Shoutout for RST jackets and BullIt jeans

[jonnyk5614]

Lowsided the Gixxer today. Hit the road at 107kph and slid for 74 metres. All my fault - a few things that didn't help but I fucked up is the gist of it.

The jacket - barely a scratch.
The jeans - the denim ripped but the Kevlar stayed intact and did its job.
I'm absolutely fine. Barely a scratch.

I've been getting lazy about wearing the kit recently now summer is here. I won't be now!

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Crash diagnosis:

I was riding with a spare jacket shoved inside my leathers (en route to collect a mate).
I approached the corner a little too hot and too close to the side.
The corner tightens just after it starts but this isn't apparent due to the camber and gradient.


As I went to slide round the tank to move my weight to the side of the bike, I got snagged. I couldn't move (spare jacket).
I briefly did nothing and then released the throttle (in 3rd gear).

I then started to simply counter steer the corner without moving my weight. This probably would have been successful but as the wheel crossed the bridge expansion plate, the bike destabilised (still no throttle).

By now it is too late, the wall is approaching so I simply counter-steered the bike onto the ground and went for a slide.

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[WNJ]

Lowsided the Gixxer today. Hit the road at 107kph and slid for 74 metres. All my fault - a few things that didn't help but I fucked up is the gist of it.

The jacket - barely a scratch.
The jeans - the denim ripped but the Kevlar stayed intact and did its job.
I'm absolutely fine. Barely a scratch.

I've been getting lazy about wearing the kit recently now summer is here. I won't be now!

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Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Good to hear your ok, been reading about to many crashes that aren't good outcomes lately,

[haydes55]

Good honesty! Glad you're safe dude... How's the bike? Helmet?

Fucking cagers...

[5ive]

Looking at getting myself some RST leathers for summer, good to know they hold up.

(not planning on low-siding at 107kph though) :msn-wink:

[Erelyes]

I'd been thinking about getting some of those Bullit jeans. What sort do you have? As I understand they use 'Covec' instead of Kevlar and it's supposedly more weather-resistant etc.

Seems like NZ stockists only carry the old stuff, not the new models on the Bullit website

[jonnyk5614]

Helmet never hit the road (at least can't see any damage).
No cagers involved but some pissed guy in A&E in the early hours of this morning was trying to tell anyone that would listen he had been "sucked" into the truck next to him on the harbour bridge. The biker cop wasn't buying it and was looking forward to throwing the book.

The leather has barely a mark. The jeans protected me in areas where dragin jeans don't have lining. The denim is ripped but the lining sweet as.




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[jonnyk5614]

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[jonnyk5614]

Most of the jean damage was where I had door keys in my pocket!


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[onearmedbandit]

Never mind the friggin' gear, how's the bike!?!?

;););)

[jonnyk5614]

Never mind the friggin' gear, how's the bike!?!?

;););)

Fairing fucked
Starter motor cover punctured but only leaks with the bike on its side so a few hours after getting out of A&E I'm back riding.
Hell yeah :D


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[onearmedbandit]

Fairing fucked
Starter motor cover punctured but only leaks with the bike on its side so a few hours after getting out of A&E I'm back riding.
Hell yeah :D


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That's what we want to hear!

[mynemesis]

Good to hear about a "crash" that ends semi well. My mate has RST gear. He'll be glad to hear it's worth the money he paid.

I swear ACC should lower their fees and make us all HAVE to wear decent riding gear. How much might it have cost if you hadn't been wearing the good stuff!?

[onearmedbandit]

Good to hear about a "crash" that ends semi well. My mate has RST gear. He'll be glad to hear it's worth the money he paid.

I swear ACC should lower their fees and make us all HAVE to wear decent riding gear. How much might it have cost if you hadn't been wearing the good stuff!?

Yeah nah thanks. I'm ok with choosing for myself whether I just wear jeans, jacket, boots and gloves down to the shops.

[kiwi-on-wheels]

You know, statistically speaking, you are more likely to come off 'just going down to the shops' than on a long ride...

[bogan]

You know, statistically speaking, you are more likely to come off 'just going down to the shops' than on a long ride...

Is that for riders with gear or without?

[mynemesis]

Yeah nah thanks. I'm ok with choosing for myself whether I just wear jeans, jacket, boots and gloves down to the shops.

yeah nah I'm fine with not paying for you with my acc levies when you come off just popping down the shops

[onearmedbandit]

You know, statistically speaking, you are more likely to come off 'just going down to the shops' than on a long ride...

Statistically more journeys down to the shops occur than long rides...

