Speed limit sign perception poll

[EJK]

What is your personal understanding (regards to anybody else says) of speed sign posts? Undisclosed poll.

<img src="http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/roadcode/gfx/100k-sign.gif" />

[Banditbandit]

My vote DOES NOT MEAN I DO IT ... but I do know what the sign means and what I'm supposed to do - I ignore it .. it just means the speed passed which I will get ticketed if caught .. (you don't have that option in your poll)

[SVboy]

Poll does not work for me. In my car, I am very abiding of limits. On my bikes, it is a different story.

[Akzle]

d) no fucks given. I'll drive/ride to the lesser of: how i feel; the conditions.

[Stirts]

I thought the speed limit signs were just for cars :mellow:

[EJK]

I thought the speed limit signs were just for cars :mellow:

And this sign stands for "no limit" :innocent:

<img src="http://www.drivingtests.co.nz/images/question-images/derestriction-sign.gif" />

[Swoop]

It merely represents what a committee in Wellytown decided "would be nice" for that area of road. It has no relevance on conditions or environmental factors might be applicable.

Option D: Ride to the conditions.

[Maha]

Personal understanding is, it's law. Personal view is, it's a guide only. Some cops turn a blind eye if slightly over (given the conditions at the time) whereas a speed camera does not.
An observation is that most car drivers are happy at 90 kph.

[Hitcher]

It merely represents what a committee in Wellytown decided "would be nice" for that area of road.

Only on state highways that aren't in "metropolitan" areas. Otherwise posted speed restrictions are the ambit of local authorities.

[TheDemonLord]

I voted Target - however its a little misleading - if the conditions are such that in a 100 Kph zone, the safest maximum speed I can ride/drive is less than that, I will drive/ride at those speeds (Gravel tracks for example may be 100 kph Zone, but since I am not Sebatian Loeb...)

[Tazz]

Only on state highways that aren't in "metropolitan" areas. Otherwise posted speed restrictions are the ambit of local authorities.

Which is why you get shit like this?


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Not that I'm complaining.....but it's funny how I'm a danger to everyone at 105kph + on a sealed and well maintained road, but I can do 100 on back block single lane gravel roads complete with live stock, potholes, other traffic and all while sipping a beer (so long as I'm under the legal limit).

This is one of the reasons why I have less and less fucks to give about traffic laws and the paper pushing dweebs that make em as I get older :laugh:
Not that I go mental on the road or anything.

[EJK]

For better example, let's say it's on a good condition i.e. Sun shining, 10am Saturday, general motorway/ highway back road, low traffic and no road works, sealed road etc.

[rambaldi]

For better example, let's say it's on a good condition i.e. Sun shining, 10am Saturday, general motorway/ highway back road, low traffic and no road works, sealed road etc.

I find there is a difference between what I would do on my own and what I feel pressured to do based on other road user's actions... i.e. option A, vs. option B as I learn how to actually ride.

[caspernz]

It's funny how I'm a danger to everyone at 105kph + on a sealed and well maintained road, but I can do 100 on back block single lane gravel roads complete with live stock, potholes, other traffic and all while sipping a beer (so long as I'm under the legal limit).

This is one of the reasons why I have less and less fucks to give about traffic laws and the paper pushing dweebs that make em as I get older :laugh:
Not that I go mental on the road or anything.

Yep, with you on that observation. The signs are simple, it's what the speed limit is in the zone up ahead of the sign. Ride/drive to the conditions prevails for me though, so on the bike it sometimes means the limit plus a bit more, all about time and place mind you.

[Old Steve]

Oh, I thought you meant those yellow signs suggesting a speed for a corner. Generally I take those 20 to 30 km/hr above the sign's recommended speed - except for a couple of 35 km/hr posted corners on the Kawhia road, they mean it.

On the roads I try to stay under the posted speed limit, but find I creep up above it as I don't spend all my time staring at the speedo. I watch the road for the many dangers out there for someone riding a motorcycle.

[mossy1200]

Poll answers don't seem to fit.

100 sign indicates open road speed limit area.

