Forget about all american bikes japanese bikes [Archive]

limbimtimwim

22nd September 2005, 19:23

and Italian bikes and go to this websight and have a look at the new Triumphs ... the new scrambler is superb!!!It's pretty, but the 675 triple looks amazing. Same weight as the 650, looks better and probably sounds great.. I guess they really want to lock horns with the Japs.

I say bring it on, and I hope they'll sell bucket loads.

James Deuce

22nd September 2005, 19:25

What a Boad of Lollocks.

Ride what you like, and like what you ride.

Big Dave

22nd September 2005, 19:27

What a Boad of Lollocks.

Ride what you like, and like what you ride.

Can I not like what you ride?

Biff

22nd September 2005, 19:28

Whatever happened to the Trophy 1200 out of interest ?

Peoples tastes change - in that they eventually get some?

James Deuce

22nd September 2005, 19:35

Can I not like what you ride?

You can, but only if I get to say I like the Trophy.

Sniper

22nd September 2005, 19:39

Im not too sure on tiumphs, but I m sure a ride on one will alter my point of veiw

Motu

22nd September 2005, 19:41

Ride what you like, and like what you ride.

But look good doing it.....at least,think that everybody thinks you look good...

Big Dave

22nd September 2005, 19:42

You can, but only if I get to say I like the Trophy.

Ha - I would have countered with something like, yeah, cause i don't like you.'

I like it.

Nat

22nd September 2005, 19:44

The scrambler looks pretty lame IMO.

and wouldn't you burn your legs on the exhaust? :slap:

Big Dave

22nd September 2005, 19:52

Im not too sure on tiumphs, but I m sure a ride on one will alter my point of veiw

The take anywhere motorcycles. Go hard enough to run with the jap bikes and are cool enough to show with the Harleys. Everyone is cool with them, even the other Euros.

I like them hotted up a fair bit from standard so they charge even harder and they can be tweaked to most acceptable outputs.

Not cheap, and many are ridden by the fast rider with a touch of grey that comes with 'disposable' income.

The brand has factory supported riding association that has made me some true friends. Not just a brand of bike - there is some 'lifestyle' associated with owning one.

Triumphs rock baby.

Big Dave

22nd September 2005, 19:57

But look good doing it.....at least,think that everybody thinks you look good...

Good!!! - Good!!!!! - I look fucking WICKED!

Paul in NZ

22nd September 2005, 20:15

Good try at replicating the coolest bike Triumph ever made but...

For godsake they made a bloody hash of the pipes.... The one bit that HAD to be right and they screwed it up. They are dreadful.....

For once the header bends look OK but they are too long and they went with replicating the cooler 66/67 sort with the staggered tailpipes... Which is good but the short tail pipe ruin the balance.... Frankly, the mufflers suck. They are sticking with the parallel sides which don't work. Go for the teardrop shape. BSA was the straight sided muffler bunnies... They are pushed to the back of the bike to tuck in behind the shocks. Argh! Who cares if they are not practical as long as the look COOL!!!

The heat shields.... Oh god.... Gouge out my eyes... They are off a CL450 honda... aaarrgghh... Classic triumphs solved the muffler too far back problem with the 69/70 toast rack...

Oh well.... At least it's an acknowledgement that my own original C bike is cooler than cool.... (see below)

6 out of 10 but PLEASE Mr Bloor - Fire the person that designs your pipes....

James Deuce

22nd September 2005, 20:20

justsomeguy

22nd September 2005, 20:22

The 675 in Graphite is :not: Scorched Yellow is :woohoo: too......

Paul in NZ

22nd September 2005, 20:24

All good points Paul, but remember the poor buggers have to work within the limitations of European Design "Standards" and all the attendant "safety" minutiae. That sort of stuff didn't exist when the lovely machine in the picture you provided was "designed" ( I use the term loosely).

True.... But do you think Mr Turner cared a whit what the euro's thought? Damn their eyes Wickes... EXTEND THOSE TAIL PIPES MAN!

Motu

22nd September 2005, 20:37

And the pipes are on the left - for dirt track use.Anyway,the best Triumph was the Trophy,the real Trophy,the TR5......I put one together once....

Sensei

22nd September 2005, 20:48

Humm I remeber my Triumph T509 Speed Triple well $6000 fixing 4 blow ups
Not little one either Clutch blown apart / 4th gear snapped in half / seized all the big ends . 2 blown Head gaskets / melted clucth plates & snapped clutch springs . Had fun on it when it did go but that wasn't often . Hope they hold together abit better these days when you Kane the shit out of them mine didn't :spudwhat:

Big Dave

22nd September 2005, 20:54

James Deuce

22nd September 2005, 20:59

True.... But do you think Mr Turner cared a whit what the euro's thought? (SNIP)

Not even a little bit. In fact he would have had a good laugh the first time he saw some canvas throwovers aflame, thanks to the high pipes.

