Poor Old Cecil.

[awa355]

What a circus. I do find the killing of an animal like a lion, just because some rich buggar has the money and power to kill for his own ego, abhorrent.

What is just as sad is the social media comprising, mostly, of soccer mums around the world wanting to crucify the guy. If Cecil didn't have a name, would anyone have given a toss?:brick::brick:

[mashman]

If Cecil didn't have a name, would anyone have given a toss?:brick::brick:

Those charged with protecting the lion?

[bogan]

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Movie based on the events...

[Katman]

Some days it sucks to be a particular lion.

Hopefully the outrage will make a change though.

I don't even care if the outrage offends people.

[Trade_nancy]

What a circus. I do find the killing of an animal like a lion, just because some rich buggar has the money and power to kill for his own ego, abhorrent.

What is just as sad is the social media comprising, mostly, of soccer mums around the world wanting to crucify the guy. If Cecil didn't have a name, would anyone have given a toss?:brick::brick:

Yeh..I think so...but the name helped to shame the tosser some more. His only admission of wrong doing being that he killed a protected and named lion..he saw no shame in wanting to kill a wonderful animal - just for fun. He is perverted..but not alone. Many share his passion for the kill for thrill...many here in NZ...but by comparison I see no shame in shooting a feral cat or overpopulated deer..not my choice..but I see no wrong-doing there....but why go and seek out such a handsome animal expressly to end it's life?

[Woodman]

Seriously I didn't know people did that shit anymore.:brick:

The guy is a fucktard.

Shoot him with a bow and arrow and chase him for 40 hours.:nya:

Fuckwit.

[Akzle]

take it to fuckin facebook you whining lefty greeny fucks.

I want a fucken lion burger.

[oldrider]

take it to fuckin facebook you whining lefty greeny fucks.

I want a fucken lion burger.

If he wore a wig everybody would laugh but did you notice those pearly white teeth? - for a guy his age they looked bloody ridiculous! :killingme

[awa355]

I wonder how many $800 filings and $2,000 root canal jobs this guy is missing out on while keeping quiet. ;);)

[JATZ]

I'm all good with it.... Lions have been killed before and they will be in the future.
I'm sure the Kenyan government is happy to have some more American $$$ in the local economy too, 'cause that's what helps fund the wildlife parks.
Would there be the same outcry from the doo gooders if it had been a Masai tribesman doing Masai equivalent of the Yardie who'd speared the thing ?

[Laava]

He should come here and get down on some primo woodpigeons with the locals.

[husaberg]

He should come here and get down on some primo woodpigeons with the locals.

A guy got caught a while back with 16 of those I think the max fine is $6000 each.
The cecil killer guy had been in trouble for illegally shooting bears as well.

[Rhys]

The maximum penalty for hunting or killing wood Pigeon is a $100,000 fine or six months in jail.

[awayatc]

Hunting and gathering is what we are and do.....

for food and survival.

Sport is for recreation.....

to Shoot a top predator living on a protected wildlife reserve ,

and paying somebody to drag it into your sights...?

Only a measly writling slimy wurm with little or no self esteem would think it somehow gives him a manly man's hairshirty aura of superiority.......


He wants to test that perceived primal dominance for real.....?
let him hunt a man....
an armed man...
an armed man who knows he is being hunted......

fucking spoiled useless wannabee wanker

[TheDemonLord]

What a circus. I do find the killing of an animal like a lion, just because some rich buggar has the money and power to kill for his own ego, abhorrent.

What is just as sad is the social media comprising, mostly, of soccer mums around the world wanting to crucify the guy. If Cecil didn't have a name, would anyone have given a toss?:brick::brick:

QFT

I intend to get my Firearms licence and go Deer hunting in the future - with the moral Caveat that I will eat the Deer. I find killing purely for the sake of Killing to be morally corrupt. But I find the court of Public opinion in this case to be equally morally Corrupt.

If there is outage to be had (and I think there is) let us direct it against the system that allows this to happen, rather than the individual that utilised that system.

But of course - it's far easier to blame someONE as opposed to blame someTHING

[Swoop]

Hunting and gathering is what we are and do.....

Only a measly writling slimy wurm with little or no self esteem would think it somehow gives him a manly man's hairshirty aura of superiority.......