[Tazz]

Thinking about it, the 'limit' is always a target for me. Changing conditions just mean I have to be off target for a bit :laugh:

I never planned to see the limits that way, that's just how my mind works.

That said, I'm in less of a rush in 50 zones as a rule, but I don't have to commute to work like most.


I find there is a difference between what I would do on my own and what I feel pressured to do based on other road user's actions... i.e. option A, vs. option B as I learn how to actually ride.

Same, I always ride and drive faster when I'm by myself.

[rambaldi]

Thinking about it, the 'limit' is always a target for me. Changing conditions just mean I have to be off target for a bit :laugh:

I never planned to see the limits that way, that's just how my mind works.

That said, I'm in less of a rush in 50 zones as a rule, but I don't have to commute to work like most.



Same, I always ride and drive faster when I'm by myself.

I was trying to imply the opposite for myself, at least with regards to riding; without sounding like a wuss :p I tend to ride a bit slower when on my own atm. enjoying the ride.

Personal experience driving and riding, people seem to be in more of a rush in the 50 zones than out of it...

[mossy1200]

Thinking about it, the 'limit' is always a target for me. Changing conditions just mean I have to be off target for a bit :laugh:

I never planned to see the limits that way, that's just how my mind works.

That said, I'm in less of a rush in 50 zones as a rule, but I don't have to commute to work like most.



Same, I always ride and drive faster when I'm by myself.

On the hill they have 100 in coloured circles and say it not a target.
They could be made by the tui people though.

[98tls]

Only one i take notice of is the one with 15 on it on the road to Springs Junction,years ago i came across it and thought :laugh: yea right and carried on to find :nono: yep i should have taken note.

[Tazz]

I was trying to imply the opposite for myself, at least with regards to riding; without sounding like a wuss :p I tend to ride a bit slower when on my own atm. enjoying the ride.

Personal experience driving and riding, people seem to be in more of a rush in the 50 zones than out of it...

That's another interesting mindset thing. If you're all going to the same place who cares if you're slower? I've never understood that.

I don't like leading because I don't like to feel I'm holding people up, but at the same time I only go as fast as I want to. Try it ;)


On the hill they have 100 in coloured circles and say it not a target.
They could be made by the tui people though.

Yep, I see em, but it doesn't matter to my thick skull. In one car I used to drive regularly I tried to cruise at 90 to save on gas (it was thirsty as fark and the 10k less made a huge difference) but I couldn't do it. Every time I looked down I was somehow back at 100 +.

[98tls]

I reckon for us :confused:older folk still riding head down arse up stuff a dispensation should be offered re the 100k limit,despite the fact that 100k is barely moving its fucking uncomfortable and therefore for the 50+ rider a limit of 140k....less fatigue etc would be a better option safety wise.

[Ocean1]

On the hill they have 100 in coloured circles and say it not a target.

I dunno, for non-targets there's a fair few full of bullet holes.

[Ocean1]

I reckon for us :confused:older folk still riding head down arse up stuff a dispensation should be offered re the 100k limit,despite the fact that 100k is barely moving its fucking uncomfortable and therefore for the 50+ rider a limit of 140k....less fatigue etc would be a better option safety wise.

I like that. Reckon an extra kph per year old over 50 be about right...

Edit: With extra credit for joint pain.

[Swoop]

... are the ambit of local authorities.

Authorities who are provided with a list of "approved" speeds to select from. How many authorities are permitted to show 115, or 120?

Just suit-wearing scum in Wellywood.

[merv]

Which is why you get shit like this?

Not that I'm complaining.....but it's funny how I'm a danger to everyone at 105kph + on a sealed and well maintained road, but I can do 100 on back block single lane gravel roads complete with live stock, potholes, other traffic and all while sipping a beer (so long as I'm under the legal limit).

This is one of the reasons why I have less and less fucks to give about traffic laws and the paper pushing dweebs that make em as I get older :laugh:
Not that I go mental on the road or anything.

Ssshhhh, don't tell anyone they'll mark the gravel roads all at 30km/hr if you even hint its a good idea.