[onearmedbandit]

yeah nah I'm fine with not paying for you with my acc levies when you come off just popping down the shops

Lucky for me you don't have a choice. But hey, that's cool, you suit up in full leathers, back protector etc for your trips down to the shops. I'll take my chances wearing jeans and the equipment I mentioned.

[mynemesis]

ok happy compromise.....

Anyone injured while not wearing proper safety gear forfeits their acc claim!? and the rest of us get charged less! :yes:

[bogan]

ok happy compromise.....

Anyone injured while not wearing proper safety gear forfeits their acc claim!? and the rest of us get charged less! :yes:

Except for when the cagers point out a car makes for excellent safety gear :facepalm: You fucking muppet.

[onearmedbandit]

ok happy compromise.....

Anyone injured while not wearing proper safety gear forfeits their acc claim!? and the rest of us get charged less! :yes:

Who defines proper? I have a $1200 helmet, $1000 jacket, $400 gloves, $800 boots. That to me is 'proper' gear. If we take your suggestion then I don't consider cheap gear 'proper'.

[mynemesis]

Lucky for me you don't have a choice. But hey, that's cool, you suit up in full leathers, back protector etc for your trips down to the shops. I'll take my chances wearing jeans and the equipment I mentioned.

oh my mistake though, I mis read you a little bit mate.

I see you said helmet, boots, jacket and gloves. Sorry, to me compared to what I often see, that is wearing more than many.

Apologies for the confusion

[onearmedbandit]

oh my mistake though, I mis read you a little bit mate.

I see you said helmet, boots, jacket and gloves. Sorry, to me compared to what I often see, that is wearing more than many.

Apologies for the confusion

All good man.

[mynemesis]

Except for when the cagers point out a car makes for excellent safety gear :facepalm: You fucking muppet.

well if you wanna go to ridiculous extremes, then catch a bus or a train ya mug!

[bogan]

well if you wanna go to ridiculous extremes, then catch a bus or a train ya mug!

The ridiculous extreme would be rejecting an ACC claim based on an acceptable level of gear. I'm quite happy to go to shops in jeans, jacket, helmet, and gloves.

[mynemesis]

The ridiculous extreme would be rejecting an ACC claim based on an acceptable level of gear. I'm quite happy to go to shops in jeans, jacket, helmet, and gloves.

1. Well in that case, see my post above regarding that!

2. You really want to mention ridiculous and acc claim rejection with a straight face??? OK hows this? I got pressure to go back to work as a courier years ago, with TWO broken arms! :brick:

[mynemesis]

To be clear!

If you are riding with exposed skin, or light clothing. With your helmet as your only "saftey" device. Then I have zero sympathy for you if you come off.

If you crash your cage and are not wearing a seat belt......Same thing!

if you think thats unfair? I don't care!

[onearmedbandit]

2. You really want to mention ridiculous and acc claim rejection with a straight face??? OK hows this? I got pressure to go back to work as a courier years ago, with TWO broken arms! :brick:

That's an issue with staffing and protocols within ACC.

[bogan]

1. Well in that case, see my post above regarding that!

2. You really want to mention ridiculous and acc claim rejection with a straight face??? OK hows this? I got pressure to go back to work as a courier years ago, with TWO broken arms! :brick:

Then you miss my point, your value judgment on what is an acceptable level of gear for ACC claim rejection is irrelevant. The only two logical conclusions are it is either rider choice, or we don't get to ride at all.

I think you are confused; I'm advocating for less ACC clauses and blame and pressure etc.


To be clear!

If you are riding with exposed skin, or light clothing. With your helmet as your only "saftey" device. Then I have zero sympathy for you if you come off.

If you crash your cage and are not wearing a seat belt......Same thing!

if you think thats unfair? I don't care!

To be clear, and I'll use a picture to help you out a bit.

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[mynemesis]

That's an issue with staffing and protocols within ACC.

ACC in short IS little more than protocols

[onearmedbandit]

ACC in short IS little more than protocols

I never stated it was or wasn't. Ive had my battles with them, luckily won each of them. Paralysed my left arm 18yrs ago in a bike accident. Was wearing full leathers etc too that day.

[mynemesis]

Then you miss my point, your value judgment on what is an acceptable level of gear for ACC claim rejection is irrelevant. The only two logical conclusions are it is either rider choice, or we don't get to ride at all.

I think you are confused; I'm advocating for less ACC clauses and blame and pressure etc.



To be clear, and I'll use a picture to help you out a bit.

316630

Tapping out with you!

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

[Mike.Gayner]

yeah nah I'm fine with not paying for you with my acc levies when you come off just popping down the shops

Well we live in a country which values having two competing ideals:

1. Public accident insurance under a no-fault scheme.

2. Freedom to choose to do whatever we want (within reason) and still be covered by the public healthcare system.

Personally I value being able to choose whether or to put on my one piece leather suit to grab a bottle of milk. Do you think I love ACC paying claims to people who injure themselves playing rugby or on horseback? I don't give a flying shit about either of those activities, but again it's part of living in a civilised free society.

You don't have to right to tell me what to wear, and if you try to, I'm going to tell you to fuck yourself with an iron rod.

[mynemesis]

I never stated it was or wasn't. Ive had my battles with them, luckily won each of them. Paralysed my left arm 18yrs ago in a bike accident. Was wearing full leathers etc too that day.

that sounds fucking horrendous mate! I hope you have recovered from it.

My point with that was simply, ACC are little more than extremely expensive protocols and bureaucracy. So my previous issue was with ACC themselves. As the protocols you mentioned, is all I see them as a whole. if you know what I mean?

[onearmedbandit]

that sounds fucking horrendous mate! I hope you have recovered from it.



Long story but no. Still riding though!!

[bogan]

Tapping out with you!

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Ironically, that's what idiots often say when they can't think of a counterpoint.

I mean seriously, occupant safety based levies/payouts is a sliding scale which will just keep sliding. You only need to look at what has happened since the bikoi to see the truth in that.

[mynemesis]

Well we live in a country which values having two competing ideals:

1. Public accident insurance under a no-fault scheme.

2. Freedom to choose to do whatever we want (within reason) and still be covered by the public healthcare system.

Personally I value being able to choose whether or to put on my one piece leather suit to grab a bottle of milk. Do you think I love ACC paying claims to people who injure themselves playing rugby or on horseback? I don't give a flying shit about either of those activities, but again it's part of living in a civilised free society.

You don't have to right to tell me what to wear, and if you try to, I'm going to tell you to fuck yourself with an iron rod.

so does that mean, in essence what youre saying is, You don't care about paying for other idiots careless activities, so I have no right to care either?

I know thats massive paraphrasing, but thats sort of what I get from your post.

Not meant to be accusatory. But just trying to ascertain.

[Mike.Gayner]

so does that mean, in essence what youre saying is, You don't care about paying for other idiots careless activities, so I have no right to care either?

I know thats massive paraphrasing, but thats sort of what I get from your post.

Not meant to be accusatory. But just trying to ascertain.

No, you can care all you like, just no one else has to give a fuck about your idiotic opinion.

[mynemesis]

My idiotic opinion that we shouldn't have to financially support irresponsible road users for the sake of independent freedom!?

:wacko:

[bogan]

My idiotic opinion that we shouldn't have to financially support irresponsible road users for the sake of independent freedom!?

:wacko:

The idiotic opinion is that you are suited to judge what makes an irresponsible road user.

[mynemesis]

I'm simply in favour of lower ACC fees for those who choose to ride with adequate (yes I understand "adequate" is a relative term to some) safety protective clothing. Over those who ride without it.

I get living in a socialist "free society" means we can't take my nazis approach of cutting off those who ride and are hurt while not wearing appropriate saftey gear. But either some relief for those that do OR penalty charges of some sort for those that don't.

Surely you can't ague, that if someone falls off and isn't wearing gloves (for the massively reasonable reason of "I was just popping to the shops") that that is driving irrisponsibly!? If you were SO sure you were not going to crash, why did you even bother to put your helmet on? Because legislation states that you must. So at the very least, can we include the basics like gloves and sleeves into the required bracket?
If you haven't done everything possible to minimize your exposure to risk you shouldn't be treated as equally as someone who has.

But ultimately I know this is all like, just my opinion man.

I'm not going to argue anymore over this. I'm just happy that OP wasn't hurt coming off at over 100kmh thanks to wearing his safety gear.

No offense meant to anyone. I'm off down the shops on my new bike and have to decide whether to wear my good gloves or my comfortable Alpinestars?

Enjoy your weekend guys.:Punk:

[bogan]

Surely you can't ague, that if someone falls off and isn't wearing gloves (for the massively reasonable reason of "I was just popping to the shops") that that is driving irrisponsibly!? If you were SO sure you were not going to crash, why did you even bother to put your helmet on? Because legislation states that you must. So at the very least, can we include the basics like gloves and sleeves into the required bracket?
If you haven't done everything possible to minimize your exposure to risk you shouldn't be treated as equally as someone who has.

Isn't that exactly what you are arguing though?

The mind is the greatest safety feature of all, since I'm clearly smarter than you, can I get a massive discount?

It's a sliding scale dude, you really need to understand that.

[WNJ]

Yeah nah thanks. I'm ok with choosing for myself whether I just wear jeans, jacket, boots and GLOVE down to the shops.

