Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

[MD]

I must be getting heartless as I get older but I am struggling to see why Europe feels it has to allow hundreds of thousands of people from other countries/continent to wander in and take up residence because their home country is horrible and expect to be sustained by the host. Don't get me wrong, life must be terrifying and miserable in places like Syria and ..well lets just say most of the middle east and north Africa and it's human nature to try and save your life and family and flee.

BUT. Does that give them the right to transfer their problems on to a neighbour? And that's what will eventually happen. Quality of life in Europe will suffer from the burden. I feel we are seeing a knee-jerk reaction to the media shock-horror stories to allow the first million in now, without considering where this ends and what about the next million who will be encouraged to follow, and so on. These migrants will struggle to find work, already short in some parts of EU. These migrants will not be able to sustain themselves so the host country is going to find itself paying to feed, cloth, house, educate and give health care to people already probably not the healthiest. BUT wait there's more. You don't have to support the first million. You are taking on that generation and then you have to support their 6 to 8 kids on average they have, so assume 1m becomes 6m in 20 years, which becomes 36m 20 years later. Then you have the fact that most are Muslims who will in time expect the host to bend to their unreasonable practices. We could discuss this aspect alone for years on here. There is no test of the character of the people coming in. Many could be scum bag semi retired anti-the west terrorists, murderers whatever.
I just worry that EU is opening a Pandora's box it will never be able to close or fix. Sadly, the problems at home must be fixed so these people can return to their homelands. UK PM Cameron said it the other night on the News, "I don't think there is an answer to this problem"

The current approach seems to be, lets leave the front door open and see what comes in and hope it's all good. I doubt it will be.

[jasonu]

I must be getting heartless as I get older but I am struggling to see why Europe feels it has to allow hundreds of thousands of people from other countries/continent to wander in and take up residence because their home country is horrible and expect to be sustained by the host. Don't get me wrong, life must be terrifying and miserable in places like Syria and ..well lets just say most of the middle east and north Africa and it's human nature to try and save your life and family and flee.

BUT. Does that give them the right to transfer their problems on to a neighbour? And that's what will eventually happen. Quality of life in Europe will suffer from the burden. I feel we are seeing a knee-jerk reaction to the media shock-horror stories to allow the first million in now, without considering where this ends and what about the next million who will be encouraged to follow, and so on. These migrants will struggle to find work, already short in some parts of EU. These migrants will not be able to sustain themselves so the host country is going to find itself paying to feed, cloth, house, educate and give health care to people already probably not the healthiest. BUT wait there's more. You don't have to support the first million. You are taking on that generation and then you have to support their 6 to 8 kids on average they have, so assume 1m becomes 6m in 20 years, which becomes 36m 20 years later. Then you have the fact that most are Muslims who will in time expect the host to bend to their unreasonable practices. We could discuss this aspect alone for years on here. There is no test of the character of the people coming in. Many could be scum bag semi retired anti-the west terrorists, murderers whatever.
I just worry that EU is opening a Pandora's box it will never be able to close or fix. Sadly, the problems at home must be fixed so these people can return to their homelands. UK PM Cameron said it the other night on the News, "I don't think there is an answer to this problem"

The current approach seems to be, lets leave the front door open and see what comes in and hope it's all good. I doubt it will be.

I am a bit confused by the whole thing. The reports I see on TV are that Hungary are preventing the riffos that are already in their country from getting on trains to Germany. I would have thought Hungary would be encouraging them to piss off to somewhere else.
Now I see on tonights news boat loads of them heading for Greece, a country that is barely able to feed its own.
Don't worry though, NZ will offer to host shit loads of them to add to the countries 'cultural diversity'...

[awa355]

+1. I agree entirely. Already they are fighting with the authorities demanding the right to go virtually where ever they want. I can understand they want something better, but as a BBC article points out, why aren't the neighbouring Muslem countries taking them?.

Counties like Kuwait, Saudi, Qatar and the UAE are closing their doors to these syrian refugee's? or illegal migrants?.

[george formby]

Pertinent article in the Independent today. Robert Fisk asks why the refugees don't try to get to the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates etc. It's a rhetorical question.

I'm trying to avoid thinking about it to much. Dreading to hear about the first migrant boat packed with explosives going off, the first lethal riot, an epidemic breaking out.

See what I mean? To scary to contemplate.

No doubt climate and war will cause famine leading to migration for many more millions in the next few years.

IIRC, a few years ago, a Mullah in Europe, Holland I think, said that we cannot beat the West with bullets and bombs but we can crush you with the numbers of our people. Or words to that effect.

It's not a good time to brush up on history, scary.

[oldrider]

All of this is a result of American / Israeli / Saudi Arabian foreign policies and actions - let all those poor people go where the problem originated from!

Plenty of room on the Bush family lawn? :blip: - they certainly appear to be keeping a discretely low profile while all this reaction is raging. :rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

How does Mr Assad fund a Civil War with what must be a totally broken economy? and ok, ISIS must be selling a bit of oil and the loot they are destroying but running wars are not cheap?

I suppose the answer is a combination of USA,Russia,Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel.....

[scrivy]

How does Mr Assad fund a Civil War with what must be a totally broken economy? and ok, ISIS must be selling a bit of oil and the loot they are destroying but running wars are not cheap?

I suppose the answer is a combination of USA,Russia,Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel.....

Oh, oh, I know...... maybe it's Belgium....?????!!!!

Afterall, they've brought billions of US treasury bonds......... :lol:

They've obviously got money for Africa........ :rolleyes:

[Fastmark]

All of this is a result of American / Israeli / Saudi Arabian foreign policies and actions - let all those poor people go where the problem originated from!

Plenty of room on the Bush family lawn? :blip: - they certainly appear to be keeping a discretely low profile while all this reaction is raging. :rolleyes:

Bang on. The USA's Allies (read prostitutes, UK/France etc.) are facing the tide of human misery brought about partially by the medaling of the USA. The fact its a bit of a boat ride to get there from the likes of Syria is the only reason the states is not facing the same issue.

Base the number of refugees a country has to take based on the level of their involvement in the various wars.....guess who would have to take the most:whistle:

[Akzle]

BUT. Does that give them the right to transfer their problems on to a neighbour?
are you not your brother's keeper?

what a cunt. gtfo my planet.


Quality of life in Europe will suffer from the burden.... These migrants will not be able to sustain themselves so the host country is going to find itself paying to feed, cloth, house, educate and give health care

spot the limiting factor... (hint starts with jews, ends up with global enslavement mechanism)


Then you have the fact that most are Muslims who will in time expect the host to bend to their unreasonable practices.

ahh yes. that fact....:scratch:
//wait, where is that fact again?



There is no test of the character of the people coming in. Many could be scum bag semi retired anti-the west terrorists, murderers whatever.

and they're different from the home grown semi retired scum bag retirees, or murderers and errorists, quite how?

...because if there's ever two groups of people i lump together it's retirees and terrorists.

(asides, if you want a FACT, NZ does actually have a character requirement (something to the effect of "stop being such a sand nigger and buy a kebab shop"))


I just worry that EU is opening a Pandora's box it will never be able to close or fix. Sadly, the problems at home must be fixed so these people can return to their homelands. UK PM Cameron said it the other night on the News, "I don't think there is an answer to this problem"

a bitee shame they didn't think about that before spending FUCKING BILLIONS BOMBING THE PRICKS OUT OF THEIR FUCKEN COUNTRY, THEN

...innit?


+1. I agree entirely. Already they are fighting with the authorities demanding the right to go virtually where ever they want. I can understand they want something better, but as a BBC article points out, why aren't the neighbouring Muslem countries taking them?.
possibly something called "polical assylum" where, they're not happy with the dictatorship the west installed in their home country...

and once they have political assylum, they CAN go anywhere they want... in the EU. one of the benefits of EU membership.


