W(h)anganui pronunciation

[Stylo]

Heard it pronounced numerous different ways on the radio in the last few days. FUNGanui, FONGanui, a local even had the temerity to pronounce it as I've always known it ..Wanganui with the Wang rhyming with song.

Must be frustrating for the locals as much as someone like me who doesn't live there. Any locals from W(h)anganui ?

And what happened to Ken Mair after all that time?

[sidecar bob]

Heard it pronounced numerous different ways on the radio in the last few days. FUNGanui, FONGanui, a local even had the temerity to pronounce it as I've always known it ..Wanganui with the Wang rhyming with song.

Must be frustrating for the locals as much as someone like me who doesn't live there. Any locals from W(h)anganui ?

And what happened to Ken Mair after all that time?

Considering that the Maori didn't have a written language until Europeans showed up, it was pretty rich of them to enforce that it be spelt with an H.
Talk about beating a man with the Mere he gave you.

[nodrog]

Heard it pronounced numerous different ways on the radio in the last few days. FUNGanui, FONGanui, a local even had the temerity to pronounce it as I've always known it ..Wanganui with the Wang rhyming with song.

Must be frustrating for the locals as much as someone like me who doesn't live there. Any locals from W(h)anganui ?

And what happened to Ken Mair after all that time?

do you go fishing off the Forf?

[Berries]

He said wanga.

:lol:

[Robbo]

Heard it pronounced numerous different ways on the radio in the last few days. FUNGanui, FONGanui, a local even had the temerity to pronounce it as I've always known it ..Wanganui with the Wang rhyming with song.

Must be frustrating for the locals as much as someone like me who doesn't live there. Any locals from W(h)anganui ?

And what happened to Ken Mair after all that time?

What the Whuck you talkin about Wodger? Don't know a Fonganui but I've been to
the cemetery circuit at Wanganui. :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

Heard it pronounced numerous different ways on the radio in the last few days. FUNGanui, FONGanui, a local even had the temerity to pronounce it as I've always known it ..Wanganui with the Wang rhyming with song.

Must be frustrating for the locals as much as someone like me who doesn't live there. Any locals from W(h)anganui ?

And what happened to Ken Mair after all that time?

It's just the stupid media clowns trying desperately to out whanga one another and give old Ken Mair's ego a little blow job! :scratch:

[Grumph]

I seem to remember that we were told the pronunciation woudn't change - and the h was optional when (or wen) it was written...

But the media seem to have bought it regardless and pronounce the bloody H.

If you think that's bad ask a local about living in Oh- arm - aru - and if it's any different from OM - aru.

[Maha]

Wh is said using the blowing technique, like when you say White, you blow White, most say Wyte but when you blow the Wh it is said correctly.





waiting

[Laava]

I like a good blowh

[fridayflash]

the locals (the maaari ones) almost say it like 'hanganui' listen to the song 'poi e' when they say 'whakarunga, whakararo' it sounds like 'hookarunga hookararo' when i was a kid i was told you could choose to make the 'f' sound wanganui, whangarei etc or leave it just as a 'w' sound. i beleive that advice to be correct still, i dont give a fuck how i say it or anyone else for that matter, but those media types full of white guilt will always overdo things to be 'hip' with the minorities of this world

[gammaguy]

I dont think any of you know what the WHUQ you are talking about

[ruaphu]

Yep Maha nailed it. It's a local dialect to that part of the country up to south Taranaki and across to the Ruapehu area.

Problem is no fecker wants to understand or acknowledge the localised dialect and instead butcher it with the usual wh like ph as in phone.

It ain't hard to get it right, oh except for those try hard tards on TV one.


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[jellywrestler]

I seem to remember that we were told the pronunciation woudn't change - and the h was optional when (or wen) it was written...

But the media seem to have bought it regardless and pronounce the bloody H.

If you think that's bad ask a local about living in Oh- arm - aru - and if it's any different from OM - aru.
i'm from wanganui and by putting the h in it it won't be long before everyone is f ing it and it will end up that way. what the mud people have done by getting their way with the spelling will effectively be burying the local dialect that was part of their history hence it being spelt how sit sounded.

[Ocean1]

i'm from wanganui and by putting the h in it it won't be long before everyone is f ing it and it will end up that way. what the mud people have done by getting their way with the spelling will effectively be burying the local dialect that was part of their history hence it being spelt how sit sounded.