Paul in NZ

22nd September 2005, 21:03

And the pipes are on the left - for dirt track use.Anyway,the best Triumph was the Trophy,the real Trophy,the TR5......I put one together once....

Just like the Fonz....

They could have gone with the one each side look from 66 but that was more a desert sled thing and yes, both pipes on the left was US flat track inspired (aka HD XR750) but the staggered 67 look... Ahhh... NICE!

In all seriousness... A Trackmaster version would be very cool... Motors a bit chunky lookin but.....

22nd September 2005, 21:23

Getting hard to remember what thread I posted on?
Big round of applause to Triumph. I hope the 675 cleans up the sports bike sales chart. Triumph deserve the reward for yet again being bold and different when the rest of the pack just tweak the same old recipe.
That red picture Big Dave posted is stunning.
From the pics, specs and pre-production road tests in the latest UK Bike & NZ MC Trader it looks like this might be one VERY special bike.
I was thinking about getting the next ZX10 but this looks far more interesting and hopefully a more rewarding ride.
What a great time to be a bike rider.

Brian d marge

23rd September 2005, 03:03

Good try at replicating the coolest bike Triumph ever made but...

For godsake they made a bloody hash of the pipes.... The one bit that HAD to be right and they screwed it up. They are dreadful.....

..

That scrambler ,,is poss the only NEW bike that I have said ,,yeah I like I could actually want one ......

Of the bike I currently lust after ,,ie actually think about putting down cash ,,,is ..:mega:.ANOTHER ENFIELD ... The Urinal nightwolf or whatever its called and that triumph or the older 2 valve BMW off roader ( forget the modell code right now ,,the white one with the white power shock )

and that new Triumph scrambler ...WITH OUT THOSE PIPES .......
Terrible design truely awful......

Stephen

Paul in NZ

23rd September 2005, 09:28

and that new Triumph scrambler ...WITH OUT THOSE PIPES .......
Terrible design truely awful......

Stephen

Don't worry... Some clever clogs will be tooling up to fix this problem as we speak... Dear old TOGA have been churning out mufflers for yonks and will have a kit...

For those of you that think I'm mad or a triumph basher, I'm NOT. But saftey issues aside there is no excuse for poor design work and sloppy research...

Compare pictures below and I think you could agree it's more Honda CL450 and Triumph Trophy.. (Mines the green one far right) The bike they are trying to revive is the green/white 67 with the staggered pipes. But it didn't work because the pipes don't work with the rest of the bike (In my opinion only)

Triumph stuffed up the design with mine when they went for parallel outlets as they had to add an H piece and use bigger mufflers to keep the noise down (they just reused existing ones off another model) but it is still a vastly more organic line and lots prettier...

Mattyc

23rd September 2005, 10:03

GAH!!!

I thought triumphs where british.. doh *smacks self in head with large wet fish

zadok

23rd September 2005, 10:12

I would seriously consider buying a triple. Now if I could only win lotto........ :scratch:

Smorg

23rd September 2005, 10:35

i'd own a 650 but the others look like a bum under a bridge thought them up........... :sick: disgusting

Paul in NZ

23rd September 2005, 10:44

I would seriously consider buying a triple. Now if I could only win lotto........ :scratch:

better get a Lotto Triple Dip then....

Big Dave

23rd September 2005, 10:59

i'd own a 650 but the others look like a bum under a bridge thought them up........... :sick: disgusting

Ha - the hippie was right - you *are* a fuckwit!

Smorg

23rd September 2005, 11:35

Ha - the hippie was right - you *are* a fuckwit!

:clap: :clap:Whatever you say mate, you like triumph's i dont who gives a shit :whocares:
the amount of money you spend on over priced, under powered bikes is none of my concern :D

Big Dave

23rd September 2005, 11:43

:clap: :clap:Whatever you say mate,

Think what you like too - but gob off like that at my bike and i'll call you on it.

Smorg

23rd September 2005, 12:09

Think what you like too - but gob off like that at my bike and i'll call you on it.

Well im sorry for hurting you and your bikes feelings mate i was just expressing a point of view, i'll be much more carefull next time :calm:

Big Dave

23rd September 2005, 13:21

Well im sorry for hurting you and your bikes feelings mate i was just expressing a point of view, i'll be much more carefull next time :calm:

Good. I was/am calm and my feelings were not hurt. matter ends.

Biff

23rd September 2005, 13:24

GAH!!!

I thought triumphs where british.. doh *smacks self in head with large wet fish

They are. Bloody great machines to. Especially the Sprint ST.

