Full licence without having to wait 12 months

[pigman]

While in South Africa I owned a 1200gs while on a learners licence, there were no restrictions on cc.
I got my NZ learners licence 2 years ago but only went for the restricted licence in July this year. Do you think there is any way I can convince the authorities to allow me to do the full licence now, without having to wait until July next year?

[5ive]

Yeah bro, should be easy as. Tell them to chuck in a gun license as well.

[Ulsterkiwi]

what he said, no problem at all, they will likely apologise for making you make the phone call.

Good first post, you will do well around here.:msn-wink:

[Ulsterkiwi]

should have said, you can actually "do" your licence now, in that you can complete the CBTA full licence assessment any time. Still wait 12 months from the date of obtaining your restricted test.

[Akzle]

license, eh....

[Tazz]

Yeah.

Fly to Raro, get your pretty much token license there, fly back, transfer license/apply for full, do test, pass, ?, profit.

Or something like that. You used to be able to transfer it straight over but now you have to pass the test for your full, which is great IMO.

[nodrog]

Yeah.

Fly to Raro, get your pretty much token license there, fly back, transfer license/apply for full, do test, pass, ?, profit.

Or something like that. You used to be able to transfer it straight over but now you have to pass the test for your full, which is great IMO.

its even easier now - fly to raro, get raro bike licence, use in NZ as an international licence for up to 12 months, have another holiday, get new raro licence, repeat.

[nzspokes]

license, eh....

Yeah you only need those if you have a Motorcycle to ride.

[Mike.Gayner]

its even easier now - fly to raro, get raro bike licence, use in NZ as an international licence for up to 12 months, have another holiday, get new raro licence, repeat.

Hasn't worked that way for over 10 years. Raro doesn't recognise IDL's, and the Raro licence isn't recognised at an IDL here.

[Erelyes]

license, eh....

Yeah it's some sort of system where someone works out if you're a fuckwit or not. Which is pretty good because most fuckwits don't know that they're fuckwits.

[Akzle]

Yeah it's some sort of system where someone works out if you're a fuckwit or not. Which is pretty good because most fuckwits don't know that they're fuckwits.

that completely explains all the behaviour i see on the road... Thanks for clearing that up.

[Akzle]

Yeah you only need those if you have a Motorcycle to ride.

need, eh...

[nodrog]

Hasn't worked that way for over 10 years. Raro doesn't recognise IDL's, and the Raro licence isn't recognised at an IDL here.

No you are confused, you cannot go to raro and get a motorcycle licence then fly home and convert it to your new Zealand licence (like you used to be able to do).

You can go and get your $20 Raro licence, then use this back here for up to 12 months (we met a chap who does this every year).

If you have a motorcycle licence you can use that in raro (ie, you do not have to do the raro test).

[sidecar bob]

No you are confused, you cannot go to raro and get a motorcycle licence then fly home and convert it to your new Zealand licence (like you used to be able to do).

You can go and get your $20 Raro licence, then use this back here for up to 12 months (we met a chap who does this every year).

If you have a motorcycle licence you can use that in raro (ie, you do not have to do the raro test).

Me old chum Roundy, lovely chap & repeat Raro offender, pisshead & all round top bloke.
Nodrog is correct.
The Raro test is the equivalent of your mum watching you ride up & down the driveway once.

[Mike.Gayner]

No you are confused, you cannot go to raro and get a motorcycle licence then fly home and convert it to your new Zealand licence (like you used to be able to do).

You can go and get your $20 Raro licence, then use this back here for up to 12 months (we met a chap who does this every year).

If you have a motorcycle licence you can use that in raro (ie, you do not have to do the raro test).

I'm sure the person you met thinks he's very clever, unfortunately he's wrong. The legislation doesn't say that an overseas licence is valid for 12 months from the date of issue. It says that for the first 12 months you're resident in NZ you may use an overseas drivers licence.

The whole "using a raro licence in NZ" think was done away with a long time ago.

[sidecar bob]

I'm sure the person you met thinks he's very clever.

Nope, I'm pretty sure he was under no illusions that he was clever.:facepalm:

[nodrog]

I'm sure the person you met thinks he's very clever, unfortunately he's wrong. The legislation doesn't say that an overseas licence is valid for 12 months from the date of issue. It says that for the first 12 months you're resident in NZ you may use an overseas drivers licence.

The whole "using a raro licence in NZ" think was done away with a long time ago.

I wonder how he rides around on his motorcycle in NZ then?

[sidecar bob]

I wonder how he rides around on his motorcycle in NZ then?

Fairly top heavily, bless him.

[caspernz]

I wonder how he rides around on his motorcycle in NZ then?

I've covered a fair few clicks in NZ on two wheels, but in the last 20 years haven't been asked for my licence yet, while out on the bike.

In the car or truck, quite often...

[Mike.Gayner]

I wonder how he rides around on his motorcycle in NZ then?

It's actually physically possible to ride without a valid licence.

[nodrog]

It's actually physically possible to ride without a valid licence.

you're fucking shitting me?

[Thaeos]

you're fucking shitting me?

Don't let the cops know!

[TheDemonLord]

A+ thread.

Keep it up.

[nodrog]

•You can drive in New Zealand if:
•you have a current and valid overseas licence or driver permit, and
.......
•you came into New Zealand less than 12 months ago, and
.

well duh, if you come back from raro you have come into new Zealand.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/new-residents-and-visitors/driving-on-nz-roads/

[Madness]

you're fucking shitting me?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/176839-First-ride-absolutely-awesome

omfgsmc!

[Gremlin]

I'm sure the person you met thinks he's very clever, unfortunately he's wrong. The legislation doesn't say that an overseas licence is valid for 12 months from the date of issue. It says that for the first 12 months you're resident in NZ you may use an overseas drivers licence.
12 months from entering NZ. If you leave and re-enter, you have 12 months don't you...

[pigman]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.

[Tazz]

The whole "using a raro licence in NZ" think was done away with a long time ago.

I'm not sure on the international license jazz, but you can use to to jump from no license to your full TEST (you still have to pass). It's well documented. Look it up before confusing people with incorrect info.

[Tazz]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.

I take it they're the only ones in SA smart enough to understand sarcasm then? :laugh:

[Akzle]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.

im trolling.
They're just arseholes.

[nodrog]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.

I've never met a sarcastic wet nurse.

[Ulsterkiwi]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.

like I said, you will do well here.

[Ulsterkiwi]

im ...... just arseholes.

The old akzinator is harmless, be careful though, sometimes he makes sense, the trick is knowing when...... ;)

[Ulsterkiwi]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.


and just because its you I will repeat myself.....


should have said, you can actually "do" your licence now, in that you can complete the CBTA full licence assessment any time. Still wait 12 months from the date of obtaining your restricted test.

[jasonu]

Yeah it's some sort of system where someone works out if you're a fuckwit or not. .

Not true. There are plenty of licensed fuckwits on the road.

[OddDuck]

I've been riding for twenty years and never been asked for my license... alcohol checkpoints, etc, etc... so from that point of view, sure, go for it.

Where it's all going to turn to shit (in a hurry) is after something's happened and cops / insurance companies etc get involved. If you prang into a Lambo and insurance refuses third party then you could be up for his bills.

Run with the risk or get a LAMS bike and just live with it.

[Jin]

I posted this thread, I did not find one straight answer to my question. I asked my Kiwi colleague to read it in case i misunderstood the replies because of culture difference and English not being my first language. He told me that most of the replies is sarcastic, which surpised and alarmed me because in South Africa only women is allowed to use sarcasm.
Ive never come across a sarcastic female saffa. Lots of insane ones but never sarcastic.

[pigman]

they only use it amongst themselves

[pigman]

I was hoping I could buy a new bike > 1000cc for Christmas, but now it looks like I have to wait for July next year :weep:

[Erelyes]

I've been riding for twenty years and never been asked for my license... alcohol checkpoints, etc, etc... so from that point of view, sure, go for it.

Pulled over twice, both times licence checked. Despite being on a full licence they then proceeded to um and ah about the CC capacity of the bike and if it was permitted? :wacko:

Checkpointed twice, neither times checked anything, except once where they took my BAC (other time they didn't bother, asked 'Had anything to drink?' ('Nup') 'Off ya go'

[nelubian]

I was hoping I could buy a new bike > 1000cc for Christmas, but now it looks like I have to wait for July next year :weep:

We, 250s all cry with you (every time we are beeped by a car at 100, every time a bigger bike passes us with a grin). You feel scared without a power to escape, you smell gasses of big bikes, your L plate looks like a target, you in the army now. We dream about full licence to buy something with a big dark smoking pipe and laugh ... ou my gosh ... laugh a lot on the rest 250s losers. :killingme And only after all this way we are ready to buy something like 110cc cafe racer to show those youngsters... ooops this is already a pension.

[OddDuck]

Pulled over twice, both times licence checked. Despite being on a full licence they then proceeded to um and ah about the CC capacity of the bike and if it was permitted? :wacko:

Checkpointed twice, neither times checked anything, except once where they took my BAC (other time they didn't bother, asked 'Had anything to drink?' ('Nup') 'Off ya go'

Cops who don't know capacity rules?? sheesh

I get breathalysed A LOT but I actually support that, the more drunks the cops keep off the roads the better.

[OddDuck]

We, 250s all cry with you (every time we are beeped by a car at 100, every time a bigger bike passes us with a grin). You feel scared without a power to escape, you smell gasses of big bikes, your L plate looks like a target, you in the army now.

haha so true!! I still remember running around on my 250 with the L plate.. speed restricted to 70... this back in the '90s when gas was cheap. People came up from behind waaaaay too fast. Rear end motorway hell. I nearly died three times in one week and the L plate came off again pretty shortly after that.

