Russia is up and flying and throwing bombs [Archive]

Voltaire

1st October 2015, 09:35

Is this start of another world wide screw up big time? and it will be all amount MONEY once again, no matter what any one says and claims. It helps all or Europe and the USA to start another war

It's Americas fault, (just ask Katman or any of his boyfriends...)

Well, either that or it's their Zionist puppet masters.

1st must do multi quote....makes it seem more intense

You can't believe any of it as its MSM- need to find some obscure blog

Essential Wiki quote- must be true as not MSM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%27s_role_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

or better still, long cut and paste.

Notable events concerning Russia in the Syrian Civil War

In October–November 2011, the Syrian National Council is formed. Russia and China exercise veto authority over a United Nations resolution seeking to condemn and sanction the Assad government.[58]

In December 2011–February 2012, the Arab League Monitoring Mission is deployed to Syria, unarmed. Violence between the Assad government and the opposition forces grows, and many flee the country. A second UN resolution is voted down by China and Russia.[58]

On 11 June 2013, President Vladimir Putin acknowledged that President Assad's position had led to the current situation in Syria. He stated on Russian state media that:

"Syria as a country was rife for some kind of change. And the government of Syria should have felt that in due time and should have undertaken some reform. Had they done that, what we're seeing in Syria today would have never happened."[77]

On 26 June 2013, the Deputy Russian Foreign Minister confirmed that the small Russian naval base at Tartus has been evacuated. Mikhail Bogdanov stated that: "Presently, the Russian Defense Ministry has not a single person stationed in Syria. The base does not have any strategic military importance".[78][79]

On 9 September 2013, responding to U.S. threats of strikes against Syria in response to use of chemical weapons in Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov issued a proposal intended to avert a U.S. attack, with provisions including Syria's placing its chemical weapons under international control and their subsequent destruction.[80]

On 12 September 2013, The New York Times published an op-ed by Vladimir Putin urging the United States to avoid unilateral military action and work with international cooperation in support of a negotiated solution to the Syrian conflict.[81]

On 30 September 2015, the Russia’s State Duma approved the use of Russian troops in Syria to fight terrorist groups, the Islamic State in particular, at a request from the Syrian President Bashar Assad.[5]
2015 intervention and airstrikes
It has been suggested that Russian-led intervention in Syria be merged into this section. (Discuss) Proposed since September 2015.
See also: Russian-led intervention in Syria and September 2015 Russian air raids in Syria

As of September 2015, Russia has stepped up its military presence in Syria, deploying 12 SU-25 ground attack aircraft, 12 SU-24 interdictor aircraft[82][83], 6 Sukhoi Su-34 medium bombers[84] and 4 SU-30 multirole combat aircraft and 15 helicopters (including Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters)[85] at the Bassel Al-Assad International Airport near Latakia.[86][87][88][89][90] The planes are protected by at least two or possibly three SA-22 surface-to-air, antiaircraft systems, and unarmed MQ-1 Predator-like surveillance drones are being used to fly reconnaissance missions.[87] In addition to air forces, ground forces include 6 T-90 tanks, 15 artillery pieces, 35 armored personnel carriers and 200 Marines (with housing facilities for 1,500 personnel)[91] BM-30 Smerch multiple missile launchers have been spotted near Latakia.[92]

In response to reports of Russian intervention, the Army of Conquest's Liwa al-Haqq commander Abu Abdullah Taftanaz posted a tweet addressing the "infidel Russians", inviting them to send troops to Syria and saying that "we have thousands like Khattab" who would "slaughter your pigs".[93][94] Abu Abdullah Taftanaz also tweeted Russian military terms for Syrian rebels to familiarize themselves with if they intercepted Russian radio chatter.[95][96][97][98][99] Reportedly Chechen and Caucasian foreign fighters have begun flocking to the coastal regions of Syria where the Russians are based in order to seek them out.[100] Ahmad Eissa al-Sheikh, a commander in Ahrar ash-Sham, threatened to bring upon "Russian hell in a Levantine flavor" if they encountered the Russians.[101][102] Harakat Fajr ash-Sham al-Islamiya leader Abu Abdullah ash-Shami tweeted about the "globalization" of the "Levantine Jihad".[103][104] He also tweeted that on the Russians and said that "The Levant will become their graveyard, with the permission of Allah".[105]

On 30 September 2015, Russian President Vladimir Putin requested permission from Federation Council, the upper house of the Russian parliament, to deploy the country's military in Syria. Permission was granted after a unanimous vote, however any combat operations will be limited to using the air force.[106] On the same day Russian media reported that Syrian President Bashir Asad had asked for Russia to intervene by providing military assistance.[107]

On 30 September 2015, Russia launched its first aistrikes against targets in Rastan, Talbisseh, and Zaafarani in Homs province of Syria.[108][109][110][111] Moscow gave the United States a one-hour advanced notice of its operations.[112]

and finally a You Tube Video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXw2ApZrRxs

oldrider

1st October 2015, 10:00

Is this start of another world wide screw up big time? and it will be all amount MONEY once again, no matter what any one says and claims. It helps all or Europe and the USA to start another war

Obama is pissed with Putin for meddling in their war - the whole USA objective was to get rid of Assad and destroy Syria - followed by Iran!

They were trying to wage war between NATO and Russia - to keep them too busy to intervene in the Middle East - then they would help NATO!

Maybe Putin is too smart and keeps getting in the way - Obama is not enjoying (little man) Putin showing him up and spoiling his wars! - :oi-grr: - :corn:

Shaun Harris

1st October 2015, 11:26

Obama is pissed with Putin for meddling in their war - the whole USA objective was to get rid of Assad and destroy Syria - followed by Iran!

They were trying to wage war between NATO and Russia - to keep them too busy to intervene in the Middle East - then they would help NATO!

Maybe Putin is too smart and keeps getting in the way - Obama is not enjoying (little man) Putin showing him up and spoiling his wars! - :oi-grr: - :corn:

True, BUT, it is all just about money, so creating wars to generate more money. Take a look at the % of yanks employed through the war industry, boot lace makers and up and so on, a massive % of there total work force is created from throwing bombs and murdering people basically

Voltaire

1st October 2015, 12:20

You only make money if you country is not part of the battlefield aka the US in all its wars since 1865 ( Pearl Harbor doesn't count) technically there may be some advances but socially its sets places back years.

oldrider

1st October 2015, 12:24

True, BUT, it is all just about money, so creating wars to generate more money. Take a look at the % of yanks employed through the war industry, boot lace makers and up and so on, a massive % of there total work force is created from throwing bombs and murdering people basically

Not disputing that - it's the "why" that confuses most of us!

Henry Kissinger revealed it all back in 2009 - http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85442/ - Old adage: From Chaos comes order! - a New World Order perhaps?

Obama should be right on track with the chaos but for that damn Putin who keeps on getting in his way and outmanoeuvring him!

Obama is running out of time - the next USA election might end in sensation and maybe Obama just might get an unprecedented emergency stay (extension) in office!

(No proof about this - entirely the feeling that I get thinking about the current situation - totally prepared to be wrong - time will tell!)

Shaun Harris

1st October 2015, 13:06

Not disputing that - it's the "why" that confuses most of us!

Henry Kissinger revealed it all back in 2009 - http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85442/ - Old adage: From Chaos comes order! - a New World Order perhaps?

Obama should be right on track with the chaos but for that damn Putin who keeps on getting in his way and outmanoeuvring him!

Obama is running out of time - the next USA election might end in sensation and maybe Obama just might get an unprecedented emergency stay (extension) in office!

(No proof about this - entirely the feeling that I get thinking about the current situation - totally prepared to be wrong - time will tell!)

Obama ran out of time with this around 3 years ago. They should have gone in then and just destroyed nuked what ever the scum bad shit hole places. Sadly, in situations like this, there is always civillians that loose there lives, but do we just sit back and let the terrorists run the world, or do we stop it once and or all, for the good of a lot more citizens world wide.

Swoop

1st October 2015, 18:11

True, BUT, it is all just about money, so creating wars to generate more money.
You're on the right track.

Putin is going in to help a customer of his. Also, there is the longer view.
Assad was a dictator who kept the country under one rule.
The "revolution" led to Syria breaking into factions, which led to an opportunity for isis to gain some ground. Too much ground, as it happened...
Putin had two choices, support Assad (2nd option, due to the UN's incompetent buch of loonies).
Or provide him with exile (1st option, but that has obviously become the second option now).

The threat posed by the mussie-wuzzies is becoming greater to the entire region, so re-imposing the dictator is the better option according to putin.

Main point. How soon do we see Russian aircraft falling out of the sky?
The Russian air force is in a bad state. Airframes are nearing the end of their lives and have been failing often. Engines are even more serious due to the invasion of Ukraine and the loss of manufacturing facilities to replace these parts.
The Blackjack bombers seen near UK airspace recently... This will not last very long, but putin needs to be seen as "strong" in his own country. The "unanimous vote" in the Russian parliament in support of the Syrian excursion is evidence of this.

oldrider

1st October 2015, 20:06

The yanks are full of shit - why would they create ISIS and then wipe them out prematurely - Putin is singing I did it my way - Obama is grinding his teeth! :angry2:

Link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/russia-launches-first-airstrikes-against-targets-in-syria-says-us - :corn:

Russia should stay out of our private war against Assad - says USA!

Quote: While Putin has characterised the Syrian president as a heroic fighter against terrorism, Kerry reiterated again on Wednesday that “by definition” Isis could not be defeated while Assad remained in power. End of Quote!

The real target of the USA is Assad not ISIS.

They wanted NATO to start a war with Russia - now it looks like they will have do it themselves in Syria - or shut the fuck up for a while! :rolleyes:

Why is Russia in Syria?: http://www.rt.com/news/317021-russia-syria-engagement-how/

R650R

1st October 2015, 20:27

Many people don't understand the Russian military doctrine. They are very smart and don't play the same gameplan as the west.
Russia is all about defence, they have seen the economic and military disaster that the Americans have created for themselves, heaps of expensive overseas bases with resupply issues.
Russia will never invade anyone, they will provide very rapid support for chosen allies in a massive no nonsense manner.
They have spent over 400 billion in last ten years modernising their armed forces. Stories of decay are same propaganda plants as the ones about usa F35 being a lemon etc.....
Watch ISIS turn and run, no CIA paycheck is big enough for them to face the Russian war machine, they will quickly fall apart with out American resupply. Guess they'll be a whole lot of Toyota hilux's going cheap soon....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF-6TsqPoQs

yokel

2nd October 2015, 17:52

Ezra Levant of TheRebel.media looks at reports that Russian jets attacking Syrian militants. According to some reports, Russia has just destroyed the "moderates" Obama has been arming.