All of this is a result of American / Israeli / Saudi Arabian foreign policies and actions - let all those poor people go where the problem originated from!

Plenty of room on the Bush family lawn? :blip: - they certainly appear to be keeping a discretely low profile while all this reaction is raging. :rolleyes:

fucken aye.

here's a fucken idea whitey, why not sign a treaty with them, then give away all the land... :blip::blip: :laugh::laugh:

shoe... foot.

((plagarised from the news reader on radio live. tu meke, bitch!))

[Swoop]

Who are the intelligent people in the process? The people smugglers.

Why?
They buy, steal, capture, go to Somalia nd get for free, any form of boat.
Load it up with people who will not fight for their own country and charge them $$$'s to go to Europe.
- At this point they get even smarter.
Only take them a quarter of the way to WopLand and then leave them to their own devices.
WopLand "rescues" the passengers.
- Italy fucks up here.
Instead of returning the people to Libya (point of embarkation) they then take them to ...?

The people smugglers started by using a lot of fuel to almost get into WopLand, but are now saving on the cost of overheads.


As we all know, the ONLY danger in all of this is the fact that NOT ONE of the boats are fitted with Hi-Viz vests'.

[MD]

are you not your brother's keeper?

what a . gtfo my planet.



spot the limiting factor... (hint starts with jews, ends up with global enslavement mechanism)



ahh yes. that fact....:scratch:
//wait, where is that fact again?




I've never meet your brother. Anyway, why can't your brother get a hair cut and a job like your big brother Bob?

Facts? You haven't noticed lots of news stories over the last few years about Muslims fighting their generous host Govts for their rights to wear burqas, treat women lower than dogs, stop traffic outside their mosques for prayer sessions and the like?

[neels]

Judging by the lack of recent news reports, the Australians appear to have solved the problem they were having with boat people to a degree, shipping them to an 'immigration centre' on a shithole island that regularly runs out of everything, thereby removing the perception that there is a better life to be had by attempting to get to Australia.

There must be a spare bit of Russia that's not being used for anything in particular.....

Yes it would cost money, but probably no more than the current goings on, and if they really do fear for the lives of them and their families it would surely still be a better option than staying where they are?

[TheDemonLord]

I have several opinions on this issue:

When our fellow humans are in need - is it not our duty to help?
But also is it not the duty of our fellow humans to fix the mess that (and lets be honest here) they created/let grow?
One thing that I do agree with is why move to the west, when there are plenty of countries that are much more aligned in terms of Religon, Culture, Language etc. - Is it because those countries refuse to let them in or would defend their borders using force whereas the west won't? or is it because the refugees want to 'trade-up' as it were.
An article I saw on a news report did also make me think - it showed in Greece that the migrants were being asked by the Police to pick up rubbish, those that refused were in prison - it seems to me that if you were genuinely fleeing for your life and were seeking safe haven in another country, and all that was asked of you was to pick up some litter - it would be the least bit of gratitude you could show. This leads onto the next thought that perhaps some are using this as a smokescreen to emigrate to the West.

Final thought - and this is based around the image of the Drowned boy - in the west we have become rather scared of Death - and I ask this: Would you rather see a Dead Boy drowned by trying to escape or a Dead Boy killed by Shrapnel by trying to help?

There is a quote concerning one of the British Raids on a German prison (in WW2) that has always resonated with me:


It was said the Resistance fighters would rather die from British bombs than German bullets.

That it is better to do something (even if it means negative consequences) than to be idle, and let others dirty their hands.

[Akzle]

I've never meet your brother. Anyway, why can't your brother get a hair cut and a job like your big brother Bob?
YOUR brother-man.

Apparently... There aren't enough jobs to go around :laugh:

or, y'know, they need unemployed people to balance the books... But you know, a good reason either way.


Facts? You haven't noticed lots of news stories over the last few years about Muslims fighting their generous host Govts for their rights to wear burqas, treat women lower than dogs, stop traffic outside their mosques for prayer sessions and the like?

no. I dont pay much attention to the news on account of the overwhelming amount of horseshit.

But i do know a stack of moslems.

And women should never have been given the 'right' to vote.

[oldrider]

Judging by the lack of recent news reports, the Australians appear to have solved the problem they were having with boat people to a degree, shipping them to an 'immigration centre' on a shithole island that regularly runs out of everything, thereby removing the perception that there is a better life to be had by attempting to get to Australia.

There must be a spare bit of Russia that's not being used for anything in particular.....

Yes it would cost money, but probably no more than the current goings on, and if they really do fear for the lives of them and their families it would surely still be a better option than staying where they are?

America is currently busy trying to start a war with Russia as you speak - not much use sending them there - they will be coming back with interest soon! :thud:

[Voltaire]

America is currently busy trying to start a war with Russia as you speak - not much use sending them there - they will be coming back with interest soon! :thud:

Why would anyone start a war with Russia. Two of the best armies of the day took on Russia and lost.

I wonder if they got rid of borders where would everyone go....

[Grumph]

[QUOTE=Akzle;

...because if there's ever two groups of people i lump together it's retirees and terrorists.)[/QUOTE]

Good god man, the only person i can frighten in my retirement is myself......
mind you, i'll fight for the last "aged person's" car park....A sharpened gold card can be deadly.

[neels]

America is currently busy trying to start a war with Russia as you speak - not much use sending them there - they will be coming back with interest soon! :thud:
Yes, but the immigrants aren't going to america, they're going to Europe to get away from the shitfight that america has created with their political shenanigans. America can do this as they know that the fallout is not going to wash up on their shores, so they keep playing political and economic games to keep the oil price down to maintain their consumerist society.

Get some French patrol boats protecting the coast of Europe, they'll shoot the fuck out of anyone who's not legit, harsh times call for harsh measures.

[jonbuoy]

Yes, but the immigrants aren't going to america, they're going to Europe to get away from the shitfight that america has created with their political shenanigans. America can do this as they know that the fallout is not going to wash up on their shores, so they keep playing political and economic games to keep the oil price down to maintain their consumerist society.

Get some French patrol boats protecting the coast of Europe, they'll shoot the fuck out of anyone who's not legit, harsh times call for harsh measures.

Yeah exactly it's a bloody liberty - how am I supposed to enjoy my Gelato on the beach when I can see this out the corner of my eye.

[awa355]

Yeah exactly it's a bloody liberty - how am I supposed to enjoy my Gelato on the beach when I can see this out the corner of my eye.

When I saw that image on a news site, I wondered if it wasn't a staged set up.

[jonbuoy]

I doubt it - bodies floating all over that part of the Med at the moment.

[Akzle]

I doubt it - bodies floating all over that part of the Med at the moment.

that one aint floating :laugh:

also. Unlikely it'd wash up, feet first and laid out like that.

But hey. Boohoo. One dead child on the news. What next, kittens? Lawdy lawdy, not kittens!

[neels]

But hey. Boohoo. One dead child on the news. What next, kittens? Lawdy lawdy, not kittens!
Not the kittens!

But slightly more seriously, this is a bunch of muslim people escaping a muslim country because muslim people have fucked it up for them, so they can try and claim asylum in selected EU countries so they can complain when they get there about how they are not accommodating enough of muslim people.

Don't see them queueing up to get into slovakia, probably because they realise that there will be a lot less tolerance for there religious whinging there.

But hey, lets not get anything get in the way of a good media beat up.

[jonbuoy]

that one aint floating :laugh:

also. Unlikely it'd wash up, feet first and laid out like that.