[R650R]

Not that I'm complaining.....but it's funny how I'm a danger to everyone at 105kph + on a sealed and well maintained road, but I can do 100 on back block single lane gravel roads complete with live stock, potholes, other traffic and all while sipping a beer (so long as I'm under the legal limit).



That road looks primo for stand up powerslides out of the corners at 140k (not saying that's ne but there are riders out there that can), get a bigger bike. There's heaps of gravel roads where you can hit 100 easy and quite safely. The 'rule' that applies in regard to road safety is that you be able to stop in half the clear road ahead of you as there is no painted centreline.

[Smifffy]

And this sign stands for "no limit" :innocent:

image removed lest I attract the wrath of a mode with on a bigger power trip than a popo that's stopped someone 10k over at the end of a pssing lane.

That sign is no longer in use here.

[mossy1200]

That sign is no longer in use here.

Bet there is one out the back of somewhere they forgot to replace.

[Smifffy]

Bet there is one out the back of somewhere they forgot to replace.

Possibly, although it's also a fairly safe bet that any one of the contractors will have quickly offered to replace any spotted at the going rate.

[merv]

And this sign stands for "no limit" :innocent:



That one didn't in NZ it was just open road speed limit, but this one in Germany means no limit:

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Which meant you could drive like this:

[mossy1200]

Possibly, although it's also a fairly safe bet that any one of the contractors will have quickly offered to replace any spotted at the going rate.

Then planted it on another road and offered to replace it again.:whistle:

[Tazz]

That road looks primo for stand up powerslides out of the corners at 140k (not saying that's ne but there are riders out there that can), get a bigger bike. There's heaps of gravel roads where you can hit 100 easy and quite safely. The 'rule' that applies in regard to road safety is that you be able to stop in half the clear road ahead of you as there is no painted centreline.


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You're wasted driving trucks. Hit Fairfax up for a job. You'd suit reporting for Stuff.co.nz Fo sho.

[Smifffy]

Img removed cos I'm sick of ninny nanny infractions

You're wasted driving trucks. Hit Fairfax up for a job. You'd suit reporting for Stuff.co.nz Fo sho.


Nah, they're still in visual contact in the picture.

[Berries]

That sign is no longer in use here.
You won't see them on the state highways any more but plenty of councils still use them.

[breakaway]

And this sign stands for "no limit" :innocent:



That sign means wheelies only past this point right? The line at a 45 degree angle and all?

[Maha]

Unusually, the poll looks like it's being treated truthfully, the norm is to ...
A) Vote for option most absurd rendering the poll useless.
B) Vote for all options rendering the poll useless.

[Smifffy]

Unusually, the poll looks like it's being treated truthfully, the norm is to ...
A) Vote for option most absurd rendering the poll useless.
B) Vote for all options rendering the poll useless.

Maybe you should start a poll to find out how people answer polls?

[Maha]

Maybe you should start a poll to find out how people answer polls?

Was done in 2011 but failed..http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/poll.php?pollid=1974&do=showresults

[Coolz]

My perception is the sign is not a limit but a percentage.

[awa355]

That sign means wheelies only past this point right? The line at a 45 degree angle and all?



And this sign stands for "no limit" :innocent:



Nah, Ya both got it wrong, the sign indicates maximum lean angle.

[G4L4XY]

Depends how much gas is left in the tank vs how far away your destination/the next gas station is.

[Dave-]

For those interested: Guidelines for setting speed limits and procedures for calculating speed limits (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/setting-speed-limits-2003/#s12)

It's fairly simple math really. Zoom down to "The decision-making process – calculating the speed limit", you'll see there's a bunch of data you need, but basically they answer these questions:


How populated is the stretch of road, are there any schools?
How many pedestrians are there?
How many cyclists are there?
How many car parks are there?
How many lanes are there?
How is the traffic controlled? (stop signs, lights, etc)
Who uses the road?


Each answer gives a number of points, add the points up and Table SLNZ12 shows you what the speed limit ought to be. Obviously this is a guideline, subjective assessment, peer review, and a tonne of meetings would be required, but it's quite interesting.

So to answer OP's question, my personal perception of the sign is that given the above set of questions, that number is what came out the other end.