Shits getting interesting,
what Obama guna do? good time for a school shooting so he can give a stink arse speech to his citizens.

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AllanB

2nd October 2015, 19:58

Some things in the world piss me off.

Like America thinking they are in charge.

Child abuse

Terrorists

Shit like that.

Oddly enough - even if I do not agree with some of their actions or policies Russia's finger to the rest of the world and doing their own thing kind of appeals to me. Somewhere within this ageing body I own is the rebel still.

Sorry what's that Dear? Oh get off the computer ......... OK

FJRider

2nd October 2015, 20:02

Shaun Harris

3rd October 2015, 03:11

yokel

3rd October 2015, 06:41

are the 'moderate rebels" and IS(CIA)IS the same thing?

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lakedaemonian

3rd October 2015, 07:34

heaps of expensive overseas bases with resupply issues.

Expensive? Very. "Re supply issues", silly.

Russia will never invade anyone

You may wish to have a look at Georgia, Ukraine, and a number of other micro States Russia has rolled over. Are you saying Russian soldiers were invited into Hungary 1956 , Czeckoslovakia in 1968, or Afghanistan in 1979?

Or are you giving the change of government from Soviet Union to Russia a pass?

And keep an eye on the Baltic States that Russia is bullying very hard right now, including the kidnap/capture and imprisonment of Baltic citizens within their own sovereign territory.

They have spent over 400 billion in last ten years modernising their armed forces. Stories of decay are same propaganda plants

Russian Air Force airframe crash rate increases, very low flying hours per pilot, and very poor sortie rate for Russian combat ships and subs says distinctly otherwise.

Watch ISIS turn and run, no CIA paycheck is big enough for them to face the Russian war machine, they will quickly fall apart with out American resupply.

You might want to have a look at the Ba'athists for the core competency of ISIS. Particularly the high level skill sets gained from the likes of East Germany's intelligence services during Saddam's reign.

They have the training, the money(looted Iraq treasury in 2003, and pinched another half billion from Iraqi Central bank in the last 12 months ) and have hijacked militant fundamentalist Islam to recruit to simple minded as cannon fodder.

It doesn't excuse the U.S. having turned the country into a chaotic mess, but I'm sorry to say a fair few of the key points in your post are incorrect.

R650R

3rd October 2015, 08:05

scrivy

3rd October 2015, 20:25

The poor old US....
Attacking many countries at their whim, without UN approval, and whats more, attacking Syria without jurisdiction to do so. So its illegal under the UN.
But wait.... Putin was requested by Assad to help... so Putin has in effect done nothing wrong.... considering Assad is still in ccontrol of his country....

The poor US wont be able to kick out Assad and get his oil and a foothold in his country.

What will be very interesting is what will happen if a Russian or Chinese fighter plane gets shot down.... by 'unknown' fighters....

This is where WW3 will start.....

scrivy

3rd October 2015, 20:27

...and what will the Saudis do if Russia/China turn the tide on ISIS?

scrivy

3rd October 2015, 20:32

Russia has attacked key locations so far in a few days that the US hasnt done in a year....
Funny that....

The propaganda machines are running red hot.

scrivy

3rd October 2015, 20:57

...and now Russia will instill a no fly zone.....

That'll fuck the yanks.....

Whats Obomba gunna do now?

awa355

4th October 2015, 00:51

You watch both sides now, "You bombed those hospitals and schools, they were on your side of the street".

"No we didn't, we only targeted the military HQ's on our side".

Voltaire

4th October 2015, 06:30

Israel has been strangely quiet on all this, are they going to do a quick land grab while no one is looking?

The Americans have had their turn at forgetting Vietnam, must be the Russians turn to forget Afghanistan....

mashman

4th October 2015, 07:38

...and now Russia will instill a no fly zone.....

That'll fuck the yanks.....

Whats Obomba gunna do now?

Ground war.

Shaun Harris

4th October 2015, 07:46

Shaun Harris

4th October 2015, 07:53

...and now Russia will instill a no fly zone.....

That'll fuck the yanks.....

Whats Obomba gunna do now?

Generate false Zillions, by flying into there air space by mistake ( Yea write) causing the start of a plane being shot down. This will hurt us all big time finance wise, lucky we are so far away, it will not effect us physically. We are gunna have to re start subsidizing our farming net work to help stay on top of what is coming i reckon.

pritch

4th October 2015, 08:57

Yesterday I was listening to a US news broadcast bemoaning the fact that the Russians aren't even using smart bombs in Syria. Shock, horror! The Russians are only using old fashioned dumb bombs.

This morning I read that in Afghanistan the Yanks have bombed a hospital killing three Medicine Sans Frontieres doctors and injuring a number of other people.

It would seem there were definitely some smarts lacking there.

Shaun Harris

4th October 2015, 10:07

Swoop

4th October 2015, 14:18

Israel has been strangely quiet on all this, are they going to do a quick land grab while no one is looking?

Not a land grab. Drawing a line in the sand...

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Shaun Harris

4th October 2015, 18:23

Not a land grab. Drawing a line in the sand...

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He speaks very well

oldrider

4th October 2015, 18:26

Not a land grab. Drawing a line in the sand...

A tin pot little country like Israel - mouse roaring like a lion - on what do they base such worldly authority and power? - talk about confidence!

Pot calling kettle black - what about their own (illegal?) nuclear arsenal? - Who checks on that?

If they were not so sure about their control over world finance and the USA senate and the UN - would they be making such bold worldly threats?

Swoop

4th October 2015, 18:33

A tin pot little country like Israel - mouse roaring like a lion - on what do they base such worldly authority and power? - talk about confidence!
You have no idea what they produce or what their GDP is, for a nation that would physically fit into northland and has a population double that of NZ.
Their technological skills are the backbone of the country, sourced from their high levels of education.
Unzud could learn a lot by their example.

husaberg

4th October 2015, 18:49

A tin pot little country like Israel - mouse roaring like a lion - on what do they base such worldly authority and power? - talk about confidence!

Pot calling kettle black - what about their own (illegal?) nuclear arsenal? - Who checks on that?

If they were not so sure about their control over world finance and the USA senate and the UN - would they be making such bold worldly threats?

Israel has nuclear weapons they are not illegal. They are not checked by the UN as Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that is not party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. All the other are which is why they are checked.
They have had they for about 40 years and have never used them.

Pakistan is not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and is not bound by any of its provisions.
India is also not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)
Don't worry about that though as it will not suit the its all the jews fault agenda

oldrider

4th October 2015, 19:13

Katman

4th October 2015, 19:14

Israel has nuclear weapons they are not illegal. They are not checked by the UN as Israel is the only Middle Eastern country that is not party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. All the other are which is why they are checked.
They have had they for about 40 years and have never used them.

Your stupidity is astounding.

Voltaire

4th October 2015, 19:25

husaberg

4th October 2015, 19:37

Interesting how the US decides who is allowed Nukes and who can't. Pakistan has nukes. The UN Security Council is still run by ex WW2 victors.... and France...and China.

When you have all the toys I guess you decide who plays in the sandpit.
Its rather ironic how Katman calls me stupid when he can't figure out that all the other middle easten countries in the area voluntarily joined the UN Nuclear non proliferation treaty and Israel as they were able to declined to join it.
Then he can't figure out why they are not inspected or illegal.
http://news.yahoo.com/un-assembly-calls-israel-join-nuclear-treaty-174032033.html

As well as Israel Pakistan and India are not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and is not bound by any of its provisions.

puddytat

4th October 2015, 19:47

& yet everyone else does allow inspections.....sounds dodgey to me & a possible holier than though attitude of the chosen ones. They will reap what they sow...

Swoop

4th October 2015, 21:18

How do you know that I have no idea? - I think you presume too much!

For country or state that is younger than I am I think they have achieved marvels!

So could NZ if it received as much annual monetary assistance from USA taxpayers!
Commenting that it was a "tin pot little country" certainly makes it sound like some backwards country that achieves nothing of note? Perhaps calling it a technological power-house which exports substantial amounts, well over any amount that a population of that size would normally be expected to, would be more appropriate?

I bet the small group of Israeli "technicians" who were here recently, didn't think NZ was very well organised... at all!
(At least they got a free holiday on the NZ taxpayer).

jasonu

5th October 2015, 05:08

Interesting how the US decides who is allowed Nukes and who can't. Pakistan has nukes. The UN Security Council is still run by ex WW2 victors.... and France...and China.

Would you rather a country like Korea or some tin pot dump like Angola did the deciding?

Voltaire

5th October 2015, 06:02

Would you rather a country like Korea or some tin pot dump like Angola did the deciding?

I see your point, North Korea and Angola clearly do not have any oil.

R650R

5th October 2015, 06:55

You have no idea what they produce or what their GDP is, for a nation that would physically fit into northland and has a population double that of NZ.
Their technological skills are the backbone of the country, sourced from their high levels of education.
Unzud could learn a lot by their example.

It is well known they are masters of industrial espionage and now sabotage via stuxnet. What one country wasn't fingered by wikileaks?????
Yes they produce a lot, on land illegally stolen and occupied from the Palestinians and using water they would not otherwise have access too.
Their exports are decling though as people boycott their major brands like sodastream and Motorola...
Just wait til the USA collapses and the billions in defence subsidies disappears....

Shaun Harris

5th October 2015, 07:27

Would you rather a country like Korea or some tin pot dump like Angola did the deciding?

Not really, but would prefer the decisions were not made by the USA war starting machine to make money turn over from

mashman

5th October 2015, 07:57

Meanwhile... Saudi Arabia silently kills UN war crimes probe in Yemen: While Washington remains eerily quiet (http://www.sott.net/article/303117-Saudi-Arabia-silently-kills-UN-war-crimes-probe-in-Yemen-While-Washington-remains-eerily-quiet). Ethnic cleansing anyone?

Sense would state that all govts are in on it given the UN's response. NOW, let's watch the anti-conspiracy brigade sit with their thumbs up their arses with ner a single peep :devil2:

oldrider

5th October 2015, 08:43

Also an interesting little read: http://www.sott.net/article/303320-Israel-sheds-crocodile-tears-as-Putin-outmaneuvers-and-neutralizes-it-in-a-brilliant-strategic-move Note the Picture of the day cartoon - truth there perhaps? :corn:

This claim (by Putin??) will be interesting to follow up on:http://www.sott.net/article/303319-Russia-claims-ISIS-on-the-ropes-after-60-airstrike-bombings-in-72-hours

husaberg

5th October 2015, 12:12

It is well known they are masters of industrial espionage and now sabotage via stuxnet. What one country wasn't fingered by wikileaks?????
Yes they produce a lot, on land illegally stolen and occupied from the Palestinians and using water they would not otherwise have access too.
Their exports are decling though as people boycott their major brands like sodastream and Motorola...
Just wait til the USA collapses and the billions in defence subsidies disappears....

You may want to actually find out who it was that Israel "stole" the west bank from, hint it certainly wasn't Palestine it was actually taken from Jordan. Jordan stole the land from Palestine in 1949.
Up until 1994 Jordan was at war with Israel it wasn't until 1988 that Jordan renounced its claims to the West Bank.

Swoop

5th October 2015, 13:09

... stuxnet.
Well done. You are up to date with 8yr old technology.
Try, Duqu, Flame, etc.

Stux had a target, which it went for and destroyed (without killing people). It succeded.
Would you prefer airstrikes?

lakedaemonian

5th October 2015, 13:40

Thanks cock and next time you quote me don't change the words I typed in the quote box.

I didn't change a single silly word of yours.

I added mine in bold beneath each of yours.

scrivy

5th October 2015, 15:21

Just wait til the USA collapses and the billions in defence subsidies disappears....

Israel.:buggerd::buggerd:

SPman

5th October 2015, 18:13

From Mike Whitney

“A senior member of Russia’s parliament says an ongoing air campaign by Moscow against militants operating in Syria is going to intensify. Alexei Pushkov, who serves as the chairman of the Committee for International Affairs at the Russian State Duma, said Friday that Moscow will be intensifying its attacks against the militants in Syria while studying the risks associated with an extensive operation.
“There is always a risk of being bogged down, but in Moscow, we are talking about an operation of three to four months,” Alexei Pushkov said, Reuters reported.
Russia started to launch coordinated airstrikes on the positions of militants in Syria on Wednesday. The move came shortly after members of the Russian upper house of the parliament, the Federation Council, authorized the operations in Syria.”

There’s not going to be any pussyfooting around. Putin’s going to go straight for the jugular and then head for the exits.

Do you think they’ve figured this out at the White House yet? Do you think they understand that Iranian troops and Hezbollah are not going to distinguish between the “moderate” terrorists and the “extreme” terrorists; that they’re simply going to “kill them all and let God sort it out”.....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/putins-lightning-war-in-syria/

Shaun Harris

5th October 2015, 19:01

From Mike Whitney

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/putins-lightning-war-in-syria/

Killing them all, and letting god sought is the best way to end this

pete376403

5th October 2015, 19:19

ellipsis

5th October 2015, 19:20

...^...

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Shaun Harris

5th October 2015, 19:31

Priceless - one day after warning Russia about civilian casualties, the US bombs a hospital.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32739-focus-one-day-after-warning-russia-of-civilian-casualties-the-us-bombs-a-hospital-in-afghanistan

Usa pollitics are fucked big time. Shame I have so many people there I consider friends. Kinda like racism really, hard not to bad mouth the whole country in generall

ellipsis

5th October 2015, 19:38

...I'm getting a bunch of stout men together to go and beat the fuck out any cunt that cant speak english...we have a boat and seven paddles. We would probably stay here if we could afford to register our bikes and have some extra cash to go racing, but that's not gonna happen.
Wish us well and hum this little ditty for us when you have a spare minute...we have a loaf of bread and a .22...we would have taken a flag but we don't know which one we should fly so we are just taking our best hanky's...I dont have a best hanky so I'm taking a box of tissues...

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SPman

5th October 2015, 19:59

The recent American failure to train and equip anti-Assad forces in Syria is not an isolated incident. It is a symptom of a systemic problem. This article, which recently appeared in the Russian press, explains why

The scandal around the “30th Divison,” which was prepared by American trainers for war against Assad, and which immediately surrendered to the Islamist An-Nusra Front as soon as it crossed the border from Turkey, is now resounding around the entire planet. There will be many such scandals. They have been predetermined by the methodology of American training of “allies”—in Syria, in Georgia and in the Ukraine.

Let's recall that as a result An-Nusra Front (a branch Al-Qaeda) received weapons, equipment and a few pickup trucks from the USA. The commander of the "30th Division" assured representatives of the Front that he fooled the American military in order to get weapons. The problems which caused this to happen can be split into three uneven categories..............................
http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2015/09/american-allies-in-syria-their-shameful.html#more

Jesus wept.....:facepalm:

oldrider

5th October 2015, 20:00

Commenting that it was a "tin pot little country" certainly makes it sound like some backwards country that achieves nothing of note? Perhaps calling it a technological power-house which exports substantial amounts, well over any amount that a population of that size would normally be expected to, would be more appropriate?

Emphasis was about the relative size and population of the country and it's constant world wide financial/military backing - especially the USA!

This report says something like what I meant : http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/israel-the-wages-of-hubris-and-violence/

5th October 2015, 21:42

I'm just sick and tired of America's arrogance in appointing itself in charge of everybody! that it alone has the right to decide that it can send it's troops to any other country to 'intervene' to help them, whether they asked for help or not, and it alone has the righteousness to judge if any other country should dare take similar actions if they were right or wrong.

For once I'm behind Russia and hope they swoop in, clean up ISIS in a matter of weeks. Then sit back, pour themselves a well deserved vodka and ask the west, what was so hard about that? You guys farted around for years trying to clean up that mess. That's how we Ruskies take care of business.

The irony that Obama is criticising Russia's bombing questionable targets when the next day the Yanks accidentally bomb a hospital run by a worldwide charity. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

oldrider

5th October 2015, 22:01

...I'm getting a bunch of stout men together to go and beat the fuck out any cunt that cant speak english...we have a boat and seven paddles. We would probably stay here if we could afford to register our bikes and have some extra cash to go racing, but that's not gonna happen.
Wish us well and hum this little ditty for us when you have a spare minute...we have a loaf of bread and a .22...we would have taken a flag but we don't know which one we should fly so we are just taking our best hanky's...I dont have a best hanky so I'm taking a box of tissues...

Goodbye for now - happy humting - nix on the hanky panky though there is enough of that going on round the world right now! :sunny:

scrivy

6th October 2015, 07:54

The irony that Obama is criticising Russia's bombing questionable targets when the next day the Yanks accidentally bomb a hospital run by a worldwide charity. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

....and the world sits back and waits for the UN to give the USA a big smack on the hand for their wrongdoings......
YEAH RIGHT!!!

The only spanking they'll get is of their monkeys........

Shaun Harris

6th October 2015, 08:25

oldrider

6th October 2015, 09:53

MSM doing it's bit to keep us in the dark and confused - as usual: https://www.rt.com/news/317712-media-syria-military-fails/ Thank you RT news. :shifty:

awa355

6th October 2015, 10:10

....and the world sits back and waits for the UN to give the USA a big smack on the hand for their wrongdoings......
YEAH RIGHT!!!

The only spanking they'll get is of their monkeys........

I might be wrong here, (and being KB, I don't have to check facts) but I believe the biggest portion of UN funding comes from the states, so no surprises there.
As much as I can not stand Donkey, I have to admit his speech to the security council was pretty much spot on. The UN is nothing more than a toothless tiger as far as waving the big stick goes.

Shaun Harris

6th October 2015, 10:44

I might be wrong here, (and being KB, I don't have to check facts) but I believe the biggest portion of UN funding comes from the states, so no surprises there.
As much as I can not stand Donkey, I have to admit his speech to the security council was pretty much spot on. The UN is nothing more than a toothless tiger as far as waving the big stick goes.

The un and the USA are in bed together big time, just like OSH and companies in NZ are- Totally a joke.

scrivy

6th October 2015, 10:52

The un and the USA are in bed together big time, just like OSH and companies in NZ are- Totally a joke.

You need to include NATO in there too.....
Menage a trois......

Actually, the more I think about it, I hope Putin spanks their asses, and shows the US/NATO/EU how to do shit.
It might make the EU states think long and hard about whether they want to suck the US dick so hard in the future.....

It's all big time propaganda anyways......

R650R

6th October 2015, 11:18

Couldn't find where/who posted the American propaganda about Russian 'dumb' bombs, they are using some hi tech stuff....

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151005/1028055319/russia-syria-bombs-missiles.html

Prob why in 60 missions they have killed more terrorists than the us did in over 1600 missions.... I suppose if you actually drop bombs instead of weapons, christmas cards and care packages.....

Shaun Harris

6th October 2015, 11:23

You need to include NATO in there too.....
Menage a trois......

Actually, the more I think about it, I hope Putin spanks their asses, and shows the US/NATO/EU how to do shit.
It might make the EU states think long and hard about whether they want to suck the US dick so hard in the future.....

It's all big time propaganda anyways......

Agreed, Agreed and Agreed- Serious amounts of people are going to need to die to fix this shit up. And it does not come down to a natural kulling process, it comes down to dam greed re $ once again

scrivy

6th October 2015, 11:40

Prob why in 60 missions they have killed more terrorists than the us did in over 1600 missions.... I suppose if you actually drop bombs instead of weapons, christmas cards and care packages.....

Pffttt......
Corporates have to make a profit out of the war dude...... it will have to take the US another 3000 plus sorties to get on top of ISIS...... or at least a trilion dollars... which ever comes first....

...and the US allies will have to spend a shit load too.... you know, as part of the arms buying tactics of the US.... to make even more money from wars...

... and you just wait for the Saudis to throw a fucken spanner in the works in the near future...... then it'll be game on mother fuckers... China and Russia will sort shit out very fast...

But then, the US and UK stand to make truckloads in arms sales...... so they'll be hoping it happens....

Katman

6th October 2015, 12:04

And now the story changes.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/the-radically-changing-story-of-the-u-s-airstrike-on-afghan-hospital-from-mistake-to-justification/

scrivy

6th October 2015, 12:55

And now the story changes.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/the-radically-changing-story-of-the-u-s-airstrike-on-afghan-hospital-from-mistake-to-justification/

You know, I reckon we should get the head of Human Rights in the UN to sort it out........ :shifty: They'll fix it....
(Or at least cut the heads off any non-believers...)

Hey, why don't we use our allies to sanction the US due to their 'agressive' behaviour........ apparently that's how it's done..... eh Russia....:bleh:

oldrider

6th October 2015, 12:59

And now the story changes.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/the-radically-changing-story-of-the-u-s-airstrike-on-afghan-hospital-from-mistake-to-justification/

The onus was on the shooter to identify the target as legitimate before releasing their offensive - can't delegate responsibility/accountability! - Nice try USA! :facepalm:

SPman

6th October 2015, 14:11

Pffttt......

