Wanna have a go...

[Indiana_Jones]

At fixing this bike

As you know my bike is poo-pooing me at the moment, and you never should poo-poo a poo-poo, but that's a different story.

The low-down is that the bike will sometimes start (cold with aid from the choke) seem to run ok while idle, but when you put the gas on, the power goes down and/or it cuts out.

I think the problem is that the bike keeps fouling the plug (carbon fouling I think).

Any advice, and ideas would be much appreciated.

Cheers :)

-Indy

[White trash]

She's got a fuel blockage somewhere like a jet or something. It actually means removing the carb and taking the float bowl off the bottom, removing the jets and blowing them out. A very simple (don't drop anything for fucks sake) and good maintenance step to learn.

Standing there going "I'll fix this bastard!" holding the throttle on the stop while the poor thing coughs and farts will not fix it. And don't tell me you haven't tried that, I know you young people, you've tried it.

[Magua]

I'll give you a hand if you want indy. But if not, GIVE FROSTY THE BIKE! He's offered a few times.

[R6_kid]

i seem to do all the gargre work for you queers, give me a txt sometime and i'll see what i can/cant do... carb stuff is fun, sometimes just taking them apart and putting them back together fixes stuff - wierd.

[White trash]

i seem to do all the gargre work for you queers, give me a txt sometime and i'll see what i can/cant do... carb stuff is fun, sometimes just taking them apart and putting them back together fixes stuff - wierd.

Well I want nothing to do with your queers gargre evenings thanks all the same.

[sAsLEX]

i seem to do all the gargre work for you queers, give me a txt sometime and i'll see what i can/cant do... carb stuff is fun, sometimes just taking them apart and putting them back together fixes stuff - wierd.

best bit is the carb cleaner shit smeels so good as well

[Indiana_Jones]

I'll give you a hand if you want indy. But if not, GIVE FROSTY THE BIKE! He's offered a few times.

Hand me up baby :)
you too Deacon

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

blah, feck it, I'll just get a new bike in a few years. This is all holeshot's fault, they're the devil!

-Indy

[Magua]

blah, feck it, I'll just get a new bike in a few years. This is all holeshot's fault, they're the devil!

-Indy

Why ask for help if you aren't willing to recieve any? From here it sounds like all you need to do is remove the carb.

[Indiana_Jones]

Magua here, we've taken off the carb and are attempting to clean it.

[SuperDave]

You can buy my FXR in November if you want Indy :whistle:

[Indiana_Jones]

Magua here again, some pictures of the bottom of the carb and the diaphram. Looks disformed to me, source of indy's troubles? And Superdave, how much do you want for the fxr?

Magua

[James Deuce]

"Disformed"????

Gahhhhhhhh!

[Indiana_Jones]

Also, how does one remove the jets?

-Indy

[Magua]

"Disformed"????

Gahhhhhhhh!

LOL! I knew it didn't sound right as I typed it out. Deformed, oh man. Quick hide the evidence before Hitcher gets here!

[Indiana_Jones]

You can buy my FXR in November if you want Indy :whistle:

Why do I need your bike ?
I have this gangsta one right here....... :lol:

-Indy

[TLDV8]

It would pay to remove the pilot jet and check it for any form of blockage (fwiw)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/manurewa/thecarb.jpg

[Indiana_Jones]

How do I remove it?
Cheers

-Indy

[k14]

Yeah can unscrew that jet with a flat head screwdriver (from looking at the picture) and then the bottom part of it can be removed with a spanner (8 or 10mm). Clean that out and make sure there is no gunk blocking it. Another thing to make sure of is that the diaphram (the black rubber thing) is seated perfectly. If it isn't the slide won't open and the bike will be slow as.

[Indiana_Jones]

Another thing to make sure of is that the diaphram (the black rubber thing) is seated perfectly. If it isn't the slide won't open and the bike will be slow as.

How do I know if it's seated right? I kinda don't follow what you mean.....I'm just dumb :)

-Indy

[k14]

Well the black rubber bit (called the diaphram) will seat in a little recess under a cover. If the diaphram isn't seated in the recess and sandwiched between the cover perfectly there won't be a proper seal. If there isn't a proper seal then the vacuum won't form properly and the slide won't open at all, thus starving the engine of air and fuel.

[Indiana_Jones]

Well the black rubber bit (called the diaphram) will seat in a little recess under a cover. If the diaphram isn't seated in the recess and sandwiched between the cover perfectly there won't be a proper seal. If there isn't a proper seal then the vacuum won't form properly and the slide won't open at all, thus starving the engine of air and fuel.

Well when you seat the diaphram in, there's a little gap for this little rubber tag thing to stick out, so I think it's seating right, I'll take a pic tomorrow

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Also, I'm looking at the carb, where are the screw bits for the jet?

-Indy

[k14]

The screws are the things that you remove with a screwdriver. I'll try and find a pic of a screw and a screwdriver on the net.

[Indiana_Jones]

The screws are the things that you remove with a screwdriver. I'll try and find a pic of a screw and a screwdriver on the net.

my God, you're so funny! :laugh:

But I asked where the screws are, not what a screw is, thank you :)

Let me re-phrase it, are those slots on top of the brass looking things used for screwing them into place

-Indy

[Magua]

my God, you're so funny! :laugh:

But I asked where the screws are, not what a screw is, thank you :)

Let me re-phrase it, are those slots on top of the brass looking things used for screwing them into place

-Indy

Take a photo.

[John]

god man this is going to end in badly - just ask decon to show you - sure he wouldnt mind or anyone else thats local...

[Indiana_Jones]

god man this is going to end in badly - just ask decon to show you - sure he wouldnt mind or anyone else thats local...

It's gotta end sometime man!

-Indy

[Ixion]

my God, you're so funny! :laugh:

But I asked where the screws are, not what a screw is, thank you :)

Let me re-phrase it, are those slots on top of the brass looking things used for screwing them into place

-Indy

Yes. The "brass looking things" are the jets. And the slots are to use to take the jets out. CAREFULLY. VERY BLOODY CAREFULLY. And then use a GOOD spanner to remove the other "brass looking things" , the ones with the 6 sides . CAREFULLY. And CAREFULLY remove the float (CAREFULLY push out the pin). Under the float is a needle. CAREFULLY remove this (DONT BLOODY LOSE IT). Now check all this stuff for any shit in it. And check throughly in the holes that it all came out of for any shit. Especially the hole the float needle came out of. Once everything is CSM clean, put it all back together . CAREFULLY.

[Indiana_Jones]

So that's carefully?
This bike is the devil lol, Gonna get it to work then sell it or something :Pokey:
Give me the claw hammer!

-Indy

[Ixion]

So that's carefully?
This bike is the devil lol, Gonna get it to work then sell it or something :Pokey:
Give me the claw hammer!

-Indy

It's just lazy. Y'need to show it who's in charge. Put y'r foot down.Make it respect you as a man. If that doesn't work , fuck it up the exhaust pipe.

Oh yeah, and after you clean the carb, you need to take the fuel tap off and clean that . BE CAREFUL. When you take the tap off petrol will piss out everywhere !

[Indiana_Jones]

It's just lazy. Y'need to show it who's in charge. Put y'r foot down.Make it respect you as a man. If that doesn't work , fuck it up the exhaust pipe.

Oh yeah, and after you clean the carb, you need to take the fuel tap off and clean that . BE CAREFUL. When you take the tap off petrol will piss out everywhere !

Noted, I plan to empty the tank and put new gas in it too. so I might as well check the tap while I'm there. :wari:

-Indy

[Magua]

So that's carefully?
This bike is the devil lol, Gonna get it to work then sell it or something :Pokey:
Give me the claw hammer!

-Indy

I'll give you an FZR for it :D
THE DEVIL I SAY, THE DEVIL!

[Indiana_Jones]

Well the jets seem fine, as does the float. :)

-Indy

[Ixion]

Blurdy hell, I think we need to organise a "Bike not going" day, and trailer in all the non running KB bikes to be knocked into shape (in the case of Mr Mikey's CBR, probably literally)

If the jets are OK, AND THERE'S NO CRAP under where they came out of , and you've checked under the needle (you did blow through all the passages, didn't you ? ) , then put it all back together . CAREFULLY. ANd take the tap apart

But before you do check that diaphragm for leaks, wrinkles, holes. I don't like the look of it, but then I never like the look of diaphragms. Had a very nerve wracking experience with diaphragms years ago, but that's another story and it all worked out OK anyway - you'd think bloody women could keep track of dates wouldn't you. What's wrong with a piston like the good old SU I ask.

[Indiana_Jones]

there's kinda a bumpy shape round the diaphram, but not tears etc. It seems ok to me.

-Indy

[FROSTY]

Well ve given up Indy --ya just need summmat to moan about doncha??
Its the needle under the float ya need top clean out,
remove float use 10mm hex and remove brass "nut thing" and clean out the filter behind it. Also every jet should beremoved blown out with an air gun.
the fuel tank needs to be emptied till not a drop of fluid remains in it
12 months Ive offered to fix the friggin thing for ya and still no go--
don't blame the bike,dont blame the bikeshop when it coulda been purring like a kitten 12 months ago

[Indiana_Jones]

Well ve given up Indy --ya just need summmat to moan about doncha??

12 months Ive offered to fix the friggin thing for ya and still no go--
don't blame the bike,dont blame the bikeshop when it coulda been purring like a kitten 12 months ago

Of course I need something to moan about, I'm a pom.
And I will blame the bikeshop, I took it to them twice, to be fixed, which they failed to do.

Anywayz, it's something to do.

-Indy

[Ixion]

there's kinda a bumpy shape round the diaphram, but not tears etc. It seems ok to me.

-Indy

They always look bumpy. Something to do with titillation I guess. Did you remove the nut thingy that the needle thing goes in Like Mr Frosty said. Apparently there's a filter behind it, bet it's full of crap. And before you put the carb back together , get a bowl of nice clean petrol and put the whole carb in it (in bits still) and slosh it around a good bit. Amazing what that washes out sometimes.

And yeah, when you take the tap off, next job, all yur petrol will piss out.Save it for the lawn mower, and put nice new stuff in , once you've cleaned out the tap.

[Indiana_Jones]

I can't see any filters.?

-Indy

[FROSTY]

well then empty that frigging gas tank out --actually empty it out into like a clear container --id be interestested as to exactly how much shitand water is in the tank

[Indiana_Jones]

well then empty that frigging gas tank out --actually empty it out into like a clear container --id be interestested as to exactly how much shitand water is in the tank

Yes sir!
lol

-Indy

[Ixion]

I can't see any filters.?

-Indy

You've taken out the bit that that float needle was in ? With a spanner ? Can't say for sure about the filter, cos I'm not familar with that carb. Once you take the needle seat out , you should be able to look right up it and through the petrol pipe and see light.
Then take off the tap and flush out the tank.

[Indiana_Jones]

You've taken out the bit that that float needle was in ? With a spanner ? Can't say for sure about the filter, cos I'm not familar with that carb. Once you take the needle seat out , you should be able to look right up it and through the petrol pipe and see light.
Then take off the tap and flush out the tank.

there's a pipe bending on the side that hooks up the float, I can't take the bit out that the plug\needle goes into, but I can blow through the gas line to where it is, so it seems ok to me

The gas in the tank looked fine to me (just that pinky colour), there was a little grit in the reserve filter, but that's about it.

-Indy

[Ixion]

OK . So now put it all CAREFULLY back together. That's the end of stage one. Try it and see. If still not right we move to stage two.

[FROSTY]

NO NO NO--empty it all out till the tank is bone dry--not a skerrid of liquid in it

[Ixion]

NO NO NO--empty it all out till the tank is bone dry--not a skerrid of liquid in it

Thought that was already done ? If not, do it. DO NOT reuse the old stuff. And if you haven't pulled the tap right off , and apart, do so. There will definately be at least one filter in there. Once you do get to putting it back together, and NEW petrol in the tank, turn the tap to Prime, and run at least a litre through it. It should flow steadily out the fuel pipe.

[FROSTY]

Ixion--I had the same problem with my FXR -there were little pools of water in the bottom of the tank and just draining the tank wasnt enough--they were sneaky lil sods and took a lot of shifting.

[Indiana_Jones]

Thought that was already done ? If not, do it. DO NOT reuse the old stuff. And if you haven't pulled the tap right off , and apart, do so. There will definately be at least one filter in there. Once you do get to putting it back together, and NEW petrol in the tank, turn the tap to Prime, and run at least a litre through it. It should flow steadily out the fuel pipe.

*pouring in the old gas* What was that? :kick:
Yea, will get some new gas in.

Also, any tips on getting it bone dry frosty?, with out having to get a can opener to it. <_<

-Indy

[Ixion]

*pouring in the old gas* What was that? :kick:
Yea, will get some new gas in.

Also, any tips on getting it bone dry frosty?, with out having to get a can opener to it. <_<

-Indy
Take the tank off. Empty it out. Pour in a bit of meths (3 or 4 hundred ml) and slosh it around. Pour it out. Leave it for a while to dry somewhere warmish (the meths will evaporate easily, and meths will "pick up" any water. ). Mix some oil with new petrol, about a litre of petrol and 50 ml of oil. Tip that in, slosh it around, tip it out. Leave the tank overnight. This is to put an oily residue on the inside and stop it rusting, the meths will have activated any exposed metal. Now refill with new petrol. There are better ways, but they cost money.

[Indiana_Jones]

motor oil, right?
like not olive oil? :D

-Indy

[Ixion]

motor oil, right?
like not olive oil? :D

-Indy

Motor Oil. Unless you plan to switch to castrol R

[FROSTY]

dunno mate a bit of castor oil in there would have people wondering what the heck ya had in ya engine

[Ixion]

So where are you at now with this?

Is it back together ? Have you tested it ? All you had to do was put some fesh petrol in the tank and screw the carby back together?

[FROSTY]

nahh--he'll wait another couple of months and have another bitch session

[Magua]

Gareth is going around tommorow to take a look, I might wander over and have a looky see too.

He wasn't going to remove the carb at all until I came over and we started pulling shit apart. :D I just hope it goes back together as easy as it came apart.

[Magua]

Ok, it starts now. Funny thing is that under using the throttle kills the bike for some reason. You can adjust the idle as high as you want and the revs will increase, but using the throttle is like flicking the kill switch.

[cliffy]

what you may need to check is the "o'rings in the bottom of the carbs that seal they are'nt actually shaped like an 'o' you get the idea!)in between the different circiuts, i have had a couple of these i've worked on have this problem and youll have to order a carb kit ex japan or buy a second hand carb set. i could be completly wrong but i had the same type of issues and it took f***en ages to diagnose as everything looked spot on, hope this helps :niceone:

[cliffy]

oh and check your float heights

[FROSTY]

Ok, it starts now. Funny thing is that under using the throttle kills the bike for some reason. You can adjust the idle as high as you want and the revs will increase, but using the throttle is like flicking the kill switch.
Are ya using the choke? does it still do it when its warmed up??

[Sniper]

Jesus just reading the first two pages, it looks like this was going to end in a big cluster-fuck. Im glad Ixion and Frosty got involved.

[Magua]

Jesus just reading the first two pages, it looks like this was going to end in a big cluster-fuck. Im glad Ixion and Frosty got involved.

You don't trust our mechanical abilities? :mellow:

[Ixion]

This is a REAL silly question, and I apologise in advance for asking it, but just to cover it off, none of the pcitures actually showed the needle assembly. The needle is in there , right? (not the float needle, the main jet one)

[FROSTY]

I second what ixion said--ya know when ya put the diaphram back in and it diddnt look torn and......

[Jamiepo]

Diaphragm carbs are funny funny things, one rule of thumb that I have heard repeated a fair few times is that if you have to take it apart more than twice get a new kit for it. They are beautifulk we carbs when they are working but are very temperamental when they are not!! I have worked on a few Chainsaws in my time and you can try everything to fix them, and 9 times out of 10 it is something to do with the diaphragm. Give me a venturi any day!!!

[Indiana_Jones]

well the bike seems to start, when i put on the gas, it'll go up, but when i let it go, it'll go down, but not back to the idle speed (2-2.5 rpm) but to like 3-4 rpm.....so yea lol

-Indy

[Magua]

when i put on the gas, it'll go up, but when i let it go, it'll go down, but not back to the idle speed (2-2.5 rpm) but to like 3-4 rpm.....so yea lol

-Indy

Odd, does it have a manual choke?

[Ixion]

Carby. For a certainty. Like Mr Jamiepo siad

[Indiana_Jones]

is that gonna cost me money? :D

-Indy

[FROSTY]

um er indy--3 ideas.
1-check that you havent twisted the throttle cables around and that ya have free play in your throttle cable.
2)check how far out you have your idle screw set.start with 1.5 turns out from fully screwed in.
3)take the top back off the carby and check that the slide is in round the right way. there are two things sticking into where the slide is -Ones the idle needle the other is the slide guide. If ya have the slide in backwards the slide will rest on the guide not the needle as intended.
Hey dude if its ridable bring it to me in devonport--Im not exactly busy today and I can have a squizzy.

[Storm]

Indy- take it to Frosty today-right now !!

[Magua]

Indy- take it to Frosty today-right now !!

He doesn't have a trailer.

[FROSTY]

He bought it to me -sounded a tiny bit rough on idle and fast but otherwise pretty good.
Wound the idle down to 1k and fucked with the mixture screw and she sounds sweeeet --Only thing is i really wanna reset the tappets -it was too hot and fuggit I got busy with customers

[Indiana_Jones]

Tap-what? :mellow:
And I did get some air in my tires, I forget to put the caps back on, remembered half way down the road lol

-Indy

[FROSTY]

tappets--valves--the things going tappety tap tap inside ya motor

[Ixion]

Tap-what? :mellow:
And I did get some air in my tires, I forget to put the caps back on, remembered half way down the road lol

-Indy

So now get out and ride the thing !

[Indiana_Jones]

tappets--valves--the things going tappety tap tap inside ya motor

oh i see lol

I think I should get a rego before I ride it too far, and I won't hold my breath. It'll pack up lol

-Indy

[FROSTY]

bring it to me before ya do--itll stay scared at least until you get home

[SARGE]

So that's carefully?
This bike is the devil lol, Gonna get it to work then sell it or something :Pokey:
Give me the claw hammer!

-Indy



sounds like all you need to fix it is to kick it on its side till it pisses fuel then hit it with a road flare..




And I did get some air in my tires, I forget to put the caps back on, remembered half way down the road lol

-Indy



i hope you took all the Winter air out before you refilled it with the Summer Air.. different densities you understand .. could really affect your handling characteristics..

[Indiana_Jones]

i hope you took all the Winter air out before you refilled it with the Summer Air.. different densities you understand .. could really affect your handling characteristics..

are you yanking my crank? lol :D

I took her out to Rodney today, she kinda did'nt like going over 125ish lol
Ride the twisties! lol had to say it :p

-Indy

[FROSTY]

INDY-OMG Im so sorry --Sarge is right. If you fill your tyres with the wrong density air the lower density air will flow to the top of your tyres.
This might cause unruley osolations of the head bearings.
I'd suggest the only possible solution is
GO RIDE YA BIKE MANY MANY MILES :doobey: :doobey: :doobey:

[Indiana_Jones]

are you for real? lol

-Indy

[Storm]

Dont doubt the Frosted ones wisdom- you must ride far, grasshopper

[Indiana_Jones]

Yes my master..... :sunny:

-Indy

[Ixion]

Just ride the bloody thing!

[Indiana_Jones]

I did yesterday, but I really need a rego lol
and some gear :p

-Indy

[Storm]

You and your bike Indy. its the neverending story- tell us the truth, you dont want it to be fixed do you? (no you cant handle the truth quotes please:P )
Just get a bike like in your siggy, some styling aviators and hang out near airfields- you'll be cool as a iceberg

[Indiana_Jones]

lol I do want it fixed, and I am as cool as an iceberg, I'm the cooler king :D
hmmmmmm a GPZ would be wicked

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Time to fellow the doctor's orders :p

-Indy

[John]

INDY-OMG Im so sorry --Sarge is right. If you fill your tyres with the wrong density air the lower density air will flow to the top of your tyres.
This might cause unruley osolations of the head bearings.
I'd suggest the only possible solution is
GO RIDE YA BIKE MANY MANY MILES :doobey: :doobey: :doobey:
hahahahahahahahahahah

Indy shut up about it and go ride or I will go buy topgay and do burnouts on it.

[Ixion]

lol I do want it fixed, and I am as cool as an iceberg, I'm the cooler king :D
hmmmmmm a GPZ would be wicked

-Indy


It IS fixed. Mr Frosty checked it out, he says it's sweet. And you say you had it cruising at $1.25, which is pretty fair for a 150.

Just ride the damn thing.

[FROSTY]

so Indy boy--is she all jake??

[James Deuce]

lol I do want it fixed, and I am as cool as an iceberg, I'm the cooler king :D
hmmmmmm a GPZ would be wicked

-Indy

So, Auckland people. Is Indy a big giant, peach-fuzz covered Arse in person too?

[The_Dover]

Yup, no balls either.

(Just ask her out again!!)

[James Deuce]

Yup, no balls either.


I had a horrible feeling that may be the case.

[The_Dover]

Nature is fuckin cruel sometimes.

But at least she has a sense of humour so us beautiful people can laugh at the lesser beings.........

[Indiana_Jones]

that cuts deep lol

-Indy