New Zealand Flag - five-way poll

[Virago]

So. What's your choice? I have included the original flag to inject some sensibility into the debate.

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[FJRider]

So. What's your choice? I have included the original flag to inject some sensibility into the debate.



Sensibility is the only thing that has been lacking in the whole debate ... Democratic decision for a want of change requires a democratic vote FIRST.


Then ... if change IS the decision of the majority of voters ... then is the time to decide what to change to ...


Who paid the panel that chose the "Final four" .... ???

[bogan]

Sensibility is the only thing that has been lacking in the whole debate ... Democratic decision for a want of change requires a democratic vote FIRST.


Then ... if change IS the decision of the majority of voters ... then is the time to decide what to change to ...


Who paid the panel that chose the "Final four" .... ???

Bullshit, democratic decisions should be made with understanding of the outcomes. How can we understand the outcome if we haven't decided on what to change to?

[oldrider]

Of change flags I liked this one the best http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174462-Flag/page8 but of course it's not on offer! - (Better balance IMO)

I didn't think it necessary to change the flag that we have at the present time but it will happen anyway I guess - republic next - trendy fucks! :weird:

So on this poll - voted current flag. :corn:

[98tls]

Who cares would rather spend whatever the total is so far on paying someone to remove the piece of shit period that intentionally ran over the six year old in Porirua,this shit hole has far more important problems than a fucking flag.To be fair though i will vote for a flag with some recognition of our supposed natives if they in turn agree to fund there fuck ups.

[mossy1200]

Wouldn't it make sense to start with the referendum asking if people wanted it changed.
Seems odd to ask which one first only to possibly have no change. 2 referendums guaranteed as opposed to possibly 1 only.
Im not a smart guy but I could be onto a 13mill dollar savings here.

[98tls]

Wouldn't it make sense to start with the referendum asking if people wanted it changed.
Seems odd to ask which one first only to possibly have no change. 2 referendums guaranteed as opposed to possibly 1 only.
Im not a smart guy but I could be onto a 13mill dollar savings here.

:laugh::laugh:Indeed does seem odd but hey we live in a country that pays people to have children then complains about the very high domestic violence stats:laugh::laugh:then for shits n giggles spends millons on a fucking flag.:Punk::Punk::weird::laugh:To stupid to be idiots.

[bogan]

Wouldn't it make sense to start with the referendum asking if people wanted it changed.
Seems odd to ask which one first only to possibly have no change. 2 referendums guaranteed as opposed to possibly 1 only.
Im not a smart guy but I could be onto a 13mill dollar savings here.

Simple maths, say 3 groups of 34%, 33% and 33% respectively; koru, fern, stick with current respectively. Assuming a divisive nature in which koru do not want to change to fern and vice versa. A poll to change, then a poll to figure out what to would give the 34% group the result. By first establishing what to, then checking that single outcome has majority, it ensures the majority of us would actually prefer the new one over the old.

[98tls]

Just on a whim any chance when it comes time to vote or not on this bullshit how about those able to vote are actually born here and can show evidence of some form of being worthy of a vote ie having washed up on a high tide and existed on welfare ever since excludes,unfair some will say but fuck me 20 years ago someone called a rather large gathering of them a city:wacko:Havent been back up there since but jesus tis not exactly rocket blah blah blah...

[Voltaire]

If voting for the flag we have is a vote to take the smile of John Keys face lets keep the original one. Over seeing his smug I made my fortune from gambling OPM on the stock market face on TV.

[FROSTY]

Im genuinely struggling to understand the thinking of the flag situation.
WHY do they feel the need to have a referendum to vote on which of the four choices you would pick THEN "if its needed" another one later to decide if we change at all. 28 million reasons to settle if we want to change as being the first vote.

[bogan]

Im genuinely struggling to understand the thinking of the flag situation.
WHY do they feel the need to have a referendum to vote on which of the four choices you would pick THEN "if its needed" another one later to decide if we change at all. 28 million reasons to settle if we want to change as being the first vote.

Democracy, see post #8 for further explanation.

Mind you, if you wanted a third referendum if the first one goes through, that could work too.

[Pixie]

Im genuinely struggling to understand the thinking of the flag situation.
WHY do they feel the need to have a referendum to vote on which of the four choices you would pick THEN "if its needed" another one later to decide if we change at all. 28 million reasons to settle if we want to change as being the first vote.
It makes it more likely that a change will be voted on in the second referendum.
That's why ,in the first referendum, you should vote for the worst option,not spoil your vote.
Worst option is the black and white monkey tail/hypnoflag.This is least likely to win against the current flag.

[Oakie]

Wouldn't it make sense to start with the referendum asking if people wanted it changed.
Seems odd to ask which one first only to possibly have no change. 2 referendums guaranteed as opposed to possibly 1 only.
Im not a smart guy but I could be onto a 13mill dollar savings here.

Lets put it in a way this forum will understand:

You have a big bike. A guy comes up to you on the street and says I'll swap your bike for a more appropriate bike for your lifestyle. No indication of what the replacement bike will be ... just that it will be a bike. Hmmm ... you have doubts because if you agree to swap you may get a scooter in return or you may get a Harley ... but hey, I don't like V twins. On the other hand it could be this year's coveted update of your current bike. Sweet! You're probably going to find it hard to make a decision aren't you ... and you certainly can't make an informed decision.

If however a guy comes up to you, has the same conversation as before but offers you four bikes to choose from that you can whittle down to one bike to weigh up against your existing bike then you're in a much better position aren't you. You can actually say yes or no and know what you are deciding upon.

And that's why there are two referenda.

You're welcome.

[oldrider]

What if I just told you (or him) that I was happy with my current bike so fuck off - negotiations not required - saving of time money and energy!