But hey. Boohoo. One dead child on the news. What next, kittens? Lawdy lawdy, not kittens!

You are one fucked up individual. Surely nobody can be as unpleasant as you in real life?

[R650R]

This is all being deliberately engineered via various mechanisms.
The end goal (of the Elite) is the abolition of tradition nation state and tribal based identities and cultures via a giant melting pot of mass immigration across the globe of various cultures.
Once you have erased the base record of what was minimum cultural standards and working conditions then you have a corporate utopia of a world wide minimum wage workforce.
First they got rid of unions then awhile later introduced individual employment contracts cause that's better they say.... and erased trade barriers cause that's better they say....
Next various minority groups from cyclists, environmentalists to all of the alternative gender options were given 'equal' rights further eroding societies traditional boundries....
To what we have now where there is no significant majority of the population that is cohesive enough to resist draconian changes or erasing or rights.
Just look at NZ, Maori used to be a big player in our political decisions and issues and the govt has given them billions of dollars in compensation but how much do Maori decisions impact daily life in NZ for the average European NZ'er???
Very little in comparison to the massive influx of Asian and UK money via mass immigration which is directly causing our housing crisis....

Migration is a good thing, it brings new skills, cultures and triggers new ideas, but it must be in a controlled way. Most of the foreign people I've worked with have been great workers, skilled and easy to get on with.
We are an entire nation of migrants...
But just ask yourself why are they suddenly making a big deal about this in the media, bet that kid isn't the first migrant child to drown on boat crossing gone wrong.... The repeat saturation coverga eof this doesn't fit with normal news cycles....

[5ive]

I think the title of the thread sums it up: Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

A. WEST

The solution to many of life's problems is usually found by studying and identifying the source of the problem.

In this case, the origin of the migrants.

Geographical region, climate, religion, war, religion-war, resources, birth rates, economy.
Taking them in won't fix the problem, they'll just keep coming.

Quite a few of them also appear to be economic migrants...

Maybe the rest of the world should start investing heavily into the regions of origin as a source of cheap labour, similar to what happened in China/India?

Money usually works better than ammunition.

[george formby]

I think the title of the thread sums it up: Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

A. WEST

The solution to many of life's problems is usually found by studying and identifying the source of the problem.

In this case, the origin of the migrants.

Geographical region, climate, religion, war, religion-war, resources, birth rates, economy.
Taking them in won't fix the problem, they'll just keep coming.

Quite a few of them also appear to be economic migrants...

Maybe the rest of the world should start investing heavily into the regions of origin as a source of cheap labour, similar to what happened in China/India?

Money usually works better than ammunition.

Mmm. Concur. But I think it's the ammunition that's generating the money. The money has blinded the west to Islams intentions. I'm not talking about the refugees but the motive of the war mongers and their financial backers..... and military supporters. What we see now has been on the cards since WW1, carving up the Middle East like a pig. Unforgivable to the inhabitants. Islam, well, Islamic puppet masters have an agenda to conquer. The innocent people looking for asylum will have children who will fight back against the intolerance they face wherever in Europe they settle, a growing right wing fueled by nationalism. The puppet masters armies. As I said earlier, it's a bad time to read history but this is a crusade on a generational scale. 100 years in the making and not going away anytime soon.
It's not religious, that's just a tool. It's business, economics. A billion or more brain washed civilians is a great base for power and wealth.
Just sayin. IMHO.

[5ive]

Haha, I think I just repeated most of the sentiment of what you've already said, sorry!

I did read this thread before heading off to do some work, then had a couple of beers and revisited it. Must of stuck in my brain :drinknsin

I had previously been following what has been happening in Germany, and the stops along the way, so the economic factors seemed important. The wealthy Arab nations in the region are not doing anything (as usual).

The solution is obviously hard, but the amount of money that will be spent on these people will be massive.

Might be a good opportunity for strong political leadership to emerge, will be interesting to see who it helps.

Tough times ahead...

[Akzle]

Not the kittens!

But slightly more seriously, this is a bunch of muslim people escaping a muslim country because muslim people have fucked it up for them, so they can try and claim asylum in selected EU countries so they can complain when they get there about how they are not accommodating enough of muslim people.



say muslim one more time.... G'wan.....


And i think you'll find than not-muslim people have contributed significantly to this round of 'fucking their country up'

[Akzle]

Mmm. Concur. But I think it's the ammunition that's generating the money. The money has blinded the west to Islams intentions. I'm not talking about the refugees but the motive of the war mongers and their financial backers..... and military supporters. What we see now has been on the cards since WW1, carving up the Middle East like a pig. Unforgivable to the inhabitants. Islam, well, Islamic puppet masters have an agenda to conquer. The innocent people looking for asylum will have children who will fight back against the intolerance they face wherever in Europe they settle, a growing right wing fueled by nationalism. The puppet masters armies. As I said earlier, it's a bad time to read history but this is a crusade on a generational scale. 100 years in the making and not going away anytime soon.
It's not religious, that's just a tool. It's business, economics. A billion or more brain washed civilians is a great base for power and wealth.
Just sayin. IMHO.

replace 'islam' with 'jew' then have a look at what drives the society around you, how it 'functions'...

[jasonu]

Don't worry though, NZ will offer to host shit loads of them to add to the countries 'cultural diversity'...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11508218

[Voltaire]

Where is the list of Muslim countries offering to help out their Islamic brethren, Surely Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC countries could take a huge amount.

I can't say if there was a war here I'd be rushing off to Indonesia.

[oldrider]

Where is the list of Muslim countries offering to help out their Islamic brethren, Surely Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC countries could take a huge amount.

I can't say if there was a war here I'd be rushing off to Indonesia.

America can start a war anywhere - all they need is two people to disagree - and if they don't - then they will create the disagreement! :psst: - Kiev?

[scumdog]

and they're different from the home grown semi retired scum bag retirees, or murderers and errorists, quite how?

f
You almost seem to be making a point we don't have enough 'home grown semi-retired scum bag retirees or murderers and errorists' already?

I think we DO have enough so why import more? (Probably with 'Made in China' build quality)

Oh, and in not so many years I'll join the ranks of 'semi retired scum bag retirees', enjoy!!:bleh:

[Akzle]

You almost seem to be making a point we don't have enough 'home grown semi-retired scum bag retirees or murderers and errorists' already?
i wasnt making that point at all.

I think we DO have enough so why import more? (Probably with 'Made in China' build quality)

somebody should be tasked with doing something about that <_<

[Woodman]

Too many people. Not enough resources. Simple as that.

The same shit has been happening since creatures walked/slithered/swam on Earth.

The natural balance is all out of kilta(spelling), and our big brains that got us into this shit aren't clever enough to get us out of it.:brick:

[DamianW]

I'm sure NZ has prospered from the 750 per year the country has taken in for however long. Is allowing more in a social/economic problem or an opportunity?

[Akzle]

Too many people. Not enough resources. Simple as that.

The same shit has been happening since creatures walked/slithered/swam on Earth.
except thats not a fact at all.

The natural balance is all out of kilta(spelling), and our big brains that got us into this shit aren't clever enough to get us out of it.:brick:

kilter - /ˈkɪltə/ noun 1. out of harmony or balance.

[J.A.W.]

I'd reckon it is modern version of "The Peoples Crusade" - but in reverse..

Those reffo's are coming to "The Promised Land" ( Europe) on the take.. - as a sly jihad..

[Swoop]

Where is the list of Muslim countries offering to help out their Islamic brethren, Surely Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC countries could take a huge amount.

They are particularly silent...

[scrivy]

Where is the list of Muslim countries offering to help out their Islamic brethren, Surely Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC countries could take a huge amount.


With their differences in religions, I doubt it....

[DamianW]

Religion is only part of it. There's massive differences in cultural (Arabs / non Arabs) and political beliefs in the region. Neighbour Head of States especially the ruling Saudi's would be concerned about destabilising effects of mass importation (potential radicals...).

[scumdog]

I'd reckon it is modern version of "The Peoples Crusade" - but in reverse..

Those reffo's are coming to "The Promised Land" ( Europe) on the take.. - as a sly jihad..

Yes, in some cases (nut cases?) you are probably correct.

[FJRider]

Where is the list of Muslim countries offering to help out their Islamic brethren, Surely Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC countries could take a huge amount.

I can't say if there was a war here I'd be rushing off to Indonesia.

All of the Muslim secular groups ... are as varied in their beliefs and policy ... as all the Christian secular groups.

The ruling party's in those countries do not always agree with THEIR views ... and often go to great lengths to remove the problem.

[FJRider]

I can't say if there was a war here I'd be rushing off to Indonesia.

Have you ever BEEN there ... ??

[pete376403]

The picture of the dead little boy being carried ashore was tragic, but in the DomPost on the opposite page was the report about the Palmerston North fire where a child died as well - any less tragic? We need to be fixing up our own problems first.
Also taking refugees is not going to fix the cause of the refugee problem. The shithole that is Syria & Iraq, and the shitheads causing the problems - ISIL/Daesh and Assad need to be fixed first, and the refugees will, if not stop, then at least reduce in number.

[Katman]

Also taking refugees is not going to fix the cause of the refugee problem.

It may not fix the cause but it's the least we can do.

[FJRider]

i wasnt making that point at all.

I'm glad you had a point ... but it did escape me at the time ... :shutup:


somebody should be tasked with doing something about that <_<

The whole country will decide who ... when FREE medical attention becomesc unavailable due to population increase's from refugee migration .... :pinch:


Which will people prefer ... 26 million (plus costs) for the investigation of the possibility of a new flag ... or the acceptance of a few hundred more refugee immigrants ... :scratch:

[FJRider]

The picture of the dead little boy being carried ashore was tragic, but in the DomPost on the opposite page was the report about the Palmerston North fire where a child died as well - any less tragic? We need to be fixing up our own problems first.


Parents fitting smoke alarms in THEIR childrens bedrooms ... will not affect (nor reduce/remove) the number of refugee's ...

[eldog]

Parents fitting smoke alarms in THEIR childrens bedrooms ... will not affect (nor reduce/remove) the number of refugee's ...

tragic loss for NZ parents

gotta stop my kids smoking in their bedroom :eek:

they could adopt a refo :shifty:

Myself I don't think we need refugees, we have enough to worry about, need more jobs here in NZ

Crisis in Europe was happening years ago. Remember the Eastern block orphans, The Poles travelling to the UK and Ireland looking for jobs that the local people didn't want?
This has just spread across to the middle east. Unrest in countries that USED to have dictatorships who kept rule. Not necessarily the best way.

Europe isn't a land of milk and honey, just to these people it is.

What would happen if they were sent back?

I don't have the answer.

[FJRider]

Myself I don't think we need refugees, we have enough to worry about, need more jobs here in NZ

I don't think we need them either ... and we still have to decide on what flag to change to ... (if WE decide we do need to change it)


Crisis in Europe was happening years ago. Remember the Eastern block orphans, The Poles travelling to the UK and Ireland looking for jobs that the local people didn't want?
This has just spread across to the middle east. Unrest in countries that USED to have dictatorships who kept rule. Not necessarily the best way.

Plenty of jobs in NZ ... NZ'rs dont want. We don't need a dictator ... we have John ...


Europe isn't a land of milk and honey, just to these people it is.

Plenty of milk here in NZ ... we just can't afford to buy any ... and honey isn't the Bee's knees either ... (see what I did there) ..


What would happen if they were sent back?

The difficult options would then be considered by them ... easy options are not always best. Most in NZ have no idea what they can look forward to ... either in the refugee camps or in their homeland. Is the sight of dead kids lying dead on a beach ... helping or hindering the real problem ... ?? (like why they tried to leave and climbed on those boats)

Remember ... the father of that dead boy PAID $5000 Euro's to get on that boat. (hardly a penniless citizen then)



I don't have the answer.

Plenty in NZ say the same ...

Like it or not ... some things we (as a nation) cannot change.

Some we do may help a few though ... ask them if they appreciate it ...

[caspernz]

Looks like a two-pronged approach is needed.

Work to solving the problem in the refugees' home territories, and help accommodate the displaced in the meantime.

And since it could be argued the yanks had a fair part in stirring this crisis into action, is it fair to expect them to take the lead in a resolution?

[eldog]

I don't think we need them either ... and we still have to decide on what flag to change to

Plenty of jobs in NZ
Plenty of milk here in NZ ... we just can't afford to buy any ... and honey isn't the Bee's knees
The difficult options would then be considered by them ... easy options are not always best. Most in NZ have no idea what they can look forward to ... either in the refugee camps or in their homeland. Is the sight of dead kids lying dead on a beach ... helping or hindering the real problem ... ?? (like why they tried to leave and climbed on those boats)
Remember ... the father of that dead boy PAID $5000 Euro's to get on that boat. (hardly a penniless citizen then)
Plenty in NZ say the same ..
Like it or not ... some things we (as a nation) cannot change
Some we do may help a few though ... ask them if they appreciate it ...
are we changing the flag? black flag background white skull with ferns as cross underneath?
I have no idea we were doing that. I think we could have a more vibrant flag - how does that affect all those people who served/fought under our current one.
If we reduced the number of crims there would be large amount of 'secure' housing units available with'social workers' built in.
Any refugees who have trade skills would be accepted, only problem the extended family rock up as well, who usually dont integrate with the greater community.
Media beatup - Dont use the dead kid arguement with me. Everyone is equal.
Simple - Stop the boats at point of departure. get them to land boat unload and then sink it.
if they sink boat with people on board - rescue them and set them back to country of origin.
it will cost, i guess.

[FJRider]

are we changing the flag? black flag background white skull with ferns as cross underneath?
I have no idea we were doing that. I think we could have a more vibrant flag - how does that affect all those people who served/fought under our current one.

Nor have I actually ... and I think the same.


If we reduced the number of crims there would be large amount of 'secure' housing units available with'social workers' built in.
Any refugees who have trade skills would be accepted, only problem the extended family rock up as well, who usually dont integrate with the greater community.

Secure housing ... I never thought about that ... (but don't tell them about the CCTV ;))


Media beatup - Dont use the dead kid arguement with me. Everyone is equal.

I never meant it as (or part of) an arguement. It's called responsibility for the actions one takes. Regardless of the desperation of the participants.

Equality is a concept few understand ... and how does that equality relate to my post .. ??


Simple - Stop the boats at point of departure. get them to land boat unload and then sink it.
if they sink boat with people on board - rescue them and set them back to country of origin.
it will cost, i guess.

A good plan .... just keep the images of dead kids washed up on a beach ... out of the News on TV ...

[eldog]

Secure housing ... I never thought about that ... (but don't tell them about the CCTV ;))
It's called responsibility for the actions one takes.

Equality is a concept few understand ... and how does that equality relate to my post .. ??

A good plan .... just keep the images of dead kids washed up on a beach ... out of the News on TV ...

CCTV = pay per view, 'Tonight on the big screen its the big fella taking on the new recruit'

Responsibility - for self learnt that through motorcycling....

Most of those countries the people are coming from and are in dont treat the women (or kids) as equals

images - dont watch the NEWS it gives you so much more time for friends, rellies - those who are important to you and you can work on stuff you want to (and bike stuff too)
The Flag thing is just a diversion because there is noting else going on.....

[Voltaire]

The British are suggesting removing the source of the problem which is the war between Assad and ISIS, both as bad as each other.
However Putin has stated that Russia support the current regime and there are Russian 'advisers' and heavy armour there.
Looking like another proxy war unfolding, if not already happening.

One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is just a statistic Joseph Stalin

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=Voltaire;1130898191Looking like another proxy war unfolding, if not already happening. [/QUOTE]

Its just the same old war as it's always been, just relocated slightly. It serves the US/Israel faction well to keep the middle east is a constant state of conflict.

Good book on the topic "The Great War for Civilisation" - Robert Fisk

[J.A.W.]

Yes, in some cases (nut cases?) you are probably correct.


Islam promises ( & requires its adherents to make happen) to take over the world - by hook, or by crook..

These reffo's are not wanting/wanted - to setlle in Turkey, or head for the co-religionist ex-USSR .....stan - states, are they..

[scumdog]

The Flag thing is just a diversion becasue there is noting else going on.....

More likely a diversion to prevent us putting any focus on important stuff going on....<_<

[eldog]

More likely a diversion to prevent us putting any focus on important stuff going on....<_<

theres something more important going on?......

seems like the whole of the middle east has been undermined, in a determined way so they become more westernised?
just support whichever radicals which will remove the current regime, then support the next group which support your own ideas. Sounds like big brother on a grand scale.

[oldrider]

I don't have the answer.

You are definitely not alone on that - but someone or something is constantly stirring the pot! :yeah: Cui bono :confused:

[yokel]

So...... hows that "war on terror" working out?

[oldrider]

So...... hows that "war on terror" working out?

Cui Bono, a Latin phrase meaning, Who Profits? Find out who profits from a decision and you will discover the people behind the decision - :rolleyes:- not an easy task! :oi-grr:

[Ocean1]

Cui Bono, a Latin phrase meaning, Who Profits? Find out who profits from a decision and you will discover the people behind the decision - :rolleyes:- not an easy task! :oi-grr:

Fucking dole bludgers, I knew it!

[eldog]

Fucking dole bludgers, I knew it!
dole bludgers behind the mass exedous?

no but a lot of them will end up someones social services bill as the extended family is allowed in.

In 20 years time there will be a nationalist backlash... seem familar?

[oldrider]

dole bludgers behind the mass exedous?

no but a lot of them will end up someones social services bill as the extended family is allowed in.

In 20 years time there will be a nationalist backlash... seem familar?

In a word? - "Destabilisation" - :corn:

[98tls]

In a word? - "Destabilisation" - :corn:

Tough call eh,harden up and go fuck em chances are theres a price to pay or take them on and without doubt theres a price to pay,either way were fucked mind you its all crying over spilt milk we have long since had suburbs full of welfare dependant immigrants with no great debate ever taking place...more a silent shake of the head in disbelief.

[Voltaire]

The Russians are building an Airbase in Syria, they already have a naval base there, Have they forgotten Afghanistan already?
The Americans forgot Vietnam after 15 years.

[J.A.W.]

The Russians are building an Airbase in Syria, they already have a naval base there, Have they forgotten Afghanistan already?
The Americans forgot Vietnam after 15 years.


Hard to find a spot - for a naval base - in Afghanistan..

Have the Americans forgotten - that they have blown just about every hot war - since VJ day?

[oldrider]

Hard to find a spot - for a naval base - in Afghanistan..

Have the Americans forgotten - that they have blown just about every hot war - since VJ day?

It's their way of surviving and making money in the process - in a word - power! - while still maintaining a fuck everybody else attitude! :kick: Might is right!

[MD]

Well from watching the telly the floodgates are well and truly open. Every Tom, Dick and Mohamed has waltzed in.

Notice how half the immigrants are carrying a baby while the other half are pregant. I can't understand why the eurocrates haven't spotted this obvious problem in the making- prolific breaders who wont assimilate into the predominately Christian western world will most likely lead to the formation of ghettos, increased poverty and the resentment that causes. Which in turn leads to sectarian and civil unrest a decade or so down the track. The west hasn't been able to stop the fighting spreading across the middle east. Yet somehow it thinks importing the problem to their own homes will solve it.

I know most of these people were driven by despair to leave their country, although reports now show many others are hitching a free ride, but tranferring a problem from one place to another, doesn't solve the problem. The problem being the middle east needs to sort itself out so these displaced people can safely return home. Once settled in a host country there's no incentive for them or their 56 close relatives that tagged along to ever return.

Now John Key has caved in to the bleeding hearts brigade that doesn't understand that sometimes in life you must make decisions based on sound reasoning for the long term good, rather than knee-jerk emotional feelings.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
The fighting in the middle east is wrong and needs to stop
Uncontrolled mass immigration wont stop the fighting and doesn't change anything. The root cause continues, suffering continues, the people migration continues.

[J.A.W.]

It's their way of surviving and making money in the process - in a word - power! - while still maintaining a fuck everybody else attitude! :kick: Might is right!


Yeah, what changed was.. Yanks used to do the sums 1st, & work out how many $ could be made from pumpin'up taxes/war machine industry..
& they wouldn't move ( WW 1/ WW2) 'til they could make $ on the deal..

When the neo-cons took-over, they just went ahead on blind ambition - put billions into 'privatised' forces & put the $ cost on the bloody plastic..

Now the stirred up ants nest ( that all those vicious - but secular - dictators had kept in check) is pouring its progeny in Europe's face..

Maybe Gitmo has some space to spare? Bit hard to get to USA otherwise.. Nor are they flooding to Israel.. not even the Xians amongst 'em..

[Akzle]

Well from watching the telly the floodgates are well and truly open. Every Tom, Dick and Mohamed has waltzed in.

Notice how half the immigrants are carrying a baby while the other half are pregant. I can't understand why the eurocrates haven't spotted this obvious problem in the making- prolific breaders who wont assimilate into the predominately Christian western world will most likely lead to the formation of ghettos, increased poverty and the resentment that causes. Which in turn leads to sectarian and civil unrest a decade or so down the track. The west hasn't been able to stop the fighting spreading across the middle east. Yet somehow it thinks importing the problem to their own homes will solve it.

I know most of these people were driven by despair to leave their country, although reports now show many others are hitching a free ride, but tranferring a problem from one place to another, doesn't solve the problem. The problem being the middle east needs to sort itself out so these displaced people can safely return home. Once settled in a host country there's no incentive for them or their 56 close relatives that tagged along to ever return.

Now John Key has caved in to the bleeding hearts brigade that doesn't understand that sometimes in life you must make decisions based on sound reasoning for the long term good, rather than knee-jerk emotional feelings.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
The fighting in the middle east is wrong and needs to stop
Uncontrolled mass immigration wont stop the fighting and doesn't change anything. The root cause continues, suffering continues, the people migration continues.

i think mashys term applies here.

Scared blind old white motherfucker.

[Akzle]

anyone who loves irony must love this.

A bunch of people turn up, and take over a country.

...But this time, they're not white people.


(satire here, because i'm not scared of towelheads 'taking over the country', and i'm disgruntled enough with the current rort that it wouldnt actually be a bad thing. I fucken love falafel.)

[J.A.W.]

Israel is waiting for general approval to bring out their neutron bomb..
Yeah you know, the one that kills by massive short term radiation burst -rather than a big boom spraying fire & shit everywhere..
..not that would matter too much, depending on the wind strength/direction..

[oldrider]

This has been posted before but perhaps it is worthy of consideration for this thread and the current Middle East refugee situation.

The point being - is the behaviour and attitude being expressed by the Israeli's in the video clip correct for survival in the long run?

What will be the end outcome for all the countries (like Germany) that are currently being engulfed by these refugees?

Will Europe become dissolved into an expanded version of the now critically destabilised Middle East?

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIYIGDmVXGg - Are they right?

[J.A.W.]

I suppose the Xian reffos might be a safer bet.. but in the interests of 'cultural sensitivity'..
..surely the Mohammadans would be best resettted with their own kind in majority Islam states..

I suppose the Germans do have a bit of experience in dealing with ah, 'camping arrangements' - on mass..

[Voltaire]

I suppose the Xian reffos might be a safer bet.. but in the interests of 'cultural sensitivity'..
..surely the Mohammadans would be best resettted with their own kind in majority Islam states..

I suppose the Germans do have a bit of experience in dealing with ah, 'camping arrangements' - on mass..

Ballina N.S.W. looks like a good spot for a few thousand immigrants, would appear there is not much to do there but...

[tri boy]

Ballina N.S.W. looks like a good spot for a few thousand immigrants, would appear there is not much to do there but...

+1 on that.
The general IQ would accelerate up, and xenophobia would plummet.
Win win.

[J.A.W.]

Come over for a dip.. ( no not a sheep dip, don't get excited..) -in the sea, & you'd likely get a job.. as shark repellant.. L.O.L..

You could teach swimming lessons to the reffo's - while you're at it..

[Voltaire]

Come over for a dip.. ( no not a sheep dip, don't get excited..) -in the sea, & you'd likely get a job.. as shark repellant.. L.O.L..

You could teach swimming lessons to the reffo's - while you're at it..

Good offer, but not looking at retiring yet.

[J.A.W.]

Good offer, but not looking at retiring yet.

Well, what about setting up a Salmon farm then? Get some reffo's in on a working visa.. ohh, look at the fishies feedin'.. oops.. need some more..

Makes you wonder why those bleedin' Nazis never thought of it.. Or did Adolf veto it.. no feedin' of human waste to livestock.. send 'em to Asia, then..

[Voltaire]

Well, what about setting up a Salmon farm then? Get some reffo's in on a working visa.. ohh, look at the fishies feedin'.. oops.. need some more..

Makes you wonder why those bleedin' Nazis never thought of it..

Yeah...na, working for Aussies is enough....friggen whiny accents.:lol:, at least they only come over once a year.

[J.A.W.]

Yeah...na, working for Aussies is enough....friggen whiny accents.:lol:, at least they only come over once a year.

Yeah, & I'll bet they're all - in your face - when they do come too, eh fella.. awww..

[mashman]

China has ghost cities and Spain has 400 villages up for grabs.

[Voltaire]

Yeah, & I'll bet they're all - in your face - when they do come too, eh fella.. awww..

Oh...your one of 'those' who left NZ for Kings Cross in the 60's/70's :lol:

Surely there are better sites than here for you to view that sort of stuff.

[J.A.W.]

But Scooby is 'fraid of ghosts, 'specially victims of Chairman Mao.. & where are those bloody "Grabs" from.. & will they assimilate..

[oldrider]

There are quite a lot of Palestinian refugees in Syria that need to go home but? - http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.675222

What has happened so far? http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.674717

Israel too small? - maybe the rest of the world can take them! - (New Zealand?) - :shit: - What a cock-up this refugee business is becoming! :corn:

[yokel]

The Migrant cr'isis' has not started yet, get ready for the next big play.

[J.A.W.]

The Migrant cr'isis' has not started yet, get ready for the next big play.

Well it worked ( ok, almost) with a theatre in Moscow..

[awa355]

FFS!!!! :brick::brick::brick::brick:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71900450/candlelight-vigils-as-call-grows-to-double-refugee-quota

[Akzle]

FFS!!!! :brick::brick::brick::brick:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71900450/candlelight-vigils-as-call-grows-to-double-refugee-quota

that does seem a bit ott.

But whats YOUR problem with it?

[jasonu]

FFS!!!! :brick::brick::brick::brick:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/71900450/candlelight-vigils-as-call-grows-to-double-refugee-quota

I wonder if Executive Director at Amnesty International Grant Bayldon is offering to open his house to a couple of families...

[oldrider]

that does seem a bit ott.

But whats YOUR problem with it?

I don't have a problem but

Diminishing Christian religious orders demanding that more Islamic refugees be admitted to their country? - competition! :scratch:

It's kinda like at a couple of turkeys demanding expansive plans for thanksgiving or pigs demanding expansive plans for bacon and eggs on the menu! :bye:

Sometimes it's helpful to look at the whole picture rather than focus on the centre scene! - Oh well. :corn:

[Swoop]

Winston raises a good point.
Accept the women and children, BUT the males are turned around to go back and fight for their country.

[Akzle]

Winston raises a good point.
Accept the women and children, BUT the males are turned around to go back and fight for their country.

-or-

get all the whites (americunts, pomfags, strayans.... y'know, the soldiering kind) and jews out of their country... so they can have it to themselves... just maybe.

[Swoop]

-or-

get all the whites (americunts, pomfags, strayans.... y'know, the soldiering kind) and jews out of their country... so they can have it to themselves... just maybe.

You obviously mean "let them sort their own shit out"?
That'll end well.




Also, in breaking news:
Muslim asylum seekers are claiming they've converted to Christianity to increase their chances of gaining asylum.

Immigration are rolling out their new Muslim detection kits: a pint and a bacon sandwich.

[J.A.W.]

Ah yeah.. you do realize their sneaky magic book specifically allows them, in the course of fulfilling their jihadi duties..
..to lie, cheat, steal & sure, skull piss while scoffing swine flesh, if it is necessary to defeat the kaffir.. ( & loving the harum thrill too, natch)..

[J.A.W.]

Winston raises a good point.
Accept the women and children, BUT the males are turned around to go back and fight for their country.

Yeah, thats too funny..

My relos fought in WW 2, one uncle told me that the local Arab men would be riding the family donkey, while the wives & kids walked behind..
..unless there were land mines about, in which case - the women & children took point..

Girls can do anything, right..

[scrivy]

Arab men would be riding the family donkey

There's some sick fucks in our country that would be riding the donkey too.....
Eh Gordie......

[J.A.W.]

Whaddaya mean? P.M. Don Key needs to be ridden, much, much, harder.. that supercilious smarmy lyin' Jew boy wants a good clip.. behind his ear..

[george formby]

Winston raises a good point.
Accept the women and children, BUT the males are turned around to go back and fight for their country.

It's only good on the surface. To get their country back should they fight Assad, al Nusra, al Qaeda or ISIS? Or side with the Kurd's?

It's really messy.

When oil prices go up I think it will just get messier.

[Voltaire]

Problem is everytime 'they' do something, they leave a mess that becomes the next crisis.

They are probably waiting till Assad and ISIS wear each other out first.

With the Russians backing Assad it could get interesting as to which way the Coalition of the Former Willing will go.

Here is a list of countries that export Arms, do they not see the current mess as part of their 'business'

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-10-countries-that-import-and-export-the-most-weapons--b1EjO1btVg

[george formby]

Must admit to feeling that the root cause of a lot of the worlds problems, particularly the Middle East at the moment, is economic. Somebody said sometime ago that if world peace broke out, the US would be screwed. Not just the US, though. Masters of puppets.

[Voltaire]

Must admit to feeling that the root cause of a lot of the worlds problems, particularly the Middle East at the moment, is economic. Somebody said sometime ago that if world peace broke out, the US would be screwed. Not just the US, though. Masters of puppets.

