MNZ new drug and alcohol rule

[scott411]

From http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/rules/2015-summary-of-ratified-rules-for-website78e3fb456e51694ab575ff0000938921.pdf?sfvrsn =2



6.20 Alcohol and Drugs
6.20.1 MNZ has a zero tolerance regarding the use of drugs and alcohol in sport.
6.20.2 The taking of, or suffering from the effects of drugs or alcohol by any competitor, official or
crew at a race meeting is strictly forbidden under MNZ rules.
6.20.3 Where there is a suspicion of a Member and/or participant attending or taking part in a
competition while under the influence of alcohol or drugs, Stewards in consultation with the
Clerk of the Course, may prohibit the Member and/or participant from attending or taking
part in the competition.

very board swipe taken here, when only a suspicion is needed to ban you from a competition,

now not to sure what the answer is here, as needing a test may be going to far as having every steward at every meeting having a testing kit is really not possible,

[nodrog]

But what if you appeal their decision?

[Shaun Harris]

b) Any official, competitor, competitor’s team or crew can be subject to an MNZ
approved tests.

f) Any subsequent “not negative” test recorded in the same licence period i.e.; 1st
July to 30th June will result in that members licence or warrant being suspended
for 3 months. Any further not negative results will result in their MNZ
Competition Licence or MNZ officials Warrant been cancelled.


Suspision is NOT good enough nor acceptable in my opinion! There are way too many POLITICS going on in the sport, where a word of mouth from someone, ( Ie the old boys club from up in AUCKLAND or one lost sole in the sth will cause huge suspisions on others. I have told many of them what I think of them as people, Guess who will be hassled and stood down where ever they go and try to race, meaning that rider is going to LOOSE a SHIT ton of money driving to say Invercargill, for some wanker to cast suspision with his mate, to get a rider stood down, this just is NOT sport NOR fair on any MNZ license holder full stop. This WILL leed to court cases, meaning riders money being WASTED which will then leed to the media when a rider wins there appeal or what ever, which will bring our sport into disrepute big time! So who gets the sack or stood down when all this happens.

Team crew also, Eh What? So it is ok for a team crew member to build a bike that is Not within the rules, but this person cannot have a drink or 20 the night before they go and do there bit of work for the rider. Maybe they are thinking that the crew member could cause danger for others by being hung over still?

3 Months ONLY for a "Non Negative" again eh what? So a cheat may get 12 months, YET is causing NO SAFETY risk to anyone, yet a Drug user or piss head only gets a 3 month stand down.

So, are they also going to introduce a ban on crew members and engine builders and suspension people that build NON SPEC stuff?

Nah, it is just the PC world takin over again.

What happens when some one says they are very suspicious of say, a Clerk of the course at certain meetings, or flag marshalls at certain meetings? come on team, think before you act like this< haha, that is funny coming from me, I know. I now have to pass a full medical and mental test again before MNZ will re issue me with a license. They told me after my 12 month stand down was completed, so really, they have stood me down for more than the original ban, which was issued to a NON LICENSE holder, quite unique how the office works these days.

I know this post will end up at the MNZ office as ALL of mine do these days, strange that. Haha, I am already under this SUSPISION clowd, as I have now been told after my 12 month ban finished, that MNZ now want a full medical doing on me again, if it was just for the safety of the other competitors, I would not care at all really, but I am Confident that a little man has told a lot of CRAP stories about me once again, causing the office reaction, PS, I have passed ever alchol and drug test ever done at the race track or work place.

[nodrog]

b) Any official, competitor, competitor’s team or crew can be subject to an MNZ
approved tests.

f) Any subsequent “not negative” test recorded in the same licence period i.e.; 1st
July to 30th June will result in that members licence or warrant being suspended
for 3 months. Any further not negative results will result in their MNZ
Competition Licence or MNZ officials Warrant been cancelled.


Suspision is NOT good enough nor acceptable in my opinion! There are way too many POLITICS going on in the sport, where a word of mouth from someone, ( Ie the old boys club from up in AUCKLAND or one lost sole in the sth will cause huge suspisions on others. I have told many of them what I think of them as people, Guess who will be hassled and stood down where ever they go and try to race, meaning that rider is going to LOOSE a SHIT ton of money driving to say Invercargill, for some wanker to cast suspision with his mate, to get a rider stood down, this just is NOT sport NOR fair on any MNZ license holder full stop. This WILL leed to court cases, meaning riders money being WASTED which will then leed to the media when a rider wins there appeal or what ever, which will bring our sport into disrepute big time! So who gets the sack or stood down when all this happens.

Team crew also, Eh What? So it is ok for a team crew member to build a bike that is Not within the rules, but this person cannot have a drink or 20 the night before they go and do there bit of work for the rider. Maybe they are thinking that the crew member could cause danger for others by being hung over still?

3 Months ONLY for a "Non Negative" again eh what? So a cheat may get 12 months, YET is causing NO SAFETY risk to anyone, yet a Drug user or piss head only gets a 3 month stand down.

So, are they also going to introduce a ban on crew members and engine builders and suspension people that build NON SPEC stuff?

Nah, it is just the PC world takin over again.

What happens when some one says they are very suspicious of say, VICKY at the office for drug usage, does she get a stand down? Or a Clerk of the course at certain meetings, or flag marshalls at certain meetings, or JIM TUCKERMAN for being pissed as he usually is and was, come on team, think before you act like this< haha, that is funny coming from me, I know. I now have to pass a full medical and mental test again before MNZ will re issue me with a license. They told me after my 12 month stand down was completed, so really, they have stood me down for more than the original ban, which was issued to a NON LICENSE holder, quite unique how the office works these days.

I know this post will end up at the MNZ office as ALL of mine do these days, strange that. Haha, I am already under this SUSPISION clowd, as I have now been told after my 12 month ban finished, that MNZ now want a full medical doing on me again, if it was just for the safety of the other competitors, I would not care at all really, but I am Confident that a little man has told a lot of CRAP stories about me once again, causing the office reaction, PS, I have passed ever alchol and drug test ever done at the race track or work place.

are you off the milo again?

[Grumph]

But what if you appeal their decision?

Come equipped with a lawyer...Appeal, give sample if requested, continue racing till the result is back...