[caspernz]

For those interested: Guidelines for setting speed limits and procedures for calculating speed limits (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/rules/setting-speed-limits-2003/#s12)

It's fairly simple math really. Zoom down to "The decision-making process – calculating the speed limit", you'll see there's a bunch of data you need, but basically they answer these questions:


How populated is the stretch of road, are there any schools?
How many pedestrians are there?
How many cyclists are there?
How many car parks are there?
How many lanes are there?
How is the traffic controlled? (stop signs, lights, etc)
Who uses the road?


Each answer gives a number of points, add the points up and Table SLNZ12 shows you what the speed limit ought to be. Obviously this is a guideline, subjective assessment, peer review, and a tonne of meetings would be required, but it's quite interesting.

So to answer OP's question, my personal perception of the sign is that given the above set of questions, that number is what came out the other end.

Well that explains why plenty of the corner speed advisory signs are off...the budget has been spent setting other limits. Never ceases to amaze me when a corner with a 55 km/h advisory is significantly reworked, making it a 75 km/h corner yet at the completion of the works the 55 km/h sign gets replanted...gives the tourist drivers an excuse I suppose :brick:

[Smifffy]

Well that explains why plenty of the corner speed advisory signs are off...the budget has been spent setting other limits. Never ceases to amaze me when a corner with a 55 km/h advisory is significantly reworked, making it a 75 km/h corner yet at the completion of the works the 55 km/h sign gets replanted...gives the tourist drivers an excuse I suppose :brick:

I always thought those corner speed advisory signs were indicating how many km/h could be added to the speed limit in place, so that you got the most effective cornering.

[Dave-]

Well that explains why plenty of the corner speed advisory signs are off...the budget has been spent setting other limits. Never ceases to amaze me when a corner with a 55 km/h advisory is significantly reworked, making it a 75 km/h corner yet at the completion of the works the 55 km/h sign gets replanted...gives the tourist drivers an excuse I suppose :brick:

My understanding is that the corner speed is set according to the law that you must be able to stop within the visible lane ahead?

I could be wrong, I haven't looked that one up yet.

[FJRider]

My understanding is that the corner speed is set according to the law that you must be able to stop within the visible lane ahead?

I could be wrong, I haven't looked that one up yet.

Corner speed signs are advisory only ...


But ... you are required by law/ledglislation ...to be able to stop within half the clear distance of roadway ahead of you (on ANY roadway)

[JATZ]

Only one i take notice of is the one with 15 on it on the road to Springs Junction,years ago i came across it and thought :laugh: yea right and carried on to find :nono: yep i should have taken note.
Rahu saddle road ? it's the only one I can think of :scratch:

There's only a handful of corners between Nelson and Chch that require slowing down.

[Hitcher]

My understanding is that the corner speed is set according to the law that you must be able to stop within the visible lane ahead?

I could be wrong, I haven't looked that one up yet.

No, it's the speed above which the egg falls from the spoon the Parkinson's disease-affected front seat passenger in the 105E Anglia is holding.

[caspernz]

No, it's the speed above which the egg falls from the spoon the Parkinson's disease-affected front seat passenger in the 105E Anglia is holding.

Strangely enough this seems plausible in some cases :clap:

[FJRider]

Strangely enough this seems plausible in some cases :clap:

Plausible ... ??? Hitcher would not lie ... :mellow:

[caspernz]

Plausible ... ??? Hitcher would not lie ... :mellow:

Well I thought it was an 82 Cortina but then I'm a bit younger :cool: than Hitcher...

[FJRider]

... but then I'm a bit younger :cool: than Hitcher...

I heard you DO lie .... Post a copy of your birth certificate to confirm please ... <_<

[Berries]

My understanding is that the corner speed is set according to the law that you must be able to stop within the visible lane ahead?

I could be wrong, I haven't looked that one up yet.
I'll save you the bother. The same curve through a cutting would get the same advisory speed if it was dead flat for miles and you could see forever through the corner. Google "Appendix A3 MOTSAM" if you can be arsed.