The problem with the Middle East is that it run along the lines of Medieval Europe but with modern tools. If they could get over their tribalism and different factions of Invisible Friend it might work. Probably have to wait another 500 years or so for that.
Germany was once tribal back in Roman times, then had years and years of religious wars, then lots of different States until Bismark unified it.They really got the industrial revolution sorted, made a few poor choices regarding treaties and leaders but seem to be on the right track now.
Does not happen overnight.

[oldrider]

The problem with the Middle East is that it run along the lines of Medieval Europe but with modern tools. If they could get over their tribalism and different factions of Invisible Friend it might work. Probably have to wait another 500 years or so for that.
Germany was once tribal back in Roman times, then had years and years of religious wars, then lots of different States until Bismark unified it.They really got the industrial revolution sorted, made a few poor choices regarding treaties and leaders but seem to be on the right track now.
Does not happen overnight.

Don't think Germany will ever be powerful again - it will suffer destabilisation like never before - Time will tell. - Probably all of Europe now! :corn:

Edit: Nothing wrong with the refugees personally - their expectations are high and when it doesn't turn out they feel cheated and trapped!

The disappointment ferments - it all comes out in later generations as they still don't feel they belong - can't go "home" - kaboom - the shit hits the fan! :bash:

[ledaero]

Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

Over here... I'm the first wave ;)

[oldrider]

Over here... I'm the first wave ;)

So you have turned this into another waving thread :bye: that is astonishing! - never thought that possible! :lol:

[scumdog]

Edit: Nothing wrong with the refugees personally - their expectations are high and when it doesn't turn out they feel cheated and trapped!

Except what quantifies a 'refugee'???

[Akzle]

Except what quantifies a 'refugee'???

www.immigration.govt.nz/branch/RSBHome/

[Swoop]

As the British Muslims want to go to Syria to fight with ISIS, and the Syrians want to go to Europe, why don't they just house swap?

[oldrider]

Except what quantifies a 'refugee'???

I suppose we should acquaint ourselves with that - seems to be coming very popular around the world - reminds me of when I was at sea! (early 1960's)

We took a shipment of frozen peas etc to the UK and brought one of theirs back - what do they say - ships that pass in the night! :scratch:

[Voltaire]

The countries that sell the most weapons should take in the most refugees.

[mashman]

The countries that sell the most weapons should take in the most refugees.

They could stop selling the weapons :whistle:

[Voltaire]

They could stop selling the weapons :whistle:

but what would the workers and shareholders and the suppliers of materials and tooling and so forth do? Its like everybody has a finger in this.

[sidecar bob]

This guy seems to have an opinion on migration, anyone recognise him?:nono:
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11512205

[Madness]

This guy seems to have an opinion on migration, anyone recognise him?:nono:
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11512205

Must be hard surviving as a Real Estate Agent in Auckland whilst refusing to take commissions from sales to migrants. Yeah, right.

[sidecar bob]

Must be hard surviving as a Real Estate Agent in Auckland whilst refusing to take commissions from sales to migrants. Yeah, right.

Probably easier than selling Quasi motorcycle gear. :msn-wink:

[Maha]

Probably easier than selling Quasi motorcycle gear. :msn-wink:

Had me in stitches......triple stitches that is :eek:

[oldrider]

Looks like the welcome wheels are starting to fall off in the countries that the refugees are invading - tragic as it is - this is not going to improve world harmony! :no:

The notion that this worldly direction is controlled and coordinated by unseen powers may be difficult to prove or disprove but is compelling in it's origin! :yes:

[Voltaire]

Looks like the welcome wheels are starting to fall off in the countries that the refugees are invading - tragic as it is - this is not going to improve world harmony! :no:

The notion that this worldly direction is controlled and coordinated by unseen powers may be difficult to prove or disprove but is compelling in it's origin! :yes:

Reminds me of Senator McCarthy and his " reds under the beds" scare mongerings....:msn-wink:

There is good money to be had in selling fear.

[Madness]

Probably easier than selling Quasi motorcycle gear. :msn-wink:

And Mobil oil too, apparently.

[oldrider]

Reminds me of Senator McCarthy and his " reds under the beds" scare mongerings....:msn-wink:

There is good money to be had in selling fear.

True - therefore if everything has it's price - there is always something to sell - so who is selling what? - :psst: wanna buy a ????? :shifty:

Curiosity is in abundance - there is no money in it though FFS! :thud: So window shopping can be at least cheap and interesting! :corn:

[nodrog]

Must be hard surviving as a Real Estate Agent in Auckland whilst refusing to take commissions from sales to migrants. Yeah, right.

I thought he fixed windows.

[Laava]

Bump...........

[oldrider]

Bump...........

Bumpity bump :whistle:

[yokel]

Get ready for SHTF

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[oldrider]

Why wont someone tell the truth - he asks?

Simply because the population is pre-programmed NOT to listen and the MSM are part of the total program!

All part of the enormously chaotic world scene leading into the re-establishment of order - the long promised New World Order! :corn:

[Voltaire]

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/4904/production/_85329681_saudi_cartoon.jpg

[Swoop]

Interesting to see the amount of false Syrian passports being found...

[Moi]

For another perspective on this, have a look at the international edition of de Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/)...

[jonbuoy]

The grand master plan seems to be to remove/dilute our identities by introducing/forcing other cultures into the population mix. Maybe they think if we mix and crossbreed borders and prejudices will weaken and we will all be one big worldwide happy family.

I don't object so much to the elderly women and children being temporarily sheltered but the men can fuck off back and help sort out their own country.

[oldrider]

The grand master plan seems to be to remove/dilute our identities by introducing/forcing other cultures into the population mix. Maybe they think if we mix and crossbreed borders and prejudices will weaken and we will all be one big worldwide happy family.

I don't object so much to the elderly women and children being temporarily sheltered but the men can fuck off back and help sort out their own country.

I have premonition of sorts that this next USA election is going to produce some real chaotic and unusual outcomes but can't find anything factual to back it!

Suggest we just watch this space closely!

I.E. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_a ttempts_and_plots Such a violent history for a comparatively "young" nation! :ar15::bash::2guns:

USA? - Generally nice People - shit-house governments and politicians and back-room boys etc! :stoogie: IMHO.

[mashman]

For another perspective on this, have a look at the international edition of de Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/)...

Perhaps she found her spring again :whistle:

Refugees confounded by Merkel’s decision to close German borders (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/14/refugees-confounded-merkel-close-german-borders)

[Swoop]

Maybe they think if we mix and crossbreed borders and prejudices will weaken and we will all be one big worldwide happy family.

The only happiness they are looking for is when everyone bows to their imaginary friend 5 times a day...
Nothing less.


The only solution is a policy of "no imaginary friends".

[oldrider]

The only happiness they are looking for is when everyone bows to their imaginary friend 5 times a day...
Nothing less.


The only solution is a policy of "no imaginary friends".

God damn! - I imagined that Swoop was my friend! - :eek:

[mashman]

The only happiness they are looking for is when everyone bows to their imaginary friend 5 times a day...
Nothing less.


The only solution is a policy of "no imaginary friends".

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... I know right, fuckin christians.

[Akzle]

Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave...

[Voltaire]

The only happiness they are looking for is when everyone bows to their imaginary friend 5 times a day...
Nothing less.


The only solution is a policy of "no imaginary friends".

The reason 'The West' is so attractive is they have dumped medieval religions with Kings and Mullahs running the show.

It would be a cold day in Hell ( and other imaginary hot places) when I go back to a Catholic church.

Fortunately I live in an enlightened country.

[J.A.W.]

The reason 'The West' is so attractive is they have dumped medieval religions with Kings and Mullahs running the show.

It would be a cold day in Hell ( and other imaginary hot places) when I go back to a Catholic church.

Fortunately I live in an enlightened country.