I'm still wondering what type of retarded moron would hunt a lion with a bow and arrow?


Also, as for hairyshirted manly-men... I wonder how many people are taking the piss out of Vladimir Putin at the moment? This sort of thing is right up his alley.

[pritch]

If he wore a wig everybody would laugh but did you notice those pearly white teeth? - for a guy his age they looked bloody ridiculous! :killingme

I noticed those teeth too, it was hard not to. I guess that's what happens if you have an unlimited supply of whitener and an excess of vanity?

Ethical hunting as a sport is fine I have no problem with that. Too much hunting these days is decadent; a trophy stag is captured and put in a paddock and some turkey pays big bucks to go into the paddock and "hunt" it. I've always understood that sort of thing was illegal in this country but it would seem that it is happening.

Perhaps the Government don't have a problem with law-breaking as long as it brings in the cash.

[imdying]

Big fucking deal. Lots of people dying in Zimbabwe from hunger every month , one cat is the least of their problems. Walter Palmer did nothing wrong; he paid somebody 50k to shoot a lion, so that's what he did. Not his problem that the guy let him shoot the wrong one.

You can see the glorification of hunting every week on New Zealand television. A nice little hour of watching animals being tortured by being bludgeoned by hunting equipment, and taken out of their environment in what surely must be the most distressing thing that could happen to them. Personally, I have no problem with that, butchering animals for sport is quite obivously a way of life for huge amount of New Zealanders.

More than a million cunts probably bitched about this, but I doubt any of them actually did, or plan to do, anything of any consequence that might improve the lot of the big cats in Africa.

Facebook activism, nothing more. Lion was lucky he had a name, or he wouldn't have even got that much.

[oldrider]

Have you ever watched a TV fishing show? - I just cant understand the inconsistency of the oh dear me brigade on this one! - Never a murmur but it's the same thing!

[Tazz]

More than a million cunts probably bitched about this, but I doubt any of them actually did, or plan to do, anything of any consequence that might improve the lot of the big cats in Africa.

Fuck off. I bought fair trade tea bags once so I'm pretty sure I'm covered as having participated in saving any part of the planet through that.

It's like those idiots going over to Asia and getting riled up about the way they treat Elephants, never mind the race horses and greyhounds at home :rolleyes:

[awa355]

I'm still wondering what type of retarded moron would hunt a lion with a bow and arrow?


Also, as for hairyshirted manly-men... I wonder how many people are taking the piss out of Vladimir Putin at the moment? This sort of thing is right up his alley.

Putin would've taken Cecil with his bare hands. (according to the Russian media).

[James Deuce]

Have you ever watched a TV fishing show? - I just cant understand the inconsistency of the oh dear me brigade on this one! - Never a murmur but it's the same thing!

Fish deserve everything they get.

[imdying]

Have you ever watched a TV fishing show? - I just cant understand the inconsistency of the oh dear me brigade on this one! - Never a murmur but it's the same thing!Oh but it's the fight and the thrill of the hunt. I had a similar hunt and chase with my neighbours dog.. had to drag it behind my car for two kms before I had tired it enough to hold it by the tail and nose in a beautifully posed photo. Nobody gave me a TV show though :(

[pzkpfw]

Cori Gonzalez-Macuer said it right, on 7-Days last week.

"Nothing worse has ever happened in Africa".



(I may not have quoted exactly - too busy laughing to write it down ...)

[TheDemonLord]

Facebook activism, nothing more.

*Slacktivism

[EJK]

Beating a dead horse... (lion in this case).

[Swoop]

Fish deserve everything they get.

A damn' good battering!

[Woodman]

QFT

I intend to get my Firearms licence and go Deer hunting in the future - with the moral Caveat that I will eat the Deer. I find killing purely for the sake of Killing to be morally corrupt. But I find the court of Public opinion in this case to be equally morally Corrupt.

If there is outage to be had (and I think there is) let us direct it against the system that allows this to happen, rather than the individual that utilised that system.

But of course - it's far easier to blame someONE as opposed to blame someTHING

Yes its the systems fault :killingme

Again, the guy is a fuckwit. Wonder if he has pictures of his kills in his waiting room? Doubt it.

[Swoop]

It is quite interesting that, so far, we haven't heard anything from the Zebras. I bet they are quite pleased about this.

