Offroad buggy

[-df-]

Wrong place for this, but hoping someone has dealt with something like this and can point me in the right direction.

I've just bought an off road buggy (this thing http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/398154665.jpg) and I want to put an A-Frame on the front so I can tow it around (Beach, woodhill, etc).

Does anyone know of the legal requirement for this is? Do I have to get a trailer rego/wof type thing to tow it? Anyone got a link? All I've been able to find is that its not recommended, but it is legal to put a A-Frame on an off-roader, but there was no mention of legal requirement for rego/wof (as the only time it will be on the road is when towed).

Cheers,

[haydes55]

Pretty sure if the wheels touch the road, it needs to have a wof and reg

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[Gremlin]

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/factsheets/75/docs/75-a-frame-towing.pdf

You may be better looking at forums for off roading, as I doubt it would be new stuff to them...

[TheDemonLord]

on a side note - I've always wanted to take one of the Dune Buggy things for a hoon

[Flip]

I see the kiwibiker lawyer service is operating in overdrive.

I used to tow a old hunting landrover around on an A frame and got this in writing from the LTSA.

You are allowed to tow a unredgistered unwof'd vehicle on the road provided it is disabled and unable to run. I believe it is 50kph on a tow rope and 90 kph with an a frame.

Pull the rotor out and its disabled.

[carburator]

you are going to be better off trailering the buggy as nine times out of ten
it goes back on the trailer broken.

A framing a vehicle, the vehicle has to hold a current wof and reg.

I think yours is a early Cougar frame given that the VW front end
unbolts and style of the side bars..

[pete-blen]

i went though this....
the info I got from the AA was....

if towing on a A-frame or tow dolly.. the towed vehicle is no longer relieing
on it's own brakes or steering.... So WOF & rego are not required..
but the tow cars number plate has to be seen from the rear...
For $18 you can get a supplarmenty number plate that has the same rego
number as the towing vehicle... got mine from the LTSA web site...

if useing a tow rope..WOF & Rego are required...

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/trailers/single-axle/auction-927313070.htm

Trailer for when you destroy an axle.

[-df-]

i went though this....
the info I got from the AA was....

if towing on a A-frame or tow dolly.. the towed vehicle is no longer relieing
on it's own brakes or steering.... So WOF & rego are not required..
but the tow cars number plate has to be seen from the rear...
For $18 you can get a supplarmenty number plate that has the same rego
number as the towing vehicle... got mine from the LTSA web site...

if useing a tow rope..WOF & Rego are required...

Cheers for that, I'll give them a call and confirm.

[-df-]

Mostly going to be used up the beach in the beginning, but once I get the hang off it I'll try racing, at which point I'll invest in a trailer but in the mean time I want to just save some money and tow it.

[-df-]

you are going to be better off trailering the buggy as nine times out of ten
it goes back on the trailer broken.

A framing a vehicle, the vehicle has to hold a current wof and reg.

I think yours is a early Cougar frame given that the VW front end
unbolts and style of the side bars..

Have you used them before? Any good? I'm completely new to these things, just always wanted one.

[carburator]

Have you used them before? Any good? I'm completely new to these things, just always wanted one.

hehe, yea I raced a lot in my younger day. without looking at the frame close up I really can't tell you much
front looks cougar but it could be a pengal (sp) frame as well.

you needed big balls as the buggers never went where you wanted them to but still great fun.
you only start breaking stuff when you start making serious Hp and speed my old Challenger
would do 120mph in the taupo forest ..

Just keep your thumbs outside the steering wheel because sure as shit Id bet its got the hell
bump steer and the first thing you lose is your thumb nails..


oranz.co.nz for the rule book and bits..

Racing.. you think motorbikes are a black hole that swallow money....
the one thing that you could do with it is go flat tracking at either the waiuku dirt track club
or the meremere club,

[BMWST?]

on a side note - I've always wanted to take one of the Dune Buggy things for a hoon

ditto...why they cant build a decent irs suv is beyond me

[-df-]

hehe, yea I raced a lot in my younger day. without looking at the frame close up I really can't tell you much
front looks cougar but it could be a pengal (sp) frame as well.

you needed big balls as the buggers never went where you wanted them to but still great fun.
you only start breaking stuff when you start making serious Hp and speed my old Challenger
would do 120mph in the taupo forest ..

Just keep your thumbs outside the steering wheel because sure as shit Id bet its got the hell
bump steer and the first thing you lose is your thumb nails..


oranz.co.nz for the rule book and bits..