You'll go crawlin' back, shittin' hail mary's, beggin' for unctuous forgiveness & absolution - when the time comes - you bloody fair weather apostate..

[mashman]

Fortunately I live in an enlightened country.

How is Canada these days?

[Voltaire]

You'll go crawlin' back, shittin' hail mary's, beggin' for unctuous forgiveness & absolution - when the time comes - you bloody fair weather apostate..



What happens with the likes of Jimmy Saville when he dies and goes to Heaven and then God finds out what he got up to....?:rolleyes:

[oldrider]

What happens with the likes of Jimmy Saville when he dies and goes to Heaven and then God finds out what he got up to....?:rolleyes:

Well if the guy's in charge down here are anything to go by - he will probably get an honorary invitation to join a club up there! :rolleyes:

[yokel]

Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

well we know now, who knew that something like the Paris attacks could have been where it was headed??
So predictable it's not funny.

http://buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-disturbing-muslim-refugee-video-you-will-ever-see/

[jasonu]

Apparently it is headed to Oregon
http://www.ktvz.com/news/oregon-governor-says-state-will-accept-syrian-refugees/36501606

[jonbuoy]

Don't think Germany will ever be powerful again - it will suffer destabilisation like never before - Time will tell. - Probably all of Europe now! :corn:

Edit: Nothing wrong with the refugees personally - their expectations are high and when it doesn't turn out they feel cheated and trapped!

The disappointment ferments - it all comes out in later generations as they still don't feel they belong - can't go "home" - kaboom - the shit hits the fan! :bash:

You don´t see Indians and Asians blowing themselves up. They just work their asses off until they are where they want to be.

[Akzle]

You don´t see Indians and Asians blowing themselves up. They just work their asses off until they are where they want to be.

india is part of asia.
You nigga ass motherfucker.

[mashman]

The Polish PM (I think if was the PM) had an interesting thought on the "issue". He reckoned that they should welcome and train the migrants, arm them and send them "home" to defend their homeland.

[oldrider]

Migration crisis in Europe - where is it headed?

well we know now, who knew that something like the Paris attacks could have been where it was headed??
So predictable it's not funny.

http://buzzpo.com/this-is-the-most-disturbing-muslim-refugee-video-you-will-ever-see/

The answer might be to go in the direction where the flow of migrants is not - Israel? - ISIS never attacks Israel either - sounds like a safe place to go then! :confused:

[jonbuoy]

india is part of asia.
You nigga ass motherfucker.

You seem to be getting mixed up with continents and races.

[Akzle]

You seem to be getting mixed up with continents and races.

you seem to be getting mixed up with words.

asian isnt a race, either. Jackass.

I maintain. You're nignorant.

[jonbuoy]

you seem to be getting mixed up with words.

asian isnt a race, either. Jackass.

I maintain. You're nignorant.

I maintain your a retarded pot head with nothing to do but spout mindless drivel - it's quite sad to see your rapid decline in mental health online. Most people in NZ including the media classify Asian as Chinese/Japanese/Korean as "Asian" and "Indians" separately.

[jasonu]

I maintain your a retarded pot head with nothing to do but spout mindless drivel - it's quite sad to see your rapid decline in mental health online. Most people in NZ including the media classify Asian as Chinese/Japanese/Korean as "Asian" and "Indians" separately.

Maybe so but India is still a part of Asia.

[jonbuoy]

Maybe so but India is still a part of Asia.

Didn't say it wasn't.

[Akzle]

Most people in NZ including the media classify Asian as Chinese/Japanese/Korean as "Asian" and "Indians" separately.

well, why didnt you say so.
If everyone else says so, even THE MEDIA it must be correct. Eh.:crazy:

Lackwit.

[Akzle]

Didn't say it wasn't.
:

india is part of asia.


You seem to be getting mixed up with continents and races.

explain to the class how else this is to be interpreted.

[jonbuoy]

:




explain to the class how else this is to be interpreted.

I wrote "Indians" and "Asians" - people. I didn´t refer to a continent called "Asians" or "Indians".

[Akzle]

I wrote "Indians" and "Asians" - people. I didn´t refer to a continent called "Asians" or "Indians".



asian isnt a race,.

. .

[jonbuoy]

So when you say "Americans" are you referring to the Americas continent - including both North American and South America or are you only referrering to North Americans?

[Akzle]

So when you say "Americans" are you referring to the Americas continent - including both North American and South America or are you only referrering to North Americans?

i dont. I use "the jew nited states" or "americunts" or "the divided states of embarrasment" for the usa.

And the rest of the america(n) s are refferred to apropriately as needed.

It's called english whitey. It's a shit language but it's the one you imposed on the planet. Learn it one time.

[jonbuoy]

i dont. I use "the jew nited states" or "americunts" or "the divided states of embarrasment" for the usa.

And the rest of the america(n) s are refferred to apropriately as needed.

It's called english whitey. It's a shit language but it's the one you imposed on the planet. Learn it one time.

Yeah but your a retard the rest of the world just call North Americans "Americans". You seem to think I'm a bit more powerful and influential than I really am - I haven't imposed any language on anyone.

[jasonu]

Yeah but your a retard the rest of the world just call North Americans "Americans". You seem to think I'm a bit more powerful and influential than I really am - I haven't imposed any language on anyone.

Do you include Canadians and Beaners (Mexicans) when you refer to North Americans?


BTW it is 'you're a retard'...

[Akzle]

Yeah but your a retard the rest of the world just call North Americans "Americans".

maybe the nigger types you hang out with, sure.
Not "the rest of the world". Certainly probably none with an iq above 12.

[Akzle]

Do you include Canadians and Beaners (Mexicans) when you refer to North Americans?


BTW it is 'you're a retard'...

i think he wanted me to point that out, then he'd point out the times i've said your rather than you're. Not realising that i do it for the ironing.

But he's pretty fucken stuppid.
Lest we forget greenland and alaska. But they're innuit, not white, so probably dont matter to him. Plus. "the rest of the world" doesnt. And TV doesn't. And how can you expect a nigger to learn, if it aint on TV...

[Swoop]

ISIS never attacks Israel either - sounds like a safe place to go then!:confused:
Some folks wonder why that might be...


It seems laughable that ISIS is claiming responsibility for the Paris attack as well.

[jonbuoy]

Do you include Canadians and Beaners (Mexicans) when you refer to North Americans?


BTW it is 'you're a retard'...

That's exactly the point. It's a generalised term most people use.

[jonbuoy]

maybe the nigger types you hang out with, sure.
Not "the rest of the world". Certainly probably none with an iq above 12.

I think you will find they do. Well having an IQ of 12 and not being that great at English hasn't stopped me doing well for myself. What stopped you?

[Akzle]

It's a generalised term ignorant motherfuckers use.
fify.

I think you will find they do. Well having an IQ of 12 and not being that great at English hasn't stopped me doing well for myself. What stopped you?

for someone who has absolutely no idea who or what the fuck i am, you sure manage to make a lot of (incorrect) assumptions... and you know what they say about assumptions...:
you're a dumb shit.

[jonbuoy]

fify.


for someone who has absolutely no idea who or what the fuck i am, you sure manage to make a lot of (incorrect) assumptions... and you know what they say about assumptions...:
you're a dumb shit.

Your posts and threads give away more about you than you might want to think.

[Akzle]

Your posts and threads give away more about you than you might want to think.

the internets is for my amusement. one day you'll learn.

[Banditbandit]

Your posts and threads give away more about you than you might want to think.

Yes they do ... but I doubt that you can see much of what Axkle's posts say about him ..

[Berries]

I always blamed the gingers, now it looks like I was right - BBC says ginger terrorists have ruined the world. (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34909636)