The poll results so far reveal that this is the most likely scenario! - therefore the flag issue is a political distraction - an expensive side show! :rolleyes:

[Swoop]

WHY do they feel the need to have a referendum to vote on which of the four choices you would pick THEN "if its needed" another one later to decide if we change at all.

Remember what happened with the change to MMP?
First "choose from the following options".
Then "FPP or MMP".

The same applies here.



Just that we get "one of the three white-feathers OR the snail-trail"...

[MD]

A simple and cheaper one referendum approach would be to include the current flag in the selection along with these four wannabes and hey presto, there's your answer.

Personally I want the current flag, with it's warts and all. I usually support our Donkey PM but he's starting to pee me off lately with his obvious personal agendas coming through. The lack of the Union Jack in any of the final choices reeks of deliberate manipulation and a biased panel.

You don't rewrite history just because you are uncomfortable with it today. The Union Jack had a long history of it's own making and that in turn flowed through the people that colonised NZed, so the two are forever connected. It's called heritage and nothing to be ashamed of and discarded like a used tampon.

[Swoop]

The Union Jack had a long history of it's own making and that in turn flowed through the people that colonised NZed, so the two are forever connected.

It seems that is why there is the red/black option of the two white feather/southern X options. The red represents the Chinese colonists'...

[willytheekid]

Why are WE the ones changing our flag?:confused:


Just because Donkey and his corp minions want to make a mark on this country (Like they haven't already by selling most of it for there own personal profits!)...they use the piss weak EXCUSE!, that "Aussie's flag gets confused with ours...so WE need a new one"

How bout we look at the fuckin FACTS!! people.

In 1953 AUSTRALIA adopted a NEW flag...it was designed to be similar to our own NZ flag, (that was flying since 1902!)

http://www.ausflag.com.au/brief_history.asp

http://www.nzflag.com/history.cfm

...So, if the issue is really us having similar flags...why don't we push to get fuckin Aussie's to change there copycat flag?...WE!! flew the current NEW ZEALAND flag 50yrs fuckin yrs before them!...yet, WE are the ones who need to change??:facepalm:

Oh...And nearly EVERY example of other country's "Changing there flag", has been due to those country's claiming SOVEREIGNTY!, not signing up to even MORE foreign masters/rulers!(TPPA)...cos THATS what this is about...focus on the flag people!..."while we sell your arse's and basic's rights off to foreign corporate's!"...You suckas!!


So shove ya BS flag change!...I aint gonna acknowledge the change...just the blatant disrespect of our history and our democratic rights.


Keep the Flag!...Least we forget

[FROSTY]

Lets put it in a way this forum will understand:

You have a big bike. A guy comes up to you on the street and says I'll swap your bike for a more appropriate bike for your lifestyle. No indication of what the replacement bike will be ... just that it will be a bike. Hmmm ... you have doubts because if you agree to swap you may get a scooter in return or you may get a Harley ... but hey, I don't like V twins. On the other hand it could be this year's coveted update of your current bike. Sweet! You're probably going to find it hard to make a decision aren't you ... and you certainly can't make an informed decision.

If however a guy comes up to you, has the same conversation as before but offers you four bikes to choose from that you can whittle down to one bike to weigh up against your existing bike then you're in a much better position aren't you. You can actually say yes or no and know what you are deciding upon.

And that's why there are two referenda.

You're welcome.
The part you completely missed out was that the person asking you to swap puts their hand out for 28 million dollars so they can draw up a list of possible swap choices for you. -still want to even think about a swap?
I can thinks of a LOT of other ways to spend 28 million.

[5ive]

It makes it more likely that a change will be voted on in the second referendum.
That's why ,in the first referendum, you should vote for the worst option,not spoil your vote.
Worst option is the black and white monkey tail/hypnoflag.This is least likely to win against the current flag.

Sounds exactly like what happened in the last general election to be honest, people complaining and not voting, or people wasting their votes trying to 'protest' :facepalm:

[5ive]

The part you completely missed out was that the person asking you to swap puts their hand out for 28 million dollars so they can draw up a list of possible swap choices for you. -still want to even think about a swap?
I can thinks of a LOT of other ways to spend 28 million.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much money was wasted in total on failed referendums during the current Government's leadership - by other people/parties?

Looks like everyone's in on spending other people's money when it suits, maybe we need a referendum to make referendums bonded.

You referendum fails, you lose your bond to pay for it.

[bogan]

A simple and cheaper one referendum approach would be to include the current flag in the selection along with these four wannabes and hey presto, there's your answer.

Nah, cos then you still can get a minority percentage governing the outcome because the reaminder is split over a number of options.


The part you completely missed out was that the person asking you to swap puts their hand out for 28 million dollars so they can draw up a list of possible swap choices for you. -still want to even think about a swap?
I can thinks of a LOT of other ways to spend 28 million.

In that analogy, it would be $5; not 28 million. And for five bucks, maybe you would be curious to whether my 20 year old bike could be swapped up to something newer and sportier...


Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much money was wasted in total on failed referendums during the current Government's leadership - by other people/parties?

Looks like everyone's in on spending other people's money when it suits, maybe we need a referendum to make referendums bonded.

You referendum fails, you lose your bond to pay for it.

That's a really odd way to think about it. A referendum is just a democratic tool to find an outcome; the outcome does not effect whether the tool is wasted or not.

[Stylo]

Why are WE the ones changing our flag?:confused:


Just because Donkey and his corp minions want to make a mark on this country (Like they haven't already by selling most of it for there own personal profits!)...they use the piss weak EXCUSE!, that "Aussie's flag gets confused with ours...so WE need a new one"

How bout we look at the fuckin FACTS!! people.

