Bike vs Truck today - East Tamaki [Archive]

Da Bird

23rd September 2005, 20:22

Zed

23rd September 2005, 20:29

A few pics of this poor guy riding his little Honda 250 into the front of a truck... well to be more correct, the truck pulled out and the poor guy didn't have anywhere to go.

Fortunately, he wasn't too bad when I went to the hospital to see him but haven't got a full list of injuries yet.

I hate it when people just say "I didn't see him/her".

BC.Stopped the poor guy dead in his tracks! Doesn't sound too good if he's been hospitalised and there's a "list" of injuries...hope the guy's okay. :doctor:

White trash

23rd September 2005, 20:29

So we all ring Philpot on Monday, see how much reperation they're offering or what? There's some fucken careless arseholes out there, gives me the shits big time.

Sniper

23rd September 2005, 20:31

Poor bugger. Lets get philpot!

crashe

23rd September 2005, 20:35

Hope the rider is gonna be ok.... and his injuries heal up fast.

BykeyCop - How bad was the bike?
Does it look like it could be fixable or written off?

Waylander

23rd September 2005, 20:38

Hope he pulls through allright.
Stupid cagers :argh: doesn't make me to anxious to about being in the area tomorrow.

Da Bird

23rd September 2005, 20:38

Hope the rider is gonna be ok.... and his injuries heal up fast.

BykeyCop - How bad was the bike?
Does it look like it could be fixable or written off?

Right hand handle bar badly bent, almost snapped right off. Would assume forks buckled but I would say for hitting the front of a truck, it was actually not too bad.

Will visit the rider next week and see how he is.

MadDuck

23rd September 2005, 20:45

Post Phillpots damn phone number. A call every 5 mins from one or all of us could tie their business up for days....trust the driver is being fined for that :angry2:

Da Bird

23rd September 2005, 20:51

Post Phillpots damn phone number. A call every 5 mins from one or all of us could tie their business up for days....trust the driver is being fined for that :angry2:

Will either be charged with Careless Driving or Careless Causing Injury - just have to talk to the rider next week before I can confirm which. Will be a court appearance either way.

Grizz

23rd September 2005, 20:58

This could have been a whole lot worse, hope the rider has a swift recovery.

MadDuck

23rd September 2005, 20:59

IMHO he should be charged with attempted murder for that effort

White trash

23rd September 2005, 21:02

Just my thoughts... but according to MrsMedic I should stop thinking and start doing mmmphh...

Sounds like she's grabbed ya by the ears and buried your face right there :whistle:

crashe

23rd September 2005, 21:04

but according to MrsMedic I should stop thinking and start doing mmmphh... what would she know.
I reckon she knows a lot :rofl: :rofl:

MadDuck

23rd September 2005, 21:04

The voice of reason...you be right Mr SpeedMedic. I will go back to my corner of the universe.

Its tough to sit back and watch this kinda senseless action from the so called professional drivers on our roads... and Mrs SM is right - YOU THINK TOO MUCH!!!!!

Da Bird

23rd September 2005, 21:06

Thanks Speedmedic... yes, please don't go ringing the company. The bosses were very good and wanted to know how the guy was etc. It's just one guy who is responsible so not very fair to tar the whole company. In hindsight, I probably should have blacked out the name but was too eager to post the pics!

BC.

ManDownUnder

23rd September 2005, 21:10

Sounds like she's grabbed ya by the ears and buried your face right there :whistle:

What a way to go...

Jantar

23rd September 2005, 22:03

I would suggest not phoning Philpot, as BykeyCop has kindly posted these pictures for us and may get in trouble if there are any repercussions down the track.

Great advice SpeedMedic. It wasn't Philpot the company that drove in front of the rider, it was just one driver. As Bykey Cop has said, he will be charged, and it looks like the charge will be a serious one. The driver didn't intend to cause harm to anyone, it was just a careless moment of bad judgement, so lets just allow justice to proceed and not prejudge any court case.

MadDuck

23rd September 2005, 22:49

The driver didn't intend to cause harm to anyone, it was just a careless moment of bad judgement, so lets just allow justice to proceed and not prejudge any court case.

I beg to differ...driver was in too much of a hurry to probably meet deadlines and timetables. The road is a busy one FFS. Look left then look right it aint that technical really.

Did he intend to cause harm? Shit when he pulled out of a give way sign without reasonable care he sure as hell DID!

I wont predjudice any court case but knowing our system he will get slap on wrist and be out there and maybe actually suceed in killing a biker

Jantar

23rd September 2005, 23:09

I beg to differ...driver was in too much of a hurry to probably meet deadlines and timetables.