I can see a lawyer being a standard piece of kit on the team.
First person or team to secure sponsorship from a law firm, gets a chocy fish....
First person or team to protest MNZ Steward or CoC under this clause also gets chocy fish...

[nzspokes]

From http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-source/rules/2015-summary-of-ratified-rules-for-website78e3fb456e51694ab575ff0000938921.pdf?sfvrsn =2




very board swipe taken here, when only a suspicion is needed to ban you from a competition,

now not to sure what the answer is here, as needing a test may be going to far as having every steward at every meeting having a testing kit is really not possible,

They are getting ready for the new H&S regs then.

[nodrog]

Come equipped with a lawyer...Appeal, give sample if requested, continue racing till the result is back......

You don't even need a Lawyer if you follow the correct process do you?

[Shaun Harris]

30 minutes of BASIC RESEARCH STOPS all this SHIT asap

surestep drug and alchjol test kits- GOOGLE is ya friend.

I propose that ALL CLUBS put in the SUB REGS that ALL RIDERS must bring a sample test kit to each round if put under SUSPISION by some jelous coward or the OLD BOYS club!!!!!!!

This makes it FAIR and for the GOOD of the sport!

[sidecar bob]

The last place left where you could ride a bike pissed & they've gone & ruined it for everyone with their silly rules.

[Shaun Harris]

The last place left where you could ride a bike pissed & they've gone & ruined it for everyone with their silly rules.



Now that is funny Bob

[Grumph]

You don't even need a Lawyer if you follow the correct process do you?

My contention is that you need a lawyer to hold any MNZ official to the correct process...

Your comment, while probably tongue in cheek, smacks of "I don't need a lawyer if I'm innocent" which is simply naive.

[jellywrestler]

b)
Suspision

sole

leed

takin

I now have to pass a full medical and mental test again before MNZ will re issue me with a license.

clowd,

alchol

lucky you don't have to pass a spelling test too eh?

[sidecar bob]

b) This WILL leed to court cases, meaning riders money being WASTED.

It could also lead (yes it's fucking lead, leed is lemonade ffs) to people turning their back on racing altogether & spending their disposable income/leisure dollar on a million & one options that don't include motorcycle racing.
Which could include anything from scuba diving, flying planes/ gliders, adventure riding, kayaking, water skiing, world travel, pottery, macrame, buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit. The list is virtually endless.
The powers that be need to realise that racing is not the whole world to a lot of people that are nearing the end of their tether with the whole carry on.

[Shaun Harris]

weight, NO wait, I will try to improve my spelling one day sorry guys LOL

And agree with you Bob, the politics of it all, are way way to much of a hassle for people to enjoy much of it these days.

I just want to race again for fun, as I will be as slow as fuck now, and prob quite scared of injuring myself again, but FUK spending a shit load of money on building a bike, then have some cock suckers create a cloud of suspision, to be sent home from Invercargill. What is the point even in trying to help young riders, when you are basically playing a GABLING game.

[sidecar bob]

What is the point even in trying to help young riders, when you are basically playing a GABLING game.

The ex & I built quite a flash house back in about '99, the builder said that having a complex roof would add to the price considerably, but we stuck to the plan & did quite well off it when we sold it. It was a GABLING game.

[ellipsis]

...I think that fuck all will change regards racing...can we ask that the officials be tested prior to undertaking such an important thing as 'making things safe', for members, and the ambo girls and boys too, and the flaggies too, please...can we in return question the form of club officials who have less far knowledge and experience than opinion...etc...nothing will change...clubs are not that silly, are they?...

[Shaun Harris]

The ex & I built quite a flash house back in about '99, the builder said that having a complex roof would add to the price considerably, but we stuck to the plan & did quite well off it when we sold it. It was a GABLING game.


See ya point but, what if the team owner was put under suspision and sent home, that then means the young rider looses out also does it not?

[sidecar bob]

See ya point but
Yeah nah, not sure you do exactly.:facepalm:

[nodrog]

My contention is that you need a lawyer to hold any MNZ official to the correct process...

And some cash


...A person wishing to Appeal must file a Notice of Appeal and filing fee of $750 with the MNZ Office....

[nodrog]

See ya point but, what if the team owner was put under suspision and sent home, that then means the young rider looses out also does it not?

Its OK Shaun, I'll still ride it after you get sent on your way.

[Drew]

Why the fuck are you posting Shaun? You aren't even a racer anymore.

Wording of that rule is shithouse. That I can be excluded on suspision of being on drugs is absolute bulshit, and is completely at odds with the justice system.

[nodrog]

.... That I can be excluded on suspision of being on drugs is absolute bulshit, ....

Fuck I reckon, if anybody should be sent home it should be Al. He's got to be on drugs being your passenger.

[GD66]

I fucked it up, in a Stewards seminar I asked the presenter re drug and alcohol testing if I needed to turn up with my own wine glass....


I understand it a bit better now. At a West Australian Council meeting it turned out you can withdraw an offender from competition for the day but as MA aren't WADA or the Aussie equivalent ASADA, they cannot impose the two years ban from competition. However a competitor must provide a clear test result taken 48 hours before their next event, tested at their own cost, to compete.
So you could still test yourself Friday, get a clear result, go out and cane the piss and the gear on Saturday night and roll up for a ride Sunday.

Idiots.

[jellywrestler]

Why the fuck are you posting Shaun? You aren't even a racer anymore.

Wording of that rule is shithouse. That I can be excluded on suspision of being on drugs is absolute bulshit, and is completely at odds with the justice system.

you need spell check too....
hey shoved some shit up ya exhaust today, that enough?

[Drew]

Fuck I reckon, if anybody should be sent home it should be Al. He's got to be on drugs being your passenger.
My front hub isn't gonna fall apart though.

[nodrog]

My front hub isn't gonna fall apart though.

mine wont either, on the shelf.

[Grumph]

Why the fuck are you posting Shaun? You aren't even a racer anymore.

Wording of that rule is shithouse. That I can be excluded on suspision of being on drugs is absolute bulshit, and is completely at odds with the justice system.

I'm not a racer anymore either - but I've still got a few customers who are. If then, I turn up to a meeting to assist them, while on drugs for one or more medical conditions, which if I were riding would be a no-no....My customer is liable to disqualification.
This situation is real, I seriously doubt if I'd be able to get a comp license now due to health issues. This doesn't stop me helping people though...But am i now putting them at risk?