In 1953 AUSTRALIA adopted a NEW flag...it was designed to be similar to our own NZ flag, (that was flying since 1902!)

http://www.ausflag.com.au/brief_history.asp

http://www.nzflag.com/history.cfm

...So, if the issue is really us having similar flags...why don't we push to get fuckin Aussie's to change there copycat flag?...WE!! flew the current NEW ZEALAND flag 50yrs fuckin yrs before them!...yet, WE are the ones who need to change??:facepalm:

Oh...And nearly EVERY example of other country's "Changing there flag", has been due to those country's claiming SOVEREIGNTY!, not signing up to even MORE foreign masters/rulers!(TPPA)...cos THATS what this is about...focus on the flag people!..."while we sell your arse's and basic's rights off to foreign corporate's!"...You suckas!!


So shove ya BS flag change!...I aint gonna acknowledge the change...just the blatant disrespect of our history and our democratic rights.


Keep the Flag!...Least we forget

Take a deep breath mate, I'm voting for the continuation of the current flag too.

You're right though in that the current flag we have was copied by the Aussies, not the other way around.

Cup of hot Milo and an early night aye.

[Ocean1]

That's a really odd way to think about it. A referendum is just a democratic tool to find an outcome; the outcome does not effect whether the tool is wasted or not.

How about you lose your bond if your referendum fails to get x% votes?

Democracy does have a price, and whiney arsed ideologues don't pay anywhere near their share.

[bogan]

How about you lose your bond if your referendum fails to get x% votes?

Democracy does have a price, and whiney arsed ideologues don't pay anywhere near their share.

A much better idea.

But, how about we just make referendums cheaper. Economies of scale...

I find it is often the whiney ideologues who say nah we don't need a referendum because I already know what should be done about this issue

[Ocean1]

The Union Jack had a long history of it's own making and that in turn flowed through the people that colonised NZed, so the two are forever connected. It's called heritage and nothing to be ashamed of and discarded like a used tampon.

It wasn't NZ's history though, was it?

NZ's earliest recognisable symbol was the fern, the British assigned the defaced jack later, as they did for most colonies.

[Ocean1]

But, how about we just make referendums cheaper. Economies of scale...

I find it is often the whiney ideologues who say nah we don't need a referendum because I already know what should be done about this issue

Losers deciding how we go about winning? I don't think so Nigel, giving free access to policy influence is a positive feedback loop.

[bogan]

Losers deciding how we go about winning? I don't think so Nigel, giving free access to policy influence is a positive feedback loop.

Nah I reckon it'd be alright, they're disorganised so it'd be easy for productive members of society to outweigh em when the votes are tallied.

[granstar]

Flag the flag.

[mossy1200]

Its so Donkey can get the union jack off the flag distancing the links and going down the go your own direction leaving IWI with nobody to claim against so that rich people live in Auckland without losing their homes. I will call it step one in the Treaty down the loo trick.

[Oakie]

What if I just told you (or him) that I was happy with my current bike so fuck off - negotiations not required - saving of time money and energy! :

That is indeed an option ... but if someone were to come up to me and offer to swap my bike I'd want to at least find out what he's offering before telling him to F off.

[granstar]

Likely a diversion to the important things like our health system which is not flash ATM.

My 2c on the flag offerings, I am not into rugby, if that's what the fern is about well you can just take that off, looks like a fishbone anyway. If the black colour if representing our native people it is wrong. from last census 14.9 % note;decendant Maori, 20 % Asian and Islander folk living here, the rest European- Pakeaha (I hate that) which is what the Union Jack in the main represents (Scottish, Irish, Brits).
To be fair about it, simply snip off that corner and we can be a country with a flag that represents who we all are as a nation, and that is NEW ZEALANDERS, i.e a blue flag with the Southern Cross.

Then get back to running this country TYVM.

[mossy1200]

Then get back to ruining this country TYVM.


Fixed that.

[oldrider]

That is indeed an option ... but if someone were to come up to me and offer to swap my bike I'd want to at least find out what he's offering before telling him to F off.

Curiosity killed the cat! - you get over a lot of that as you age - it's just another piece of rag on a stick - but then it is our collective piece of rag!

Sort of like a little kids cuddly - maybe it's a comfort thing - a sense of belonging! - :stupid:

I am getting more dependant on the young - the future is theirs - so I'm happy to let them have their say - but will it be them making it? :thud:

[Akzle]

i'll reiterate that it ISNT a flag, its an ENSIGN and that the government exists as an UNLAWFUL,, probably ILLEGAL, and DEFACTO mob-rule fuckarsery. And that i worry that all you fucking homos contemplating aknowledging JKs hoorah about it are going to give the appearnce of representative governance when the crown becomes a LEGAL fucking entity.
Thankfully mother england has bigger fish to fry than re-colonising. But it probably also places NZ inc. as a saleaable asset which the yanks will buy.

But carry on discussing the fucking pictures. They're important.
Fuckwits.

[Voltaire]

Will the referendum be one of those go down to the local school queue up and fill in a bit of paper, or on line?

If its the former the old flag has a good chance, if of line less so.

Whats the bet the Gummit introduces on line voting to " test it out" for this next year.

[Berries]

i'll reiterate that it ISNT a flag, its an ENSIGN and that the government exists as an UNLAWFUL,, probably ILLEGAL, and DEFACTO mob-rule fuckarsery. And that i worry that all you fucking homos contemplating aknowledging JKs hoorah about it are going to give the appearnce of representative governance when the crown becomes a LEGAL fucking entity.
Thankfully mother england has bigger fish to fry than re-colonising. But it probably also places NZ inc. as a saleaable asset which the yanks will buy.

But carry on discussing the fucking pictures. They're important.
Fuckwits.
Yeah yeah yeah. But which one are you going to vote for?



I quite like the feather myself.