Fixed that for ya

[onearmedbandit]

Fixed that for ya

Yeah fair call.

[jonnyk5614]

Here is the reality:

UK: compulsory individually risk assessed insurance covering 3rd party vehicle and injuries.
My Gixxer costs $14'000 to insure, and I'm not allowed a passenger for that.

NZ: $600 ACC $500 fully comp damage cover. Total $1100.

Whether you like it or not, it works and is damned cheap.

ACC is not the place to determine equipment requirements.
The law is - currently it says helmets.

How about simple things:
Gloves, enclosed shoes and helmets.
Not a massive ask but saves a lot of plastic surgery....


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[jonnyk5614]

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Crash diagnosis:

I was riding with a spare jacket shoved inside my leathers (en route to collect a mate).
I approached the corner a little too hot and too close to the side.
The corner tightens just after it starts but this isn't apparent due to the camber and gradient.


As I went to slide round the tank to move my weight to the side of the bike, I got snagged. I couldn't move (spare jacket).
I briefly did nothing and then released the throttle (in 3rd gear).

I then started to simply counter steer the corner without moving my weight. This probably would have been successful but as the wheel crossed the bridge expansion plate, the bike destabilised (still no throttle).

By now it is too late, the wall is approaching so I simply counter-steered the bike onto the ground and went for a slide.

[Tazz]

Did your knee armour in those pants stay in place?

[haydes55]

My professional opinion. You shouldn't have backed off the throttle.

[nzspokes]

My professional opinion. You shouldn't have backed off the throttle.

I concur. Along with other factors.

[jonnyk5614]

Did your knee armour in those pants stay in place?

It falls out so much from taking the jeans on and off that I only use it when touring.


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[jonnyk5614]

My professional opinion. You shouldn't have backed off the throttle.

True

I doubt I could have turned the corner at that speed though.


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[Maha]

Curious as to why the speedo is pixelated in the video until the bike hits the ground?

[WNJ]

Curious as to why the speedo is pixelated in the video until the bike hits the ground?

To hide the alleged 107kph in 3rd gear at @ 9000revs I suspect,

[onearmedbandit]

To hide the alleged 107kph in 3rd gear at @ 9000revs I suspect,

Haha yup. Although in saying that it probably was the speed that he hit the deck at though.

[Tazz]

It falls out so much from taking the jeans on and off that I only use it when touring.


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I had the same problem, fell out when walking and were only good with MX boots holding them in place so I don't wear them at all now sadly. Nice to know the rest of them is well made though.

[WNJ]

Yeah ,and I know my little 636 is well over that speed in 3rd @ 9k, so a thou :whistle:

[jonnyk5614]

Haha yup. Although in saying that it probably was the speed that he hit the deck at though.

Speed I hit the deck.....



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[Big Dog]

I had the same problem, fell out when walking and were only good with MX boots holding them in place so I don't wear them at all now sadly. Nice to know the rest of them is well made though.
I don't know how the armour is held in in the pants you have but:

When I used to work in the bike shop we had a few people bring back various kevlar pants that the armour did not stay in place... so I did a little thinking and it seems the simplest solution is apply some self adhesive velcro to the armour.

I have tried this on some borrowed armour in Draggins without pockets with success for a couple of weeks.
A few others report this works well with tecknics and redbacks.

They can be a little difficult to get back out on the pocket types. The person who mentioned this said his solution was to put the velcro on the inside of the armour instead so it grips the pocket and not the kevlar.
The $2 shop velcro is less sharp then the stuff from sewing shops and doesn't cause as much pilling.

[jonnyk5614]

I don't know how the armour is held in in the pants you have but:

When I used to work in the bike shop we had a few people bring back various kevlar pants that the armour did not stay in place... so I did a little thinking and it seems the simplest solution is apply some self adhesive velcro to the armour.

I have tried this on some borrowed armour in Draggins without pockets with success for a couple of weeks.
A few others report this works well with tecknics and redbacks.

They can be a little difficult to get back out on the pocket types. The person who mentioned this said his solution was to put the velcro on the inside of the armour instead so it grips the pocket and not the kevlar.
The $2 shop velcro is less sharp then the stuff from sewing shops and doesn't cause as much pilling.

Cheers for that

To be honest, I've found a safety pin through the Velcro on the pouch seems to do the trick.

Gonna be purchasing some RST leather pants next though, with sliders.
The jacket is a bit scuffed but still looks great and I respect that!!!


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[mulletman]

It falls out so much from taking the jeans on and off that I only use it when touring.


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I have the same Jeans but mine seem to stayput ok.