I've watched it happen. I grew up saying Maori place names as local Maori did, which was how they were spelt, within the limits of English phonetics.

Maori expert academics have changed the spelling over the years, and that's resulted in newscasters and weather bunnies changing the way they pronounce them. It has had no effect at all on how local Maori pronounce them.

In fact the real experts on how Maori words should be pronounced and spelled were the local Maori and early English settlers alive at the time the two cultures began to communicate. Their opinion? As they originally spelled them.

[Laava]

Was interesting reading Captain Cooks diaries to see how he phonetically spelled maori words. My thinking at the time was that not much has changed re the pronunciation.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I've always pronounced it "Gemmethefuckouttahere". Not sure if that is correct or not.

[eelracing]

The majority don't give a monkeys.

[jasonu]

A few years ago there was much discussion, debate, a referendum and a vote. The 'h' was voted down by the locals but a group whose name I don't recall (NZ Geographical something or other) got the 'h' in anyway. Initially the press alternated between using and not using the 'h' but I notice the inclusion of the 'h' is becoming more prevalent as time goes by.
Ken Mair still lives in the area and from what I have been told he is not such a bad bloke.

[swarfie]

There's NO wucking H there as far as I'm concerned :weird:
I've still got an AA road map book printed in the 70's and there's not even a wucking H in WANGANUI River in that either. Nope...no F anywhere:oi-grr:

[Grumph]

Was interesting reading Captain Cooks diaries to see how he phonetically spelled maori words. My thinking at the time was that not much has changed re the pronunciation.

Gets my vote for the most obscure/esoteric source document of the week....congratulations.

[nodrog]

Fot a bunch of Fankers.

[roogazza]

What the Whuck you talkin about Wodger? Don't know a Fonganui but I've been to
the cemetery circuit at Wanganui. :rolleyes:

That's the one Robbo,for this old redneck anyway.
I don't know what the Wheather people are on about ,in fact I'd like the chance to do the weather myself ,at least just once in my life.
Tee maru, Oh arm maru, wtf !

If you listen to Danny Whatson (by mistake on talkback), NZs whitest Maori, Maori sounds like Marley !!!

Cemetary Circuit WANGANUI !!!!!!!
Where they hold the motorcycle races on Boxing Day.

[jellywrestler]

Cemetary Circuit WANGANUI !!!!!!!
Where they hold the motorcycle races on Boxing Day.

you mean cemetery....

[roogazza]

you mean cemetery....

Ooops yes ! or as we say it Cemetree. lol.

Nothing stays the same huh, Spyda ???

Had some good times there. Oh well !

[Maha]

People use three difference version when they say Maori.
There's Mouldy
There's Mardy
There's Moory oh and Murray if you you want to add another.

[swarfie]

People use three difference version when they say Maori.
There's Mouldy
There's Mardy
There's Moory oh and Murray if you you want to add another.

You forgot Mowree...which is how it's been pronounced up until about 10 years ago :clap:

[Maha]

You forgot Mowree...which is how it's been pronounced up until about 10 years ago :clap:

...and that makes five.

[HenryDorsetCase]

.
I don't know what the Wheather people are on about ,in fact I'd like the chance to do the weather myself ,at least just once in my life.
Tee maru, Oh arm maru, wtf !



Ohhhh waaaaaaamaaaaaroooooooo

TV3 chick the maori girl Kanoa is hot. Totally would bang.

[jasonu]

People use three difference version when they say Maori.
There's Mouldy
There's Mardy
There's Moory oh and Murray if you you want to add another.


You forgot Mowree...which is how it's been pronounced up until about 10 years ago :clap:

and May-Orr-EE

[TheDemonLord]

Ohhhh waaaaaaamaaaaaroooooooo

TV3 chick the maori girl Kanoa is hot. Totally would bang.

Nope, never been a fan of Hangi myself.

[Tazz]

I've always pronounced it "Gemmethefuckouttahere". Not sure if that is correct or not.

"Ghemmethefuckouttahere"

You just ruined Christmas.

[jasonu]

"Ghemmethefuckouttahere"

You just ruined Christmas.

Ganganui is often an appropriate pronunciation...

[eelracing]

Ganganui is often an appropriate pronunciation...

