever.

[mossy1200]

Well I'd fucking care, a 15% reduction in operating temp is 15% less than the bike's manufacturer designed it to run at.

In fact I'd care enough to steer well clear of any product claiming such bullshit, if the thermostat is doing it's job then there's no way in hell changing a hose or two is going to affect it whatsoever.

Likely the claim is that operates lower average temperatures up to 15%.
15% seems a large percentage. Unlikely hoses would achieve that on a modern bike.
Maybe on some older bikes with very thick long rubber hoses and not very efficient radiators.
Thermo controlling the radiator only really determines the stage the coolant can start circulating and isn't even necessary but bike will take longer to warm up without it. The fan thermostat only starts the fan at a set point when temperatures are getting on the high side.

I can tell you a bunch of K100 riders group purchased this brand and were very happy with them. I think the black hoses are/were available without branding also for the K100.

[Ocean1]

Likely the claim is that operates lower average temperatures up to 15%.
15% seems a large percentage. Unlikely hoses would achieve that on a modern bike.
Maybe on some older bikes with very thick long rubber hoses and not very efficient radiators.
Thermo controlling the radiator only really determines the stage the coolant can start circulating and isn't even necessary but bike will take longer to warm up without it. The fan thermostat only starts the fan at a set point when temperatures are getting on the high side.

I can tell you a bunch of K100 riders group purchased this brand and were very happy with them. I think the black hoses are/were available without branding also for the K100.

I have a set on the 525. But the fact is the thermostat regulates coolant flow in order to manage engine temperature within a pretty narrow range all the time, not simply to warm the engine up quicker on startup. Changing hoses will have zero effect on engine running temp unless the system radiator is undersized or otherwise poorly designed.

Or, as with the 525 the OE hoses had holes in the sides as well as the ends.

[98tls]

Well I'd fucking care, a 15% reduction in operating temp is 15% less than the bike's manufacturer designed it to run at.

In fact I'd care enough to steer well clear of any product claiming such bullshit, if the thermostat is doing it's job then there's no way in hell changing a hose or two is going to affect it whatsoever.

May well have worded it wrong either way i still dont care,;)i needed some hoses i bought some just like when ive needed a can ive bought one and ignored the manufacturers claims of a gazzilon or even 10hp gain by simply fitting there can.

[98tls]

Ok...not saying i care;) but for interests sake i had a gander on Samcos website and cant find anything re the claim of 15% so will put it down to the bloke on the TL site being mis-informed etc etc theres nothing in it for him so doubt he made it up.

[mossy1200]

Ok...not saying i care;) but for interests sake i had a gander on Samcos website and cant find anything re the claim of 15% so will put it down to the bloke on the TL site being mis-informed etc etc theres nothing in it for him so doubt he made it up.

Theres a professional drag racer in the testimonials claiming a temp reduction of 5 degrees.
Also a very big list of race teams using these hoses in different vehicle types.

[98tls]

Theres a professional drag racer in the testimonials claiming a temp reduction of 5 degrees.
Also a very big list of race teams using these hoses in different vehicle types.

Whilst at it i had a gander on the TL site with the search button,guys were claiming 2 degree reduction blah blah blah :laugh:All gets a bit silly really.End of day they seem a good product so job done.

[nzspokes]

What are they like price wise? Im doing a CBR600 F2 Streetfighter and its hoses are stuffed.

[Ocean1]

May well have worded it wrong either way i still dont care,;)i needed some hoses i bought some just like when ive needed a can ive bought one and ignored the manufacturers claims of a gazzilon or even 10hp gain by simply fitting there can.

Can't argue with that, I go to great lengths to ignore advertising of any sort. Why on earth would anyone take any notice of someone with a direct financial interest in having you believe anything whatsoever they have to say about their product?

[98tls]

What are they like price wise? Im doing a CBR600 F2 Streetfighter and its hoses are stuffed.

Probably expensive compared to oem:confused:then again maybe not,truth is ive never bought a set of hoses in 40 years of motorcycling so nothing to compare it to.These cost me $170us landed on the doorstep.(well they will have when they get here.)That price was through a group buy setup so probably a bit cheaper than normal.https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.samcosport.com%2Frow%2Fbike_h ose_kits.asp&ei=66mPVfmvNcbImAX25bXIDg&usg=AFQjCNG23kew6wg99jk7RzST-Z6sWKS4RQ&bvm=bv.96783405,d.dGY

[Ocean1]

Theres a professional drag racer in the testimonials claiming a temp reduction of 5 degrees.
Also a very big list of race teams using these hoses in different vehicle types.

Link? Water Wetter had a test rig, (basically an engine with the thermostat removed) and claimed their product ran X degrees cooler than some others. So what? with the thermostat in the temperature is whatever the thermostat says. I'd be more likely to buy something that managed corrosion and galvanic issues in the engine better.

[mossy1200]

Link? Water Wetter had a test rig, (basically an engine with the thermostat removed) and claimed their product ran X degrees cooler than some others. So what? with the thermostat in the temperature is whatever the thermostat says. I'd be more likely to buy something that managed corrosion and galvanic issues in the engine better.

Its in the Samco UK home site then in testimonials.
http://www.samcosport.com/uk/
I was searching for claims about temp drops and there isn't any relating to 15% on their site. I think the claim in the testimonials was 225degree down t 220degree (107 Celsius). That's just my memory because im not going to read testimonials again.

[98tls]

Its in the Samco UK home site then in testimonials.
http://www.samcosport.com/uk/
I was searching for claims about temp drops and there isn't any relating to 15% on their site. I think the claim in the testimonials was 225degree down t 220degree (107 Celsius). That's just my memory because im not going to read testimonials again.

:laugh:Nothing like being thorough mate...:msn-wink:

[98tls]

Whilst we are talking hoses,who has had one fail and how old was the bike?

[mossy1200]

:laugh:Nothing like being thorough mate...:msn-wink:

I spent some time on the site previously because K100 guys wanted a list of people prepared to buy kits as they would design and make k100 hose kits if they had an order of 10 kits as its not a kit they have ever made before. think its was going to be 140 usd each plus freight because of no previous k100 hoses being made before. At least they were prepared to make a one off order though. I didn't end up getting a set.

[mossy1200]

Whilst we are talking hoses,who has had one fail and how old was the bike?

I have only ever had an ally pump housing under the clamp rot away. Never a burst hose.

[98tls]

I spent some time on the site previously because K100 guys wanted a list of people prepared to buy kits as they would design and make k100 hose kits if they had an order of 10 kits as its not a kit they have ever made before. think its was going to be 140 usd each plus freight because of no previous k100 hoses being made before. At least they were prepared to make a one off order though. I didn't end up getting a set.

Thats where bike specific forums come in handy eh the amount of one off stuff ive bought through the TL site is amazing,last being a complete M4 system for the old girl,from memory we had to come up with 10 buyers before they would look at it.Carrozzeria rims where around $1500 cheaper than buying here.

[nzspokes]

Whilst we are talking hoses,who has had one fail and how old was the bike?

The bike Im streetfighting is a 96 I think, and has sat in a shed for 10 years. I got it started and the hose went. 30k miles on it.

[98tls]

The bike Im streetfighting is a 96 I think, and has sat in a shed for 10 years. I got it started and the hose went. 30k miles on it.

There you go eh,ive never had one go but in saying that the TL is the longest owned bike ive ever had,17 years old so the hoses have done well enough.

[neels]

From personal experience I will say that replacing hoses before they fail is a good thing.

Waiting until a 20 year old hose gives up is much more expensive than replacing the whole lot on suspicion when one starts to look a bit dodgy.

Nothing lasts forever....