Probably? That is the key word. WE don't know for sure. But whether he did have deadlines to meet or not, it was the driver in charge of the truck at the time, not the company. It was the driver's decision to pull out when he did. I would believe that the driver really did not see the motorcyclist, and THAT failure is the proof is his guilt to careless use.

Did he intend to cause harm? Shit when he pulled out of a give way sign without reasonable care he sure as hell DID!

Interesting, If your interpretation is correct and he DID intend to cause harm, then he also intended to fail to meet his deadlines. Sorry MD, but your two statements are contradictory.

justsomeguy

23rd September 2005, 23:36

The poor biker was too trusting...... on our roads you can't trust any of these damn cagers, especially in SUV's or Trucks....... if you do trust them then you do so at your own peril....

Hope he makes a full recovery and hopefully all the repairs will be paid for.

I remember someone's sig here that went "They miss seeing trucks and trains and you expect them to see you???"

MadDuck

23rd September 2005, 23:36

Waylander

23rd September 2005, 23:38

:Oi:..........

Jantar

23rd September 2005, 23:46

I cant believe you are defending the actions of the driver. At the end of the day he ran over a damn biker. Yes ran him over

Put your fancy words aside for a minute and think about it. Maybe time you relocated to Texas!

It looks like we are at cross purposes here. I am certainly NOT defending the drivers actions. he was obviously careless, and that is a serious charge, but one that should be able to be prosecuted successfully. However trying to prove that he deliberately caused an accident may just be unprovable.

justsomeguy

23rd September 2005, 23:47

Mattyc

24th September 2005, 08:03

KATWYN

24th September 2005, 08:35

Balls and Arse.. poor guy, hope he gets well soon

Some truck drivers, are the best drivers on the road, there are some real cowboys out there tho, a lot on the motorway, who sit there in their 30 ton truck, 5 feet off your ass at 100Kmh, in their 30 ton weapon. lucky it wasn't one of those who "Just didnt see him"

on a side note
How does the rt100 go Bykey Cop ?

I was just about to post the same.

I find so many Auckland truck divers do
that - it scares the hell outa ya when they do it to you
when you are driving a car let alone riding a bike.
Do all those truckies not actually understand the law of physics and what happens if they had to break suddenly with 30 tonnes of weight
behind them? Scary stuff

Gazzar

24th September 2005, 09:08

Hi guys
I drive trucks in Auckland and i would say that i hope the rider gets better soon and it looks bad.
You also have to think about how long it takes to get a truck moveing and how fist the bike was going ( i am not defending the truck driver ) :no:
There is bad drivers and riders and good.
I spend about 9 hours a day in a truck and peaple think that i now what they are going to do before they do it. When i get a good gap between me and the next car some one wall just jump in then i back off and the next one jumps in. Please think about it and be atleast 5m or more in front before moveing infront its not that hard.

Patrick

24th September 2005, 09:14

Will either be charged with Careless Driving or Careless Causing Injury - just have to talk to the rider next week before I can confirm which. Will be a court appearance either way.

Goes to hospital, its injury...definite loss of licence time I say...who needs him out on the orads if he can't see... :mad: :Pokey: :angry2:

scumdog

24th September 2005, 09:50

Yup I agree - that driver should be given a real lesson by the law..... the bastard DRIVES for a living you'd expect him to exhibit "a reasonable duty of care" I'd guess.... he was putting his cargo at risk and "working" in a manner that caused direct harm to another person....

Any news on the chaps injuries yet??

Thread hi-jack here: You would be amazed at the number of drunk drivers convicted in Court who are full-time truck drivers, FFS! their whole income depends on them driving for a living - and holding a drivers licence, BUT they drink-drive? :weird:

Patrick

24th September 2005, 09:56

Thread hi-jack here: You would be amazed at the number of drunk drivers convicted in Court who are full-time truck drivers, FFS! their whole income depends on them driving for a living - and holding a drivers licence, BUT they drink-drive? :weird:

Too right...just got one the other day...so pissed he had to stop and have a chunder then carried on as if nothing wrong... good catch, instant suspension due to high level and he still has court to deal with... Professional Truck Driver????....yeah right (not that one...most are!!!)

myvice

24th September 2005, 10:42

90% of truck drivers are ok, but like all groups there is a few that bring the others down!
Like taxi drivers, 90% ruin it for the other 10% :devil2:

Da Bird

28th September 2005, 00:16

Spoke briefly to the rider tonight. Had 4 days in hospital with a broken collar bone and also had surgery on his knee. Still feeling very sore and will be off work for several weeks but feeling lucky to be alive. Will go and see him tomorrow.