... and you just wait for the Saudis to throw a fucken spanner in the works in the near future...... then it'll be game on mother fuckers.....

Well, the Saudis are getting some practice in Yemen - killing anything that moves outside the capital. Don't here much about that on the msm. The Saudis - corrupt, greedy, vicious, banker to most of the wahabi islamist terror groups around the world, have threatened Russia with "Islamist insurrections" in their Muslim states, a couple of times.......was it any surprise one of the first Russian targets was a town taken by mainly Chechen islamists, last year.

scrivy

6th October 2015, 14:11

The onus was on the shooter to identify the target as legitimate before releasing their offensive - can't delegate responsibility/accountability! - Nice try USA! :facepalm:

Feck me!!
Does the US need to do anything with permission??
How many civilians killed by drone strikes is it now???
When exactly did Assad or even the UN ask the US to fly sorties over Syria??

scrivy

6th October 2015, 14:13

Well, the Saudis are getting some practice in Yemen - killing anything that moves outside the capital. Don't here much about that on the msm. The Saudis - corrupt, greedy, vicious, banker to most of the wahabi islamist terror groups around the world, have threatened Russia with "Islamist insurrections" in their Muslim states, a couple of times.......was it any surprise one of the first Russian targets was a town taken by mainly Chechen islamists, last year.

The whole sorry saga is a fucken powder keg waiting to go off.....

With all the major players now in the game - WW3 here we come......

nodrog

6th October 2015, 14:19

uh oh,

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm

http://images.bwwstatic.com/columnpic6/28D55574B-F190-D46C-061E9A294979B610.jpg

scrivy

6th October 2015, 14:39

uh oh,

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm

http://images.bwwstatic.com/columnpic6/28D55574B-F190-D46C-061E9A294979B610.jpg

Fuck me!!!
That's you n teenie!!
You got a mask for Spaz???

scrivy

6th October 2015, 14:42

uh oh,

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm

Were fuckered then.......

Oh well, let's go borrow shit loads of money from the bank now...... afterall, we won't have to pay it back!!!! ;):whistle:

Hey Gordie....
\/ \/ \/ well??

ellipsis

6th October 2015, 16:53

[QUOTE=nodrog;1130909239]uh oh,

http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm

...I never got past Amy Yei, 160cm and 42 kg...she is Taiwanese and wanted to chat...she hopes China doesn't invade Taiwan on a Wednesday a Thursday or a Saturday as those are her busy days...I was going to ask if she swallowed but my wife was wondering who I was talking Mandarin to, so I had to terminate the call...thanks Gordy...

nodrog

6th October 2015, 18:29

....:

Hey Gordie....
\/ \/ \/ well??

I just thought it was being frigid.

...I never got past Amy Yei, 160cm and 42 kg...she is Taiwanese and wanted to chat...she hopes China doesn't invade Taiwan on a Wednesday a Thursday or a Saturday as those are her busy days...I was going to ask if she swallowed but my wife was wondering who I was talking Mandarin to, so I had to terminate the call...thanks Gordy...

imagine a slanted eyed red head, evil personified.

Swoop

7th October 2015, 11:05

For once I'm behind Russia and hope they swoop in, clean up ISIS in a matter of weeks. Then sit back, pour themselves a well deserved vodka and ask the west, what was so hard about that? You guys farted around for years trying to clean up that mess. That's how we Ruskies take care of business.

Interestingly, the Russians are using a completely different set of Rules of Engagement to the US. The use of human shields means nothing, and all players are seeing this in action. The US has been going after the easy targets with minimal PR fallout. Russia, not so limited, so you will see lots of cunts wailing about being bombed.
Has it hit mainstream media yet: Russia is rebuilding the Syrian Air Force with new MiG-29's. Arms embargo be damned!

They are, however, adopting the US approach of minimal troops on ground combat duties. Get the locals to actually fight for their lands.

Katman

7th October 2015, 11:09

Interestingly, the Russians are using a completely different set of Rules of Engagement to the US. The use of human shields means nothing.....

Like the Americans view of hospitals?

Swoop

7th October 2015, 11:12

Like the Americans view of hospitals?

They had to free up some beds.

R650R

7th October 2015, 12:20

Interestingly, the Russians are using a completely different set of Rules of Engagement to the US.

Yes its called dropping real bombs on terrorist bases instead of weapons, food supplies and Christmas cards.....

The use of human shields means nothing

What human shields are there in terrorist strongholds and bases???? Ohhhh you mean the CIA 'advisors', you cant call special forces troops training terrorists to be innocent human shields.... Going to be questions asked in USA by families, there will no doubt be a lot of special forces guys not coming home, what will they say to the families....

Shaun Harris

7th October 2015, 12:40

Were fuckered then.......

Oh well, let's go borrow shit loads of money from the bank now...... afterall, we won't have to pay it back!!!! ;):whistle:

Hey Gordie....
\/ \/ \/ well??

Loose the usa, and half the battle is gone. FUK me, it even took Bipolar man Winston to get them off there asses in ww2, because they wanted to controll the world then also, with no co-operation with other countries, just dictator mentallity.

awa355

7th October 2015, 12:41

Unfortunately, the 'Good Guy's" died out with colour television.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/lone%20ranger.jpg

And I'm not too sure about him. ;);)

scrivy

7th October 2015, 12:42

Loose the usa, and half the battle is gone. FUK me, it even took Bipolar man Winston to get them off there asses in ww2, because they wanted to controll the world then also, with no co-operation with other countries, just dictator mentallity.

The whole world is finally waking up to the stupidity of the yanks....
They'll be left behind in droves by their former allies.... you wait and see....

Shaun Harris

7th October 2015, 12:45

The whole world is finally waking up the stupidity of the yanks....
They'll be left behind in droves by their former allies.... you wait and see....

I hope you are right mate. They have raped the world for way to long now, and live in there own little bull shit propaganda world, and cannot even spell or measure lol.

Shaun Harris

7th October 2015, 12:46

I just thought it was being frigid.

imagine a slanted eyed red head, evil personified.

you called

scrivy

7th October 2015, 13:22

I hope you are right mate. They have raped the world for way to long now, and live in there own little bull shit propaganda world, and cannot even spell or measure lol.

Yeah, makes me laugh when you hear of them being called a superpower still..... fuck me, they are in debt to 18+ trillion dollars.....

NZ would be a superpower too if we printed that sort of extra money and had that much debt..... knowing we would never have to pay it back.....

Hey, I just clicked.....

Those yanky cunts know there's aliens, and there's going to be an attack.......

Bastards didn't tell us.........

Shaun Harris

7th October 2015, 14:06

Yeah, makes me laugh when you hear of them being called a superpower still..... fuck me, they are in debt to 18+ trillion dollars.....

NZ would be a superpower too if we printed that sort of extra money and had that much debt..... knowing we would never have to pay it back.....

Hey, I just clicked.....

Those yanky cunts know there's aliens, and there's going to be an attack.......

Bastards didn't tell us.........

Haha, prob correct man

Tazz

7th October 2015, 14:33

Some interesting, non warmongering western media efforts, on this site.

http://www.sott.net/

Was sad to see the BBC run with all that hyped up shit on the Turkish - Russian airspace kurfuffle. They used to be good, but I have been living under a bit of a rock lately.

FUK me, it even took Bipolar man Winston to get them off there asses in ww2, because they wanted to controll the world then also, with no co-operation with other countries, just dictator mentallity.

No, it took the waiting for the Japanese to attack and the Germans to declare war on them (which was an added bonus, Hitler didn't have to do that at all when he did) because Roosevelt had promised the US public they wouldn't be fighting a war for anyone else as they (the US public) were very, very anti it. They needed some tragic incident to clear themselves politically and rally the nation before they could enter. That said in the late 30's their armed forces numbers were under 200,000. Rome had a bigger army than that :laugh: so they weren't exactly a powerhouse of force until later in the war when the machine cogs started whirring anyway.
The discussions before that attack about trying to break some of the banking control away from the UK after the war was a good move. The UK and Germany essentially controlled the worlds finances and even today there is still a firm grip of control coming from that area.
The shit they pulled after the war in the scramble for German tech and beyond were the beginnings of the main dick head US moves. IMO.

Even though they had been asking for help for a decade or so to avoid, stop, sidestep and then help avoid being annihilated (as things progressed. Russia even joined the league of nations or whatever it was called to try and get some help to de-escalate things well before war came), and got absolutely hammered, it was Russia that turned the tide of WWII and essential 'won' it for the 'allied' forces anyway. Russia was battling more fronts at any one time than the combined total of UK, USA and France etc. Even if they were a few million out, the death numbers reflect that (27m approx. Other allied forces all well under 1m each as a rule). Stalin and team, as big of a fuckwit as he was, did all that minus all the military heads he had executed a few years earlier.

Don't tell Hollywood the US did fuck all though. They'll go broke.

awa355

7th October 2015, 14:37

Yeah, makes me laugh when you hear of them being called a superpower still..... fuck me, they are in debt to 18+ trillion dollars.....

NZ would be a superpower too if we printed that sort of extra money and had that much debt..... knowing we would never have to pay it back......

Obama just needs to walk down to the Fed, and say "I want $9 trillion please". "Yes sir, we will just write 9 trillion here, you sign here, here and here and it's all done. Have a nice day".

scrivy

7th October 2015, 15:04

Obama just needs to walk down to the Fed, and say "I want $9 trillion please". "Yes sir, we will just write 9 trillion here, you sign here, here and here and it's all done. Have a nice day".

Is that with or without a blow job???;)

awa355

7th October 2015, 15:16

Is that with or without a blow job???;)

Didn't know Monica was in banking?

oldrider

7th October 2015, 15:52

The whole world is finally waking up to the stupidity of the yanks....
They'll be left behind in droves by their former allies.... you wait and see....

Well - (not according to the poll on 9/11) - the whole world has not yet woken up to their own stupidity!

Normalcy bias will not allow the majority to question the lies!

Most (all) of the leaders and politicians of the world have skeletons in the closet and as a result are controllable - if they don't comply MSM etc will crucify them!

Take a good look at the current election offerings of the USA - would you buy a used car off any of them?

If these candidates don't pedal the required line the benefactors cut the funding - result? - political oblivion!

Adage: He who pays the piper calls the tune and all of the candidates dance to it or die! - Fuckwits and opportunists the lot of them! :brick:

Shaun Harris

7th October 2015, 16:37

Some interesting, non warmongering western media efforts, on this site.

http://www.sott.net/

Was sad to see the BBC run with all that hyped up shit on the Turkish - Russian airspace kurfuffle. They used to be good, but I have been living under a bit of a rock lately.

No, it took the waiting for the Japanese to attack and the Germans to declare war on them (which was an added bonus, Hitler didn't have to do that at all when he did) because Roosevelt had promised the US public they wouldn't be fighting a war for anyone else as they (the US public) were very, very anti it. They needed some tragic incident to clear themselves politically and rally the nation before they could enter. That said in the late 30's their armed forces numbers were under 200,000. Rome had a bigger army than that :laugh: so they weren't exactly a powerhouse of force until later in the war when the machine cogs started whirring anyway.
The discussions before that attack about trying to break some of the banking control away from the UK after the war was a good move. The UK and Germany essentially controlled the worlds finances and even today there is still a firm grip of control coming from that area.
The shit they pulled after the war in the scramble for German tech and beyond were the beginnings of the main dick head US moves. IMO.

Even though they had been asking for help for a decade or so to avoid, stop, sidestep and then help avoid being annihilated (as things progressed. Russia even joined the league of nations or whatever it was called to try and get some help to de-escalate things well before war came), and got absolutely hammered, it was Russia that turned the tide of WWII and essential 'won' it for the 'allied' forces anyway. Russia was battling more fronts at any one time than the combined total of UK, USA and France etc. Even if they were a few million out, the death numbers reflect that (27m approx. Other allied forces all well under 1m each as a rule). Stalin and team, as big of a fuckwit as he was, did all that minus all the military heads he had executed a few years earlier.

Don't tell Hollywood the US did fuck all though. They'll go broke.

Had Winston not warned the USA that Japan was going to attack, and the usa all but laughed it off though? Most interesting thread I ever read on here, cheers all.

Tazz

7th October 2015, 16:47

Had Winston not warned the USA that Japan was going to attack, and the usa all but laughed it off though? Most interesting thread I ever read on here, cheers all.

The USA 100% knew the Japanese would attack, they were cutting off their oil supplies.

The company line was that they didn't expect a Pearl Harbour attack because they thought the Japanese would hit the Philippines, where the oil was, but the reality (depending on how open minded you are) is that they knew it was coming and let it happen for the reasons stated in the first paragraph.

Depending how deep you want to go it is said they had an opportunity to retaliate on the same day and decimate the Japanese air force then and there but the shot callers wouldn't because doing so didn't fit the political agenda at that stage. It is also said most of the ships in Pearl Harbour were a bit of a dummy fleet, not the state of the art machines. Also, 2,500 Americans dead. Small number considering.

For the scale of how they ramped the war machine up, towards the end the US was producing 100,000 air craft per year. The Japanese 70,000, but, that 70,000 is TOTAL, for the whole war.
It is absolutely no wonder they are still in the business of war today when you look at the production it kicked off for them.

ellipsis

7th October 2015, 16:48

Tazz

7th October 2015, 17:04

...every cunt rode the pigs back or, pulled on the bear's coat tails for sixty years...yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice...the pig got too fat and so did the cunts riding it... and the bear stayed lean...

And the pig got too PC to function. In Russia, if you get shanked in prison, tough shit. You're in a fucking prison anyway.
In the US, where it is an industry rather than a punishment anyway, you can get hospitalised and compensation :laugh:

I definitely don't agree with the the lack of some human rights in a lot of areas in places like Russia, but you have to admit it enables them to get shit done and survival of the fittest is why they have the reputation as being tough as fuck. Not to mention the folks they've been fighting off for generations, well, centuries now (I'm not going to use the word Muslim or Islamic because that is unfair to the small percentage of them that having been starting wars since BC times).

Shit, think I've had too much coffee today. Time to get off the internet :laugh:

Swoop

7th October 2015, 17:51

What human shields are there in terrorist strongholds and bases?
The local population are used surrounding the isis depots and locations. No need for foreigners at all, but you would have known this from the latest Stuxnet newsletter, eh?

Shaun Harris

7th October 2015, 18:51

The USA 100% knew the Japanese would attack, they were cutting off their oil supplies.

The company line was that they didn't expect a Pearl Harbour attack because they thought the Japanese would hit the Philippines, where the oil was, but the reality (depending on how open minded you are) is that they knew it was coming and let it happen for the reasons stated in the first paragraph.

Depending how deep you want to go it is said they had an opportunity to retaliate on the same day and decimate the Japanese air force then and there but the shot callers wouldn't because doing so didn't fit the political agenda at that stage. It is also said most of the ships in Pearl Harbour were a bit of a dummy fleet, not the state of the art machines. Also, 2,500 Americans dead. Small number considering.

For the scale of how they ramped the war machine up, towards the end the US was producing 100,000 air craft per year. The Japanese 70,000, but, that 70,000 is TOTAL, for the whole war.
It is absolutely no wonder they are still in the business of war today when you look at the production it kicked off for them.

yep, I was told the % of people employed in the usa too war related industry work, and that alone is huge when you consider the number of staff. Boot laces, clothing etc etc etc, it was a massive % of the entire work force. There pretending days are getting very close to the end though, and will create a very crazy world wide economy hick up, but personally, I would prefer to be hungry, than ruled by them any longer, and watching J Key lick there asses any more, in the name of New Zealand.

oldrider

7th October 2015, 19:37

Just who is fucking who? - starting to come clearer in Middle East?: https://www.rt.com/news/317831-saudi-clerics-jihad-syria-russia/ - :shifty:

Voltaire

7th October 2015, 19:56

Some interesting, non warmongering western media efforts, on this site.

http://www.sott.net/

Was sad to see the BBC run with all that hyped up shit on the Turkish - Russian airspace kurfuffle. They used to be good, but I have been living under a bit of a rock lately.

No, it took the waiting for the Japanese to attack and the Germans to declare war on them (which was an added bonus, Hitler didn't have to do that at all when he did) because Roosevelt had promised the US public they wouldn't be fighting a war for anyone else as they (the US public) were very, very anti it. They needed some tragic incident to clear themselves politically and rally the nation before they could enter. That said in the late 30's their armed forces numbers were under 200,000. Rome had a bigger army than that :laugh: so they weren't exactly a powerhouse of force until later in the war when the machine cogs started whirring anyway.
The discussions before that attack about trying to break some of the banking control away from the UK after the war was a good move. The UK and Germany essentially controlled the worlds finances and even today there is still a firm grip of control coming from that area.
The shit they pulled after the war in the scramble for German tech and beyond were the beginnings of the main dick head US moves. IMO.

Even though they had been asking for help for a decade or so to avoid, stop, sidestep and then help avoid being annihilated (as things progressed. Russia even joined the league of nations or whatever it was called to try and get some help to de-escalate things well before war came), and got absolutely hammered, it was Russia that turned the tide of WWII and essential 'won' it for the 'allied' forces anyway. Russia was battling more fronts at any one time than the combined total of UK, USA and France etc. Even if they were a few million out, the death numbers reflect that (27m approx. Other allied forces all well under 1m each as a rule). Stalin and team, as big of a fuckwit as he was, did all that minus all the military heads he had executed a few years earlier.

Don't tell Hollywood the US did fuck all though. They'll go broke.

And Russia and Germany did carve up Poland with their " non aggression pact"

Until June 1941 the Russians let the Germans import via the Trans Siberian route much needed war materials,

Churchill did tell the Russians the Germans were going to attack but " we have a non aggression pact" ( bletchley park, them wat cracked Enigma..the code not the song.

The Japs really only had one shot...no way could they meet US production but Hitler ( sorry Hitcher) did say the US can only make cars and refrigerators..... opps,

probably end up with a Gulf of Tonkin event to kick off a war....

awa355

7th October 2015, 19:57

This does not help the states cause in the middle east much.

https://www.rt.com/news/261485-us-blocks-nukes-deal/

Katman

7th October 2015, 19:59

And while we're on the subject of WW2, let's not forget that in the early 1950's Henry Ford sued the American government (and won) for bombing his German tank factories during the war.

Voltaire

7th October 2015, 20:31

And while we're on the subject of WW2, let's not forget that in the early 1950's Henry Ford sued the American government (and won) for bombing his German tank factories during the war.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm

can't beat a dollar each way in a war..

MSM so probably not true <_<

oldrider

7th October 2015, 21:55

Look around the world while this media distraction is ranting and our eyes are off the ball!

Palestine for instance - Israel is being nasty again! https://www.rt.com/news/317806-idf-clashes-palestine-injured/

What will Russia do (if?) when it has re-establish Assad and chased off the terrorists?

Take this back off Israel? https://www.rt.com/business/317906-oil-golan-heights-israel/

R650R

8th October 2015, 16:03

Good vid here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6&v=qDAYTAVM8Js

oldrider

8th October 2015, 19:17

Early days for Russian success - Ahab the Arab will soon work out (aided by clandestine USA) ways of embarrassing them and the MSM will crucify them too! :bash:

Watch this space - it will probably get messy before it gets better! - Telling someone the killing will stop when the behaviour improves is a risky plan! (IMO) :corn:

Murphy's law isn't it? - what can go wrong "will" go wrong! :scratch:

yokel

8th October 2015, 19:47

If you're going to take on Russia, you're going to have a bad time.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/54050673.jpg

oneofsix

8th October 2015, 19:51

If you're going to take on Russia, you're going to have a bad time.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/54050673.jpg

Yep, that worked well for the Russians in Afghanistan, they sure showed those Afghans a thing or two, like how to die. Rinse and repeat by the look of it.

yokel

8th October 2015, 19:58

Yep, that worked well for the Russians in Afghanistan, they sure showed those Afghans a thing or two, like how to die. Rinse and repeat by the look of it.

haha true, so it's Afghan 2.0
after all that time money the yanks spent setting up ISIS what are they going to do now?

false flag perhaps?

Tazz

8th October 2015, 20:13

And Russia and Germany did carve up Poland with their " non aggression pact"

Until June 1941 the Russians let the Germans import via the Trans Siberian route much needed war materials,

Churchill did tell the Russians the Germans were going to attack but " we have a non aggression pact" ( bletchley park, them wat cracked Enigma..the code not the song.

The Japs really only had one shot...no way could they meet US production but Hitler ( sorry Hitcher) did say the US can only make cars and refrigerators..... opps,

probably end up with a Gulf of Tonkin event to kick off a war....

The non aggression pact was simply to avoid confrontation. Germany was in the position the Russians predicted/feared and they didn't want to go up against them. The Russians tried numerous avenues and requested, maybe you could even say pleaded, for help from the 'allied' forces for years beforehand. They were never in bed with the Germans.

Stalin thought the UK intelligence was trying to entice them into war to take pressure off the UK. His actions before this point in history showed him to be one hell of a mistrusting mofo :laugh:

If Germany had worked with the Japs they would have won (as much as anyone really 'wins' this kind of shit), but the whole 'master race' thing meant the Germans thought of Japan as future problem, rather than an ally (or even asset for the time being) and part of their grand plan.

Hopeful looking alternate reality series is coming up soon too fyi: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740299/

And while we're on the subject of WW2, let's not forget that in the early 1950's Henry Ford sued the American government (and won) for bombing his German tank factories during the war.

Fark don't get started on that drop kick. More German than most Germans at the time, kinda like Hitler himself I guess. History has been kind to him though.

R650R

9th October 2015, 15:21

Yep, that worked well for the Russians in Afghanistan, they sure showed those Afghans a thing or two, like how to die. Rinse and repeat by the look of it.

At least the Russians cut their losses and moved on.... just look at Americas 'mission accomplished' there... funny you mention though as just like afganistan the 'rebels' are funded and backed/trained by the CIA etc....
Except this time they are foreign mecernaries and once the money train stops and the security of American intelligence telling where to hide stops they will run.

America in Syria 'fighting' ISI is like the mafia going round and taking protection money from store owners. Russia is the new cop in town who wont take a bribe to look the other way and is clearing out all the trash.

oldrider

9th October 2015, 15:39

Yep, that worked well for the Russians in Afghanistan, they sure showed those Afghans a thing or two, like how to die. Rinse and repeat by the look of it.

True!

And, if I remember correctly, they (Russians) did tell Americans not to put troops in on the ground in Afghanistan but as usual - they knew everything! :facepalm:

husaberg

9th October 2015, 17:01

Russia is the new cop in town who wont take a bribe to look the other way and is clearing out all the trash.

Yeah Russia is renowned for its lack of corruption :laugh:
Obnal

R650R

9th October 2015, 17:21

Straight from the horses mouth....

"Russia is bombing the terrorist groups 'rebels' funded and trained by our CIA..."
Didn't Bush say you were either with us or the terrorists, sounds like theres three options now.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDKmM8npBQ

awa355

9th October 2015, 17:42

True!

And, if I remember correctly, they (Russians) did tell Americans not to put troops in on the ground in Afghanistan but as usual - they knew everything! :facepalm:

I hear they have portraits of Rambo on the corridor walls of the Pentagon. :eek5::eek5::eek5:

Kickaha

9th October 2015, 18:08

Straight from the horses mouth....

"Russia is bombing the terrorist groups 'rebels' funded and trained by our CIA..."

Yes that must be correct, because the Russians are more credible than any other group :facepalm:

R650R

10th October 2015, 03:18

Yes that must be correct, because the Russians are more credible than any other group :facepalm:

Errrr if you watch the video its American senator John McCain saying it twice in several minutes on CNN....

Kickaha

10th October 2015, 06:07

Errrr if you watch the video its American senator John McCain saying it twice in several minutes on CNN....

Ah yeah my mistake being a dumbarse and making assumptions without watching

Must have missed it but I didn't hear him mention terrorist or rebels, he does say the supported they anti Assad lot, are they the terrorists and Rebels you mean?

Katman

10th October 2015, 06:26

Ah yeah my mistake being a dumbarse and making assumptions without watching

Must have missed it but I didn't hear him mention terrorist or rebels, he does say the supported the anti Assad lot, are they the terrorists and Rebels you mean?

The rebels that McCain is referring to (the ones he's suggesting America could supply with the means to shoot down Russian planes) are part of the Free Syrian Army - who are the ones trying to over throw Assad.

The FSA have also said if they were to get into power they could work with Al Nusra who are very closely linked to Al Qaeda - and have tentative links to ISIS.

So it's becoming increasingly clear that America are quite prepared to arm the rebels that should probably be one of their targets in their so-called 'War on Terror'.

What a sordid little affair America is creating.

Kickaha

10th October 2015, 06:33

So it's becoming increasingly clear that America are quite prepared to arm the rebels that should probably be one of their targets in their so-called 'War on Terror'.

What a sordid little affair America is creating.

They've been at it for decades supporting one group or another depending on what their end goal is, what they're doing now is nothing new

yokel

10th October 2015, 06:36

They've been at it for decades supporting one group or another depending on what their end goal is, what they're doing now is nothing new

ah mccain you've done it again

https://truthernews.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/isis-john-mccain.jpg

Katman

10th October 2015, 06:36

They've been at it for decades supporting one group or another depending on what their end goal is, what they're doing now is nothing new

That's probably why they're not taking their fight against ISIS very seriously.

(And why they are getting so pissed off with Russia for taking it seriously).

Katman

10th October 2015, 06:41

And once you start to fully understand just how despicable America's meddling in the Middle East is, it becomes easier to accept that the events of 9/11 are not what we've been led to believe.

Voltaire

10th October 2015, 06:51

And once you start to fully understand just how despicable America's meddling in the Middle East is, it becomes easier to accept that the events of 9/11 are not what we've been led to believe.

Despicable :gob:

http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/despicable-me.jpg

Gru is the US Govt and the minions are everyone else.

Kickaha

10th October 2015, 06:56

ah mccain you've done it again
Has he really?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world/middleeast/try-as-he-may-john-mccain-cant-shake-falsehoods-about-ties-to-isis.html?_r=0

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/17/rand-paul-eats-up-those-long-debunked-mccain-isis-rumors.html

It's all about what you want to believe happened, rather than what actually happened

Katman

10th October 2015, 07:05

Has he really?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world/middleeast/try-as-he-may-john-mccain-cant-shake-falsehoods-about-ties-to-isis.html?_r=0

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/17/rand-paul-eats-up-those-long-debunked-mccain-isis-rumors.html

It's all about what you want to believe happened, rather than what actually happened

Quite frankly, I'd consider Rand Paul as one of the few trust-worthy people in American politics at the moment.

yokel

10th October 2015, 07:11

Has he really?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world/middleeast/try-as-he-may-john-mccain-cant-shake-falsehoods-about-ties-to-isis.html?_r=0

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/17/rand-paul-eats-up-those-long-debunked-mccain-isis-rumors.html

It's all about what you want to believe happened, rather than what actually happened

so when the New York times says it's a hoax then it must be a hoax right??

Kickaha

10th October 2015, 07:18

so when the New York times says it's a hoax then it must be a hoax right??

Not at all, people that want to believe it's a hoax will, people who don't want to believe it's a hoax wont and both will find stuff to support their argument either way

yokel

10th October 2015, 07:23

Not at all, people that want to believe it's a hoax will, people who don't want to believe it's a hoax wont and both will find stuff to support their argument either way

In that interview, why is Mccain fumbling and bumbling his speech?
are you able to tell when someone is full of shit or not?

The fact is the US was supporting ISIS back in 2013

Voltaire

10th October 2015, 07:25

Quite frankly, I'd consider Rand Paul as one of the few trust-worthy people in American politics at the moment.

They can't have set him up with a honey trap yet, like in the film Ides of March.

Rodney Hide started off with good intentions....

Voltaire

10th October 2015, 07:27

In that interview, why is Mccain fumbling and bumbling his speech?
are you able to tell when someone is full of shit or not?

The fact is the US was supporting ISIS back in 2013

Ex Us Pilot shot down over Vietnam and former POW....yeah what would he know about anything... as for full of shit....you fit the bill rather well. :yawn:

yokel

10th October 2015, 07:30

Ex Us Pilot shot down over Vietnam and former POW....yeah what would he know about anything... as for full of shit....you fit the bill rather well. :yawn:

Don't get me wrong, he knows something all right.

Kickaha

10th October 2015, 07:31

are you able to tell when someone is full of shit or not?

In your case it's pretty easy

Most people are nowhere near as good at it as they like to think

Katman

10th October 2015, 07:38

They can't have set him up with a honey trap yet, like in the film Ides of March.

Rodney Hide started off with good intentions....

His father Ron Paul never submitted to the people behind the scenes pulling the strings.

He went from being the main contender for presidency to oblivion simply due to the media black-out that was imposed on him by the people who knew they couldn't subjugate him.

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Voltaire

10th October 2015, 08:03

Don't get me wrong, he knows something all right.

Saying that...Herr Hitler was an awarded soldier in WW1 but did not really work out as a Politician either..:msn-wink:

oldrider

10th October 2015, 08:04

Ex Us Pilot shot down over Vietnam and former POW....yeah what would he know about anything.. :yawn

On the surface I agree but!

With McCain's history and background I find it very hard to reconcile his political position or thinking - I have listened to him a lot and read his comments!

Sorry - war hero or not - I am inclined to believe that in this case yokel might just be right! :corn:

flyingcrocodile46

10th October 2015, 10:08

His father Ron Paul never submitted to the people behind the scenes pulling the strings.

He went from being the main contender for presidency to oblivion simply due to the media black-out that was imposed on him by the people who knew they couldn't subjugate him.

Truth doesn't seem to count for much around here. There ain't many experienced tasters.

flyingcrocodile46

10th October 2015, 10:10

Quite frankly, I'd consider Rand Paul as one of the few trust-worthy people in American politics at the moment.

From what I see, he has sold out (at least partially) to gain some credibility in the eyes of his bent peers. (unlike his dad). I guess he saw what happened to his dad and doesn't want a repeat.

Katman

10th October 2015, 10:14

I guess he saw what happened to his dad and doesn't want a repeat.

That's the way I see it.

If he wants to get somewhere he has to take a slightly different approach than his father did.

I'd be surprised if he hadn't inherited a large portion of his father's integrity.

Woodman

10th October 2015, 10:14

Katman

10th October 2015, 10:16

How is a media blackout orchestrated? and by whom?

By those who control the mainstream media.

oldrider

10th October 2015, 10:23

How is a media blackout orchestrated? and by whom?

If you genuinely want to get to grips with that - studying up on Ron Paul and the media treatment of him is probably as good as it gets - for starters! :shifty:

scumdog

10th October 2015, 10:33

Somewhere within this ageing body I own is the rebel still.

Sorry what's that Dear? Oh get off the computer ......... OK

The rebel still?

Is that one of them things rebels use to make moon-shine??:confused:

Woodman

10th October 2015, 10:56

By those who control the mainstream media.

Ok, good start, but I am more interested in the chain of command, rather than blaming "them".

Not disagreeing with what you say, but just interested in the mechanics of it, e.g. who whispers in whose ear, and how many ears that whisper goes through and so on.

Katman

10th October 2015, 11:21

Ok, good start, but I am more interested in the chain of command, rather than blaming "them".

Not disagreeing with what you say, but just interested in the mechanics of it, e.g. who whispers in whose ear, and how many ears that whisper goes through and so on.

Well you could start by finding out who owns the vast majority of America's mainstream media organisations.

(Just don't mention the J word though - you'll upset Oscar, bogan and husaberk).

oldrider

10th October 2015, 11:33

Ok, good start, but I am more interested in the chain of command, rather than blaming "them".

Not disagreeing with what you say, but just interested in the mechanics of it, e.g. who whispers in whose ear, and how many ears that whisper goes through and so on.

That's a very good question but the closest you will ever get to the answer is it's like defining "quality" you know it when you see it!

"They" are not going to tell you! :no:

That's why they become "them"! :scratch: - it's circumstantial. :rolleyes:

Woodman

10th October 2015, 12:08

buggerit

10th October 2015, 12:29

How is a media blackout orchestrated? and by whom?

When did you see the last strike reported in your major daily?

R650R

10th October 2015, 12:46

Still no answers better than "them".

Considering how many media outlets there are in the USA, that's a hell of a lot of people to control.

They are very very good at gagging people whose career is based on telling stories aye.

Wow the webpage just crashed while I was typing how it works.....

98% of world media controlled via corporate ownership and company structures so that about 6 people have total control over whats published.
The job of editor at paper, mag or tv channel is coveted job that's hard to get. Stories are closely checked for anything that might offend advertisers, let alone people who can land a rendition team on the roof with helicopters.
In journalism you have to culture contacts to trust you and give information to be able to tell a story. Just look at recent scandels in NZ news with ACC etc.... Try getting someone in govt dept to talk to media now on anything sensitive...
I totally freaked out one manager at transit just by doing basic journalism 101 and getting his number and mailing address for interview questions on minor topic.

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-if-i-d-written-all-the-truth-i-knew-for-the-past-ten-years-about-600-people-including-me-would-hunter-s-thompson-184489.jpg

Katman

10th October 2015, 13:11

oldrider

10th October 2015, 13:28

Still no answers better than "them".

Considering how many media outlets there are in the USA, that's a hell of a lot of people to control.

They are very very good at gagging people whose career is based on telling stories aye.

Just add money - enough to be comfortable - dependency - debt - fear - positive/negative suggestion - manage the required outcomes!

Occasionally a righteous renegade will pop out of the woodwork - brand him a whistle-blower - publicly denounce him/her - you know the drill.

When "they" have a firm hold upon your genitals - the head and the heart will follow - carrot and stick - punishment and reward - dependants?

Your goose is cooked :eek:

History is all around you - are you debt free - do you have dependants - are you free to say and do as you like/want? - if not - why not? - can you see "them" yet! :confused:

pritch

10th October 2015, 14:42

Interestingly too, over the last 30 odd years through take-overs, buy-outs and merges, roughly 50 individual major mainstream media corporations have been reduced to about 6.

The number who control the media is getting smaller all the time.

There was a guy posted a brief comment a week or two back on Twitter. His newspaper was telling him that the BBC TV was a waste of money and should be shut down. He observed that his newspaper was owned by the same guy (Murdoch) that owned the BBCs opposition (SKY).

Swoop

10th October 2015, 15:09

98% of world media controlled via corporate ownership and company structures so that about 6 people have total control over whats published.

Wow. 6 people?
How many media outlets around the world are there? And those 6 people have to edit all of those outlets?

They must work 746hrs each day to edit them all...
Hope they get paid well.

Katman

10th October 2015, 15:11

They must work 746hrs each day to edit them all...

Don't be silly.

People that wealthy don't work.

Other people carry out their orders.

Swoop

10th October 2015, 15:13

Don't be silly.

People that wealthy don't work.

Other people carry out their orders.

We have been "informed" that there are 6 people. Only 6.
Get with the programme.

Katman

10th October 2015, 15:15

We have been "informed" that there are 6 people. Only 6.
Get with the programme.

Well if we're talking only 6 major (Western) mainstream media corporations then 6 owners is probably about right.

Swoop

10th October 2015, 15:18

Well if we're talking only 6 major mainstream media corporations then 6 owners is probably about right.

That covers 98% of the world's media?
Those half-dozen are busy people. Vetting all the product of journalists' to make sure they are all "with the plan".
Because there IS a plan, isn't there?

Katman

10th October 2015, 15:21

Because there IS a plan, isn't there?

I think they're called Protocols or something.

husaberg

10th October 2015, 15:27

Well you could start by finding out who owns the vast majority of America's mainstream media organisations.

(Just don't mention the J word though - you'll upset Oscar, bogan and husaberk).

No one gives a shit when you use the word Jew unless you are spouting off the same tired old neo Nazi shit as you pollute all the other threads with.
The fact that quite a few people individually call what you post racist propaganda should be a hint that it is tired old racist neo nazi crap.

Interestingly too, over the last 30 odd years through take-overs, buy-outs and merges, roughly 50 individual major mainstream media corporations have been reduced to about 6.

The number who control the media is getting smaller all the time.

here (above) Katman is trying to sound clever but its straight from Wikipedia how mainstream sheep of him BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Recent media mergers in the United States

Over time the amount of media merging has increased and the amount of media outlets have increased. That translates to fewer companies owning more media outlets, increasing the concentration of ownership. In 1983, 90% of US media was controlled by fifty companies; today, 90% is controlled by just six companies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_media
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scumdog

10th October 2015, 15:51

Don't be silly.

People that wealthy don't work.

Other people carry out their orders.

Hmmm, so how do they know the orders have been carried out as directed?

flyingcrocodile46

10th October 2015, 16:01

oops! wrong thread

Katman

10th October 2015, 16:12

Hmmm, so how do they know the orders have been carried out as directed?

They're mind readers.

oldrider

10th October 2015, 19:07

Pro US info on Putin's motivations in Syria - so how does it compare with what has transcribed over the last few days?

Link:Interesting reading: http://www.vox.com/2015/10/2/9439973/syria-bombing-russia-assad-isis-putin :corn:

R650R

10th October 2015, 22:37

That covers 98% of the world's media?
Those half-dozen are busy people. Vetting all the product of journalists' to make sure they are all "with the plan".
Because there IS a plan, isn't there?

Ever hear of delegation in the workplace.... Anyone who lets the truth get through the gates would be quickly sacked or moved on one way or another.

Swivel

12th October 2015, 04:03

Swoop

12th October 2015, 09:25

Ever hear of delegation in the workplace.... Anyone who lets the truth get through the gates would be quickly sacked or moved on one way or another.

It was initially stated that there are only 6 "controlling" all the media. No delegation was mentioned - at all.
So, six very busy people.

pete376403

13th October 2015, 19:16

It was initially stated that there are only 6 "controlling" all the media. No delegation was mentioned - at all.
So, six very busy people.
Thus it always was:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32869-focus-rupert-murdoch-propaganda-recruit

husaberg

13th October 2015, 20:22

Thus it always was:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32869-focus-rupert-murdoch-propaganda-recruit

Funny enough the Unions were always pretty organised. was there a socialist conspiracy as well.;)

pete376403

13th October 2015, 21:17

Funny enough the Unions were always pretty organised. was there a socialist conspiracy as well.;)
going off topic here, but it was about the time that reagan and thatcher used the power of government to destroy, as much as they could, the union movement.

Back to Syria.

husaberg

13th October 2015, 21:36

going off topic here, but it was about the time that reagan and thatcher used the power of government to destroy, as much as they could, the union movement.

Back to Syria.

Yet there was also the reverse, power corrupts, such is life.

oldrider

13th October 2015, 22:17

It was initially stated that there are only 6 "controlling" all the media. No delegation was mentioned - at all.
So, six very busy people.

Only need one in control of a bunch of sycophants!

This guy was on to it back in the day:

“1807: President Thomas Jefferson (the third President of the United States from 1801 - 1809), provides one of the first honest insights into the dishonesty and corruptibility of the media when he states, “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”

The only change today it would seem - it's got worse and wider spread! :shifty:

yokel

2nd November 2015, 15:47

oldrider

2nd November 2015, 15:55

What a fucking mess this world is getting into - IMHO - thanks to America and their (shadowy?) controllers! :sick:

R650R

3rd November 2015, 16:00

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/putins-angels-inside-russias-most-infamous-motorcycle-club-20151008

Shaun Harris

3rd November 2015, 18:56

What a fucking mess this world is getting into - IMHO - thanks to America and their (shadowy?) controllers! :sick:

Agreed re the USA, the capital of bullshit and $

oldrider

26th November 2015, 07:15

Is NATO showing it's real colours through Turkey? :confused: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12015505/Russian-jet-shot-down-by-Turkey-as-it-happened.html Who really is supporting these terrorists?

Rehearsed and prepared for video evidence? - Or simply coincidence that cameras were there? :rolleyes:

Banditbandit

26th November 2015, 09:01

http://ianstuart.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/7/4807875/8142365_orig.jpg

Swoop

26th November 2015, 16:31

Odd how this comes as a surprise. Russia has been warned over the last few weeks that incursions into Turkish airspace will result in aircraft being shot at.

pzkpfw

26th November 2015, 16:40

When Russia started dropping bombs on Syria, didn't the anti-U.S. (i.e. Russia is great because they are not the U.S.) crowd think it would all be over by now?

mashman

26th November 2015, 16:48

http://ianstuart.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/0/7/4807875/8142365_orig.jpg

Cannot give to you again... but well worth an infraction.

Tazz

26th November 2015, 16:57

Odd how this comes as a surprise. Russia has been warned over the last few weeks that incursions into Turkish airspace will result in aircraft being shot at.

It was over Syria and still shot down. That is the surprise.

husaberg

26th November 2015, 17:09

The Russian sub must have got lost maybe it was searching for Nessie
http://news.sky.com/story/1592479/allied-aircraft-hunt-russian-sub-off-scotland
plus some Russian planes are straying as well

oldrider

26th November 2015, 17:46

The Russian sub must have got lost maybe it was searching for Nessie
http://news.sky.com/story/1592479/allied-aircraft-hunt-russian-sub-off-scotland
plus some Russian planes are straying as well

Yeah well - early days! - It will be interesting to see who becomes the most persistent at provoking hostilities - so far Turkey is ahead on points! - Wonder why?:scratch:

husaberg

26th November 2015, 18:17

Yeah well - early days! - It will be interesting to see who becomes the most persistent at provoking hostilities - so far Turkey is ahead on points! - Wonder why?:scratch:

Because Its nearly thanks giving?
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Swoop

27th November 2015, 08:17

It was over Syria and still shot down. That is the surprise.

Once over a countries' boundary, troops, tanks, ships or aircraft become a target. Russia knows this and ignores the fact (on many repeated recent occasions).
If the Viper fired an AIM-120, that has a speed of mach 4 (1.3612 km/s), so mr putin's finest isn't going to be having a good day at the office, even if he attempts to run.

I note Turkey has released radio warnings, but suspect comrade pilotski has done two things:
1: Not used guard due to not speaking english, or simply switching it off, and
2: being ordered that mr putin "has his back, so just ignore it".

jasonu

27th November 2015, 08:52

I note Turkey has released radio warnings, but suspect comrade pilotski has done two things:
1: Not used guard due to not speaking english, or simply switching it off, and
2: being ordered that mr putin "has his back, so just ignore it".

3: Was on a different radio frequency and didn't hear the warnings at all.

oldrider

27th November 2015, 09:08

TheDemonLord

27th November 2015, 09:12

oldrider

27th November 2015, 10:08

The Turkey incident is interest - I get Turkey being upset, but 18 seconds of Border violation (okay at Mach 2 - thats about 12 Km).

Me thinks this is more about Sabre Rattling and Turkey puffing it's chest, possibly to show its neighbors that it is so tough, its not afraid to stand up to the big bad Russians.

Also.

In B4 Katman claims it was the US.

I think you will find I have already done that above!

Guess what?

The conspiracy theorist in me "suspects" they "could well have been" (way way back out of reach) behind the bomb on the Russian jet! (Cui bono?) :shifty: - Why not?

Tazz

27th November 2015, 10:29

Once over a countries' boundary, troops, tanks, ships or aircraft become a target. Russia knows this and ignores the fact (on many repeated recent occasions).
If the Viper fired an AIM-120, that has a speed of mach 4 (1.3612 km/s), so mr putin's finest isn't going to be having a good day at the office, even if he attempts to run.

I note Turkey has released radio warnings, but suspect comrade pilotski has done two things:
1: Not used guard due to not speaking english, or simply switching it off, and
2: being ordered that mr putin "has his back, so just ignore it".

If it was a direct threat to Turkey, sure, but shooting it down is more a political manoeuvre IMO.
You say the Russian pilot had orders to give zero fucks, I reckon it was more like the Turkish pilot was given orders to make sure they shot down anything that was so much as a mm over, regardless of intent.
Do you realize how often Turk planes encroach on their neighbours airspace without permission? Namely Greece? I'd imagine it would be in interesting tune if the Greeks started dropping them out of the sky (although I don't think they have the money for bullets at the moment haha)

Also, you've already pointed out the speed those things is pretty incredible too. It's easy to make a quick error, despite the training.

Fair enough they were warned, and even if you believe the Turk and US data the Russian plane had actually been in but already left Turk airspace, so worst case scenario location wise they were LEAVING or had LEFT when shot down. Reasonable and wise military action to shoot down such a target?

Look at the map too. It's a 'point'. The terrain lends to an accidental intrusion very easily. Not an excuse buy more a point to consider regarding intent.

Are Turkish planes allowed in Syrian airspace?

I'd be pretty confident in saying that China and the US probably cross territorial lines they shouldn't on a daily basis without batting and eyelid. Funny that.

yokel

27th November 2015, 10:40

The Turkey incident is interest - I get Turkey being upset, but 18 seconds of Border violation (okay at Mach 2 - thats about 12 Km).

Me thinks this is more about Sabre Rattling and Turkey puffing it's chest, possibly to show its neighbors that it is so tough, its not afraid to stand up to the big bad Russians.

Also.

In B4 Katman claims it was the US.

Turkey is in NATO, NATO serves US interests.
If Turkey is in cahoots with ISIS then so is NATO.
Also if the FSA is not fighting ISIS then they are ISIS.

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yokel

27th November 2015, 11:30

You can't make this shit up!

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US MSM fucks up, uses video of Russia bombing ISIS oil trucks and says it's the US haha

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TheDemonLord

27th November 2015, 14:41

I think you will find I have already done that above!

Guess what?

The conspiracy theorist in me "suspects" they "could well have been" (way way back out of reach) behind the bomb on the Russian jet! (Cui bono?) :shifty: - Why not?

Lol - you must have posted just before I did....

I still don't think the US is involved here - I think this is more about Turkey throwing some weight around and establishing it as a big Dog and not afraid to mix it up with the bigger nations.

oldrider

27th November 2015, 14:47

Lol - you must have posted just before I did....

I still don't think the US is involved here - I think this is more about Turkey throwing some weight around and establishing it as a big Dog and not afraid to mix it up with the bigger nations.

[You must spread etc]
Lets just tuck that one away in the memory banks and keep an eye out for it's emergence at some later date - it's funny what just pops up down the line!:corn:

TheDemonLord

27th November 2015, 15:12

Tazz

27th November 2015, 16:14

Actually - A faint memory pops into my head - wasn't Turkey beaten by NZ to become a member of the UN Security Council?

(checks on Wiki) - Yup.

This adds further to my suspicion that this is about Turkey showing Dominance in the region (and to the world powers) than anything else.

US sells them arms and has threatened that supply in the past unless Turkey conformed and toed the line where they were told to. There is heavily vested interest and influence in what Turkey does with said arms.
Obama has said he doesn't want troops on the ground in 'foreign' conflicts so are now getting other countries to do their dirty work, which they've always done anyway.

Then there is the NATO factor.

Not saying it's 100% happening, but the US leans on everyone when it comes to Russia. It's naive to not take that into consideration.

Swoop

27th November 2015, 17:07

Early days yet - Turkey has clearly demonstrated who it really supports! (Terrorists)
No, Turkey is standing up for it's sovereign rights. A declared secular state but with a large moslem population who are quite vocal...

If it was a direct threat to Turkey, sure, but shooting it down is more a political manoeuvre IMO.
It is a two-pronged message.
1: Don't over-fly our airspace. Period.
2: This isn't about an airspace issue, but a political message.

yokel

27th November 2015, 19:00

How to roast a Turkey.

step 1- deploy your S400.

Turkey's air space is now Russia's air space.

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oldrider

27th November 2015, 19:37

No, Turkey is standing up for it's sovereign rights. A declared secular state but with a large moslem population who are quite vocal...

It is a two-pronged message.
1: Don't over-fly our airspace. Period.
2: This isn't about an airspace issue, but a political message.

Like I said - early days yet - Turkey has challenged and Russia has responded - it will be interesting watching the next moves unfold! :corn:

Edit: Putin doesn't look or sound like a man hell bent upon provoking war here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FppvJIkftrI

Edit: This too is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStsORCFiAk

oldrider

2nd December 2015, 20:26

Russia Destroys The Greater Israel Dream - by Taxi https://platosguns.com/2015/10/19/russia-destroys-the-greater-israel-dream/

Eating the Middle East Arab elephant one bight (Arab State) at a time - has it been reduced to mere nibbles by Russian intervention on behalf of Assad? :rolleyes:

oldrider

14th December 2015, 14:30

Turkish shooting down Russian SU-24 jet no accident according to FU-16 designer and US defence analyst: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20151211/1031591091/us-defense-analyst-su-24-downing.html

R650R

17th December 2015, 09:07

Putin speaks at ten year anniversary of RT channel news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6uYxborC9c

oldrider

22nd December 2015, 19:29

High cost of Erdogan folly - for Turkish people: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151222/1032124003/--.html apparently!

Swoop

29th March 2016, 13:46

27 March, 2016: Despite the recent Russian announcement that it is withdrawing troops from Syria Russian warplanes are still supporting Syrian government forces advancing in the northwest around Homs, Palmyra and Aleppo. Russia has made it clear that it is only withdrawing some of its air power and military personnel. The departing forces can be returned quickly if needed.
Russia will maintain control of port facilities on the Syrian coast and nearby airbases. The withdrawal announcement is believed to be a Russian effort to get the Assad government to go along with whatever peace deal can be arrived at in the upcoming UN sponsored peace talks.
This might include a partition of Syria (which the Assads oppose) into a Kurdish state in the northeast (which Turkey opposes), an Assad (non-Kurds, non-Sunni) state in the west from Damascus north to Aleppo and west to the coast) and a Sunni state (the rest, which is most of the territory and population of Syria.) The Sunni state would be stuck with most of the Islamic terrorists, which have been largely kept out of the Kurdish and non-Sunni territory. Everyone would apparently cooperate to crush the most troublesome Islamic terrorists. These would mainly be al Qaeda and ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) affiliated groups. Partition is currently seen as the least bad option.

In the last week Syrian troops retook Palmyra, which ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) grabbed in May 2015. Palmyra was a major ISIL victory but since the beginning of 2016 Russian air and ground forces have worked with Syrian troops to methodically fight their way back to Palmyra and surrounding Deir Ezzor province in general. ISIL had, at the end of 2015, controlled most of Deir Ezzor province, including Palmyra, which is astride the main road from Deir Ezzor to Damascus (the national capital and Assad stronghold). Supporting government forces in Deir Ezzor became more difficult with the loss of Palmyra in mid-2015. Syrian troops apparently now intend to advance on the ISIL capital of Raqqa (227 kilometres to the northeast).

The Russians made a difference not just with air strikes but with thousands of special operations troops and military trainers for combat or support troops. There were also hundreds of technical experts to assist the Syrians in refurbishing elderly (or just overworked) weapons and military equipment. Now weapons and gear also arrived and the Syrian troops had to be quickly taught how to use all this stuff. By January 2016 the impact of all this effort was visible to people on the ground (and Western photo satellites).
The Syrian troops were using new Russian artillery as well as more of their own stuff because the Russians had shipped in lots of ammo and spare parts. Russian UAVs were providing target information and the Syrian infantry seemed more precise and confident as they called in supporting artillery and air support before advancing. All this has made it much harder for the rebels to defeat the Assad government and much easier to accept a peace deal that keeps the Assads in power. This is apparently the Russian goal.

Since early October, largely because of Russian air support, government forces have advanced in the northwest around Homs and Aleppo as well Palmyra and in the south near the Israeli border. As always, the government forces are willing to negotiate terms with rebels to gain control of a city or town in order to minimize damage to the place and avoid casualties. Government forces have also cleared most rebel forces that had been advancing into Latakia province, which is where the Syrian ports are. Most of the Russian aid comes in through these ports. Down south near the Israeli border the Syrian Air Force owns the air.