[Akzle]

Yeah yeah yeah. But which one are you going to vote for?


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=315465&stc=1&d=1441312682

[haydes55]

My Facebook is full of idiots sharing pictures about the flag change. Apparently a flag change will remove us from the Commonwealth, changing the flag will let the tppa through and removes "due authority" or something....

AT LEAST FUCKING GOOGLE AND FACT CHECK! I did and it turns out every single picture I've seen shared on FB against the flag change is wrong.

I saw it on the internet, it must be true. Scaremongering and influencing the votes of the idiots of society.

[Big Dog]

Key just wants a legacy. All the laws and policies of his tenure could be gone in a few months to a few years if a motivated party decided it should be so... flags rarely change.

If he gets his way he will reside in our history books until the next time the issue comes up. When will that be? Another 100 years?

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[Akzle]

Facebook is full of idiots.

correct .

[Akzle]

Key just wants a legacy. All the laws and policies of his tenure could be gone in a few months to a few years if a motivated party decided it should be so... flags rarely change.

If he gets his way he will reside in our history books until the next time the issue comes up. When will that be? Another 100 years?

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and i am fuken sick of hearing old white cunts bang THIS out. Jks legacy is going to be longer than helen clarks teeth, unfortunately not for any reason that matters, like his being a cunniving peadophile jew cunt.

[oldrider]

Legacy: We will remember him ---- he will be known as: The right honourable Sir John Key! :cool: (He will be the envy of all his fellow Americans when he retires back in Hawaii)

Prompt:Think back - what was his first significant action upon becoming Prime minister of New Zealand?

Answer: He restored the honours list. (Or whatever it is officially called)

[Banditbandit]

The Internet is full of idiots

Fixed that for you .. includes KB as well ..

[Akzle]

Prompt:Think back - what was his first significant action upon becoming Prime minister of New Zealand?

Answer: He restored the honours list. (Or whatever it is officially called)

i remeber him saying something along the lines of "we will recover 29 bodies from pike river"

trust john key

[Swoop]

i remeber him saying something along the lines of "we will recover 29 bodies from pike river"

They got heaps of possum and rabbit bodies from the access road.
Probably DoC with their rampant "1080 the whole country" approach.

[oldrider]

They got heaps of possum and rabbit bodies from the access road.
Probably DoC with their rampant "1080 the whole country" approach.

Maybe we should have a dead possum on the flag? :sick:

[Swoop]

Maybe we should have a dead possum on the flag? :sick:

An Aussie native? On our tea towel?
NEVER!!
:rofl:

[Oakie]

i'll reiterate that it ISNT a flag, its an ENSIGN


Why the fuck am i going to do this? I know what will happen. Sigh. No. An ensign is the name given to a nation's flag when it is used at sea. It's the maritime equivalent of the actual flag. An ensign is a flag. A flag is not necessarily an ensign.

[Akzle]

Why the fuck am i going to do this? I know what will happen. Sigh. No. An ensign is the name given to a nation's flag when it is used at sea. It's the maritime equivalent of the actual flag. An ensign is a flag. A flag is not necessarily an ensign.

pop quiz: what is the only 'legit' FLAG of nz?

Pop quiz 2: (as a mildly hilarious aside) guess which are new zealand's official languages...

[oldrider]

An Aussie native? On our tea towel?
NEVER!!
:rofl:

Not even a "dead one"? - sure that's not a bit picky Swoop? :whistle:

[Ocean1]

pop quiz: what is the only 'legit' FLAG of nz?

Pop quiz 2: (as a mildly hilarious aside) guess which are new zealand's official languages...

Why don't you use the latest one to tell us all about it?

[Swoop]

Not even a "dead one"? - sure that's not a bit picky Swoop? :whistle:

If the land of the Giant Jumping Rat wants to put it on their tea-towel, then that's up to them. No dead immigrants on "our" tea-towel!
:niceone:

[Oakie]

pop quiz: what is the only 'legit' FLAG of nz?

Pop quiz 2: (as a mildly hilarious aside) guess which are new zealand's official languages...

1) The flag we are trying to change now. Admittedly it did start life as an ensign but became the nation's official flag in 1902. I believe the NZ maritime ensign has a white background instead of blue.

2) English, te reo Maori, NZ Sign Language.

[Akzle]

1) The flag we are trying to change now. Admittedly it did start life as an ensign but became the nation's official flag in 1902. I believe the NZ maritime ensign has a white background instead of blue.

2) English, te reo Maori, NZ Sign Language.

it received royal assent in 1902, did it??

or was it actually "made" a flag ("The flag hitherto known as the New Zealand Ensign, being the flag depicted in Schedule 1, is hereby declared to be the New Zealand Flag.") in 1981? by an act of a defacto government...?


english eh? when did they sneak that through.... or are you just reading wikipedia?

[FJRider]

1) The flag we are trying to change now. Admittedly it did start life as an ensign but became the nation's official flag in 1902. I believe the NZ maritime ensign has a white background instead of blue.



Wrong ... the Maritime ensign has a RED background.

The flag with the White background is the Royal New Zealand Navy Ensign.

[Voltaire]

pop quiz: what is the only 'legit' FLAG of nz?

Pop quiz 2: (as a mildly hilarious aside) guess which are new zealand's official languages...

Legit flag...well as pre Europeans had no flag pretty much the Union Jack naval flag.

Pidgin English seems to be popular these days, chip bro.

[Oakie]

Wrong ... the Maratime ensign has a RED background.

The flag with the White background is the Royal New Zealaqnd Navy Ensign.

Ahh. So the red one is for civilian use?

[Oakie]

english eh? when did they sneak that through.... or are you just reading wikipedia?

Dammit. I had to refer to Wiki to see what you're on about. Interesting points ... English is accepted as the official language because of it's pretty much universal use but only Te Reo and NZ Sign Language have ever been actually granted officlal language status through statute. Smart lady's front bottom aren't you Mr Akzle!

[Akzle]

Legit flag...well as pre Europeans had no flag pretty much the Union Jack naval flag.
.

alright. Slightly more specific pop quiz.

Which is the only flag to have received royal assent, ie, legitimised on a world stage?

[Akzle]

Ahh. So the red one is for civilian use?

for vehicles registered for civilian use in international territory.

Registered at england, you understand, because they own the ocean....

[Voltaire]

alright. Slightly more specific pop quiz.

Which is the only flag to have received royal assent, ie, legitimised on a world stage?

ooh...ohhh..pick me pick me...
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/images/queens-flag-in-nz.gif?itok=U89i2as

( ok I cheated and used Google :facepalm:)

Poor old sheep looks a bit starved, is it being unloaded of a ship in Arabland?

[FJRider]

Ahh. So the red one is for civilian use?

Correct ...

[FJRider]

If the New Zealand flag IS changed ... will / can ... the red ensign and the white ensign still be used ... ???

[5ive]

Mr Akzle is winning this thread. More quizzes please.

[Moi]

Wandering through Antwerpen the other day and what should we see flying from the Antwerpen City Hall in the Grote Markt... the New Zealand flag. Despite extensive scanning, we were unable to find the Australian flag...

Can't see the Antwerpen city fathers being very pleased to want to fly some black flag which looks not too dissimilar to some pirates' flag.

[Akzle]

ooh...ohhh..pick me pick me...
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( ok I cheated and used Google :facepalm:)


cheated and still got it wrong.

Go back another 140 odd years...

[Akzle]

Mr Akzle is winning this thread. More quizzes please.

awwwkay. One just for you:

which cracker ass motherfucken race has unlawfully stolen 'nu tirene', plundered its resources and enslaved its popuation to the benefit of a few jew fucks?

Bonus points: if they're too fucken stupid to realise it, and decide to vote about a fucken flag, does that legitimise 200 years of what can politely be called 'being dicks, au'

[Voltaire]

cheated and still got it wrong.

Go back another 140 odd years...

Giz a clue, I'm just an old whity euro kunt....

Here is a painting of Hone doing the biz at Russell, nice of them to pose for the painter, must have been there for hours.

Note traditional weapons and tools. Maori were pretty quick adopters of technology.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/HekeFlagstaff.jpg

[Akzle]

Giz a clue, I'm just an old whity euro kunt....

Here is a painting of Hone doing the biz at Russell, nice of them to pose for the painter, must have been there for hours.

Note traditional weapons and tools. Maori were pretty quick adopters of technology.
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far canal, it aint hard. Try googling "the only flag to have received royal assent, new zealand"

[scumdog]

Who the fuck WANTED a new flag anyway???:oi-grr:

[Akzle]

ok, that doesnt actually work, because jewgle's, well, jews.

Try 'history of flag nz' or 'flag before te tiriti'

did find this which i thought was hilarious

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1441144659/150/12548150.jpg

[scumdog]

Giz a clue, I'm just an old whity euro kunt....

Here is a painting of Hone doing the biz at Russell, nice of them to pose for the painter, must have been there for hours.

Note traditional weapons and tools. Maori were pretty quick adopters of technology.

[/IMG]

Pfft, not that sharp in adopting technology - why didn't he just bring a crescent and undo them big bolts holding the pole up?
Far less effort than swinging a tomahawk for lordy-know how long...

[scumdog]

Why don't you use the latest one to tell us all about it?

Sneaky...very sneaky!:niceone:

[Voltaire]

Pfft, not that sharp in adopting technology - why didn't he just bring a crescent and undo them big bolts holding the pole up?
Far less effort than swinging a tomahawk for lordy-know how long...

Would you have swapped a blanket or Ponsonby for a Cresent...I'd have wanted Stahlwille or Hazet for that.

[mashman]

awwwkay. One just for you:

which cracker ass motherfucken race has unlawfully stolen 'nu tirene', plundered its resources and enslaved its popuation to the benefit of a few jew fucks?

Bonus points: if they're too fucken stupid to realise it, and decide to vote about a fucken flag, does that legitimise 200 years of what can politely be called 'being dicks, au'

Vote Akzle!

[Swoop]

Ahh. So the red one is for civilian use?
Yup.

Next fun-fact: "Dipping" the Red Ensign is a sign of nautical "etiquette" which must be responded to in kind.
The most fun you can have doing this, was back when Mrs Queen used to putter around in Britannia. Her sailors were not used to such conduct (especially from a small yacht!) and could be regularly caught unawares - having to RUN to get to the halyard to return such gestures.

[Virago]

Poll closed. Pretty conclusive I would think.

[Akzle]

Poll closed. Pretty conclusive I would think.

great. Just send it to tv3.

Better, the PMs office and let them know that kb has spoken.

:facepalm:

i hope you feel youve achieved something with this portion of your life.

[Maha]

Active Members = 1,859 and only 80 voted, the real result Ken is, most do not care.

[5ive]

Poll closed. Pretty conclusive I would think.

Yep, no need for a referendum now after that 100% accurate poll :facepalm:

Sample size much...

[Virago]

Fairy muff. :laugh:

'Tis fairly reflective of other polls.

[Big Dog]

Active Members = 1,859 and only 80 voted, the real result Ken is, most do not care.
Or that as we modernise and some voters move onto mobile phones a poll of this nature limits is reach to those still on a full computer.

Much the same as gallup pools are limited to those who answer their home phone landlines during business hours.

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[Akzle]

Or that as we modernise and some voters move onto mobile phones a poll of this nature limits is reach to those still on a full computer.