That would be Las Wangas to you Chuck.

[jasonu]

That would be Las Wangas to you Chuck.

I thought it was WangaVegas no fucking 'h'

[SPman]

If it was pronounced with a soft W the early settlers would have spelt it with a Wh. Most of the early maori words were spelt as they were heard. If there was a soft sibilant w, they spelt it that way - Whangarei - if it was a hard F sound, they'd probably have spelt it Fongarei. I've seen Kororareka spelt Kororadeka in early writings, to reflect how it was pronounced - then they changed the name to Russell - probably to make it easier for Europeans to pronounce.....

[Laava]

Keri keri has been spelt as kidee kidee in the past as well. Maybe they changed it to stop attracting pedos?

[RDJ]

Unless the local MHaori can regularly identify a new grievance to pHrofit from they will quickly become irrHelevant. So they - including KHen MHair - keep pushing some new agHenda every few months, thinking that we are going to feel guilty because of what happened (or may never have happened) over a cHentury ago. So far, they seem to be on a winning strategy. But sooner or later - probably sooner the way the economy is tanking - the (small) majority of net taxpayers (= the people who contribute more then they get back from the State) will say ENOUGH. As Margaret Thatcher said, the problem with socialism, including of course MHaori-based racist redistributionist socialism, is that "sooner or later you run out of Other People's Money". We are fast approaching peak OPM expenditure even in NZ. Just because the Greeks got there first, doesn't mean we are not that far behind.

[sidecar bob]

Apart from this clip showing a couple of munters crashing their sidecar about 28 years ago, at 1.54 the word Whanganui with a 'H" flashes up on the screen. Interesting that it was being spelt that way then. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6Q9e0HcRs

[RDJ]

Yes we have been told that every now and then in the 150 years "someone" put an H in there. But the spelling for the last 150 years has been almost exclusively without an H. Despite that, apparently we are going to spend a few tens of thousands of ratepayer dollars changing to a permanent H-name just because some bunch of intellectually challenged racist halfwits have decided that they want to impose their idiotic grammarian agenda on the rest of the population - because they can. I don't understand why they just don't write it with an H in their own correspondence using the Microsoft Word "insert" key - which comes as standard on every Microsoft software package - and don't expect the rest of us to pay to humor their their divisive racist idiocy.

But they probably just want a racial victory to feel better about themselves, because they know they are otherwise basically permanently in the population of life's inherent losers due to having no ability to rise above their backgrounds or their disadvantages, being unable - due to egocentricity, an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, and a lack of get-up-and-go to defer immediate gratification and overcome their poor impulse control long enough to study and educate themselves well enough - to get a worthwhile job, stick at it long enough to keep it and get promoted, and thereby work their way up up the social food chain.

[nodrog]

Wait until they want the r put into ask.

[FJRider]

But they probably just want ...

Not ALL Treaty claims have been settled yet ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes we have been told that every now and then in the 150 years "someone" put an H in there. But the spelling for the last 150 years has been almost exclusively without an H. Despite that, apparently we are going to spend a few tens of thousands of ratepayer dollars changing to a permanent H-name just because some bunch of intellectually challenged racist halfwits have decided that they want to impose their idiotic grammarian agenda on the rest of the population - because they can. I don't understand why they just don't write it with an H in their own correspondence using the Microsoft Word "insert" key - which comes as standard on every Microsoft software package - and don't expect the rest of us to pay to humor their their divisive racist idiocy.

But they probably just want a racial victory to feel better about themselves, because they know they are otherwise basically permanently in the population of life's inherent losers due to having no ability to rise above their backgrounds or their disadvantages, being unable - due to egocentricity, an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, and a lack of get-up-and-go to defer immediate gratification and overcome their poor impulse control long enough to study and educate themselves well enough - to get a worthwhile job, stick at it long enough to keep it and get promoted, and thereby work their way up up the social food chain.

That is some appalling racist shit. Get back to the 1950's so you can beat your wife and kids after you've finished at the six oclock swill.

Guess what?"They" are people just like you and me. There is no "us" and "Them", not really. What you are talking about is an economic position that is occupied by all sorts of different people. Its a class war, or should be, not a race war, like you're starting.