[nodrog]

Oh but it's the fight and the thrill of the hunt. I had a similar hunt and chase with my neighbours dog.. had to drag it behind my car for two kms before I had tired it enough to hold it by the tail and nose in a beautifully posed photo. Nobody gave me a TV show though :(

That's how you catch a girlfriend in Tokoroa.

[SPman]

There were 600 Lions killed last year...most of them by narcissistic egoists like this prick. 2% of the lion population killed per year..mainly the biggest and healthiest of the male population....all legally of course...not that I'd call it hunting. If he went out by himself with a bow and 2 arrows, and stalked the lion (and not a lion who ignored humans, like most of them do) got in close and made the kill.........

[JimO]

do you think we could have a wip round and get some cash for him to go back and kill Mugabee

[SPman]

do you think we could have a wip round and get some cash for him to go back and kill Mugabee

Entice him out of his mansion with a goat on a rope..........

[jasonu]

I'm still wondering what type of retarded moron would hunt a lion with a bow and arrow?
.

Modern hunting bows are not shaved down broom handles...
http://www.skinnymoose.com/mostlyarchery/2009/04/27/overhauling-a-hunting-bow/

[jasonu]

Again, the guy is a fuckwit. Wonder if he has pictures of his kills in his waiting room? Doubt it.

I'll bet he has pictures and some of the animal parts on display in his waiting room.

[TheDemonLord]

Modern hunting bows are not shaved down broom handles...
http://www.skinnymoose.com/mostlyarchery/2009/04/27/overhauling-a-hunting-bow/

67 Pound Draw?

Tis a Toy fit for Children

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130-200 pound draw weights is where the real men are.

Now show me to my French enemy!

[Banditbandit]

Putin would've taken Cecil with his bare hands. (according to the Russian media).

I'd pay to see that ... and bet on the lion ...


Fish deserve everything they get.

What did fish ever do to you ???


If he went out by himself with a bow and 2 arrows, and stalked the lion (and not a lion who ignored humans, like most of them do) got in close and made the kill.........

Kill range of hunting bows is around 20 yards max. He would have to be damm close anyway ... sure - arrows go further than that, but they lose their impact force very quickly ...

[Banditbandit]

67 Pound Draw?

Tis a Toy fit for Children



True .. but have you ever drawn a bow yourself?

[Akzle]

Kill range of hunting bows is around 20 yards max. He would have to be damm close anyway ... sure - arrows go further than that, but they lose their impact force very quickly ...

arrows, esp broadheads, dont kill by hydrostatic shock ('impact force'), rather, massive haemorhaggings. A 125gr 3/4" broadhead with a chest shot will often drill holes through even red deer, leaving a wound channel some square feet, to bleed out of...

(with muchum practice, i'd trust an arrow to 50. A pro, maybe 70.)

[TheDemonLord]

True .. but have you ever drawn a bow yourself?

I've dabbled in Medieval re-enactment, but truthfully, they were only 20-30 pound draws (practice bows) with light weight arrows.

However I did see demonstration of a Longbow that was I think a 90 pound draw - and it is scary to see a bodkin punch through plate Armour...

Even scarier when a proper English Long-bowmen would be pulling 150-200 pound draw weight (estimated)

[James Deuce]

What did fish ever do tyo you ???


Days of endless vomiting.

[James Deuce]

In regard to the arrow thing, there are a large variety of different piles that used for very different activities, and the the type of pile changes depending on the target. Most people are familar only with target piles and "ancient" broadheads. What you'd take boar hunting is very different to what you'd use on people. Boars don't believe they are dead until they can't move anymore. Deer and people tend to die somewhat easier. But Akzle is right, a proper lethal large mammal oriented broadhead burrows into its prey. Range and force are mediated by how fast you can get an arrow spinning, so again the fletching of a hunting arrow is quite different to a target arrow as well as the head/pile.