Much the same as gallup pools are limited to those who answer their home phone landlines during business hours.

Sent via tapatalk.

get a better phone. pleb.

[Tazz]

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201537/SCCZEN_A_030915SPLFLAG1_480x270.jpg

I'd vote for that given the option, and I was against spending the money on it to begin with but if it's going to be done might as well make the most of it.

The ferns look like shit, and I don't like the idea of something that most of the population couldn't easily draw. If Johnny wants a fern maybe a modern, stylized easy to draw version would have been a goer (for me anyway) although I don't think it is a great representation for our country. Maybe if it gave us fern syrup...

The Koru option I don't like either. I think it is a better symbol than the fern (aware they are both concepts from the same plant) but the option put forth doesn't resonate.

As it is I will be voting to keep our current one, which without trawling through the thread (it's probably come up) I believe is our 3rd? flag anyway.

[Big Dog]

get a better phone. pleb.
Come into the modern era dinosaur.

Sent via tapatalk.

[Akzle]

Come into the modern era dinosaur.

Sent via tapatalk.

my phone votes on polls....and sshs. and httpss and has buttons. delicious buttons.

[5ive]

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201537/SCCZEN_A_030915SPLFLAG1_480x270.jpg

I'd vote for that given the option, and I was against spending the money on it to begin with but if it's going to be done might as well make the most of it.
.

Yep, a lot of social media bandwagoners fell for that one: http://peakengineeringdesign.com/

[Tazz]

Yep, a lot of social media bandwagoners fell for that one: http://peakengineeringdesign.com/

Saw that this morning before posting. Simple design so bound to be similar ideas out there. Still like it, would still vote for it.

While we're on the topic of comparison to logos....

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/299053/social-media-backlash-over-silver-fern-logo


<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/All_Blacks_logo.svg/1280px-All_Blacks_logo.svg.png" width="500" >

<img src="http://www.crfu.co.nz/main/img/content/3968/4619/black-ferns-logo.jpg" width="500"/>

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Silver_Ferns.jpg

:facepalm:

I'm sure in about 15mins of looking I could find a few black Koru ones too.

http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/newsworthy/what-to-do-if-you-hate-all-the-flags-2015090213#axzz3lgmckpLg




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[oldrider]

I'd vote for that given the option, and I was against spending the money on it to begin with but if it's going to be done might as well make the most of it.

The ferns look like shit, and I don't like the idea of something that most of the population couldn't easily draw. If Johnny wants a fern maybe a modern, stylized easy to draw version would have been a goer (for me anyway) although I don't think it is a great representation for our country. Maybe if it gave us fern syrup...

The Koru option I don't like either. I think it is a better symbol than the fern (aware they are both concepts from the same plant) but the option put forth doesn't resonate.

As it is I will be voting to keep our current one, which without trawling through the thread (it's probably come up) I believe is our 3rd? flag anyway.

When National is in power they can fly it Blue up - when Labour is in power they can fly it Red up - I think we have been conned again! :brick:

That old two party buddy system has done it again! :facepalm: (Sorry Hitcher - I needed the picture to make my point - on second thoughts Edit:!)

[mashman]

Govt brings Red Peak bill to parliament (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29610915/greens-to-make-red-peak-bid/)... WTF. It makes a mockery of the entire process.

[Tazz]

Chocky fish says there's no change anyway.

Remember the little guy here folks, the politicians who are just trying to earn a crumb doing the hard yak that is politics :niceone:

[bogan]

Govt brings Red Peak bill to parliament (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29610915/greens-to-make-red-peak-bid/)... WTF. It makes a mockery of the entire process.

Democracy by antigovt'rs

"Why didn't you just know the answer before asking us" :facepalm:

[mashman]

Democracy by antigovt'rs

"Why didn't you just know the answer before asking us" :facepalm:

It's something, but it isn't democracy given that the short list had already been chosen... yet somewhere along the line the mystery contender gets a bill in parliament to override the initial process. From what I read a while ago, doing such costs about $3 million a pop lol. Insanity!

[bogan]

It's something, but it isn't democracy given that the short list had already been chosen... yet somewhere along the line the mystery contender gets a bill in parliament to override the initial process. From what I read a while ago, doing such costs about $3 million a pop lol. Insanity!

And in democratic fashion the shortlist can be modified. Such a process is not a mockery.

[mashman]

And in democratic fashion the shortlist can be modified. Such a process is not a mockery.

I take your point.

[gjm]

Only just seen this.

Seems the results of the poll reflect pretty much every other poll I have seen and heard about, and certainly the opinions of the people I've spoken to.

The government must know this, but obviously they're ignoring it.

So <tin foil hat> what are the government really up to??? </tin foil hat> ;)

[Voltaire]

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5703589.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/New-Zealands-weird-new-flags.jpg

Sad to see the good ones don't get railroaded thru by pressure groups.

[Katman]

Well I've decided I'm simply not going to take part in either referendum.

It will be my little way of saying "I couldn't give a fuck".

Seriously, there is far more important shit to be concerned about.

TPPA anyone?

[oldrider]

Chocky fish says there's no change anyway.

Remember the little guy here folks, the politicians who are just trying to earn a crumb doing the hard yak that is politics :niceone:

It is after all the politicians rice bowl - perhaps they are following the Israeli Mossad motto - "Make war by deception"! - I.E. "Make politics by deception"!

The deception by our politicians is distraction from more important issues! :shifty:

[Voltaire]

Well I've decided I'm simply not going to take part in either referendum.

It will be my little way of saying "I couldn't give a fuck".

Seriously, there is far more important shit to be concerned about.

TPPA anyone?

Here is how the vote will be worded.

I'd agree that its a waste of feckin time....

there are 6 flag choices, the 4 that look the same, the one nicked of some US logo and the one we have.

Only people who are interested in having a bit of shrub as a flag or a flag showing the Red of China, pushing out the whities will bother voting..... then the 25% will carry the day.

Ah democracy.....

[Oakie]

.... then the 25% will carry the day. Ah democracy.....

But near enough to 100% of the electorate will be given the option to participate. If only 25% do so, then blame those individuals who chose not to participate ... don't blame 'democracy'.

[scumdog]

Well I've decided I'm simply not going to take part in either referendum.

It will be my little way of saying "I couldn't give a fuck".

Seriously, there is far more important shit to be concerned about.

TPPA anyone?

Gotta agree with you on this one!:niceone:

[pritch]

Seriously, there is far more important shit to be concerned about.

TPPA anyone?

Nah, the TPPA is important but the critical problem facing the country is whether or not to get pandas. :whistle:

[Swoop]

Peak Engineering & Design.

They must be quite chuffed to find their company logo on a flag.

[mashman]

Nah, the TPPA is important but the critical problem facing the country is whether or not to get pandas. :whistle:

True... there's only so much pandamonium a country can take.

[Berries]

They must be quite chuffed to find their company logo on a flag.
I know I was when I came here from the UK.

[oldrider]

Still prefer to keep the flag that we have - could maybe make the colours a little richer - nothing worse than a tatty flag hanging like a limp dick on a pole! :rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

But near enough to 100% of the electorate will be given the option to participate. If only 25% do so, then blame those individuals who chose not to participate ... don't blame 'democracy'.

The best case of Democracy in action I ever saw was on a building site in Sydney in the 80's.

Issue was that a painter has supposedly got a slight shock from some wires.

Site meeting with the Unions was carried out.

The Northern Irish Electrical Delegate and the Painters Delegate talked and talked and talked until the crowd thinned out and then had a vote

Surprise surprise , we were all out on strike for a week.

That's how Democracy works, you bore the majority and get your bill/issue voted in.

Apathy, the greatest tool in the National Party arsenal.

Its about time they went to On-Line voting as this bullshit of going to the local school is pretty dated......oh no don't want that do they, useless Feckers.

[Akzle]

Its about time they went to On-Line voting as this bullshit of going to the local school is pretty dated......oh no don't want that do they, useless Feckers.

but then you have the problem of mavis and ted (Old People (tm)) who dont have a newfangled interweb and never will,

but once all the old people are dead, innt no cunt gonna be left to vote for national anyway.

[Madness]

Its about time they went to On-Line voting as this bullshit of going to the local school is pretty dated......oh no don't want that do they, useless Feckers.

The cunts are only just now letting you enrol online rather than try and find an actual fecking Post Orifice. Even then though, still got to fill out the form and scan it to PDF. Cunts.

[mashman]

Its about time they went to On-Line voting as this bullshit of going to the local school is pretty dated......oh no don't want that do they, useless Feckers.

TECHNOLOGY & ELECTION FRAUD RESEARCH (http://www.votescam.org/the_evidence)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvWnndh-N0

You'll be wasting your time voting, well, more than usual that is, should we go completely digital.

[Voltaire]

TECHNOLOGY & ELECTION FRAUD RESEARCH (http://www.votescam.org/the_evidence)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVvWnndh-N0

You'll be wasting your time voting, well, more than usual that is, should we go completely digital.

But that's America, I meant Democracies. America is all about buying you way into power....unlike AU and NZ PM's ......hmmmmm...

[mashman]

But that's America, I meant Democracies. America is all about buying you way into power....unlike AU and NZ PM's ......hmmmmm...

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa... everything is awesome.

[Tazz]

It is after all the politicians rice bowl - perhaps they are following the Israeli Mossad motto - "Make war by deception"! - I.E. "Make politics by deception"!

The deception by our politicians is distraction from more important issues! :shifty:

Yeah that's about right! You're tin hat wearing to say so though you know :laugh:


Here is how the vote will be worded.

I'd agree that its a waste of feckin time....

there are 6 flag choices, the 4 that look the same, the one nicked of some US logo and the one we have.

Only people who are interested in having a bit of shrub as a flag or a flag showing the Red of China, pushing out the whities will bother voting..... then the 25% will carry the day.

Ah democracy.....

Cracks me up the spin going on about that. The Fern is a logo FFS :facepalm:

[TheDemonLord]

Its about time they went to On-Line voting as this bullshit of going to the local school is pretty dated......oh no don't want that do they, useless Feckers.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marblecakealsothegame

[TheDemonLord]

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa... everything is awesome.

Everything is cool when your part of a Team!

(I fucking love that Movie - got it on BluRay)

[oldrider]

but then you have the problem of mavis and ted (Old People (tm)) who dont have a newfangled interweb and never will,

but once all the old people are dead, innt no cunt gonna be left to vote for national anyway.

Ouch - I think I am feeling a little sick. - :sick: - but .......... Chances are it's probably the reverse of your speculation - the Mavis & Ted's mostly vote Labour! :blip:

[Akzle]

The cunts are only just now letting you enrol online rather than try and find an actual fecking Post Orifice. Even then though, still got to fill out the form and scan it to PDF. Cunts.

unless you're microchipped. Err// RealMe...

[Voltaire]

Red Peak makes the British Papers :lol:

So you get 4 of them hey presto a DIY Nazi flag....those NZ First MP's are sure on to it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkzvWCUkAAsi_p.jpg

[mashman]

Red Peak makes the British Papers :lol:

So you get 4 of them hey presto a DIY Nazi flag....those NZ First MP's are sure on to it.



I'll have that flag please.

[Voltaire]

I'll have that flag please.

maybe with the Greens supporting it and the Nats being in...National Socialism ...sounds somewhat familiar...

You'll need to buy 4, comes as a set.