[RDJ]

Based on the last few decades of experience, Treaty claims never will be settled. The imperative here is, Troughers gonna Trough. Every generation will say that the previous generation did not speak for them and will repudiate any settlement previously agreed upon. And Want More.

[RDJ]

That is some appalling racist shit. Get back to the 1950's so you can beat your wife and kids after you've finished at the six oclock swill.

Guess what?"They" are people just like you and me. There is no "us" and "Them", not really. What you are talking about is an economic position that is occupied by all sorts of different people. Its a class war, or should be, not a race war, like you're starting.

Excellent projection HDC. Textbook case.

[RDJ]

That is some appalling racist shit. Get back to the 1950's so you can beat your wife and kids after you've finished at the six oclock swill.

Guess what?"They" are people just like you and me. There is no "us" and "Them", not really. What you are talking about is an economic position that is occupied by all sorts of different people. Its a class war, or should be, not a race war, like you're starting.

If the minority instigators of this name changing effort were people just like you and me they wouldn't be spending energy and effort on changing a name in a language which they had never developed or written down. They would be getting ahead, working hard, raising their families, and being productive.

[Bikemad]

There is no "us" and "Them", not really.

So how does the "Maori Electoral Role" and "Maori All Blacks" fit in with your statement about no us and them?
sounds Race based to me.....

[Tazz]

If it was pronounced with a soft W the early settlers would have spelt it with a Wh. Most of the early maori words were spelt as they were heard. If there was a soft sibilant w, they spelt it that way - Whangarei - if it was a hard F sound, they'd probably have spelt it Fongarei. I've seen Kororareka spelt Kororadeka in early writings, to reflect how it was pronounced - then they changed the name to Russell - probably to make it easier for Europeans to pronounce.....
Paua was pawa too wasn't it? Bunch of place names with it before someone decided to change tack, such is the history of a lot of words in the English language.
Just the way languages roll in general I would have though.

A lot.of early settlers probably had less of a written language than the natives though [emoji23]

[jasonu]

There is no "us" and "Them"

That's a good one!!!:lol::lol::lol:

[Maha]

So how does the "Maori Electoral Role" and "Maori All Blacks" fit in with your statement about no us and them?
sounds Race based to me.....

No honky's in the Maori All Black team, though that freckle faced ginga Paul Tito was suspect.

[RDJ]

Actually, as one would expect from simple population based ethnic numbers, the majority of people agitating for the H in Wanganui are not Maori*. This is another reason why it's annoying when someone automatically assumes that any objection to a particular point of view favoured by some (never all) of a particular ethnic minority, is automatically race-based. Hence, we diagnose projection in these people, they can't see past their own point of view to understand there can be a non-race-based objection to a particular activity or subsidy, because in their world, all objections are trumped by the Race Card. So please bear in mind that disagreement may be based on the lack of merit of the expenditure - not on the pigment of the enforced contributor. Verily, it is so.

* The person leading the charge to change the name is in fact the Mayor, despite two referenda saying the majority don't want to change. And particularly after an 85-year-flood with millions need to be spent cleaning up and getting people back in their houses and on the roads again, one would think that the Mayor and Council would see that as the priority. But no.

Again, the most likely explanation is people spending OPM to feel good about themselves. It's very common in NZ society. Somebody with authority over a budget (because they never spend their own money) thinks that someone else needs something done for them; and that something-that-must-be-done must be paid for by a third party with the third party's money.

A professor from Yale put it far more eloquently:

As soon as A observes something which seems to him wrong, from which X is suffering, A talks it over with B, and A and B then propose to get a law passed to remedy the evil and help X. Their law always proposes to determine what C shall do for X, or, in better case, what A, B, and C shall do for X... What I want to do is to look up C. I want to show you what manner of man he is. I call him the Forgotten Man. Perhaps the appellation is not strictly correct. He is the man who never is thought of at the beginning of such proposals.... I call him the forgotten man... Everyone else forgets him yet he always pays..."

I leave identification of parties A, B and X in this context as an exercise for the class.

[Maha]

Yes, it should be an X instead of a Wh, when the Asian population grows in Whanganui, and Xing Wang Tung is elected Mayor, it may will become Xanganui.

[jasonu]

Yes, it should be an X instead of a Wh, when the Asian population grows in Whanganui, and Xing Wang Tung is elected Mayor, it may will become Xanganui.