I used a 42lb draw composite (ash core, willow outers, fibre glass finished) recurve I built myself for bow hunting which is a sport, because it is done in bush, in awkward terrain and an arrow leaps up upon release and then levels out a few metres in front of you. A 3m target distance required lots of practice to get your head around the trajectory change. I used a 40kg compound (has a pulley to reduce holding load at full draw) for indoor target shooting and 60kg for outside. I used the 42lb with rabbit piles to kill rabbits. It's a flat disc on the end of the arrow. It smashes a rabbit. I'd use target piles on big hares. I won't hunt pigs with a bow because I'm not stupid. I prefer 25mm grenade rounds fired from something that can project them 200 metres at least. I cannot draw anything over 60kg and reliably hit targets, even a compound. I have no shame in admitting that. But you can overcome limitations with technology and head, shaft and fletching tech has come a long way since Agincourt.

[oldrider]

Cecil would be astonished to know how much discussion his demise has generated on an insignificant little motorcycle forum located on the bottom of the world! :corn:

[husaberg]

What did fish ever do to you ??? ...
Swim around and taste good

[TheDemonLord]

I won't hunt pigs with a bow because I'm not stupid. I prefer 25mm grenade rounds fired from something that can project them 200 metres at least.

Interesting side note - In Medieval times, one of the tests of a Knights skill and bravery was to hunt a Boar on foot, with only a Sword.

[Swoop]

Modern hunting bows are not shaved down broom handles...
http://www.skinnymoose.com/mostlyarchery/2009/04/27/overhauling-a-hunting-bow/

Yes, quite different. Even with a hunting head a lion in close would still travel a bit of distance with a bit of a grump on regarding the owner of the arrow.
Dangerous game does not get treated lightly. I have a distant cousin in the 1900's who was killed by an elephant. I doubt cussies' bang-stick was effective enough...


I was rather surprised with those compound bows, as a family member was into that. Weirdly, the pull weight got lighter the further back it was pulled. Most interesting it was!

[Banditbandit]

arrows, esp broadheads, dont kill by hydrostatic shock ('impact force'), rather, massive haemorhaggings. A 125gr 3/4" broadhead with a chest shot will often drill holes through even red deer, leaving a wound channel some square feet, to bleed out of...

(with muchum practice, i'd trust an arrow to 50. A pro, maybe 70.)


I've dabbled in Medieval re-enactment, but truthfully, they were only 20-30 pound draws (practice bows) with light weight arrows.

However I did see demonstration of a Longbow that was I think a 90 pound draw - and it is scary to see a bodkin punch through plate Armour...

Even scarier when a proper English Long-bowmen would be pulling 150-200 pound draw weight (estimated)

I own and hunted with bows ... (too old and broken to carry big animals out of the bush now - that's why I fish ...) I didn't use compound bows - but American Indian flat bows .. yes, I have put an arrow right through a deer - the deer walked over, sniffed the arrow, then fell over dead.

I would not pull and fire at an animal more than 20 yards away - as there is no gaurantee of a kill (well, there is no gaurantee of a kill even with a gun - you can miss) ... but the chances of only wounding the animal are that much higher ..

I've only used an English longbow once (belonged a mate) - it was awesome ...

Yeah - arrows kil by massive haemoraging .. in our bush the legal requiremernts for hunting arrows .. this is to assist with a major haemoraging (and also to prevent bow hunters going after our birds)



Bow hunting minimum criteria
Minimum drawing weight factor 15 kg (35 lb).
Minimum diameter of two opposing blades is 22 mm (7/8 in).
Only non-barbed hunting arrows are permissible.
Arrows with any poison, explosive or other chemical substance on or in the head or shaft are not permitted.

Crossbow minimum criteria
Minimum drawing weight factor 68 kg ( 150 lb).
Minimum diameter of multi-bladed head is 22 mm (7/8 in).
Minimum length of complete arrow is 400 mm (16 in).
Only non-barbed hunting arrows are permissible.
Hunting arrows must not be placed into a loaded crossbow under any circumstances unless target is located. Crossbow must have a positive mechanical safety device in working order.
Arrows with any poison, explosive or other chemical substance on or in the head or shaft are not permitted.

[Banditbandit]

Interesting side note - In Medieval times, one of the tests of a Knights skill and bravery was to hunt a Boar on foot, with only a Sword.

So .... our pig hunters do it on foot with a bayonet ... what's the wimpy 'sword' shit ???

[Banditbandit]

. I used the 42lb with rabbit piles to kill rabbits. It's a flat disc on the end of the arrow. It smashes a rabbit.

I used target piles on rabbits - yes, the rabbit piles smash rabbits - wastes a lot of meat in the process ..