As you say, bullshit situation. Just one more reason to pull back from involvement.

[Shaun Harris]

It just needs the clubs to introduce what I suggested earlier in this thread re sub regs, where ALL riders have to bring a test kit, which can be purchased from most chemists according to Google today after I read this thread.


Hope you are having a lovely day Drew, and leave ya drugs at home when ya go racing next time man, NOT your anti depressent ones though, you may turn into a wanker or some thing with out them Bro.

[Shaun Harris]

Why the fuck are you posting Shaun? You aren't even a racer anymore.

Wording of that rule is shithouse. That I can be excluded on suspision of being on drugs is absolute bulshit, and is completely at odds with the justice system.



Deleted Post, as it is simply not worth communicating/arguing with you on the Internet, it once was funny, but now just very boring. Have a lovely night.

[Madness]

Which could include anything from scuba diving, flying planes/ gliders, adventure riding, kayaking, water skiing, world travel, pottery, macrame, buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.

DB, is that really you?

[jellywrestler]

I'm not a racer anymore either - but I've still got a few customers who are. If then, I turn up to a meeting to assist them, while on drugs for one or more medical conditions, which if I were riding would be a no-no....My customer is liable to disqualification.
This situation is real, I seriously doubt if I'd be able to get a comp license now due to health issues. This doesn't stop me helping people though...But am i now putting them at risk?

As you say, bullshit situation. Just one more reason to pull back from involvement.

didn't realise it included viagra.

[ellipsis]

...couldn't we all just just piss in a styrofoam cup, send it to Huntly by wednesday , they could blend it all, take an average reading of whatever it is they wish to find and then decide whether there will be any racing in the country on the following weekend...that sounds fair and democratic...the office piss would be a separate affair as we would only be checking for signs of life...

[Shaun Harris]

Shit, I wonder what they are going to do when a PAYING SPECTATOR is spotted drinking a beer and having a laugh with his mates. WTF wrote these rules

[jellywrestler]

...couldn't we all just just piss in a styrofoam cup, send it to Huntly by wednesday , they could blend it all, take an average reading of whatever it is they wish to find and then decide whether there will be any racing in the country on the following weekend...that sounds fair and democratic...the office piss would be a separate affair as we would only be checking for signs of life...

good move, is that one cup per rider, class or team?
maybe for this team it could be Two Girls one Cup?

[ellipsis]

good move, is that one cup per rider, class or team?
maybe for this team it could be Two Girls one Cup?


...that point should be left up to someone who has no interest or contact with the sport...they could decide in a National Poll for the Uninterested, what amount of piss should be taken and from who, and delivered to the office by no later than midnight of the prior Tuesday...cannot get more fair than that...

[Drew]

I'm not a racer anymore either - but I've still got a few customers who are. If then, I turn up to a meeting to assist them, while on drugs for one or more medical conditions, which if I were riding would be a no-no....My customer is liable to disqualification.
This situation is real, I seriously doubt if I'd be able to get a comp license now due to health issues. This doesn't stop me helping people though...But am i now putting them at risk?

As you say, bullshit situation. Just one more reason to pull back from involvement.

Doesn't really matter if anyone is a racer or not. I just like digging at the little cheat, and find it ironic that he posts about fairness after having admitted to it.

This rule is another good example of a good idea being taken too far, then worded so piss poorly as to be completely moot.

There is an example of someone dying who had drugs in his system that MAY have contributed to his accident. Followed by quite an outcry for public safety. I believe this rule is a reaction to those events, and is probably the result of too many people all wanting to put their two cents in. All in some twisted self gratification of "doing good".

I dunno, I really just wanna get on our sidecar and race. But given that I'm an hyperactive arsehole, there's every chance some track official could think I'm peaking. With this rule, it's. "Fuck off you. Take it up with the authorities if ya don't like it".

If someone hanging out with us is suspected and we got sent home, I'd probably get arrested for my reaction.

[mossy1200]

If one competitor or anyone linked to that person who falsely accuses another competitor get the 3 month ban instead?

[Shaun Harris]

This is the biggest can of worms that I have seen ever racing in the countries I have raced in around the world. ( Sorry Drew, it was all for free also) . It is going to end up with Legal court battles, costing all the MNZ license holders money, that OWN MNZ by the way.

[scott411]

it will be interesting to see who gets this tried on first,

Shaun, your idea about taking your own test is not great IMO, try using that one when you get pulled over by the cops,

but Stewards taking test kits for who they suspect is a better idea,

[sidecar bob]

...that point should be left up to someone who has no interest or contact with the sport...they could decide in a National Poll for the Uninterested, what amount of piss should be taken and from who.

A vote should be taken at riders briefing to decide who should have the piss taken out of them on any given race day. MNZ should then be required to take the piss at that point without delay.

[Grumph]

A vote should be taken at riders briefing to decide who should have the piss taken out of them on any given race day. MNZ should then be required to take the piss at that point without delay.

Put that in as a remit....PLEASE.

[Shaun Harris]

it will be interesting to see who gets this tried on first,

Shaun, your idea about taking your own test is not great IMO, try using that one when you get pulled over by the cops,

but Stewards taking test kits for who they suspect is a better idea,


Scott, could you elaberate as to why NOT re my idea of a test kit. They are purchases at a chemist and in a sealed container, so are 100% legit! This idea is the only one so far amongst all these intelligent racers in this thread that will keep the sport FAIR for all involved. The current new rules are just a tool for powers that be to victimise people. Again, " The old boys club" leeps out at me

[Drew]

Scott, could you elaberate as to why NOT re my idea of a test kit. They are purchases at a chemist and in a sealed container, so are 100% legit! This idea is the only one so far amongst all these intelligent racers in this thread that will keep the sport FAIR for all involved. The current new rules are just a tool for powers that be to victimise people. Again, " The old boys club" leeps out at me

Because how do the officials know it hasn't been tampered with you thick cunt? The test samples have to be taken by certified testers and with their gear, for any results to be legitimate. Trying to be prepared by offering a sample in a cup is pointless.