Racing.. you think motorbikes are a black hole that swallow money....
the one thing that you could do with it is go flat tracking at either the waiuku dirt track club
or the meremere club,

Cheers for the info. If you feel like reliving your youth let me know (I'm well past my youth, but still young at heart!)...once its all up and running (just need to install the engine, and check a few things) I'd love to pick the brains of someone that knows them. Its only got a 1300cc VW engine so no serious HP to deal with at the moment (which is probably for the best regarding my skill!)...hoping its good to learn on and then go from there if I want to keep it up.

[carburator]

Cheers for the info. If you feel like reliving your youth let me know (I'm well past my youth, but still young at heart!)...once its all up and running (just need to install the engine, and check a few things) I'd love to pick the brains of someone that knows them. Its only got a 1300cc VW engine so no serious HP to deal with at the moment (which is probably for the best regarding my skill!)...hoping its good to learn on and then go from there if I want to keep it up.

Laughs, I will have a think about it, since its got a C on the bonnet that's challenger class, meaning it should be a 1600cc
if its a 1300 race class 7, which is very regulated ( hence its driver skill not the cheque book that wins )
there is a whole lot of tricks and stuff, about the frames, suspension and motors..

[Flip]

My letter from the LTSA reads
"If it cannot be started (i.e. when you turn the key on the vehicle, the vehicle will not start) it can be towed on a "A frame" and will not need a WOF or registration."

[Tazz]

My letter from the LTSA reads
"If it cannot be started (i.e. when you turn the key on the vehicle, the vehicle will not start) it can be towed on a "A frame" and will not need a WOF or registration."

In the last few months there was some shit about this on offroadexpress.kiwi

From memory a central? North Island porker has been cracking down because like always with law, there is something written somewhere else that contradicts the rules everyone has followed for years, and some overzealous cop is now running out of pages in his ticket book with a grin on his face.

Nzfa may have something on their site too.
Mr vahey? Seemed to be on the ball about it.

I used to aframe a little and I just chucked some magnetic tail lights I had on the back, but a trailer is a good investment. That looks like something you'll just cut your teeth on so plan ahead trailer wise incase you go bigger. My mate had a similar setup but went to a 1.6 yota and coilovers pretty quick. Gbox linkage from the vw box still on there is always being a problematic though. He got sick of throwing money at it, partly because he kept crashing, so it's quietly for sale and he rides a yzf instead, which he crashes just as much :laugh:

[haydes55]

Why would people bother with a normal trailer, if you can make an A frame 4 wheeled trailer that wouldn't need to be WoFd or registered?

[carburator]

Why would people bother with a normal trailer, if you can make an A frame 4 wheeled trailer that wouldn't need to be WoFd or registered?

challangers tip the scales about 850/900 kg and most of us ran single axle trailers..

[Flip]

Why would people bother with a normal trailer, if you can make an A frame 4 wheeled trailer that wouldn't need to be WoFd or registered?

You don't.

I could tow a stripped down series 2 landy at 950 kg as is without brakes or load it onto a 300kg trailer and need a braked trailer.
The law allows anybody to tow a disabled vehicle.
I would be happy to publish the letter.

This all came around when I redgistered the S2 landy as a trailer and then tried to get a wof for it. Which I could not do. I even had a plug that wired the landys tail lights into the cars.

[awa355]

Why would people bother with a normal trailer, if you can make an A frame 4 wheeled trailer that wouldn't need to be WoFd or registered?

Imagine waiting your turn at the local dump while some idiot tries to back a 4 wheeled trailer up to unload :laugh:

[Gremlin]

Why would people bother with a normal trailer, if you can make an A frame 4 wheeled trailer that wouldn't need to be WoFd or registered?
It would require a fair amount of engineering to get brake linkage sorted for an a-frame, or you could use a braked trailer instead. Vehicles (and tow bars) have braked and unbraked ratings... Depending on the buggy/whatever is being towed weight is, you could need a serious tow vehicle to handle the unbraked weight.

[Laava]

You don't.

I could tow a stripped down series 2 landy at 950 kg as is without brakes or load it onto a 300kg trailer and need a braked trailer.
The law allows anybody to tow a disabled vehicle.
I would be happy to publish the letter.

This all came around when I redgistered the S2 landy as a trailer and then tried to get a wof for it. Which I could not do. I even had a plug that wired the landys tail lights into the cars.

Good piss take. But you would deserve every ticket you got.

[Tazz]

Good piss take. But you would deserve every ticket you got.

It's clearly written that a trailer cannot be something that can travel under its own power, so complete waste of time to try, unless of course you pulled all that gear out. They'd probably want all the mounts chopped and the like too so it wasn't too easy to return to self propelled trim.

[Laava]

It's clearly written that a trailer cannot be something that can travel under its own power, so complete waste of time to try, unless of course you pulled all that gear out. They'd probably want all the mounts chopped and the like too so it wasn't too easy to return to self propelled trim.

Exactly. Trailer anyone? $36 a year to rego?