[James Deuce]

I used target piles on rabbits - yes, the rabbit piles smash rabbits - wastes a lot of meat in the process ..
Not allowed to eat them. Wife can't cope. Sigh.

[Banditbandit]

Not allowed to eat them. Wife can't cope. Sigh.

Mine eats wild food ... in fact, the first time I cooked dinner for her I accidently served her wild goat (I thought it was hogget) .. after the meal she complimented my cooking and I confessed it was goat .. her response? "I know ..."

I kept that one ... she complains when there is not enough wild food in the freezer ...

[Akzle]

130-200 pound draw weights is where the real men are.

Now show me to my French enemy!
a six foot bow, when the average anglo was five foot tall.
it's a straight stick before they draw it...

much impressive.

btw 30lb is for bitches.



I used a 42lb draw composite (ash core, willow outers, fibre glass finished) recurve I built myself
i love it when you talk dirty to me.

(check out the SGH (small game heads) bit of thwack in the middle with springloaded barbs around. snots possums cold out of trees and grabs kukupu// errr... feral chickens pretty good too.

I have a distant cousin in the 1900's who was killed by an elephant. I doubt cussies' bang-stick was effective enough...

most people shoot to high, so i hear tell. the brain stis quite low in the head (and is quite small) a 375 will do it. (lawd i want a 375) but i think they prefer 458 nowdays.

orr 700NE :laugh:

[awa355]

Can you believe this drivel?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/70909511/the-pride-looks-after-cecil-the-lions-cubs

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/cecil.jpg

Anyway, I thought Cecil had a black mane.

[ellipsis]

...I have killed most pigs I have encountered with a knife, where do I get my Knighthood...I shot arrows at bails as a sport a long while ago...I was a member of the Nonsuch Bowmans Assoc...the oldest bow shooting club, assoc, in existence. Henry (the eighth one) formed it so they could look after his Welsh arse...we shot 43 to 48 lb recurves...a full tournament of 1200 flights was a bit like a six hour endurance race...there were a bunch of big hairyarses that could actually hold,aim and accurately shoot a traditional longbow...90 to 100 lb...but not for long...half tournaments were not so bad, but the arms and shoulders still hurt some time later...I got really fucking good...as much to technique as strength...my first few hundred flights really fucked with my face and skin and also the skin off the inside wrist had to toughen up, big time...I just have a few 8 foot pointy sticks know...

[scumdog]

a six foot bow, when the average anglo was five foot tall.
it's a straight stick before they draw it...

much impressive.

btw 30lb is for bitches.


i love it when you talk dirty to me.

(check out the SGH (small game heads) bit of thwack in the middle with springloaded barbs around. snots possums cold out of trees and grabs kukupu// errr... feral chickens pretty good too.

most people shoot to high, so i hear tell. the brain stis quite low in the head (and is quite small) a 375 will do it. (lawd i want a 375) but i think they prefer 458 nowdays.

orr 700NE :laugh:

Pfft, 7X57 is all you need - just ask Karamojo Bell!

(OK, ya can't ask him 'cos he's dead - from old age I believe)

[scumdog]

Can you believe this drivel?


Anyway, I thought Cecil had a black mane.

Yeah, what a load of sentimental emotional claptrap.:facepalm:

[oldrider]

Anyway, I thought Cecil had a black mane.

Well historic photographic evidence showed the world that a certain "nude" Balvegus police officer was sporting a black mane when he upheld the law! :Police:

Rumour has it that his mane was the only thing that has "held up" for many years but he is optimistic that change (out of the blue) is imminent! :wait:

Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent in this report! :whistle:

[husaberg]

Cecil update.................still dead

https://youtu.be/GxwoxWOd_dc

[Banditbandit]

Cecil update.................still dead

https://youtu.be/GxwoxWOd_dc

You're a sick man ..

[husaberg]

You say that like its a bad thing:innocent:
They issued permits to kill bloody heaps of Lions each year, Only thing that is extraordinary here is this one that was killed was semi famous.
I don't think hunting lions is particularly that clever or should be done at all unless the population is over crowded.
But he is dead and likely to remain that way for the foreseeable future at least.
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[Akzle]

[husaberk ]You're a sick man ..

in more ways than three...