Maybe these airline employees might move there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOkTKfxu44

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe these airline employees might move there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOkTKfxu44

That will go down in history as one of the Greatest Trolls ever done.

[Maha]

Maybe these airline employees might move there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOkTKfxu44

Sum Ting Wong :killingme

[PrincessBandit]

Ooops yes ! or as we say it Cemetree. lol.


Just like "I'm going to the lie-bree to get out some books" (showing my age).
When my grandparents were alive we'd be going to "won-guh-nooee" to visit them. Now we visit them in the cemetree at 'Aramo'.

[Mom]

Just like "I'm going to the lie-bree to get out some books" (showing my age).

I still go to the Lie-bree :dodge:

Watching daytime TV has reached an all time low point for me. Bloody Bambillo ads! "My ciropracter"

ARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH!

[RDJ]

And in answer to one of the original posters questions - Ken Mair now appears to be running, what could be considered as a protection racket.

A clear message of relationships damaged greeted a vote by Wanganui District Council that quashed a bid to change the spelling of the Wanganui district.

While the "H" can be used in the spelling of the Wanganui urban area, a motion to have that extended district-wide was lost 7-6.

As soon as the vote was made, local Maori made it clear to councillors that formal relationships between iwi and council would be reviewed.

And it was a decision that had some councillors and mayor Annette Main visibly upset.

Iwi representative Ken Mair told the meeting the decision would have "major implications" on dealings with the council.

Iwi have cancelled a scheduled meeting between council and the Tupoho working party set for today but, more worryingly, Mr Mair said iwi would reconsider all its working relationships with council.

Prime among these are the recently signed deal to operate the port as a joint venture and a similar partnership at the resource recovery centre.

"If you cannot respect our name, then you need to understand our response to this decision," he said.

He said local Maori at the meeting were disturbed by some of the positions taken by councillors and said they did not understand how important it was to Maori to have the district's name spelt with the "H".

The motion councillors voted on was to ask the Geographic Board to consider a request to alter the spelling of the name Wanganui to Whanganui.

As the Mafia would say, "nice city you have there. Shame if something were to happen to it because you won't do what we demand you do."

[Tazz]

http://cloud.freehandmusic.netdna-cdn.com/preview/530x4/warner/wbvf182170.png

[RDJ]

You have certainly beclowned yourself ....more than adequately.

[Tazz]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/13A7YlLvYVDnmU/200_s.gif

[RDJ]

Precisely. No one cares what music you are playing... when you are in the Feeling Entitled Without Adequate Reason section of the orchestra.

[jellywrestler]

Actually, as one would expect from simple population based ethnic numbers, the majority of people agitating for the H in Wanganui are not Maori*.

odd this but remember the maori don't write stuff down and don't actually have a written language.......

[RDJ]

... not that that ever stops them and their sympathizers claiming they have the right to dictate how the language should be written. One of these days, their excessive sense of entitlement will smack them in the face when they find out that the gravy train, sooner or later, always pulls into a station where they do not have taxpayer/ratepayer-supplied fuel for onward journeys. It will likely take a few more years, but sooner or later, they will have to deal with economic reality. See: Greece, as a horrible warning.

[jellywrestler]

... not that that ever stops them and their sympathizers claiming they have the right to dictate how the language should be written. One of these days, their excessive sense of entitlement will smack them in the face when they find out that the gravy train, sooner or later, always pulls into a station where they do not have taxpayer/ratepayer-supplied fuel for onward journeys. It will likely take a few more years, but sooner or later, they will have to deal with economic reality. See: Greece, as a horrible warning.

at least their facial tattoos are useful at Winz, as barcodes....

[RDJ]

I am not convinced these people ever have any utility in our community, other than - possibly - as a Horrible Warning. But I doubt even that. They just want to dip into our pockets to make themselves feel better about their ExistenZ. That never ends well.

[caspernz]

Maybe these airline employees might move there...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaOkTKfxu44

Ah yes, they live in Wanganui East already...and what's the bet the presenter reading that list had her brain in neutral?

[Katman]

I am not convinced these people ever have any utility in our community, other than - possibly - as a Horrible Warning. But I doubt even that. They just want to dip into our pockets to make themselves feel better about their ExistenZ. That never ends well.

I bet you dreamed of being a doctor ever since you found out about prostate examinations.