[russd7]

Rahu saddle road ? it's the only one I can think of :scratch:

There's only a handful of corners between Nelson and Chch that require slowing down.

used to be pea soup corner but that is long gone, only other corners to slow for are over the hope saddle on the nelson side.Nelson-Murch, one of my favourite roads in the dry but greasy as hell in the wet

[pritch]

I reckon for us :confused:older folk still riding head down arse up stuff a dispensation should be offered re the 100k limit,despite the fact that 100k is barely moving its fucking uncomfortable and therefore for the 50+ rider a limit of 140k....less fatigue etc would be a better option safety wise.

I like that plan. Yesteryear - or anyway long enough ago that the statute of limitations has expired:whistle: - the intent was usually to pack at least 2Ks into every minute. Some places have built up areas that make it more difficult, some places like the West Coast Highway make it easy, and a joy. (Weather permitting.)

[awa355]

I used to think those yellow advisory signs were set in the days when Joe Bloggs drove an A55 Cambridge, until I bought a 10' long cruiser.:blink:

[Swoop]

I always thought those corner speed advisory signs were indicating how many km/h could be added to the speed limit in place, so that you got the most effective cornering.

What was Skidmark's formula...? Double the posted corner suggestion and then add 10?

Seems logical apart from the Lower Island. Their corner signs are quite accurate.

[EJK]

What was Skidmark's formula...? Double the posted corner suggestion and then add 10?

Seems logical apart from the Lower Island. Their corner signs are quite accurate.

140kph knee down @ 55 marked corner :msn-wink:

[Gremlin]

Corner speed signs are advisory only ...


But ... you are required by law/ledglislation ...to be able to stop within half the clear distance of roadway ahead of you (on ANY roadway)
Not quite.

Half the clear distance of roadway ahead of you for a single lane road (ie, no centre line markings).

The clear distance of roadway ahead of you for a road with marked lanes.

[Banditbandit]

Why are we arguing about something that very few of us take any notice of anyway ???

[pritch]

The poll needed an option "irrelevant".

[FJRider]

Not quite.

Half the clear distance of roadway ahead of you for a single lane road (ie, no centre line markings).

The clear distance of roadway ahead of you for a road with marked lanes.

But as far as how the speed advisory limits are set ... the ledglislation you stated ... may actually require you to travel slower than the posted speed advisory sign suggests you should.


"Knowing the road" is good. But roads are only as good as the last time you traveled/remembered it ... sometimes not that good either.


Blind corners can be a lucky dip ... no doubt you've found blind corners with "issues" you could have done without ...

[Drew]

Does everyone know what a speed limit is? Do you have a licence?

If you answered yes to both, your personal feeling on said speed limits is completely fucken moot. You signed a contract stating you would obey the road rules.

That we don't, cannot be justified. At all. End of fucking story.

[CB ARGH]

Generally I prefer to stay above the posted speed limit (depending on the conditions), not exceeding the +10. Cruise at +5km/h.

If I'm behind somebody in a 50km/h zone doing 45km/h I'm pissed off, and I'm sure other motorists would be the same.

[Drew]

Generally I prefer to stay above the posted speed limit (depending on the conditions), not exceeding the +10. Cruise at +5km/h.

If I'm behind somebody in a 50km/h zone doing 45km/h I'm pissed off, and I'm sure other motorists would be the same.

Do the maths on how much time you can save between Wellington and Aukland IF you could raise your average speed by 10kph to 110 (and it's nearly impossible to do).

Over 6-7 hours, 20 minutes aren't that fucken important. Travelling to work, 30 seconds means people are self important morons.

[Bassmatt]

Do the maths on how much time you can save between Wellington and Aukland IF you could raise your average speed by 10kph to 110 (and it's nearly impossible to do).

Over 6-7 hours, 20 minutes aren't that fucken important. Travelling to work, 30 seconds means people are self important morons.
Um raising your average by 10% over 7 hours is 42 mins innit?
I'd take that time saving.

[Big Dog]

Um raising your average by 10% over 7 hours is 42 mins innit?
I'd take that time saving.
That's before you spend 22 minutes talking to the IRD man with the flashing lights.