BC.

scumdog

28th September 2005, 00:31

And how did the truck driver explain how he came to cause these injuries?????

Da Bird

28th September 2005, 00:36

And how did the truck driver explain how he came to cause these injuries?????

"I didn't see him"...

There's been a lot of blind people driving around lately.

scumdog

28th September 2005, 00:42

"I didn't see him"...

There's been a lot of blind people driving around lately.

I see too many people approach an intersection where they DON'T have the right-of-way BUT act like they do - and then have to slam the anchors on at the last minute when they see that there IS another vehicle coming. (If the 'see' it that is)
I approach ANY intersection as if it is ME that will have to give way.

tracyprier

28th September 2005, 09:11

Originally Posted by Bykey Cop
"I didn't see him"...

There's been a lot of blind people driving around lately"

I reckon the biggest problem is that too many people get in their cage and head off with 10 things on their mind...none of which is actually concentrating on driving the bloody car!

That and too many ICD's (in car distractions). And it just buggers logic that we STILL haven't outlawed people using cellphones when driving in this country... heck even India has done this!

Hell, last week, heading into work on the southern motorway, silly bitch in a 4wd TXTING!!!! un-be-smegging-lievable.

Smorg

28th September 2005, 09:12

IMHO he should be charged with attempted murder for that effort

Thats ridiculous its not like he aimed for him.......................i'm not excusing it either, poor dude hope he's gonna be sweet

MadDuck

1st October 2005, 20:53

I dont think my coment was riduclous..aim a gun accidently shoot someone and you go to jail. Fail a give way sign and its ok ???

Like I say its an opinion. These people drive our roads and get paid to do so!

Jantar

1st October 2005, 21:18

I dont think my coment was riduclous..aim a gun accidently shoot someone and you go to jail. Fail a give way sign and its ok ???

Accidently shoot someone, and if they die, its manslaughter, not murder. Murder is killing with intent to kill. Accidently shoot someone and cause only minor injuries, and there is no-way that you go to ail. The charge would be along the lines of discharging a fire-arm without due care, its a similar offence to careless driving which is what I assume that this truck driver will be charged with.

No one here has said its OK to fail to give way, all we are saying is that an attempted murder charge is not appropriate, and if the police were dumb enough to charge him with attempted murder then any hick lawyer would quickly get the case dismissed and the driver would walk without any penalty at all.

Which do you prefer: an appropriate penalty or none at all?

MadDuck

1st October 2005, 21:25

Which do you prefer: an appropriate penalty or none at all?
I say hang the bastard...but thats the way I was bought up. No offence to the PC among you thats just me

NhuanH

1st October 2005, 22:05

I am concerned at this ready acceptance of poor professional ability and competence from people supposedly paid to drive as a day job.

The 4WD-toting soccer moms (sic), people TXTing etc, they're stupid bastiges and yes, need to be more alert and responsible road users. But professional drivers have much more time behind the wheel and we'd hope for road users' sakes, ought to have a heightened awareness and ability to judge the situation on our roads and perform appropriately.

They should be better drivers than those of us not paid to be on the roads all day is all I am saying. If they are "careless" (which I think this guy was a bit more than, given his supposed vocational "skill" set and the weapon (urrgh, LTSA propaganda term!) he knew he was wielding), then they should also be car-less/truck-less/ship-less/train-less/helicopter-less/F14-less/Space Shuttle-less...

:done:

Jantar

1st October 2005, 22:08

..... then they should also be car-less/truck-less/ship-less/train-less/helicopter-less/F14-less/Space Shuttle-less...

:done:

That is usually the result of a careless use charge. :niceone:

MadDuck

1st October 2005, 22:52

That is usually the result of a careless use charge. :niceone:

Thank you N for your well thought out explanation. I did say the exact same thing 50 threads back and got slammed....OH... to to be takin seriously on KB one needs to be a bloke. Point taken!

Jantar

1st October 2005, 23:14

Thank you N for your well thought out explanation. I did say the exact same thing 50 threads back and got slammed....OH... to to be takin seriously on KB one needs to be a bloke. Point taken!

Sorry MD, but I did also say a number of threads back that we may be at cross purposes. I slammed you for wanting an attempted murder charge rather than careless use, to which you responded by accusing me of defending the truck driver. I do believe that we all want to see justice, but what you were asking for wasn't justice.

However I'm glad that we now seem to be on the same wavelength. :niceone: