Custom Laptops

[mashman]

Ever since back in the day when "mobile" tech started appearing, laptops have been jammed full of components I simply don't want or need.

Does anyone know of anywhere that does custom laptops? ... and I don't mean start with a base model and add extras.

As I may well be pissing in the wind, and having build only PC's over the year, how easy is it to get laptop components and throw the fucker together? Also, how tied to OS's are components these days?

[bogan]

Not worth it for pleb devices; ie, removing bits you don't need. Custom is only worth doing if you really need to add something.

[mashman]

Not worth it for pleb devices; ie, removing bits you don't need. Custom is only worth doing if you really need to add something.

It's more a case of I'd rather spend the $ on the cpu or memory or SSD etc... instead of graphics, ginormous screens, optical drives, an over abundance of ports etc...

[Akzle]

buy a mac. linux runs on pretty much anything.

[mashman]

buy a mac. linux runs on pretty much anything.

Fuck off Apple fan boi. Whilst linux runs on pretty much anything, not anything runs on linux. I'm looking to put a development machine together full of MS development goodies.

[bogan]

It's more a case of I'd rather spend the $ on the cpu or memory or SSD etc... instead of graphics, ginormous screens, optical drives, an over abundance of ports etc...

The buy one which plays to those strengths; you don't need to go custom for that.

[mashman]

The buy one which plays to those strengths; you don't need to go custom for that.

I know what I need thanks, and that isn't on offer in this wonderful world of technological choice, or lack of it as it turns out ;)

[bogan]

I know what I need thanks, and that isn't on offer in this wonderful world of technological choice, or lack of it as it turns out ;)

That's incredibly surprising, are you forgetting to search notebooks as well or something?

[mashman]

That's incredibly surprising, are you forgetting to search notebooks as well or something?

It's not surprising to me, given that this has been happening since back in the day. Yeah, I forgot to search the internet before coming on to KB <_<

[bogan]

It's not surprising to me, given that this has been happening since back in the day. Yeah, I forgot to search the internet before coming on to KB <_<

Well that's a bit slack, but I'm feeling generous so I did a wee search for you. Try this one; good processor, no gfx card, shitty screen, decent ram, SSD, only 2 usbs.

http://www.computerstore.co.nz/asus-notebook-p302la-fn072p-13-3-i5-5200u-4gb-128gb-w8pro

[mashman]

Well that's a bit slack, but I'm feeling generous so I did a wee search for you. Try this one; good processor, no gfx card, shitty screen, decent ram, SSD, only 2 usbs.

http://www.computerstore.co.nz/asus-notebook-p302la-fn072p-13-3-i5-5200u-4gb-128gb-w8pro

lol... I said for development, not surfing the internet and using paint or notepad. The only thing that has over my current machine is the SSD, but appreciate your effort.

[bogan]

lol... I said for development, not surfing the internet and using paint or notepad. The only thing that has over my current machine is the SSD, but appreciate your effort.

That i5'll be fine for your kind of development, if you need more cheap number crunching look into getting a desktop to do that; or learn how to farm it out to the GPU to get your money's worth on a fandangled i7 model.

[mashman]

That i5'll be fine for your kind of development, if you need more cheap number crunching look into getting a desktop to do that; or learn how to farm it out to the GPU to get your money's worth on a fandangled i7 model.

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... like I said, I know what I want and why I need it. My current i7 is over 4 years old and is starting to creek a tad and has accumulated way too much stuff, so am looking at replacing its dev activities with a dedicated dev laptop in case I need to travel for conferences or some such nonsense... hence laptop for portability.

[bogan]

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... like I said, I know what I want and why I need it. My current i7 is over 4 years old and is starting to creek a tad and has accumulated way too much stuff, so am looking at replacing its dev activities with a dedicated dev laptop in case I need to travel for conferences or some such nonsense... hence laptop for portability.

See post #2 then, and specify what you need to add...

[mashman]

See post #2 then, and specify what you need to add...

In that case, see posts #1, 3, 7, 9, 11.

[bogan]

In that case, see posts #1, 3, 7, 9, 11.

Perhaps spec what the minimum cpu for your 'dev work' is, will make it a lot easier for us to facilitate a custom solution for you... your other requirements of RAM and SSD are easy drop ins at a later date ofc.

[Gremlin]

Desktops have standards, ATX power supplies, PCI-E/PCI slots, 2.5/3.5/5.25 bays and so forth and look how much empty space there is inside the case. That's the cost of compatibility.

Laptops have a heavy requirement to be compact, so less compatibility more parts made to spec, to OEM, by manufacturers. Try finding free space inside a laptop?

Honestly, it's not worth it. Get an entry level i3 if you want, don't bother with consumer crap. Or get a netbook. Plenty available to suit needs.

eg, just completing a Lenovo X1 Carbon for a client. 256GB SSD wasn't enough (already has that in the current), so I'm upgrading to a 500GB. M.2 format meant two distributors had one option each...

[mashman]

Perhaps spec what the minimum cpu for your 'dev work' is, will make it a lot easier for us to facilitate a custom solution for you... your other requirements of RAM and SSD are easy drop ins at a later date ofc.

i7 minimum.

[Gremlin]

Jaysus, unless your work is heavily CPU bound I'd be thinking there were other limiting factors like an SSD. Depends where the operations are going/waiting etc.

Look at HP's Probook range. Business level without being super expensive...

[TheDemonLord]

Are AlienWare still making Lappies?

I remember a couple of Sexy i7 Lappies from them a while ago - but they were gamer ones (so you are paying a premium for dedicated Graphics)

[mashman]

Desktops have standards, ATX power supplies, PCI-E/PCI slots, 2.5/3.5/5.25 bays and so forth and look how much empty space there is inside the case. That's the cost of compatibility.

Laptops have a heavy requirement to be compact, so less compatibility more parts made to spec, to OEM, by manufacturers. Try finding free space inside a laptop?

Honestly, it's not worth it. Get an entry level i3 if you want, don't bother with consumer crap. Or get a netbook. Plenty available to suit needs.

eg, just completing a Lenovo X1 Carbon for a client. 256GB SSD wasn't enough (already has that in the current), so I'm upgrading to a 500GB. M.2 format meant two distributors had one option each...

Yeah I'd read about the form issues and thought that there must be some smart fuckers out there who've built a "generic" case. Wishful thinking it would seem. There was a place in the u.s. (Sagan or sommet similar) that have cases that take desktop processors, although heat was highlighted as a bit of an issue, so thought I'd chuck it out there to see if anyone's come across the mythical build it yourself laptop.

Might have to grab an old Alienware and go from there. Not what I wanted, but meh.

[mashman]

Jaysus, unless your work is heavily CPU bound I'd be thinking there were other limiting factors like an SSD. Depends where the operations are going/waiting etc.

Look at HP's Probook range. Business level without being super expensive...

I run Visual Studio, which should explain a lot lol... but yeah, there'll be lots of load testing and potentially CI iffen I can be arsed. I could setup a network of PC's, but they ain't very portable and my network is knowledge stopped 15 years ago. I'd throw in an SSD, but I'd rather have a dedicated "clean" machine and will be using my current i7 for other things.

I've currently got an HP, but it has disintegrated badly over the years and I'd worn most of the letters off it in about 3 months. I believe ASUS are well put together mind, but again, I haven't been looking at a new laptop, just building my own.

[bogan]

i7 minimum.

Not much room for custom there as the new ones are BGA (mobo soldered). You could go haswell and try for the cheapest G3 (or Ivy/G2) one then upgrade the processor.


Desktops have standards, ATX power supplies, PCI-E/PCI slots, 2.5/3.5/5.25 bays and so forth and look how much empty space there is inside the case. That's the cost of compatibility.

Laptops have a heavy requirement to be compact, so less compatibility more parts made to spec, to OEM, by manufacturers. Try finding free space inside a laptop?

Honestly, it's not worth it. Get an entry level i3 if you want, don't bother with consumer crap. Or get a netbook. Plenty available to suit needs.

eg, just completing a Lenovo X1 Carbon for a client. 256GB SSD wasn't enough (already has that in the current), so I'm upgrading to a 500GB. M.2 format meant two distributors had one option each...

Yeh that M.2 stuff is well slow to be coming out, and a little confusing with some being PCIE controlled and other sata.

[Ocean1]

There was a place in the u.s. (Sagan or sommet similar) that have cases that take desktop processors, although heat was highlighted as a bit of an issue,

And battery life. I had two "portable desktops", both reasonably bulletproof. Was a good option for what I was doing at the time.

[mashman]

Are AlienWare still making Lappies?

I remember a couple of Sexy i7 Lappies from them a while ago - but they were gamer ones (so you are paying a premium for dedicated Graphics)

Aye, fuckin expensive ones with way more frills than I need, a you say graphics, but superb build quality. Damned fine pieces of kit mind.

[TheDemonLord]

Aye, fuckin expensive ones with way more frills than I need, a you say graphics, but superb build quality. Damned fine pieces of kit mind.

Yeah - I have the problem that I like fast PCs, but when you get up to that level, they come with dedicated GPUs - it makes it hard to convince the boss that it won't be used for Gaming....:whistle::whistle:

[mashman]

Not much room for custom there as the new ones are BGA (mobo soldered). You could go haswell and try for the cheapest G3 (or Ivy/G2) one then upgrade the processor.

Typical... looked at haswell and some barebone vendors, but they're expensive for what they are and I kind of grudge it like I did back in the day. the great thing about back in the day though, was that we knew the Dell rep from t' pub and he got us what we wanted. We weren't high end users, but he understood the reason for removing the mobile stuff and upping the other bits... especially as we were dealing with tens and tens of millions of rows.

[bogan]

I run Visual Studio, which should explain a lot lol...

VS isn't resource hungry at all. And it's pretty simple to get work done by the GPU. If you're getting modern, you should really look into that aspect of dev work.

[mashman]

And battery life. I had two "portable desktops", both reasonably bulletproof. Was a good option for what I was doing at the time.

I'm not too fussed about battery life given that it'll last about 30 seconds with all of the cores lit up like Blackpool illuminations. I did look at portable desktops, but the thought of going overseas with one of 'em doesn't really appeal... that and I'm a weakling.

[mashman]

VS isn't resource hungry at all. And it's pretty simple to get work done by the GPU. If you're getting modern, you should really look into that aspect of dev work.

For small apps mebee, but it has to fight with SQL Server for resources. I've not looked into the extra uses of GPU architecture... although an i7, SSD and a feckload of RAM should negate the need to farm off extra work onto any GPU's.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not too fussed about battery life given that it'll last about 30 seconds with all of the cores lit up like Blackpool illuminations. I did look at portable desktops, but the thought of going overseas with one of 'em doesn't really appeal... that and I'm a weakling.

I like to think that my laptop (which is a beast, but I like it) could be used in the case of a Zombie outbreak as a Weapon of Last resort....

[mashman]

Yeah - I have the problem that I like fast PCs, but when you get up to that level, they come with dedicated GPUs - it makes it hard to convince the boss that it won't be used for Gaming....:whistle::whistle:

bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... heard a similar thing from a mate a few months ago when he was told by the boss that he could pick his own laptop. They are hard to justify given that they're designed for gaming eh lol.

[mashman]

I like to think that my laptop (which is a beast, but I like it) could be used in the case of a Zombie outbreak as a Weapon of Last resort....

I've got kids... better reach when swung by the ankles :shifty:

[TheDemonLord]

bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... heard a similar thing from a mate a few months ago when he was told by the boss that he could pick his own laptop. They are hard to justify given that they're designed for gaming eh lol.

It's even harder when Steam and Origin are installed on your current Work Laptop :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[bogan]

For small apps mebee, but it has to fight with SQL Server for resources. I've not looked into the extra uses of GPU architecture... although an i7, SSD and a feckload of RAM should negate the need to farm off extra work onto any GPU's.

It would, but you seem adamant you need those things because you don't want a gpu so you can't farm it out there, so have to go with a more expensive lappie.

So why not just get an i5 with dedi gpu for cheaper and look into using the gpu?


bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... heard a similar thing from a mate a few months ago when he was told by the boss that he could pick his own laptop. They are hard to justify given that they're designed for gaming eh lol.

They're really not, just google cuda. I've justified SLI 660tis and green LED case fans for work compies before :eek:


It's even harder when Steam and Origin are installed on your current Work Laptop :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Ok, that does make it a little harder to justify then :bleh:

[mashman]

It's even harder when Steam and Origin are installed on your current Work Laptop :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... get the network admin to throw the games on a VM, then privacy is ALT-TAB away :woohoo:

[mashman]

It would, but you seem adamant you need those things because you don't want a gpu so you can't farm it out there, so have to go with a more expensive lappie.

So why not just get an i5 with dedi gpu for cheaper and look into using the gpu?

They're really not, just google cuda. I've justified SLI 660tis and green LED case fans for work compies before :eek:


Ugh, dunno if I'm keen to go down that road, but good to know that it's an option.

[Gremlin]

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... get the network admin to throw the games on a VM, then privacy is ALT-TAB away :woohoo:
I'd laugh harder than that if someone came to me with that request... :laugh:

When users do kick up a fuss (and it's rare) I remind them that users come and go, the network never does. Therefore network > users.

When I built my desktop a couple of months ago I didn't bother with an i7, getting an i5 just below unlocked, and spending the difference on better graphics. For gaming and most single threaded type purposes, the i7 doesn't really warrant the benchmark difference... so money can be spent with better returns in other areas.

[Big Dog]

For small apps mebee, but it has to fight with SQL Server for resources. I've not looked into the extra uses of GPU architecture... although an i7, SSD and a feckload of RAM should negate the need to farm off extra work onto any GPU's.
So offload the grunt. Chuck SQL in the cloud. Run vs local. Presto.

I use a tablet for remote dba support. Often over 2g.
At work I have a full blown desktop I can remote desktop back to from my mobile.

Or you can spend some time configuring your local instance.
Bare minimum to run on a laptop without killing it, limit your ram access so that your laptop has 4gb of unreserved space plus 1gb for every 8. E.g if you have 8gb of team limit your reservation to 4. You have 16gb of ram you need 6gb that SQL has no access too. Etc.
If your running 2 or more CPUs you want one tempdev file for every CPU. But no more than 8.
If you never push from your machine to live regularly run a Script to disable full recovery and purge your log files.
Turn off auto close and auto shrink.

If you don't ken what I am gibbering about send me your specs and I will send you some scripts.

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[Big Dog]

I can get a little militant about it but I say make your work fit your tools. If you have tried and can't then you buy hardware.

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[mashman]

I'd laugh harder than that if someone came to me with that request... :laugh:

When users do kick up a fuss (and it's rare) I remind them that users come and go, the network never does. Therefore network > users.

When I built my desktop a couple of months ago I didn't bother with an i7, getting an i5 just below unlocked, and spending the difference on better graphics. For gaming and most single threaded type purposes, the i7 doesn't really warrant the benchmark difference... so money can be spent with better returns in other areas.

You sound like a right tight cunt :shifty: One of 'em used to stream snooker and darts (n stuff) from his house for our entertainment at work. Excellent for downtime and highly recommended as a user appeasement method lol.

Like I said earlier, this is going to be a dedicated dev machine and I'd like it to be as performant as possible to save as much time as possible. We had seriously munchy desktops at my last work, but on a couple of the projects it was quicker to fix bugs than it was to spin up the project and unit test them. This machine needs to be ready for almost anything as I'll not be sticking with one particular architecture or indeed a single hosting environment.

[mashman]

So offload the grunt. Chuck SQL in the cloud. Run vs local. Presto.

I use a tablet for remote dba support. Often over 2g.
At work I have a full blown desktop I can remote desktop back to from my mobile.

Or you can spend some time configuring your local instance.
Bare minimum to run on a laptop without killing it, limit your ram access so that your laptop has 4gb of unreserved space plus 1gb for every 8. E.g if you have 8gb of team limit your reservation to 4. You have 16gb of ram you need 6gb that SQL has no access too. Etc.
If your running 2 or more CPUs you want one tempdev file for every CPU. But no more than 8.
If you never push from your machine to live regularly run a Script to disable full recovery and purge your log files.
Turn off auto close and auto shrink.

If you don't ken what I am gibbering about send me your specs and I will send you some scripts.

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I hear ya big man :niceone:. One of the finished products will likely end up in the cloud, and whilst I've thought about throttling SQL, when it needs to grab resources I'd rather that it can, as it may highlight a coding issue that'd otherwise be missed, especially under load testing.

[mashman]

I can get a little militant about it but I say make your work fit your tools. If you have tried and can't then you buy hardware.

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Heh... yeah I've been the same since post #2, but was holding out for "that guy" who's persisted enough to find that 1 company that does what I want and therefore saving dipshits like me decades of research. It is not looking good so far lol, so will likely have to buy and upgrade. WTF is the world coming to when abundantly available technology, isn't :crybaby:

[bogan]

Heh... yeah I've been the same since post #2, but was holding out for "that guy" who's persisted enough to find that 1 company that does what I want and therefore saving dipshits like me decades of research. It is not looking good so far lol, so will likely have to buy and upgrade. WTF is the world coming to when abundantly available technology, isn't :crybaby:

Next time let us know what it is you want in post #1 instead of #18 and #2 might better answer your question. And don't forget, some i7s are just dual core on mobiles anyway.

Or just learn to code for common devices, thus allowing you to buy a common device, cheaper.

And you don't have to buy and upgrade, just get an off the shelf one that has what you want; so what if it has a little more than that? It'll be cheaper overall.

[mashman]

Next time let us know what it is you want in post #1 instead of #18 and #2 might better answer your question. And don't forget, some i7s are just dual core on mobiles anyway.

Or just learn to code for common devices, thus allowing you to buy a common device, cheaper.

And you don't have to buy and upgrade, just get an off the shelf one that has what you want; so what if it has a little more than that? It'll be cheaper overall.

I did. I said I wanted to build my own. The rest is pretty much moot.

lol... :facepalm:

It's looking likely that that's the route I'm gonna have to take in light of a lack of a true custom solutions available. Piss poor really in today's world, but not unexpected.

[bogan]

Piss poor really in today's world, but not unexpected.

The processors used in lappies are soldered to the motherboard (with the exceptions I already pointed out), due to the benefits of speed and heat dissapation, motherboards form the shape of the laptop and include the io/graphics module (and leave space for optical drive if required), the laptops shape dictates its screen size, battery capacity, etc. The standard components you can swap are just ram, and hard drive.

So if your spec is i7 (and I assume you mean the quad core one), then it'll narrow down the subsequent options in a logical fashion.

So just which bit is piss poor? That the tech used is now too advanced for hamfisted loons to go poking around the internals of it? That's just the 'price' of progress.

You don't want to build your own, you just want an easy option to say you did. Building your own is still entirely possible, but you'd use desktop components and a custom made case/screen etc (and a basic knowledge of electronics and mechanical engineering); but given your line of questioning you don't have the skillset for that.

[mashman]

So just which bit is piss poor? That the tech used is now too advanced for hamfisted loons to go poking around the internals of it? That's just the 'price' of progress.

You don't want to build your own, you just want an easy option to say you did. Building your own is still entirely possible, but you'd use desktop components and a custom made case/screen etc (and a basic knowledge of electronics and mechanical engineering); but given your line of questioning you don't have the skillset for that.

It's just a fucking laptop. That each one is designed so differently that it negates modularity is simply fuckin stupid! So no, it isn't the price of progress, it's idiocy!

I don't have time to mine the necessary minerals, so yes, I am relying on the convenience factor of prebuilt components, but that convenience is time not ability. So now that we're sliding into bogan wankfest land... Thanks for the useful help you gave.

[Big Dog]

I hear ya big man :niceone:. One of the finished products will likely end up in the cloud, and whilst I've thought about throttling SQL, when it needs to grab resources I'd rather that it can, as it may highlight a coding issue that'd otherwise be missed, especially under load testing.
Throttling the ram is best practice. It also leads to much better performance not less. Especially if you don't reboot every day.

The other enhancements in suggest would be more akin to taking the baffles out.

I manage about 30 production instances over. All of them run a lot faster with a lot less down time (in spite of nearly double the workload over the last 12 months ) since I spent some time fettling them.


If you are really dealing with million + row answers the biggest performance gains would be setting your max dop to half your cores, your cost to about 200 and your temp db to 1 file per core.



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[Big Dog]

SQL has to work first time no matter where it is installed. So 90% of the settings can be customised and about 30% should be.

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[mashman]

Throttling the ram is best practice. It also leads to much better performance not less. Especially if you don't reboot every day.

The other enhancements in suggest would be more akin to taking the baffles out.

I manage about 30 production instances over. All of them run a lot faster with a lot less down time (in spite of nearly double the workload over the last 12 months ) since I spent some time fettling them.


If you are really dealing with million + row answers the biggest performance gains would be setting your max dop to half your cores, your cost to about 200 and your temp db to 1 file per core.


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I've no doubt there'll be huge performance gains to be had, but I usually "attack" them once I've got a decent flow of traffic going through the site in order to gives me the read/write stats for decision making.

It won't be millions of rows for a while, I hop lol... but I expect we'll get there. As yet I'm unsure as to what SQL in the cloud will allow me to administer... but it's good to know that there is more wriggle room in terms of throttling, it's just not at the top of the list yet, product is.

[mashman]

SQL has to work first time no matter where it is installed. So 90% of the settings can be customised and about 30% should be.

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heh... it fucking better work first time or the apps'll go nowhere pretty quickly :laugh:

[Big Dog]

I've no doubt there'll be huge performance gains to be had, but I usually "attack" them once I've got a decent flow of traffic going through the site in order to gives me the read/write stats for decision making.

It won't be millions of rows for a while, I hop lol... but I expect we'll get there. As yet I'm unsure as to what SQL in the cloud will allow me to administer... but it's good to know that there is more wriggle room in terms of throttling, it's just not at the top of the list yet, product is.
Azure limits you a fair bit. But there is a lot of fancy auto configuration goes on.
But you only pay for outbound traffic if you mark it non production.
Amazon you can buy into scalable auto configuration service or you can save some money and run it yourself.
You pay all the time it is running but it auto scales to any budget you set.

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[Big Dog]

heh... it fucking better work first time or the apps'll go nowhere pretty quickly [emoji23]
Yep and they know developers want a working platform now. security and configura can wait.

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[bogan]

It's just a fucking laptop. That each one is designed so differently that it negates modularity is simply fuckin stupid! So no, it isn't the price of progress, it's idiocy!

Exactly, it's just a fucking laptop so buy an off the shelf model and get over yourself cos no, you can't swap out BGA processor chips to give herbs to an otherwise plebby laptop

They're not designed different to one-another to negate modularity, they designed without modularity because ensuring they were modular increases build cost and decreases the user experience.

[mashman]

Azure limits you a fair bit. But there is a lot of fancy auto configuration goes on.
But you only pay for outbound traffic if you mark it non production.
Amazon you can buy into scalable auto configuration service or you can save some money and run it yourself.
You pay all the time it is running but it auto scales to any budget you set.

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Tis as I thought, but hey, so long as it'll allow me to script indexes, all should be well with the world. Will be giving Azure the once over in the next few weeks. Chur for the info.


Yep and they know developers want a working platform now. security and configura can wait.

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True... then they can spend money on buying in DBA's to sort out developer mess lol.

[mashman]

Exactly, it's just a fucking laptop so buy an off the shelf model and get over yourself cos no, you can't swap out BGA processor chips to give herbs to an otherwise plebby laptop

They're not designed different to one-another to negate modularity, they designed without modularity because ensuring they were modular increases build cost and decreases the user experience.

Enjoy your wankfest.

[Erelyes]

They're not designed different to one-another to negate modularity, they designed without modularity because ensuring they were modular increases build cost and decreases the user experience.

Drivers/firmware are enough of a nightmare with laptops, without cobbling together a frankenstein.

[bogan]

Enjoy your wankfest.

Enjoy you unnecessary whinge about things you don't understand.


Drivers/firmware are enough of a nightmare with laptops, without cobbling together a frankenstein.

Yeh, excellent point. I do remember one guy doing a custom laptop build out of desktop parts which would get around that as well, might try and dig it out as it was reasonably interesting.

[Gremlin]

You do need to pay attention to the SQL setup, otherwise a badly setup one will be a dog. I remember looking at a server (not a client, but they were casting about) and with 2-3 SQL instances the machine was using all 24GB ish of memory plus that again in paging and was as slow as a dog.

Best to limit the memory a DB gets (or something... I don't admin DBs as a daily job, but clients have them and there isn't anyone else - so it's a crash course in SQL) and it will actually work better.

[mashman]

You do need to pay attention to the SQL setup, otherwise a badly setup one will be a dog. I remember looking at a server (not a client, but they were casting about) and with 2-3 SQL instances the machine was using all 24GB ish of memory plus that again in paging and was as slow as a dog.

Best to limit the memory a DB gets (or something... I don't admin DBs as a daily job, but clients have them and there isn't anyone else - so it's a crash course in SQL) and it will actually work better.

True... fortunately I'll be using a single instance and I've dealt with 6.5/7/2000/2005/2008 admin/config over the years, so am more than comfortable with it even if it wasn't/isn't my day in day out bread and butter. Piece of piss like... dunno what all the fuss is about :shifty:

[Big Dog]

Tis as I thought, but hey, so long as it'll allow me to script indexes, all should be well with the world. Will be giving Azure the once over in the next few weeks. Chur for the info.



True... then they can spend money on buying in DBA's to sort out developer mess lol.

And that is how I feed my family.

[Big Dog]

You do need to pay attention to the SQL setup, otherwise a badly setup one will be a dog. I remember looking at a server (not a client, but they were casting about) and with 2-3 SQL instances the machine was using all 24GB ish of memory plus that again in paging and was as slow as a dog.

Best to limit the memory a DB gets (or something... I don't admin DBs as a daily job, but clients have them and there isn't anyone else - so it's a crash course in SQL) and it will actually work better.

Yep, by default Microsoft prioritises sql over the os... leave it long enough and the the page files starts flapping... leave it a bit longer and the os freezes.

If you are talking OS 20+GB of RAM and SQL is the only app served from the box you should try limiting your swap file to 6gb... much faster all around. Only really problematic if you also have IIS or you are on a users workstation. Worst case roll back the change if you dont like it but your gui if you have one will be much snappier and and if not then you will notice less I/o in general to your c:\.

[mashman]

And that is how I feed my family.

Glad to be of service :laugh:

[Big Dog]

Glad to be of service :laugh:

If you really want to ignore Bogan et al, Pizza Hutt do Custom cases. http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7Hd7cXs7tU4/maxresdefault.jpg

[mashman]

If you really want to ignore Bogan et al, Pizza Hutt do Custom cases.

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa@ignoring bogan. Is that because I haven't instantly rushed out and done what he said instead of weighing up my options (all of his input included) and doing what I want given that I know my experience, time available and technical ability? If so, then yeah, he can get fucked for being his consistently incorrect and presumptuous self ;)

I saw that pic yesterday and lol'd appropriately... whilst inside, I have to say, I was marvelling at its genius.

[Akzle]

ahhh. microsoft. how shit thou art. (manually set static pagefile size for least BSOD lulz, as for setting windows' swappiness..... ahh fuck, just upgrade to an operating system that isn't utter utter shit.)


buy a mac and install windows then. dick.

[Akzle]

also.

make yourself a server farm and get it to do the thinking, rsh into it from your craptop and set it to compile, then go have coffee... or whatever it is you weird english pricks drink...

this works from anywhere with internets...

[bogan]

Is that because I haven't instantly rushed out and done what he said instead of weighing up my options.

It's probably because you are still bitching about them not making what you want so you can make what you want with it :scratch:

Feel free to build a pizza box laptop for twice the price of one with the same components just to show how good you are at ignoring me :laugh:

[Akzle]

Therefore network > users.

you're syntax is gay.

[mashman]

It's probably because you are still bitching about them not making what you want so you can make what you want with it :scratch:

Feel free to build a pizza box laptop for twice the price of one with the same components just to show how good you are at ignoring me :laugh:

Sorry, twice in 5 pages really must get on yer tits eh... sucks to have such a short memory as yours, else you may have seen the humourous side.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... I'm not out to prove anything or indeed ignore you. Wonder if husababe will add you to the narcissists of KB list.

[mashman]

also.

make yourself a server farm and get it to do the thinking, rsh into it from your craptop and set it to compile, then go have coffee... or whatever it is you weird english pricks drink...

this works from anywhere with internets...

I only need a laptop... and I do a great line in english teabags iffen yer interested... a couple of dunks should shut you the fuck up :D

[husaberg]

Sorry, twice in 5 pages really must get on yer tits eh... sucks to have such a short memory as yours, else you may have seen the humourous side.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... I'm not out to prove anything or indeed ignore you. Wonder if husababe will add you to the narcissists of KB list.

Bogan has his own designation.:lol:
Anyway anyone would think you were a pom with all ya that whinging.:nya:

[Virago]

you're syntax is gay.

Your grammar is gayer.

[bogan]

Sorry, twice in 5 pages really must get on yer tits eh... sucks to have such a short memory as yours, else you may have seen the humourous side.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... I'm not out to prove anything or indeed ignore you. Wonder if husababe will add you to the narcissists of KB list.

Just round that shit up to the whole thread eh. It's is a little humorous, but mostly just tragic as you continue to lament things that are not done the way you think (through ignorance) that they should be.

Isn't that one of those things where caring about what's on the list puts you on it? :whistle:


Bogan has his own designation.:lol:

Well as you long as you didn't capitalise it there too...

[mashman]

Bogan has his own designation.:lol:
Anyway anyone would think you were a pom with all ya that whinging.:nya:

Cool.
You should try it someday, it's a mind opener :bleh:

[husaberg]

Just round that shit up to the whole thread eh. It's is a little humorous, but mostly just tragic as you continue to lament things that are not done the way you think (through ignorance) that they should be.

Isn't that one of those things where caring about what's on the list puts you on it? :whistle:



Well as you long as you didn't capitalise it there too...

I was shouting it out as you have no ears.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/09/dd/f1/09ddf1f27f23936791de373d476a5576.gif

[bogan]

I was shouting it out as you have no ears.

Sexy sexy cylons everwhere!

http://www.onlinetvcast.com/upload/shows/show_43_thumbForVideoPanel.jpg

She'd give me a custom lap top, if you know what I mean :blip:

[mashman]

Just round that shit up to the whole thread eh. It's is a little humorous, but mostly just tragic as you continue to lament things that are not done the way you think (through ignorance) that they should be.

Isn't that one of those things where caring about what's on the list puts you on it? :whistle:


I guess that reflects your negative attitude towards, well, everything. Still, it's fuckin funny. :killingme at the uber ironing of ignorance as you have no clue as to what I think about anything. Then again, that's your negative outlook for ya.

Fuck knows, it ain't my list... but if you say so, then what you say must be the case.

[bogan]

I guess that reflects your negative attitude towards, well, everything. Still, it's fuckin funny. :killingme at the uber ironing of ignorance as you have no clue as to what I think about anything. Then again, that's your negative outlook for ya.

Fuck knows, it ain't my list... but if you say so, then what you say must be the case.

Ah, I see now, you need such a grunty processor because your code is as waffly and erroneous as your posts :killingme

[Akzle]

Your grammar is gayer.
ironing not your strong point, huh?

[mashman]

Ah, I see now, you need such a grunty processor because your code is as waffly and erroneous as your posts :killingme

Yup, that's the one.

[Big Dog]

There used to be a hobby crowd that had laptop cases you fit an atx motherboard with their psu, but no battery and standard laptop peripherals.
But they went under. Because product was heavy, ugly, expensive and inconvenient.
Dell corporate will give you a price on any spec you want but if it can't be met out of their inventory you need to order a few hundred.

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[husaberg]

AS i can't be f-reading the pages
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/barebones-laptop
http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=85

[mashman]

There used to be a hobby crowd that had laptop cases you fit an atx motherboard with their psu, but no battery and standard laptop peripherals.
But they went under. Because product was heavy, ugly, expensive and inconvenient.
Dell corporate will give you a price on any spec you want but if it can't be met out of their inventory you need to order a few hundred.

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How to 3D Print a Laptop (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-3d-print-a-laptop) :blip:


AS i can't be f-reading the pages
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/barebones-laptop
http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=85

Chur... but such has been covered.

[Big Dog]

How much time and money do you have to dedicate to this project that you would buy a 3d printer?

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[husaberg]

Chur... but such has been covered.

Yet Isn't that exactly what you wanted..............
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-rRyiidjU1o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[mashman]

How much time and money do you have to dedicate to this project that you would buy a 3d printer?

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but but but I could sell custom laptops and would have a reason for buying components in the hundreds :killingme :crybaby: :killingme.

[mashman]

Yet Isn't that exactly what you wanted..............

The Alienware one below the first link result is closer to what I'd be looking at, but more up to date.

[Berries]

It's more a case of I'd rather spend the $ on the cpu or memory or SSD etc... instead of graphics, ginormous screens, optical drives, an over abundance of ports etc...
How do you get a ginormous screen on a laptop unless you is one fat bastard with a big lap?

[mashman]

How do you get a ginormous screen on a laptop unless you is one fat bastard with a big lap?

Training and good balance

http://mastertu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/ROKFMag2001.9.p94.jpg

[TheDemonLord]

Ah, I see now, you need such a grunty processor because your code is as waffly and erroneous as your posts :killingme

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131230135353/mlp/images/8/8a/Oh-snap-1322775931.jpg

[Gremlin]

How do you get a ginormous screen on a laptop unless you is one fat bastard with a big lap?
Easy... you say you want a really big screen, I double check that's what you want, specify how much it's going to weigh (17" screen) - so around 4-5kg. You insist.

I deliver (already setup prior) and your first reaction is blimey, that's a bit big and heavy.

:facepalm:

[SPman]

My new Laptop is more of a portable desktop - but, as I leave it plugged in 95% of the time, anyway...it doesn't really matter

Metabox (Clevo) P750ZM

15.6" FHD 1920x1080 IPS Matte LED
Nvidia GeForce GTX 970M with 6GB GDDR5 VRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K Processor ( 8MB L3 Cache 4.00 - 4.40GHz) - it's a desktop processor
16GB DDR3-1866MHZ RAM
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2 SATA 3 SSD - for main boot
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SATA3 SSD - I had a spare one so - into HD bay #1 it went.
1TB 7200RPM HDD - bulk storage in HD bay #2
Intel 8260 AC Dual Band WIFI/BT
No optical drive, but I've got an external one anyway, and also run it through a 24" HD Monitor screen
Running Win7 Pro ATM - a bit heavy at 3.1Kg
Heat not a problem so far, but then, I'm not a modern gamer, and it runs CAD style programs OK.....

I was feeling bored!

[mashman]

My new Laptop is more of a portable desktop - but, as I leave it plugged in 95% of the time, anyway...it doesn't really matter

Metabox (Clevo) P750ZM

15.6" FHD 1920x1080 IPS Matte LED
Nvidia GeForce GTX 970M with 6GB GDDR5 VRAM
Intel Core i7-4790K Processor ( 8MB L3 Cache 4.00 - 4.40GHz) - it's a desktop processor
16GB DDR3-1866MHZ RAM
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2 SATA 3 SSD - for main boot
Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SATA3 SSD - I had a spare one so - into HD bay #1 it went.
1TB 7200RPM HDD - bulk storage in HD bay #2
Intel 8260 AC Dual Band WIFI/BT
No optical drive, but I've got an external one anyway, and also run it through a 24" HD Monitor screen
Running Win7 Pro ATM - a bit heavy at 3.1Kg
Heat not a problem so far, but then, I'm not a modern gamer, and it runs CAD style programs OK.....

I was feeling bored!

Duh. Ya know, thanks for that. A PC it is.

[Ocean1]

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/175393-best-laptops-for-engineers-when-work-requires-a-real-workstation

[Akzle]

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/175393-best-laptops-for-engineers-when-work-requires-a-real-workstation

dem lenovos are baws. And take a fucken beating too.