[Voltaire]

They have portable test kits, Just need to have the Steward do it after sign on and helmet check.
http://www.drugcheck.com/_images/ac_01-header.jpg

To say suspicion is good enough is like the cop saying you were speeding or over the limit with no testing....bit 1980's

[scott411]

Scott, could you elaberate as to why NOT re my idea of a test kit. They are purchases at a chemist and in a sealed container, so are 100% legit! This idea is the only one so far amongst all these intelligent racers in this thread that will keep the sport FAIR for all involved. The current new rules are just a tool for powers that be to victimise people. Again, " The old boys club" leeps out at me

just because it is sealed, does not mean it is up to spec or has not been resealed, as i said, can you take your own breathalyser to a cop shop to prove your innocence, I am with you that the current wording is not right, and the suspicion of something should not be enough to ban someone for a day without some argument, I believe that at least at street races, their should be some kind of random testing,

the fact is, someone died at a race with illegal drugs in their system, and the police and coroner will take a very dim view of the organisers if this happens again,

When i raced speedway i got random drug and alcohol tested once, it was a work place type testing van that turned up, and a number of us got randomly drawn, this happened a few times a season, i dont think anyone would have an issue if something like this turned up at street race,


again this shows why i think that Road and off road are not well served being in the same organisation at times, a lot of these issues happen at road racing where the high speed (or more so the high speed stopping) causes deaths, , and brings in more compliance for dirt bike events, which have a much lower risk factor for deaths,

[scrivy]

A vote should be taken at riders briefing to decide who should have the piss taken out of them on any given race day. MNZ should then be required to take the piss at that point without delay.

Does it have to be a piss test??
How about spoof? We could all stand around and spank our monkeys onto a soggy biscuit. But this time the loser won't eat it, rather just have to submit it to MNZ...
BUT..... woman racers could feel left out, so mandatory rooting the night before will ensure that they have some 'residue' of evidence able to be submitted also......

[scrivy]

...I think that fuck all will change regards racing...can we ask that the officials be tested prior to undertaking such an important thing as 'making things safe', for members, and the ambo girls and boys too, and the flaggies too, please...can we in return question the form of club officials who have less far knowledge and experience than opinion...etc...nothing will change...clubs are not that silly, are they?...

Actually, when I crashed at Wangas back in '91, after I got out of hospital we went to the corner to visit the crash site. Low and behold, 2 of the marshalls there were stoned off their faces!!
True story.
So, what if they hadn't put out flags for approaching machines and had caused more accidents.... will they too get tested..... stands to reason if this new rule is for safety...

[Shaun Harris]

They have portable test kits, Just need to have the Steward do it after sign on and helmet check.
http://www.drugcheck.com/_images/ac_01-header.jpg

To say suspicion is good enough is like the cop saying you were speeding or over the limit with no testing....bit 1980's



BINGO! Each club has it's own kits there to do RANDOM testing! this STOPS the old boys network being the wankers that they are on there power trips using all the license holders money to satisfy there dull little lives

[Shaun Harris]

just because it is sealed, does not mean it is up to spec or has not been resealed, as i said, can you take your own breathalyser to a cop shop to prove your innocence, I am with you that the current wording is not right, and the suspicion of something should not be enough to ban someone for a day without some argument, I believe that at least at street races, their should be some kind of random testing,

the fact is, someone died at a race with illegal drugs in their system, and the police and coroner will take a very dim view of the organisers if this happens again,

When i raced speedway i got random drug and alcohol tested once, it was a work place type testing van that turned up, and a number of us got randomly drawn, this happened a few times a season, i dont think anyone would have an issue if something like this turned up at street race,


again this shows why i think that Road and off road are not well served being in the same organisation at times, a lot of these issues happen at road racing where the high speed (or more so the high speed stopping) causes deaths, , and brings in more compliance for dirt bike events, which have a much lower risk factor for deaths,



I 100% AGREE to massive random testing at the street races Scott. That is the place a spectator could get killed also due to it. And that would be very sad for the family and our sport, it would KILL it forever in our PC country'

[Shaun Harris]

Actually, when I crashed at Wangas back in '91, after I got out of hospital we went to the corner to visit the crash site. Low and behold, 2 of the marshalls there were stoned off their faces!!
True story.
So, what if they hadn't put out flags for approaching machines and had caused more accidents.... will they too get tested..... stands to reason if this new rule is for safety...


Yep, and officials and on it goes

[scrivy]

Yep, and officials and on it goes

Officials? You mean like JT when he used to walk through the pits always pissed? :yes::shit:

[Shaun Harris]

Officials? You mean like JT when he used to walk through the pits always pissed? :yes::shit:



YES! exactually what I mean. Not safe to make any decisions, let alone drive to the track in the first place

[sidecar bob]

Actually, when I crashed at Wangas back in '91, after I got out of hospital we went to the corner to visit the crash site. Low and behold, 2 of the marshalls there were stoned off their faces!!
True story.
So, what if they hadn't put out flags for approaching machines and had caused more accidents.... will they too get tested..... stands to reason if this new rule is for safety...

I well remember that. The stoned little gnome flag Marshall at the entry of the Esses couldn't even remember the crash, that happened two hours earlier that involved three sidecars, one going upside down & one carrying on up the track riderless on half throttle.
That's pretty bloody stoned.

[nzspokes]

I well remember that. The stoned little gnome flag Marshall at the entry of the Esses couldn't even remember the crash, that happened two hours earlier that involved three sidecars, one going upside down & one carrying on up the track riderless on half throttle.
That's pretty bloody stoned.

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy. :yawn:

[ellipsis]

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy. :yawn:


...which is why the CAMS flaggies are looked after, recognised by the club as amongst the most important people in our club and are treated that way...they are fed well and not reimbursed near enough as much as what they are worth but it must be ok as they always turn up smiling and tell us exactly what they think...they also jot down in their little notebooks any observations they have during the day...one of them smokes cigarettes...bad for his health, they say...

[Voltaire]

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy. :yawn:

$50 worth of Repco vouchers and a free lunch, my mate was rung up to see if he was racing at Taupo....well .....to see if his daughter was going to Marshall.....;)

[sidecar bob]

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy. :yawn:

Probably not, but if people want to use dumbsmoke they should probably do it where the safety of others isn't compromised.

[sidecar bob]

...which is why the CAMS flaggies are looked after, recognised by the club as amongst the most important people in our club and are treated that way...they are fed well and not reimbursed near enough as much as what they are worth but it must be ok as they always turn up smiling and tell us exactly what they think...they also jot down in their little notebooks any observations they have during the day...one of them smokes cigarettes...bad for his health, they say...

They have also been known to show the red flag to just a couple of competitors during the early stages of a very important national race & then deny it until go pro footage proved otherwise.:facepalm:

[scrivy]

They have also been known to be entirely believed over competitors in sports tribunals too......

[jellywrestler]

onto a soggy biscuit.

why start on a soggy one, is that a taupo thing?

[jellywrestler]

Well to be fair its not the most exciting job in the world being a flaggy. :yawn:

maybe be not but without them there would be no racing, hat's off to those who do it.

[Shaun Harris]

Probably not, but if people want to use dumbsmoke they should probably do it where the safety of others isn't compromised.



Time and a place for every thing in life

[ellipsis]

...you have the wrong flaggies in mind obviously...the CAMS flaggies dont do Nationals or anything other than our stuff, that's why they are the CAMS' flaggies...


http://www.cams-racing.org.nz/

[scrivy]

why start on a soggy one, is that a taupo thing?
Wet from the beer...[emoji48]

Damn phone....

[nodrog]

here is a link to the official MNZ guidelines which are handed out to all Stewards so they can establish what drugs a competitor may be on -

http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/September-03-2012-17-14-01-s2kcoys.jpg

[jellywrestler]

here is a link to the official MNZ guidelines which are handed out to all Stewards so they can establish what drugs a competitor may be on -

http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/September-03-2012-17-14-01-s2kcoys.jpg

i guess spongebob won't be racing sidecars in the near future then...

[sidecar bob]

Time and a place for every thing in life

I personally have no time or place at all for drugs in my life. But each to their own.

[nzspokes]

maybe be not but without them there would be no racing, hat's off to those who do it.

Wouldnt hurt if somebody built them some shelters at the points. And even a chair.

Kinda rough to expect somebody to sit in a field with no weather protection so others can play.

[jellywrestler]

Wouldnt hurt if somebody built them some shelters at the points. And even a chair.

Kinda rough to expect somebody to sit in a field with no weather protection so others can play.

the majority of tracks have shelters....

[Drew]

Wouldnt hurt if somebody built them some shelters at the points. And even a chair.

Kinda rough to expect somebody to sit in a field with no weather protection so others can play.

Naaaah. Fuck 'em.

[nzspokes]

the majority of tracks have shelters....

Hampton doesn't.

[jellywrestler]

Hampton doesn't.

there's more to the world than auckland.....

[nzspokes]

there's more to the world than auckland.....

True, Ive not been to see what Pukekohe has for years.

[jellywrestler]

True, Ive not been to see what Pukekohe has for years.

to be fair some of the flaggies spots are different at bike and car meetings due to run off requirements, what's good for one may be dangerous for the others it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
I've enjoyed flagging when i've done it, yes there are other jobs that have more variety but they still need to be done. i was on crash crew for a season and was bored shitless, you couldn't go anywhere and soemtimes never had a pick up all day.
I started track days in nz and i was lucky enough to have surplus marshalls which i moved around during the day. it can be a tedious job but an essential one so i made it with a bit of variety for my team. what's going to happen at hampton downs when they extend the track, same number of riders spread further so less action and 50% or more track marshalls will be needed.....

[Kickaha]

i was on crash crew for a season and was bored shitless, you couldn't go anywhere and soemtimes never had a pick up all day.
I did that a couple of meetings ago at Levels, one pickup for the day and standing by the recovery vehilce for most of the time, I also helped with grids at the same meeting which broke it up a bit

[Shaun Harris]

to be fair some of the flaggies spots are different at bike and car meetings due to run off requirements, what's good for one may be dangerous for the others it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
I've enjoyed flagging when i've done it, yes there are other jobs that have more variety but they still need to be done. i was on crash crew for a season and was bored shitless, you couldn't go anywhere and soemtimes never had a pick up all day.
I started track days in nz and i was lucky enough to have surplus marshalls which i moved around during the day. it can be a tedious job but an essential one so i made it with a bit of variety for my team. what's going to happen at hampton downs when they extend the track, same number of riders spread further so less action and 50% or more track marshalls will be needed.....

And it will possibly get even more DULL for the crash pick up crew, as half the field will not be racing due to being UNDER SUSPISION of using some thing, well sidecars and classics and pre what ever era

[nzspokes]

to be fair some of the flaggies spots are different at bike and car meetings due to run off requirements, what's good for one may be dangerous for the others it is a bit of a pain in the arse.
I've enjoyed flagging when i've done it, yes there are other jobs that have more variety but they still need to be done. i was on crash crew for a season and was bored shitless, you couldn't go anywhere and soemtimes never had a pick up all day.
I started track days in nz and i was lucky enough to have surplus marshalls which i moved around during the day. it can be a tedious job but an essential one so i made it with a bit of variety for my team. what's going to happen at hampton downs when they extend the track, same number of riders spread further so less action and 50% or more track marshalls will be needed.....

I did it for a few years for cars at events like the Nissan Mobil 500 etc. At least in those there was some action. Our point got hit a few times by the HQ guys trying to fit 4 cars in a hole that was for 3....

Hampton for there own days seem to employ some locals which seems like a good idea. For normal track days I think some decent shelters would be a great thing. And maybe some of the riders can pop over after the event and thank them.

[Shaun Harris]

Is this Ruling even Legal in this country? Great way to scare away future riders. Why would mum and dad support there sons or daughters racing, if Suspision only was going to have them sent home. The Medics at the track could have some test kits with them! And please do not suggest that the medics may tamper with the test kits. There has to be a way of getting this as a sensible fair rule. I 100% agree with the being free of all products from a riders system, but it is a knee jerk reaction over a well known users unfortunate incident and really only a PC move. There must be a Lawyer in the racing scene that could awnser the question?

[swarfie]

[QUOTE=sidecar bob;1130891459] buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.
QUOTE]

:innocent: Oh the irony... someone we know? :wait::killingme:killingme

[nodrog]

Just sniff petrol, problem solved.

[Shaun Harris]

Legal Fact!


"Any private organisation can impose rules about the use of drugs and alcohol. This
is the same as in the area of employment contracts, where there"


So to protect and potential Dirty Back door actions for the good of the sport, I propose that MEDICAL crew at the race tracks need to carry TEST kits with them. This is the only way to STOP any silly actions potentially by some. As I am NOT an MNZ member still, is any one on here prepared to take my suggestion re medical people having test kits to the appropriate people involved in the rulings?

This IS actually For the GOOD of all involved currently, and for the GOOD of the future Racers in New Zealand.

[old rig]

[QUOTE=sidecar bob;1130891459] buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.
QUOTE]

:innocent: Oh the irony... someone we know? :wait::killingme:killingme

Flying! !!!!!!! anybody this weekend

Sent from my XT535 using Tapatalk 2

[Grumph]

Legal Fact!


"Any private organisation can impose rules about the use of drugs and alcohol. This
is the same as in the area of employment contracts, where there"


So to protect and potential Dirty Back door actions for the good of the sport, I propose that MEDICAL crew at the race tracks need to carry TEST kits with them. This is the only way to STOP any silly actions potentially by some. As I am NOT an MNZ member still, is any one on here prepared to take my suggestion re medical people having test kits to the appropriate people involved in the rulings?

This IS actually For the GOOD of all involved currently, and for the GOOD of the future Racers in New Zealand.

While I agree that it's not workable as is...Don't for christs sake ask St John or any other VOLOUNTARY organisation to get involved. We all know people who would sue - and that would mean losing the goodwill of those we rely on.
Never mind saying it's for the good of the sport, losing the present good relationship with the volounteer medics and first aiders would be a disaster.
The only way to do it right IMO is to get the drug testing pros in at random meetings and do it as totally random testing - including those the rider nominates as crew.

Has anyone approached MNZ and asked how they propose it will be done ? Or are "operational matters" still being left to the relevant commissioner's discretion ? Starting to look like the usual disconnect between what the board wants put in and the guys who have to operate it...

[Drew]

While I agree that it's not workable as is...Don't for christs sake ask St John or any other VOLOUNTARY organisation to get involved. We all know people who would sue - and that would mean losing the goodwill of those we rely on.
Never mind saying it's for the good of the sport, losing the present good relationship with the volounteer medics and first aiders would be a disaster.
The only way to do it right IMO is to get the drug testing pros in at random meetings and do it as totally random testing - including those the rider nominates as crew.

Has anyone approached MNZ and asked how they propose it will be done ? Or are "operational matters" still being left to the relevant commissioner's discretion ? Starting to look like the usual disconnect between what the board wants put in and the guys who have to operate it...

Paramedics would tell ya to get fucked anyway. Drug testers need to be certified and trained. St John's wouldn't pay for their staff to become trained, or pay them more to be certed.

Out source it is the only way to go. And it aint cheep to have them come to site. $30 to go get a piss test in WA at their offices. Results the same day.

[FROSTY]

I agree with the sentiment behind the rule change.
What I don't agree with is the application of the word "suspicion"
I get their point--A guy rolls into sighn in with bloodshot eyes and the wiff of Dak on him its fairly likely he's had a toke or two.
Equally he stinks of beer.
I would think no one wants to be on the track with that person.
But they need to be TESTED.

Potential scenario. ( not--but I can dream)
Ive got off my backside and raced every round of the nationals in superbike
Theres one round left and Im tied for points with Andrew Stroud (leave me alone its my dream)
So stroudy being the Villain he is raises the suspicion that I might have had a vino or two last night.
Instant suspension for that meeting and sure as eggs even with proof off no booze in the system I can't get the lost points from that round.

The ONLY fair answer at least for booze is an on site test before the meeting starts.

[ellipsis]

...I beat Andrew to a seat at a prize giving do once...I had only two beers before that, 'cos they cost too much to have three...he didn't protest that one...just smiled like he does...but he did have a glazed eye look...(sic)...SUSPISION...

[Grumph]

I agree with the sentiment behind the rule change.
What I don't agree with is the application of the word "suspicion"
I get their point--A guy rolls into sighn in with bloodshot eyes and the wiff of Dak on him its fairly likely he's had a toke or two.
Equally he stinks of beer.
I would think no one wants to be on the track with that person.
But they need to be TESTED.

The ONLY fair answer at least for booze is an on site test before the meeting starts.

Trouble is, it's not just booze and drugs...I sold my Manx to a guy who proceeded to crash it 4 times in 3 meetings....Turned out, he was doing shift work and invariably came off a 12hr night shift then straight to the track...perfectly legal but......

[mossy1200]

Trouble is, it's not just booze and drugs...I sold my Manx to a guy who proceeded to crash it 4 times in 3 meetings....Turned out, he was doing shift work and invariably came off a 12hr night shift then straight to the track...perfectly legal but......

Introduction of a basic pre race skills test involving road cones and a pit bike required. Any rider fails then they are drunk or stoned. Any rider falls asleep in the waiting line for their turn is sleep deprived.

[sidecar bob]

[QUOTE=sidecar bob;1130891459] buying a Porsche & carrying on like a posing fuckwit.
QUOTE]

:innocent: Oh the irony... someone we know? :wait::killingme:killingme

What kind of cock smoking cottaging faggot would even consider buying one of those unreliable half sorted over rated piles of shit? :msn-wink:

[nodrog]

Introduction of a basic pre race skills test involving road cones and a pit bike required. Any rider fails then they are drunk or stoned. Any rider falls asleep in the waiting line for their turn is sleep deprived.

But you're not allowed pit bikes.

[mossy1200]

But you're not allowed pit bikes.

This is exactly why I never claim to be an intellectual.

[sidecar bob]

Trouble is, it's not just booze and drugs...I sold my Manx to a guy who proceeded to crash it 4 times in 3 meetings....Turned out, he was doing shift work and invariably came off a 12hr night shift then straight to the track...perfectly legal but......

First mistake there is that you sold your Manx.

[Drew]

First mistake there is that you sold your Manx.

I didn't notice the meth addict Norton in your garage the other week. Are calling a kettle black?

[sidecar bob]

I didn't notice the meth addict Norton in your garage the other week. Are calling a kettle black?