Devil

23rd September 2005, 13:42

I had a ball on the speed four. What a nice bike.

ratusratus

23rd September 2005, 18:33

better not say anything about my speedtriple mr mainwaring

Big Dave

23rd September 2005, 18:34

better not say anything about my speedtriple mr mainwaring

All right Jones - that's enough now.

Bonez

23rd September 2005, 18:39

Can anyone join in or is this an inexclusive, back patting, trumpy sockpuppet thing? :puke:

Big Dave

23rd September 2005, 18:43

Can anyone join in or is this an inexclusive, back patting, trumpy sockpuppet thing? :puke:

With an old japper......perhaps you could serve the drinks? :nya:

Bonez

23rd September 2005, 18:50

With an old japper......perhaps you could serve the drinks? :nya:Will do. 10w40, 15w40 or 20w50? Oh and that twin is as slow as my 20 yo 750/4s :msn-wink: And it looks like a ape designed it. :kick:

Big Dave

23rd September 2005, 18:52

Will do. 10w40, 15w40 or 20w50?

We'll serve a tray of each.

laurie k

7th January 2006, 22:45

yep, fair call... have put either a triumph america or a speedmaster in the 12 month plan, the only thing putting me off these bikes is the really fugly exhaust system:argh: .. they make them sound somewhere between a singer sewing machine and a suzuki gn250. Ya can get some decent looking shorter slashcut pipes from the factory, but it comes with the "not for road use" cover our arse, disclaimer and with NZs' anal WOF laws, who knows..

skidMark

7th January 2006, 22:53

and Italian bikes and go to this websight and have a look at the new Triumphs
they are simply the best :gob:
www. triumphnz.co.nz
the new scrambler is superb!!!

the chinese are invading ahhhh...

oh no that was just the tour bus i saw today ...never seen so many err...cameras in all my life...<_<

Mr. Peanut

7th January 2006, 23:22

Skyryder

8th January 2006, 08:50

and Italian bikes and go to this websight and have a look at the new Triumphs
they are simply the best :gob:
www. triumphnz.co.nz
the new scrambler is superb!!!

Hell why didn't I think of that line. You've just slagged about every rider here with a post like that. Gota give a greenie for that if nothing elses. :tugger:

Skyryder

pritch

8th January 2006, 09:23

The scrambler looks pretty lame IMO.
:slap:

They might sell a few to people who are old enough to remember Bud Ekins and Steve McQueen. If you have to ask who they are/were I guess the bike isn't aimed at you... There is a definite nostalgia thing going on with that model.

In the 70s the "street scramblers" were mostly sold in the US market and I wouldn't be surprised if that's where most of them wind up now.

Bonez

7th February 2006, 21:17

and Italian bikes and go to this websight and have a look at the new Triumphs
they are simply the best :gob:
www. triumphnz.co.nz
the new scrambler is superb!!!

At a 215kg dry it's a bit porky.

Big Dave

7th February 2006, 21:55

At a 215kg dry it's a bit porky.

It 'so' doesn't matter.
http://www.amps.co.nz/scrambler/pages/1.htm

Motu

7th February 2006, 22:22

oldrider

7th February 2006, 22:32

Oh! speed triple for me - New 1050cc version... in black, perfect bike, not as top endy as a four sounds almost like a six, not a chuggy as a twin, no pussy fairings to destroy, good handling, good ground clearance. cant say I like the speed fours design, just looks odd. bet the triple does monster wheelies too :-)

Sex on wheels :tugger:
My new neighbour arrived on a new one of these the other day and I think it's a really nice little bike.
I say little (1050?) not because of cc rating but because it is a nice wee compact no nonsense bike and it sounds very businesslike as it goes by our house.
I really like it as a bike but I wouldn't buy one for myself (it's not my style) but I sure as hell think it is nice.
I wouldn't mind scorching it through the Lindis Pass for a burn. :shit: Cheers John.

Big Dave

7th February 2006, 23:07

What the Triumph twins had over all the other British twins was not only was it lighter,but it felt lighter too - the handling may of been crap,but it was just so flickable,the motor wasn't as powerful as the others either,but it was a happy revver which fitted in with the light flickable handling.Can't see myself tossing that thing around like it was a 69 Trophy....

What? Were you listening to what Vege said - word for word almost.
It isn't a 69 trophy. They didn't have to meet Euro 6 emission and noise standards for starters - come to think of it the didn't have starters. This one does - and a fuck off big battery and 'the tail light from a '57 Plymouth' and a large alternator.
You want to flick/race balls out scrambles get a 2006 big Jap or Austrian enduro thumper.