Sent via tapatalk.

[Tazz]

Um raising your average by 10% over 7 hours is 42 mins innit?
I'd take that time saving.

Are you going around a big round about at 110 for 7 hours or something :laugh: There is no road in NZ you could actually average 110 by travelling at 110 for 7 hours (unless you blow through every town, light, intersection, corner at that exact speed..). You'd probably be doing squirts of up to 200 to maintain that average, so in reality when someone holds you up by 5 or 10kph, you really are only losing minutes, if that, in a long journey.
People who lose their shit about it need to harden the fuck up and stop throwing little tantys. Just pass when you can, and life goes on for everyone.

[pritch]

Um raising your average by 10% over 7 hours is 42 mins innit?
I'd take that time saving.

Yeah, that equates to some 80 ks, apart from which the ride is more fun.

[MarkH]

Corner speed signs are advisory only ...

I thought those 100kph signs were advisory only as well . . .
Shit, that explains what that policeman was saying, I thought he was asking for some money for their donut fund.

Just remember:
If the police didn't see it, I didn't do it! (I'm sure I've seen that on a sig somewhere . . . oh yeah, it's on mine)

[Gremlin]

Are you going around a big round about at 110 for 7 hours or something :laugh: There is no road in NZ you could actually average 110 by travelling at 110 for 7 hours (unless you blow through every town, light, intersection, corner at that exact speed..). You'd probably be doing squirts of up to 200 to maintain that average, so in reality when someone holds you up by 5 or 10kph, you really are only losing minutes, if that, in a long journey.
People who lose their shit about it need to harden the fuck up and stop throwing little tantys. Just pass when you can, and life goes on for everyone.
Actually... it depends. I know my moving average over 1600km+ once was 99kph... and there was no 200kph squirts (it's horribly fuel inefficient which means you have to stop more). Less than 1hr of stops over that period if you were wondering...

But yes... any overall average (including stops) above about 80kph is pretty damn hard to do for multiple hours :D

[FJRider]

I thought those 100kph signs were advisory only as well . . .


The word is optional ... :cool:


But ... some options have a down side .... ;)

[awa355]

Here's an example of sign stupidity. Mangatutu road today, Over a 6 kilometer stretch I passed seven 30kph signs. Between the sixth and seventh, a digger was parked off the road in a pull off area. Not one sign of any type of roadside works being done, no cones, no HiViz stuff, not even a person in sight.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/cats.jpg

Not a problem to me but geez! old nana (who's never broken a road rule in her life) would still be out there trying to get to the CWI meeting.

[Drew]

Um raising your average by 10% over 7 hours is 42 mins innit?
I'd take that time saving.

Sorry, I'd had a retype. Was meant to be 5% to accomodate the "like to travel at 105kph".

[FJRider]

Here's an example of sign stupidity.

Get pinged by Plod at any speed over 70 km/hron those roads shown ... and you're walking for 28 days.


Then you get to wait for the result of the court case ...

[FJRider]

Actually... it depends. I know my moving average over 1600km+ once was 99kph... and there was no 200kph squirts (it's horribly fuel inefficient which means you have to stop more). Less than 1hr of stops over that period if you were wondering...

But yes... any overall average (including stops) above about 80kph is pretty damn hard to do for multiple hours :D

PM Racing Dave in these forums ... he completed a few 1000 mile rallys (Chatto Creek 1000 mile) on "Borrowed" bikes ...

Start time mid day saturday ... finish around 14 hours later ... you do the sums ... :shutup:

[merv]

Does everyone know what a speed limit is? Do you have a licence?

If you answered yes to both, your personal feeling on said speed limits is completely fucken moot. You signed a contract stating you would obey the road rules.

That we don't, cannot be justified. At all. End of fucking story.

Drew is that really you or is someone playing on your login?

[Drew]

Drew is that really you or is someone playing on your login?

It's me. I've always the same thing.

[FJRider]

Do the maths on how much time you can save between Wellington and Aukland IF you could raise your average speed by 10kph to 110 (and it's nearly impossible to do).