No, it's in the back passage down by the kids rooms.
Apparently It doesn't smell like the last Norton I had parked there & isint as spooky at night either according to the kids.

[Drew]

No, it's in the back passage down by the kids rooms.
Apparently It doesn't smell like the last Norton I had parked there & isint as spooky at night either according to the kids.

You're gonna need to repossess the garage next door if you don't don't get a handle on this bike addiction of yours.

[Grumph]

First mistake there is that you sold your Manx.

Yeah, well. it was 1973 and it was worth sfa, and there was a kid.....But i did then build a TR3 copy....

I know what your kids mean by spooky - the old man used to work on some weird shit, I swear one Vincent we had there was haunted...
I personally turned a 650 Benelli into a racebike for a customer which had been involved in a double fatality. Things got moved around in the workshop at night while it was there.
No drugs or alcohol involved on my end either.

[jellywrestler]

No drugs or alcohol involved on my end either.
i don't put drugs or alcohol on me end either, except for maybe once when one woman woman i stuck my womb broom into wasn't as clean as she could've been.

[jellywrestler]

First mistake there is that you sold your Manx.

if everybody kept everybike they owned then none of them would be worth anything now.

[jasonu]

The only way to do it right IMO is to get the drug testing pros in at random meetings and do it as totally random testing - including those the rider nominates as crew.

..

Or maybe the COC's all train in administering the tests and reading the results. At every meeting there are (say) 5 random names pulled from a hat (in the presence of the COC and riders rep) and the tests are done in the presence of the COC, riders rep and a representative chosen by the person being tested. Just as the pigs will show you the un tampered with breathalyzer vile in a roadside breath test the same would be done at the track.
Also included could be if any rider or team member is visibly impaired (in the opinion of the COC AND riders rep) that person could be tested.
The procedure and testing device/equipment used MUST be of the same type at every meeting.

[Drew]

It's bad enough having a professional look at your cock while you piss. Let alone track staff.

[Grumph]

Or maybe the COC's all train in administering the tests and reading the results. At every meeting there are (say) 5 random names pulled from a hat (in the presence of the COC and riders rep) and the tests are done in the presence of the COC, riders rep and a representative chosen by the person being tested. Just as the pigs will show you the un tampered with breathalyzer vile in a roadside breath test the same would be done at the track.
Also included could be if any rider or team member is visibly impaired (in the opinion of the COC AND riders rep) that person could be tested.
The procedure and testing device/equipment used MUST be of the same type at every meeting.

Bloody hell - have you ever done the CoC's job at a big meeting ? Put simply, there is just not enough time to add that on as well.

personally, I backed away from CoC work when it became obvious that giving out a Stewards ticket with the CoC one was a way of fixing the shortage of Stewards. If I'd had to look at cocks as part of it I would have turned and run....

[sidecar bob]

And what happens if your mrs really likes the coc?

[jasonu]

It's bad enough having a professional look at your cock while you piss. Let alone track staff.


Bloody hell - have you ever done the CoC's job at a big meeting ? Put simply, there is just not enough time to add that on as well.

personally, I backed away from CoC work when it became obvious that giving out a Stewards ticket with the CoC one was a way of fixing the shortage of Stewards. If I'd had to look at cocks as part of it I would have turned and run....

Maybe a selected person from the club that is running the event. It doesn't matter who does it as long as the person(s) are properly trained in the procedure and it is done to the letter of the procedure.

Drew, when they do the piss test at my work the person running it may ask you to turn out your pockets to make sure you aren't packing any one else's clean piss. You are given a cup with a screw on lid and are escorted to the bog where you give the sample. The sample is then handed over, tested for temperature then a test strip in dipped and then examined. The results are immediate. No one actually sees your cock. I hated doing it so I made sure I pissed on the outside of the cup as well as in it.

[jellywrestler]

It's bad enough having a professional look at your cock while you piss. Let alone track staff.

i certainally wouldn't put anything that looked like your cock in my fridge.

[jellywrestler]

turn out your pockets to

isn't that called the elephant dance, although not in Drewpys case, he doesn't call his'The Vicious Inch' for no reason

[scrivy]

And what happens if your mrs really likes the coc?

What happens if one of your 'suspicious' pit crew likes the coc.........???:shit::shifty:

I guess that's the long bike teams fucked then......

(That was tongue in cheek....... In no way do I not like the long bikes...... So all you long bike fags can't bash me....)

[sidecar bob]

I know what your kids mean by spooky - the old man used to work on some weird shit, I swear one Vincent we had there was haunted..

It is entirely possible the bike in question was haunted. It was Robbies old yellow Commando race bike.

[Shaun Harris]

Maybe a selected person from the club that is running the event. It doesn't matter who does it as long as the person(s) are properly trained in the procedure and it is done to the letter of the procedure.

Drew, when they do the piss test at my work the person running it may ask you to turn out your pockets to make sure you aren't packing any one else's clean piss. You are given a cup with a screw on lid and are escorted to the bog where you give the sample. The sample is then handed over, tested for temperature then a test strip in dipped and then examined. The results are immediate. No one actually sees your cock. I hated doing it so I made sure I pissed on the outside of the cup as well as in it.


Same for my last job in the oil rig industry man. When I was tested ( And passed) at a race meet here a few years back, They watched like Drew has described. When ever I was tested over seas, ( And passed) they did as per the work method .


I have just forwared email to the office from my communication with a lawyer today on this topic for the good of the sport. As I am NOT an MNZ member there is nothing I can do to act with in the system, hence I forwarded the lawyer communication to the office. it reads to me that Suspicion is NOT legal, Perhaps when this rule was worded, a Lawyer may not have been spoken too about the legallity of it. Test me and any other any day of the week please, BUT SUSPICION? Come on team. Lets play safe and fair together.

[Drew]

isn't that called the elephant dance, although not in Drewpys case, he doesn't call his'The Vicious Inch' for no reason

It's 'twisted noodle' actually.

[jasonu]

Perhaps when this rule was worded, a Lawyer may not have been spoken too about the legallity of it. Test me and any other any day of the week please, BUT SUSPICION? Come on team. Lets play safe and fair together.

It stinks like amature hour...

[Shaun Harris]

It stinks like amature hour...



Agree that wording of it is totally un fair, so NOT good for the sport in the long run but, I am also impressed that they are trying to make the sport a safer place for all involved after past incidents which is where the new wording has come from. I have sent some Legal Information to the powers that be, so they can see what a LAWYER says about it. I am guessing, that as the rule was written with SAFETY as the key point, the wording of it, may not have been run past a lawyer in the first place? Time will tell on that I guess. But lets not start bashing them for trying to make the sport a safer place, lets work together to make it a safer fairer place for all involved. Man, I would hate to see some one sent home after spending thousands of dollars and due to suspicion only, based on back stabbing actions, which our nation is now experts at, sadly to say.

[jasonu]

Agree that wording of it is totally un fair, so NOT good for the sport in the long run but, I am also impressed that they are trying to make the sport a safer place for all involved after past incidents which is where the new wording has come from. I have sent some Legal Information to the powers that be, so they can see what a LAWYER says about it. I am guessing, that as the rule was written with SAFETY as the key point, the wording of it, may not have been run past a lawyer in the first place? Time will tell on that I guess. But lets not start bashing them for trying to make the sport a safer place, lets work together to make it a safer fairer place for all involved. Man, I would hate to see some one sent home after spending thousands of dollars and due to suspicion only, based on back stabbing actions, which our nation is now experts at, sadly to say.

Bit of a turn around there mate. Is someone from the MNZ putting the screws to you or giving you menacing sideways looks?

[Shaun Harris]

Bit of a turn around there mate. Is someone from the MNZ putting the screws to you or giving you menacing sideways looks?


Not all Man. Just talking with people and thinking it through, I CAN SEE the intention of it, still DO NOT agree with it as worded, but as said, I do 100% AGREE with legit testing some how if there is any doubt for the safety of all involved.

[J.A.W.]

MNZ has to follow the BS WADA guidelines to get sports funding..

The WADA go by BS American 'War on Drugs' values - to demonise/ostracise even casual/recreational users..

Just wait until MNZ gets to confiscate your bikes, tools, van & all - as illegal proceeds of crime.. ..on suspicion..

[sidecar bob]

MNZ has to follow the BS WADA guidelines to get sports funding..

The WADA go by BS American 'War on Drugs' values - to demonise/ostracise even casual/recreational users..

Just wait until MNZ gets to confiscate your bikes, tools, van & all - as illegal proceeds of crime.. ..on suspicion..

Yeah, I can just imagine my old mate Trevor demanding the keys to my van because I'm riding a bike that was set up for someone with a totally different riding style to mine & end up riding it like I've been on drugs.

[nodrog]

3 people were sent home from Taupo on the weekend on the suspicion they had been taking Metamucil.

[Shaun Harris]

3 people were sent home from Taupo on the weekend on the suspicion they had been taking Metamucil.



Dam. How did they find some thing so healthy to eat at a race track in NZ- Burger and chips please lol at a sport event

[Drew]

Whatever they put in the sauce on 'speed dogs' is addictive I think.

[Shaun Harris]

Whatever they put in the sauce on 'speed dogs' is addictive I think.


so ure saying you are a sausage gobbler then

[Drew]

so ure saying you are a sausage gobbler then

Read it however you like.

[sidecar bob]

Read it however you like.

I cant because you aren't returning my TXTs so I assume you must hate me.:baby:

[Drew]

I cant because you aren't returning my TXTs so I assume you must hate me.:baby:

Hahahahaha.

[Kickaha]

so I assume you must hate me.:baby:
Doesn't everyone?

[sidecar bob]

Doesn't everyone?

Only the people I despise, I chose that.

[Shaun Harris]

Dam, no more drinkies for Jellywrestler

[jellywrestler]

Dam, no more drinkies for Jellywrestler

There'll be plenty more Brown Powerades going down my throat. I have had while commentating over the last two years four cans or stubbies, three were given to me by a sponsor at one meeting, and one at another, afterwards there's plenty but as i only drink beer, and have a job to do that requires a level of alertness and energy don't get ripped the night before.
Once I'm into prize giving I reserve the right to have a beer in my hand, although; as i represent clubs if they have an objection to this then that's fine, I'll wait till after.

[Shaun Harris]

There'll be plenty more Brown Powerades going down my throat. I have had while commentating over the last two years four cans or stubbies, three were given to me by a sponsor at one meeting, and one at another, afterwards there's plenty but as i only drink beer, and have a job to do that requires a level of alertness and energy don't get ripped the night before.
Once I'm into prize giving I reserve the right to have a beer in my hand, although; as i represent clubs if they have an objection to this then that's fine, I'll wait till after.



was a piss take as you know dude. You do a bloody good job I say, and I would buy ya a beer anytime for what you do for the sport:woohoo:

[jellywrestler]

was a piss take as you know dude. You do a bloody good job I say, and I would buy ya a beer anytime for what you do for the sport:woohoo:

maybe, but both those times i had a beer mentioned there were complaints.....

[Shaun Harris]

maybe, but both those times i had a beer mentioned there were complaints.....




Sad winger who ever it was, an I bet it was in the NTH Island also, haha Know you cannot deny nor confirm. Some people always want to be a policemen, no matter what!

[ellipsis]

. Some people always want to be a policemen, no matter what!


...or a Spaceman...like me...

[Shaun Harris]

...or a Spaceman...like me...



But never a space caddet like me

[nodrog]

maybe, but both those times i had a beer mentioned there were complaints.....

I probably complained cos I had run out.

[Drew]

I probably complained cos I had run out.

Fridge in the dungeon is ALWAYS stocked.

[Kickaha]

Fridge in the dungeon is ALWAYS stocked.

There you go Noddydog just help yourself in future

[nodrog]

Fridge in the dungeon is ALWAYS stocked.


There you go Noddydog just help yourself in future

Its a trap!

[Drew]

Its a trap!

You are welcome to send Tina to get you a beer. There are cooking facilities in there too.

[nodrog]

Fridge in the dungeon is ALWAYS stocked.


You are welcome to send Tina to get you a beer. There are cooking facilities in there too.

You and Tina can make the sandwiches, Jodie and I will drink the beersies.

[Drew]

Actually, it's the pancakes with banana and maple syrup that seems to be most popular from our kitchen...after the Heineken of course.