This is a capable motorcycle that offered me a most enjoyable ride and marvellous trip down memory lane - and that's not a road that should be taken flat out - smell the roses and all - and it's also good to look shit-hot riding it.

Motu

7th February 2006, 23:22

and it's also good to look shit-hot riding it.

That's all I need in a bike - sold!

Big Dave

7th February 2006, 23:29

That's all I need in a bike - sold!

Absolutely!
Do you know ian beckhaus? he says to me on Sunday
'Just how much time do you spend in front of the mirror cohen?'
'no wonder i can't get any work out of you - you're too busy worrying about how you look on a bike these days'.
All I could do was assure him it was time well spent cause i always look fuckin baaaaad.:motu:
(unless i'm pullin a funny face at Crashe)

SPman

7th February 2006, 23:34

After riding a 72 Bonneville around for 2 weeks in Oz (never ridden an old Triumph before), I liked the old, relaxed riding style, with no great hurry to go anywhere, on a light, roaring old twin....but best of all were the looks from other people. Good to have the ego stroked occasionally.....

Bonez

8th February 2006, 04:51

They are. Bloody great machines to. Especially the Sprint ST.Have to agree. Can't much go wrong with any make these days.

inlinefour

8th February 2006, 05:15

What a Boad of Lollocks.

Ride what you like, and like what you ride.

Would be a sad pathetic world if we all did the same thing...:corn:

Edbear

8th February 2006, 06:47

Yep, it's a great time to be a biker! Trouble is, I get so confused when having to make a choice, (just ask my wife!), I just seem to keep riding my old GSX! It goes like stink, is exc on gravel, (except on corrugations!), and handles well enough for my skill level, plus it is just utterly reliable! W hat more could one want? I'd love a new Triumph, maybe the Bonnie with some better looking pipes, but the new Scrambler does "It" for me, too! Always liked the T-Bird, and my mate's got a '05 Daytona that looks and sounds real sexy! I do think, though, that the Kawasaki W650 is truer to the concept and I've seen aftermarket side pipes on one and it really looked great! Didn't Vege put off-road tyres on one and go bush with it? :grouphug:

Lou Girardin

8th February 2006, 07:06

The 675 Speed Triple is going to tempt me, unless I can't do without the 1050's torque.

Devil

8th February 2006, 08:36

The 675 Speed Triple is going to tempt me, unless I can't do without the 1050's torque.
I'd be interested to check it out too. Wonder what the pricing would be like.
Expect $15-16k?

Quasievil

8th February 2006, 08:40

and Italian bikes and go to this websight and have a look at the new Triumphs
they are simply the best :gob:
www. triumphnz.co.nz
the new scrambler is superb!!!

I Had a look at the new scrambler yesterday, very retro, looks kind of cool but the questions I had in my mind was 1/ why? and 2/ What for?
neat and all that but Im not sure why you would buy one, where would you use it how would you use it, its one of those bikes that is cool in looks but good for fuck all of anything.

Motu

8th February 2006, 09:30

You live in a small world - take some side roads and find out where the Scrambler would do just fine....

Bonez

8th February 2006, 16:04

You live in a small world - take some side roads .Amen to that.

James Deuce

8th February 2006, 16:30

I know that road Bonez. I must say after the third sign over the course of 50 minutes that said "Alfredton 27km" I was getting a bit dazed.

It was fun though.:mega:

Bonez

8th February 2006, 16:37

I know that road Bonez. I must say after the third sign over the course of 50 minutes that said "Alfredton 27km" I was getting a bit dazed.

It was fun though.:mega:Managed to get a snap of one of the locals. Two old nags as it were.

8th February 2006, 17:49

Any hint or whisper of the price for the 675? Arrival and how many for little NZ?
WMCC said if you don't put down any dollars you wont get one.

Big Dave

8th February 2006, 19:38

Any hint or whisper of the price for the 675? Arrival and how many for little NZ?
WMCC said if you don't put down any dollars you wont get one.

No sorry - I don't know.
I do know they are going to be hard to get for at least 12 months maybe 18. Worldwide interest and pre-orders have been 'phenomenal'.
The earlier you sling some money down the further up the list you'll be.
Bit hard without knowing how much.

A bit more expensive than a Honda and cheaper than a Harley is a safe bet.

All i know. I'll ask further.

Timber020

8th February 2006, 19:39

The scramber is 205kgs and 54hp, are they trying to compete with Harley for power to weight?

Big Dave

8th February 2006, 20:02

The scramber is 205kgs and 54hp, are they trying to compete with Harley for power to weight?

Maybe - there is a significant number of people who are quite happy with that ratio.

I suspect people who might have bought a sportster willl be attracted to the Scrambler.

Did you see my thoughts on it?
http://www.amps.co.nz/scrambler/pages/1.htm