Over 6-7 hours, 20 minutes aren't that fucken important. Travelling to work, 30 seconds means people are self important morons.

Instead of increasing speed ... reduce the amount of time you are stopped.


Easier (and cheaper) to do ...

[Drew]

Instead of increasing speed ... reduce the amount of time you are stopped.


Easier (and cheaper) to do ...

I was pointing out the futility of being the wanker who gets shitty about having to go 5kph slower than they want
I get fucked off with the piss poor state of kiwi drivers. Most of us cunts posting, can't drive or ride to fucken save ourselves. Yet here we are wanking on like we're awesome. Look at the roads mo'fuckers, maybe one in a hundred has a clue. There aren't that many people posting in this thread.

[pritch]

I was pointing out the futility of being the wanker who gets shitty about having to go 5kph slower than they want


If you are on a bike that should not happen very often, or for very long. Unless you wear very thick glasses? :whistle:

[FJRider]

I was pointing out the futility of being the wanker who gets shitty about having to go 5kph slower than they want


If they are on a motorcycle and cannot overtake a slow vehicle ... they should buy a (small) car.

At least THEN ... they'll have an excuse why they can't overtake that slow vehicle ...

[FJRider]

If you are on a bike that should not happen very often, or for very long. Unless you wear very thick glasses? :whistle:

Or ... the rider is thick ... :weird:

[Tazz]

I was pointing out the futility of being the wanker who gets shitty about having to go 5kph slower than they want
I get fucked off with the piss poor state of kiwi drivers. Most of us cunts posting, can't drive or ride to fucken save ourselves. Yet here we are wanking on like we're awesome. Look at the roads mo'fuckers, maybe one in a hundred has a clue. There aren't that many people posting in this thread.

Piss off. I'm sweet baby Jesus' gift to NZ motoring kind.

My sick overtaking and cornering maneuvers will simultaneously cure the yeast infection you gave your missus, and impregnate her.
Fact.
It even says so on my license, right next to the Weet-Bix branding.

[Banditbandit]

Does everyone know what a speed limit is?


I have no idea what the speed limit is on my 1250 .. I have had it to 245klicks (indicated) and it was still accelerating ...


Do you have a licence?

Usually - I have lost it a couple of times ...


If you answered yes to both, your personal feeling on said speed limits is completely fucken moot. You signed a contract stating you would obey the road rules.

That we don't, cannot be justified. At all. End of fucking story.

Yeah yeah ... I don't need a legal justification to ride faster than the legal limit ... I admit it - I bullshitted when I signed up to obey the rules ...

[Banditbandit]

Do the maths on how much time you can save between Wellington and Aukland IF you could raise your average speed by 10kph to 110 (and it's nearly impossible to do).

Over 6-7 hours, 20 minutes aren't that fucken important. Travelling to work, 30 seconds means people are self important morons.

I don't ride fast to save time - speed is just FUCKING FUN !!!!

[Dave-]

Yeah yeah ... I don't need a legal justification to ride faster than the legal limit ... I admit it - I bullshitted when I signed up to obey the rules ...

The ol' fingers crossed trick works quite well. They didn't even check when I signed up!

[Racing Dave]

PM Racing Dave in these forums ... he completed a few 1000 mile rallys (Chatto Creek 1000 mile) on "Borrowed" bikes ...

Start time mid day saturday ... finish around 14 hours later ... you do the sums ... :shutup:

Indeed - I was often in the right place at the right time, and Eric Wood Motorcycles (as it was in those days) were very generous with lending out demonstrators.

I did use my own (ST1100 and R1200GSA) bikes four times, but also had the pleasure of riding Aprilia CapoNord and Futura (both under-rated by many, but both superb), BMW K1200GT and K1200S (the latter on which I may have finished in the alleged time of 13 3/4 hrs), Moto Guzzi California and V11, Honda Varadero, and Harley Davidson.

There are two theories that I have on the pace - one is that you ride along at 'normal' touring speed, taking breaks as necessary to reduce fatigue, and the other is to go like hell, and thus finish before you get tired. Both have their merits, and both work.