[mashman]

maybe with the Greens supporting it and the Nats being in...National Socialism ...sounds somewhat familiar...

You'll need to buy 4, comes as a set.

We should have the swastika, as pictured, as the flag. It'd be great for bringing in tourists from countries that still use the symbol for good luck... and keep the bigots out ;).

[Maha]

We should have the swastika, as pictured, as the flag. It'd be great for bringing in tourists from countries that still use the symbol for good luck... and keep the bigots out ;).

...and before each National Anthem, the word Achtung will be heard over the PA system.

[Voltaire]

We should have the swastika, as pictured, as the flag. It'd be great for bringing in tourists from countries that still use the symbol for good luck... and keep the bigots out ;).

Here is one for the experts,
Where was this picture taken
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/7c/14/65/backwards-swastika.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Here is one for the experts,
Where was this picture taken


Copenhagen - Carlsburg Centre I believe ...

[Tazz]

Pretty stoked to see they have time for arts and crafts there. Got to keep the creative juices flowing.

See the shit about it being the same (if you change it) as a sentry box too? Fucking gold :laugh:

[Tazz]

Out of interest, what happens if the Koru or Fern is chosen in regards to copyright?

I'm certain the gubberment takes ownership of the copyright of whatever flag represents the country, and therefore controls how it is used and I'm almost certain there will be restrictions in place limiting the use of a nations flag for private enterprise.
Will all those within NZ using a fern or koru in their logo potentially have to bend over for the big people and change, would it be granted for them to use their existing logos and but no one else is allowed to in future, or is it actually a non event and you can use our national flag in your logo without any repercussions or permission?

If the one most like the NZRU logo is chosen, would the NZRU have a case against the government, or would it be the other way where the powers can be can actually turn around and force THEM to change their logo?

[Oakie]

maybe with the Greens supporting it and the Nats being in...National Socialism ...sounds somewhat familiar... .

Well if that happens perhaps we'll get a 'Final Solution' to the Treaty settlements.

[Akzle]

Out of interest, what happens if the Koru or Fern is chosen in regards to copyright?

I'm certain the gubberment takes ownership of the copyright of whatever flag represents the country, and therefore controls how it is used and I'm almost certain there will be restrictions in place limiting the use of a nations flag for private enterprise.
Will all those within NZ using a fern or koru in their logo potentially have to bend over for the big people and change, would it be granted for them to use their existing logos and but no one else is allowed to in future, or is it actually a non event and you can use our national flag in your logo without any repercussions or permission?

If the one most like the NZRU logo is chosen, would the NZRU have a case against the government, or would it be the other way where the powers can be can actually turn around and force THEM to change their logo?

:whocares:


but no. They use legislative instruments to depict/note a 'flag'. There are rules and restrictions (obviosuly) look it up.


but i thought branding what wha this whole exercycle was about.

[Woodman]

http://www.nzrugby.co.nz/img/nzrugby-logo.png

[Akzle]

Well if that happens perhaps we'll get a 'Final Solution' to the Treaty settlements.

it's on my to do list. niggers, jews, crackers to the left, humans to the right...

[Swoop]

Here is one for the experts,
Where was this picture taken

At one of the world's finest tasting establishments!

[Virago]

Out of interest, what happens if the Koru or Fern is chosen in regards to copyright?

I'm certain the gubberment takes ownership of the copyright of whatever flag represents the country, and therefore controls how it is used and I'm almost certain there will be restrictions in place limiting the use of a nations flag for private enterprise.
Will all those within NZ using a fern or koru in their logo potentially have to bend over for the big people and change, would it be granted for them to use their existing logos and but no one else is allowed to in future, or is it actually a non event and you can use our national flag in your logo without any repercussions or permission?

If the one most like the NZRU logo is chosen, would the NZRU have a case against the government, or would it be the other way where the powers can be can actually turn around and force THEM to change their logo?

I've seen something similar happen.

I worked for a company with sign-written vehicles, which used predominant blue and orange stripes - a style they had used since the 70s. Then the police changed their cars to precisely the same colours, with a similar broken stripe pattern. Suddenly, we had the police's attention - I had my own approach from a police officer concerned about my vehicle appearance. Soon after our sign-writing was changed - big brother won.

[Banditbandit]

Well if that happens perhaps we'll get a 'Final Solution' to the Treaty settlements.

What ???? "Whitey" to the gas chambers ??? Then we get out country back !!!


(before you all get offended - JOKE people )

Ka katikati koutou .. (means: Laugh you lot ...)

[Oakie]

What ???? "Whitey" to the gas chambers ??? Then we get out country back !!!

(before you all get offended - JOKE people )

Ka katikati koutou .. (means: Laugh you lot ...)

Katikati means 'laugh'? My old boss just bought a house there. I wonder if he knows.

[Big Dog]

Katikati means 'laugh'? My old boss just bought a house there. I wonder if he knows.

Growing up on a steady diet of Billy T I always thought Maori for laugh was Huhuhu.:pinch:

[P38]

Growing up on a steady diet of Billy T I always thought Maori for laugh was Huhuhu.:pinch:

Nope

It's tee hee hee ;)

Cheers
Pete

[granstar]

Red Peak makes the British Papers :lol:

So you get 4 of them hey presto a DIY Nazi flag....those NZ First MP's are sure on to it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkzvWCUkAAsi_p.jpg


FYI ...:apint:The swastika is a very old symbol with use widespread throughout the world, pagan days, Sometimes referred to as a “Gammadion” “Hakenkreuz” or a “Flyfot,” it traditionally had been a sign of good fortune and well being The word “swastika” is derived from the Sanskrit “su” meaning “well” and “asti” meaning “being.”

Chur - Bro...both places of Switzerland :buggerd: