VJ Day (victory over Japan?) 15/8/1945 - 70 years ago!

[oldrider]

I was 6yrs old and remember that day like it was yesterday but not until recently did I actually learn the truth! :scratch: Why do they do that? :confused:

There are many things that the world does not know about that time but this lady will fill in some of the blanks!: https://youtu.be/BsHz63ZX3gs :shifty:

[bogan]

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/files/2014/08/conspiracy-theories-everywhere.jpg

[oneofsix]

Thanks for the reminder than tomorrow is VJ day but other than that ...

[oldrider]

Of course it includes conspiracy theory stuff but in between there are some factual gems that only a person of her qualifications and experience could know! :corn:

Only foolish people throw the whole apple away just because it has little bug in it - but then this is KB! :yes: Smart people can tell the difference! :facepalm:

[Swoop]

... not until recently did I actually learn the truth!
We didn't win?:scratch:

[caspernz]

Thanks for the reminder of VJ Day.

For me the only sad part is our failure to really learn from the past. Kinda hard to talk about what matters without being labelled a conspiracy theorist, all I can add to that is it saddens me to read the history record on an event I've been part of and see the picture twisted to suit someone elses agenda. Still, such is life as a pleb I suppose.

[Voltaire]

I can't be arsed watching 2 hours of conspiracy theory , but its easier to look back from 70 years with a different view to the people who were there at the time.

If the Japanese of the Germans had had the Atomic bomb and a means of delivery they would have used it.

As much as dropping Atom bombs on cities was abhorrent they were given the opportunity to surrender, which is more than can be said for the Japanese behaviour in China.

[mashman]

Thanks for the reminder of VJ Day.

For me the only sad part is our failure to really learn from the past. Kinda hard to talk about what matters without being labelled a conspiracy theorist, all I can add to that is it saddens me to read the history record on an event I've been part of and see the picture twisted to suit someone elses agenda. Still, such is life as a pleb I suppose.

Aye, they just made things smaller, like depleted uranium shit. That's not a conspiracy is it?

[caspernz]

Aye, they just made things smaller, like depleted uranium shit. That's not a conspiracy is it?

Aye, nasty stuff. The money spent on more efficient ways to kill each other... :brick:

[mashman]

Aye, nasty stuff. The money spent on more efficient ways to kill each other... :brick:

Yeah but bro, it's where all of our technological advances come from :killingme

[scumdog]

..... which is more than can be said for the Japanese behaviour in China.

And the Japs refuse to even mention that 'incident' in their history...:yes:

[ellipsis]

And the (insert any warmongering tribe) refuse to even mention that 'incident' in their history...:yes:

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[oldrider]

And the Japs refuse to even mention that 'incident' in their history...:yes:

The new de script for that it seems is "political ponerology" I.E. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_ponerology01.htm

[Akzle]

J day you say. Im in.



We sure beat those gooks. Sent from my toshiba laptop in from of my sony monitor with my mitsubishi air con running...

[TLDV8]

If the Japanese of the Germans had had the Atomic bomb and a means of delivery they would have used it.

As much as dropping Atom bombs on cities was abhorrent they were given the opportunity to surrender, which is more than can be said for the Japanese behaviour in China.

If I am not mistaken more (civilian) Japanese died from being incinerated when purposely bombed with incendiaries as was Dresden in Germany (Civilians were the targets)
Both my Father (RAAF) and Step Father (RNZAF) fought against the Japanese, one thing is for sure little was learned in the 70 years since WW2 let alone WW1.

This in an interesting account of things including Japan in China which seemed OK to the other global powers in the beginning (1934 iirc)
China, Spain and then all of Europe in the 1930's decade.

http://www.amazon.com/Flyboys-A-True-Story-Courage/dp/0316159433

[Swoop]

If I am not mistaken more (civilian) Japanese died from being incinerated when purposely bombed with incendiaries as was Dresden in Germany (Civilians were the targets)

Correct. One B-29 incendiary raid killed more than the number who died from one nuclear blast. There were quite a few firestorm raids too, as they did far more damage in Japan's wooden buildings than what high explosive bombs did.
There is a very interesting vid on ewechoob that was prepared during WW2, showing all the planning stages for a B-29 raid. Escort "mother ships", designated ditching locations and rescue aircraft, fighter escorts and their navigational mother-ships, making up a very complex ballet in the air.

[Voltaire]

Well I suppose if the Americans had not got involved in WW2, Europe would be run by the Germans and this part of the world would be more Asian. :innocent:

[Brian d marge]

The fire bombing of tokyo was better
The nukes were just a side show

And if ya just spent 2 billion in old money making them shame not to use em

As for Nanking yes but no . .the numbers are all askew
I dont know the details yet but im working on it

Anyway that will teach japan for walking out of the league of nations shylock and his mates got a long memory . .

Currently on jap tv there is a hell of a lot of war related dramad and movies
Like they are desensitizating the sheep again




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[Banditbandit]

Celebrate with fireworks ...

http://osnetdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Nuclear-Blash-Explosion-Bomb-Blast-Atomic-Bomb-Blash-12.jpg

[oldrider]

Despite all of the American treachery and how they start most of the wars - we believed we were on the side of the good guys and that image above was a relief!

The Japanese military were a nasty lot of little bastards and were closer to invading us than most people realise! - Thanks so much to those that made the sacrifice!

[Voltaire]

I think WW2 is where the Americans got the idea that " the good guys win"

[Voltaire]

See the news last night.

70 years since the Chinese Victory over Japan

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34125418

Yep chiang kai shek and the mass murder mao Zedong sure sorted out those Japanese.

Interesting mix China, mass consumerism , corruption,coupled up with State Control.

[oldrider]

Compare how many times China has waged war around the globe against that of the USA - then ask yourself the question?

Which country has demonstrated the better attitude toward peace? - if China is the enemy I would be more worried about being friends with the USA! :ar15::2guns:

Take a look around the world and see just what being friends and allies with the USA has cost in death and destruction over the last 70 years! :doh:

[Voltaire]

Compare how many times China has waged war around the globe against that of the USA - then ask yourself the question?

Which country has demonstrated the better attitude toward peace? - if China is the enemy I would be more worried about being friends with the USA! :ar15::2guns:

Take a look around the world and see just what being friends and allies with the USA has cost in death and destruction over the last 70 years! :doh:

China worked out the Hearts and Minds a while back, don't they make larger contributions to small countries for a bit of support with voting and stuff.

Be interesting to see what happens in China as the economy goes from developing to developed and the population starts to want more than shiny toys.

[Swoop]

Which country has demonstrated the better attitude toward peace? - if China is the enemy...

Remember that Mao's "Little red book" advocates a "death by a thousand cuts" and does not wish war. You can conquer an enemy by whittling away at him and the economic approach is the favoured option.
A reversal of this is what is being used in Ukraine, btw...


I also laugh at the recent military parade in China where the "peaceful intentions" of China was espoused by the loony leader. Cutting military personnel by 300,000?
There are two reasons to do this. First is the unpopular compulsory military duty. Second is the move to a professional military of volunteers, rather than peasant compulsory draftees.
China has wanted to be more western with choices, consumerism and freedoms of individuals (voting, where to live, what to own, etc). The "economic freedoms" and progressions stemming from the '80's has now come back to bite the communist leaders in the arse.

Oh how sad.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah.. oriental "face" ( mana) means China done gotta do their best to rub Nippon's nose in it..
Not that they'd have whipped 'em without the Yanks doing the dirty 'cake & eat it too' war-biz, back in the day..

[Voltaire]

It really should have been a thank you America for defeating the Japanese day.

Murder Mao filled the void left and look what happened.

I was in China a few years back and he is a hero much like how Hitler and Stalin were before they went out of business.

Of course the Chinese version of history is probably different.

[J.A.W.]

Funny, Napoleon has his tomb in Paris ( to which, tourist Adolf - duly paid his respects to),
& while Bony's legacy is disputable.. them Froggy's seem 1/2 way proud of the bastard..

Wonder if, in the fullness of time, the other 'little corporal' is given like due..

[oldrider]

It really should have been a thank you America for defeating the Japanese day.

Murder Mao filled the void left and look what happened.

I was in China a few years back and he is a hero much like how Hitler and Stalin were before they went out of business.

Of course the Chinese version of history is probably different.

Well for a start China was fighting on many fronts (civil war Mao v Chiang Kai-shek v America v Japan) who really knew who was fighting who!

[Voltaire]

Well for a start China was fighting on many fronts (civil war Mao v Chiang Kai-shek v America v Japan) who really knew who was fighting who!

Without Googling it I'd imagine the Americans were supplying Chaing Kai-Shek and the Russian ( and/or the Americans) were supplying Mao and his Commies.

What's next, China demanding Taiwan which was part of the old China back?

[J.A.W.]

Taiwan has always been on Red China's to do list..

America backed both China factions against Nippon, they really didn't like either corrupt Chiang or commie Mao though..

Roosevelt's war aim was to destroy non-American Asian empires, Nippon, Britain, France, Netherlands..
Cold-war/Roosevelt's death - altered this emphasis somewhat..

In late 1945 surrendered Nippon troops were used in Indonesia/Indo-China - to help suppress Asian local independance moves..

[Oscar]

And if ya just spent 2 billion in old money making them shame not to use em



The B29 program cost more than the Manhatten Project.

[J.A.W.]

B-29 production/delivery price was ~$600,000 a pop.. & operating them cost a bundle more on top of that..

& it was the only suitable bombtruck - the USAAF had - to do the nukin' with.. then..