[RDJ]

You really can't view reality other than through a perverse prism of nihilistic fantasies based on your collection of personal inadequacies, can you Katman?

[Katman]

You really can't view reality other than through a perverse prism of nihilistic fantasies based on your collection of personal inadequacies, can you Katman?

Dude, I'm not the one crying about the use of the letter H.

[RDJ]

Dude, I'm not the one crying about the use of the letter H.

Projecting again... Best reduce that tendency before your online persona renders any other commercial endeavors you engage in, futile...

Oops: already too late.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Projecting again... Best reduce that tendency before your online persona renders any other commercial endeavors you engage in, futile...

Oops: already too late.

Lets just get something straight, while we're talking about use of language and whatnot.

If people read what you right, and call you on what you are saying - I won't repeat it but basically it comes off as the basest, most appalling racism I have struck in a long while to a fairly objective reader, then that reader calls you on it, and maybe makes a few cheap cracks at you: I acknowledge I did that. But I don't think its "projecting" whatever that might mean. I think its calling you on your fucking bullshit. Honestly, I was going to type a long and involved post with statistics and stuff but, well, fuck it. And fuck you.

[RDJ]

HDC: how could anyone not be convinced by your abusive discourse? Hard to understand. / Sarc off.

Projection is when you only see other people through your own view of life. If you can only see one reason for any objection by a group of people to 'authority' taking our money and using it for something we think is a waste you you deem worthwhile and mandatory, and that reason in your mind is racial prejudice - then you will always accuse people disagree with you of being racist.

If you had done even a modicum of research, you would see that the minority of people wanting to change the H - and a minority of people wanting to make up for their own failures by extracting revenue from the more productive - are of a European ethnicity. Because, the majority of people wanting to control other people's lives are logically, generally the same racial make-up as the majority of society. Perhaps that helps you understand better/

The top 5% of households in terms of income in this country, pay 47% of net tax in New Zealand. Households up to $60,000 income receive more in welfare on average than they pay in tax. Therefore those earning over $60,000 in income, subsidise other people's vices, stupidities as well as of course everybody' appropriate needs (e.g. disaster relief, justice, sickness benefits, roads, police etc etc) as well as their virtues and desires. Yet clearly you don't think those who disagree with the way you feel taxes should be spent, should be allowed to have any opinion when tax money and rates money is frittered away on stupid policies.

In fact 'we' have no more say than anybody else, and that's as it should be in the sense that democracy means one vote per one person. But you seem to want us to simply be forbidden to object to taxes being misspent on stupid ethnocentric policies; that's not democracy: that aligns far more to a definition of racism than your attempts to define racism.

Good luck with your passion for redistributive economics based on your view of social justice: as Margaret Thatcher said, and as Greece has just proven, sooner or later, socialists run out of other people's money.

[ellipsis]

...you are one more fucking twat to keep us entertained...please carry on... projection, for fuck sake, grow up you fucking medically inclined, bike hoist owning twat...fucking projection...what shit, some cunts talk...twat...

[jasonu]

... not that that ever stops them and their sympathizers claiming they have the right to dictate how the language should be written. One of these days, their excessive sense of entitlement will smack them in the face when they find out that the gravy train, sooner or later, always pulls into a station where they do not have taxpayer/ratepayer-supplied fuel for onward journeys. It will likely take a few more years, but sooner or later, they will have to deal with economic reality. See: Greece, as a horrible warning.

I remember when the original Treaty of Whaitangi settlements were supposed to have been full and final payment...

[jasonu]

Ah yes, they live in Wanganui East already...and what's the bet the presenter reading that list had her brain in neutral?

I just sold a house in Wanganui up in St. Johns Heights. The real estate company, amongst other things, advertised it in overseas publications and web sites because apparently there is a significant Asian interest.

[sidecar bob]

Lets just get something straight, while we're talking about use of language and whatnot.

If people read what you right, and call you on what you are saying - I won't repeat it but basically it comes off as the basest, most appalling racism I have struck in a long while

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.

[jasonu]

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.

Wot he said!!!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.
or "democracy" as its sometimes known.



It comes across to me like a butthurt fuckwit looking for someone else to blame for their shitty life and bad choices.

[jellywrestler]

or "democracy" as its sometimes known.



