First Aid kit and training?

[eldog]

suggestions about what should be included.
and what sort of training if any?
bike specific.

[Edbear]

Give Mike Mander a call at Heartsaver NZ. They do a range of First Aid kits and do workplace first aid training. Cheaper than St. John too.

[Gremlin]

The general advice - Get help on the way, prevent further damage/danger.

While carrying a big kit could be helpful, can you use it properly. Could you make things worse by attempting things you cannot do? Therefore the kit would likely vary from person to person.

It's probably a lot easier to just buy a general kit. You can get them in a massive variety of sizes, then replace anything you use. Plus it comes in a pouch.

[eldog]

Advice buy a general kit.
Thanks
OK this I will do.
maybe get some general training.

Just for general stuff - around the house and on the road.

[nzspokes]

Ive recently spoken to a St Johns instructor about this. No need for a motorcycle specific course, a broken body is a broken body. General class 2 St Johns course will cover it.

[eldog]

Ive recently spoken to a St Johns instructor about this. No need for a motorcycle specific course, a broken body is a broken body. General class 2 St Johns course will cover it.

OK
I will look into this.
Other injuries would be typical, grazes, broke bones, bleeding entrapment, etc.


I will have to ask about helmet if patient is not breathing.

Making sure they can breathe would be my main concern and to leave helmet on, what to do there, what position, how to check etc.

[Maha]

suggestions about what should be included.
and what sort of training if any?
bike specific.

When we were at the Motel, once (and sometimes twice) a month, St John did held a First Aid course, it last all day and was always well attended.

[nzspokes]

OK
I will look into this.
Other injuries would be typical, grazes, broke bones, bleeding entrapment, etc.


I will have to ask about helmet if patient is not breathing.

Making sure they can breathe would be my main concern and to leave helmet on, what to do there, what position, how to check etc.

Spoke at length about helmets. Only remove for a restricted airway. Apart from that the head is in a cumfy splint.

If its an airway issue they you have to get that helmet off and do something about it now. If not you have to have the "Im sorry for your loss" conversation with the riders mates.

[eldog]

Spoke at length about helmets. Only remove for a restricted airway. Apart from that the head is in a cumfy splint.

If its an airway issue they you have to get that helmet off and do something about it now.

How to sort out the airway issue would be what I am after.

[eldog]

When we were at the Motel, once (and sometimes twice) a month, St John did held a First Aid course, it last all day and was always well attended.

I think there is going to be a planned first aid course requirement for us at work

[awa355]

I taught 1st aid for years and could speak with a back ground in ambo work. I always told the class, the best 1st aid kit was a bag of clean rags, a bottle of water, a roll of tape, a few plasters. Today, you could include a small roll of glad wrap. You don't need a $50 kit to do the basics of controlling external bleeding.

You will deal with more minor cuts and grazes than the biggies. Any major injuries should have the immediate bleeding/breathing problems dealt with as you find them (if possible) then left for more experienced people to further assess and treat. Most life threatening injuries occur from within, the signs and symptoms of which are not always obvious.

[nzspokes]

I taught 1st aid for years and could speak with a back ground in ambo work. I always told the class, the best 1st aid kit was a bag of clean rags, a bottle of water, a roll of tape, a few plasters. Today, you could include a small roll of glad wrap. You don't need a $50 kit to do the basics of controlling external bleeding.

You will deal with more minor cuts and grazes than the biggies. Any major injuries should have the immediate bleeding/breathing problems dealt with as you find them (if possible) then left for more experienced people to further assess and treat. Most life threatening injuries occur from within, the signs and symptoms of which are not always obvious.
This I agree with. Keep them alive until the Pro's get there.

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[Maha]

OK

Making sure they can breathe would be my main concern and to leave helmet on, what to do there, what position, how to check etc.

We gave two helmets (slight drop damaged) to the local Volunteer Fire guys so they could use them in their training. That's where flip front helmets can come into their own, access to the mouth area made easy.

[Hitcher]

All you need for first aid is a cellphone. Most will tell you your location (if you don't know where you are) and allow you to ring 111.

[Maha]

All you need for first aid is a cellphone. Most will tell you your location (if you don't know where you are) and allow you to ring 111.

Cellphone with an epirb app.

[george formby]

Spoke at length about helmets. Only remove for a restricted airway. Apart from that the head is in a cumfy splint.

If its an airway issue they you have to get that helmet off and do something about it now. If not you have to have the "Im sorry for your loss" conversation with the riders mates.
I noticed in the Dr John Hind vid that he carried a wire saw to cut the chin guard off a helmet, piano wire kind of thing.

[nzspokes]

All you need for first aid is a cellphone. Most will tell you your location (if you don't know where you are) and allow you to ring 111.

You do know a cell phone does not work everywhere?

[Gremlin]

Cellphone with an epirb app.
Go one better, carry an actual EPIRB, which has more chance of getting a signal out.

[awa355]

You do know a cell phone does not work everywhere?

Agree, 90% of NZ, a heavy bleeder will die before an ambulance can get there if nothing is done. A cell phone isn't much use for stemming a severe bleed. First aid is taking action at the scene to prevent a patient's condition from getting worse. A cell phone is a secondary response.

[Maha]

Go one better, carry an actual EPIRB, which has more chance of getting a signal out.

For as little as $338, not a huge outlay when it comes to potentially life and death....or eldog giving you mouth to mouth ;)

[Hitcher]

Cellphone with an epirb app.

And a tourniquet app.

[willytheekid]

Super Glue!...best component of any first aid kit :yes:

(And gloves!...FFS pack surgical gloves!!)

[nzspokes]

Agree, 90% of NZ, a heavy bleeder will die before an ambulance can get there if nothing is done. A cell phone isn't much use for stemming a severe bleed. First aid is taking action at the scene to prevent a patient's condition from getting worse. A cell phone is a secondary response.

With luck you wont be the only one there and somebody else can call 111. If not chuck it on speaker and get to work.

We were told for greater Auckland its 6 to 8 mins before the Ambo gets to you. Sadly we mostly ride out away from towns.

[Berries]

I noticed in the Dr John Hind vid that he carried a wire saw to cut the chin guard off a helmet, piano wire kind of thing.
I think he had a bit more experience and knowledge than most on here.


Taking real life advice on things as important as saving someones life from an internet forum is daft. Go on a course, learn to save a life.

[granstar]

I do FA ( No! First Aid, as well as fark all) through work, the first thing they tell you is ...

1/ Your own safety first. Make sure you will not get into danger approaching a scene. Other traffic, power lines down, fire, etc. Bleeding.. wear gloves, mouth to mouth wear guard. Aids in NZ is low risk, Cytomegalovirus is common.

2/ Access and secure the scene so no more issues arise, use bystanders, traffic warnings.

3/ get Help, dial 111

4/ Remember it's first aid, do whatever you can until professional help arrives.

A lot of people in the community are trained, as a motorcyclist in potential higher risk of serious harm accidents, you should be too.

Adding 5/ treat for shock, victim comfort and re-assurance, learn recovery position, monitor condition while you wait for help.

[nzspokes]

I think he had a bit more experience and knowledge than most on here.


Taking real life advice on things as important as saving someones life from an internet forum is daft. Go on a course, learn to save a life.

Paramedic vs a first aider. Its why I did the course to get an idea how to keep somebody going until help turns up. After that get the fuck out of the way and let them do what they are trained to do.

[eldog]

life and death....or eldog giving you mouth to mouth ;)

get in line Maha, get in line.:laugh:

i now mostly ride in the countryside so simple tasks like attending to my own injuries is ok.
i also think stuff like eye wash for pollen strike, visor cleaning and a heat blanket - one of those foil ones is a good idea.
its those simple easy to carry items you wouldnt neccessarily think to carry.
glad wrap is easy to carry too.

suggestions welcome

[eldog]

We were told for greater Auckland its 6 to 8 mins before the Ambo gets to you. Sadly we mostly ride out away from towns.

Recent experience - it can be half an hour+ for akl region, and then even the Police have to demand they attend.

[BMWST?]

OK
I will look into this.
Other injuries would be typical, grazes, broke bones, bleeding entrapment, etc.


I will have to ask about helmet if patient is not breathing.

Making sure they can breathe would be my main concern and to leave helmet on, what to do there, what position, how to check etc.
thats a tough one.If they arent breathing and they have a helmet on the helmet must be removed.This of course carries potential danger,but of course so does not breathing

[eldog]

thats a tough one.If they arent breathing and they have a helmet on the helmet must be removed.This of course carries potential danger,but of course so does not breathing

I would suspect the position of the neck and tongue would be be my best guess and clearing of the throat.
if they are breathing I would leave them as they are.

In this scenario I am thinking I will only be riding with 1 other or come upon an accident scene.

[2smokes]

Do a basic first aid cert.
They are compulsory at work and for good reason. The chances are, you are not going to come across some life threatening situation but you will learn how to handle a bloody situation without panic.
True storey. At work about a month ago, older fella comes running in. He is very upset and in a panic. Long storey short, a female work mate had cut her hand with a craft knife. Blood everywhere. She panicked, everyone panicked. I went over to help and found everyone running in ever decreasing circles.
No one had performed any first aid. No one had called 111.

So the benefit of a first aid cert? I made the lady comfortable, stemmed the bleeding, called an ambulance and calmed everyone down. It all seems like common sense.

The cool thing to come from this, the staff at this business have now done some first aid training.

[george formby]

Do a basic first aid cert.
They are compulsory at work and for good reason. The chances are, you are not going to come across some life threatening situation but you will learn how to handle a bloody situation without panic.
True storey. At work about a month ago, older fella comes running in. He is very upset and in a panic. Long storey short, a female work mate had cut her hand with a craft knife. Blood everywhere. She panicked, everyone panicked. I went over to help and found everyone running in ever decreasing circles.
No one had performed any first aid. No one had called 111.

So the benefit of a first aid cert? I made the lady comfortable, stemmed the bleeding, called an ambulance and calmed everyone down. It all seems like common sense.

The cool thing to come from this, the staff at this business have now done some first aid training.

Concur. Did a two day course. Got me DR'sABC down and it helps a lot. Had a fire at work recently and the same protocol kicked in. Assessed the risk, secured the area, put the fire out. Methodology. T'was a bit nippy. Lots of panicking, flapping and flames. Horrified to find out I was the only person in the building who knew where the fire extinguishers and first aid kit was.

[russd7]

thats a tough one.If they arent breathing and they have a helmet on the helmet must be removed.This of course carries potential danger,but of course so does not breathing

forget about the breathing and concentrate on cpr, unless you have another two people there to help you you will probably do more harm than good trying to remove the helmet and that time you are spending getting the helmet off is time better spent moving blood around the body.
personally unless i know the person involved i will not perform mouth to mouth (adult) (children and infants i will). if there is an obstruction in the airway it will get removed once you start compression's.

people have mentioned glad wrap but not all people will know why, best thing to put on burns after they have been cooled down, don't put gels or ointments on as these will get scrubbed out at hospital causing a whole lot of extra pain.
reminds me of a story told to a first aid course i did many years ago, story was told to us by a doctor. he had a kid brought in with fairly serious burns, the mother had smeared the burns with jam. When asked why on earth she would do that her reply was "i had no butter left"

probably something only some of the older fraternity might understand :msn-wink:

[SuperMac]

http://the-ride-info.blogspot.co.uk/p/someone-elses-crash.html

[pritch]

Paramedic vs a first aider.

John Hinds was a doctor: an anaesthetist and a trauma expert. A whole nother ball of wax.

For anyone who hasn't seen his lecture it's here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZBXlTHPCg
Some medical jargon, he is talking to medical people, but some humour too.

It's a long time since I did my original first aid course but from memory the first one might be two days and thereafter a one day refresher every few years.
There is a lot of focus on CPR and these days defibrilators feature 'cause they are all over the place.

The training is good to do not just because you could help a stranger, it could be your wife or child.