[98tls]

Rahu saddle road ? it's the only one I can think of :scratch:

There's only a handful of corners between Nelson and Chch that require slowing down.

Stayed in Reefton the night then somewhere between there n the Junction it was,we were taking the long way to the Greta valley rally from Oamaru years back,mrs was on the back of the TL complete with pack..had to hit the pics so hard she almost got to the corner before me:sweatdrop

[J.A.W.]

Def' a +ve ride-safe policy to try & always be moving faster than the cages.. IMO..

My ancient/longstanding corner advisory speed was..
A, for touring ease, mentally convert from Km/h to mph..

&,

B, for "getting along little doggy" ( a bit, but not getting stupid or causing compulsory cell phone calls to the cops) double it..

& , if you are low on demerits, do the maths per likelihood of a successful evasion of an unpleasant interview with the pigglies..
- with a decent bike, that's always an option, as y'know..

[Drew]

Def' a +ve ride-safe policy to try & always be moving faster than the cages.. IMO..

My ancient/longstanding corner advisory speed was..
A, for touring ease, mentally convert from Km/h to mph..

&,

B, for "getting along little doggy" ( a bit, but not getting stupid or causing compulsory cell phone calls to the cops) double it..

& , if you are low on demerits, do the maths per likelihood of a successful evasion of an unpleasant interview with the pigglies..
- with a decent bike, that's always an option, as y'know..

You're my hero.

[caspernz]

Def' a +ve ride-safe policy to try & always be moving faster than the cages.. IMO..

My ancient/longstanding corner advisory speed was..
A, for touring ease, mentally convert from Km/h to mph..

&,

B, for "getting along little doggy" ( a bit, but not getting stupid or causing compulsory cell phone calls to the cops) double it..

& , if you are low on demerits, do the maths per likelihood of a successful evasion of an unpleasant interview with the pigglies..
- with a decent bike, that's always an option, as y'know..

This might classify as "flying under the radar" whilst in plain sight.
As for doing a runner, that might require the added discipline of never running the tank down to the low fuel light huh?

[J.A.W.]

As for doing a runner, that might require the added discipline of never running the tank down to the low fuel light huh?

Naturally.. that must be taken as read - as one of the needful prerequisites, calculation-wise..

A bit like the blu-tac/white-board rego plate ah, misrepresentation, knowing bike-only off-track routes,
& if going for a fang, not being alone, if possible - so as to increase avoidance of unscheduled stops..

[FJRider]

Def' a +ve ride-safe policy to try & always be moving faster than the cages.. IMO..



Most Highway patrol in NZ (or anywhere) like to see traffic flowing smoothly. Even if the traffic is flowing faster than the speed limit requires.


Going faster than the flow of traffic WILL attract the attention of plod ... faster than anything else. It will easily be noticed ... even with the Hawk turned off ...

[J.A.W.]

Sure, that's why I reckoned a subtle, if meaningfully forceful-intent approach, was probably best..

Types of bike riders less likely to be victims are those whom cagers notice, & fear, a bit.. IMO..

[FJRider]

Sure, that's why I reckoned a subtle, if meaningfully forceful-intent approach, was probably best..

Types of bike riders less likely to be victims are those whom cagers notice, & fear, a bit.. IMO..

Those cagers also notice your rego and with their (always handy) cell phone ... alert plod to your "activities" .. (if plod was not the one you passed)

[J.A.W.]

Those cagers also notice your rego and with their (always handy) cell phone ... alert plod to your "activities" .. (if plod was not the one you passed)

Yeah, are you one of those 20-20 vision dobbers/plods, or just a wannabe?

(& that's why I included the bogus rego plate routine..)

Addit: & we do know how to spot the plainclothed hi-way patrol bastards, right?

[FJRider]

Yeah, are you one of those 20-20 vision dobbers/plods, or just a wannabe?

(& that's why I included the bogus rego plate routine..)

Addit: & we do know how to spot the plainclothed hi-way patrol bastards, right?

I prefer to ride at higher speeds where the traffic isn't ... safer all round really ... but aussies are probably too thick to realise that ..

[J.A.W.]

Buzzkill sez what? L.O.L...