It comes across to me like a butthurt fuckwit looking for someone else to blame for their shitty life and bad choices.

nbot really, they did a referendum in the town and i think 79% of the locals wanted no change, that isn't democracy

[nodrog]

.....79% of the locals wanted no change

Fuckin bullshit. Every time I walk downtown there, at least 3 people ask me for some change.

[TheDemonLord]

The top 5% of households in terms of income in this country, pay 47% of net tax in New Zealand. Households up to $60,000 income receive more in welfare on average than they pay in tax. Therefore those earning over $60,000 in income, subsidise other people's vices, stupidities as well as of course everybody' appropriate needs (e.g. disaster relief, justice, sickness benefits, roads, police etc etc) as well as their virtues and desires. Yet clearly you don't think those who disagree with the way you feel taxes should be spent, should be allowed to have any opinion when tax money and rates money is frittered away on stupid policies.

There is certainly an argument to be made along those lines - but then we regress to the state that Voting was originally, in which only the Landed Gentry (who owned land) had the right to vote and tended not to vote on policies that benefitted the lower classes.

At the same time however, the notion that one person, one vote - with no discriminating factor (ie test to determine ones eligibility to vote) also has it's downsides - the fact that has been outlined above (assuming it is valid - Source?) - where the 5% who contribute the 47% of tax to the government don't get 47% of the say in where/how it is spent.

[sidecar bob]

Fuckin bullshit. Every time I walk downtown there, at least 3 people ask me for some change.

Yeah that would be right, they will be some of the 21 percent that want change.

[sidecar bob]

There is certainly an argument to be made along those lines - but then we regress to the state that Voting was originally, in which only the Landed Gentry (who owned land) had the right to vote and tended not to vote on policies that benefitted the lower classes.

At the same time however, the notion that one person, one vote - with no discriminating factor (ie test to determine ones eligibility to vote) also has it's downsides - the fact that has been outlined above (assuming it is valid - Source?) - where the 5% who contribute the 47% of tax to the government don't get 47% of the say in where/how it is spent.

I think we made a huge step backwards somewhere along the line some time ago.
Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote. It happens to me all the time.
You should have to be in a certain tax bracket to be allowed to vote, that would ensure that only contributors got a say.

[oldrider]

I think we made a huge step backwards somewhere along the line some time ago.
Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote. It happens to me all the time.
You should have to be in a certain tax bracket to be allowed to vote, that would ensure that only contributors got a say.

Why do you think they want to lower the voting age? :shifty: More media contrived votes! :brick:

[nodrog]

....... Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote.....

only when I'm sidecar racing.

[TheDemonLord]

I think we made a huge step backwards somewhere along the line some time ago.
Don't you ever pull up at the lights & look to both sides of you & see carloads of people that are too stupid & non contributing to society to be allowed to vote. It happens to me all the time.
You should have to be in a certain tax bracket to be allowed to vote, that would ensure that only contributors got a say.

Well, I certainly am inclined that way - but there has to be balance. Could I trust even myself that I would always make good decisions for and on the part of those who would be excluded from Voting.

I would like to think I could

[Grumph]

only when I'm sidecar racing.

Superb, sir...

A novelist - Nevil Shute I think - once wrote about an evolved Australia ( yeah, oxymoron ) where there was a voting system where extra votes above the basic one were earned. Extra for service in armed forces, fire, police, ambo. Extra for employing above a certain number of people...you get the picture.
Memory has just chimed in - you could earn a max of four votes. A fifth was available by doing something extraordinary - like a VC.

May one day be worth revisting.

[sidecar bob]

Being alive for long enough to be a certain age qualifies you to vote no more than it qualifies you to drive.

[sidecar bob]

only when I'm sidecar racing.

Fuckin same, that's why I quit.:facepalm:

[Grumph]

Being alive for long enough to be a certain age qualifies you to vote no more than it qualifies you to drive.

You've really got to get out of Tauranga....

[awa355]

At a recent family gathering, a young tattoo'd,pierced drop dead (no, not me) was asked if she had voted last election.

"Nah, I only vote on tv shows". :brick::brick:

[RDJ]

It comes off to me as another poor cunt that's sick & tired of other people squandering his tax dollars on whimsical bullshit while forcing their minority opinions on others.

Thank you, exactly my point of view albeit more colorfully expressed :-)