It's LAMS now though, you don't have to learn on the shitter 250's we had back in the day. Unless you want to of course.

[GrayWolf]

We, 250s all cry with you (every time we are beeped by a car at 100, every time a bigger bike passes us with a grin). You feel scared without a power to escape, you smell gasses of big bikes, your L plate looks like a target, you in the army now. We dream about full licence to buy something with a big dark smoking pipe and laugh ... ou my gosh ... laugh a lot on the rest 250s losers. :killingme And only after all this way we are ready to buy something like 110cc cafe racer to show those youngsters... ooops this is already a pension.

beeped at by a car at 100? you must have been riding a 'ginny' then, coz even back in my day, when 250's were ridden by boys with BIG hairy balls..... Gt250M suzuki, which just didnt handle, RD250's with 'plastic/nylon' swing arm bushes that wore out in 20 miles, kwaka 250 triples that ate spark plugs, went like snot, but had drum brakes, {oh and the improved stopping ability of disc brakes of the 70's? :laugh::laugh::laugh:} Nonda 250's that everyone else left behind in a cloud of 2T smoke,,,, Even the nonda's could cruise easily at 100kph +
The secret of beating 'big bikes' on a 250? oil pump set to max, big handful of throttle just before the lights change, by the time they can see through the cloud of noxious 2T fumes, you've fucked off down the road :bleh::bleh::bleh:

[Topes]

should have said, you can actually "do" your licence now, in that you can complete the CBTA full licence assessment any time. Still wait 12 months from the date of obtaining your restricted test.


Not anymore unfortunately. Got this from pro rider when I booked my CBTA-F and i got my Restricted in August.

We have been told that the CBTA certificates are now only valid for 180 days from date of issue so riders must be eligible to apply for a licence chance within that 180 daya

[pigman]

Not anymore unfortunately. Got this from pro rider when I booked my CBTA-F and i got my Restricted in August.

We have been told that the CBTA certificates are now only valid for 180 days from date of issue so riders must be eligible to apply for a licence chance within that 180 daya


Can you ride a 1000cc bike on a CBTA- F certificate only (without a full licence) ?

[nzspokes]

Can you ride a 1000cc bike on a CBTA- F certificate only (without a full licence) ?

No.

10char

[Ulsterkiwi]

Not anymore unfortunately. Got this from pro rider when I booked my CBTA-F and i got my Restricted in August.

We have been told that the CBTA certificates are now only valid for 180 days from date of issue so riders must be eligible to apply for a licence chance within that 180 daya

My certificate was "out of date" when I did my changeover, the AA just rang NZTA to confirm the cert number. That was a while ago so Things may have changed but I would check with NZTA.


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[iwilson]

Not anymore unfortunately. Got this from pro rider when I booked my CBTA-F and i got my Restricted in August.

We have been told that the CBTA certificates are now only valid for 180 days from date of issue so riders must be eligible to apply for a licence chance within that 180 daya

Just did mine the other day handed it into VTNZ with no issues. And I need to wait till September '16. Bless her heart she tried her hardest to issue me a 6F but computer said no lol. But she took my money and lodged it in the ssystem....

[Topes]

Thanks for that where did you submit yours?


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[iwilson]

Thanks for that where did you submit yours?


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Pukekohe...

[pigman]

I have been told by a CBTA instructor that I can apply for an "exemption" The Driving Standards Advisor can grant the exemption from the 12 month waiting period.
He also said it will take time and usually is not worth it.

Has anyone here tried this?

[nodrog]

I have been told by a CBTA instructor that I can apply for an "exemption" The Driving Standards Advisor can grant the exemption from the 12 month waiting period.
He also said it will take time and usually is not worth it.

Has anyone here tried this?

yeah, it usually takes 11 months to process.

[Mike.Gayner]

What exactly would be your grounds for seeking an exemption? "I had my learners back home"?

[FJRider]

I have been told by a CBTA instructor that I can apply for an "exemption" The Driving Standards Advisor can grant the exemption from the 12 month waiting period.
He also said it will take time and usually is not worth it.

Has anyone here tried this?

DO IT ... What have you got to lose .. ?? :shifty:

[iwilson]

DO IT ... What have you got to lose .. ?? :shifty:

Just submitted my application for an exemption. According to the DL4 form I should hear back in 10 working days. Not holding my breathe, but worth a punt for the $25 fee.

[pigman]

Just submitted my application for an exemption. According to the DL4 form I should hear back in 10 working days. Not holding my breathe, but worth a punt for the $25 fee.

Have you heard anything back yet?

[Big Dog]

There is a standard 12 month wait for all responses. :ROFL:

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[Ripperjon]

I sent in an application for exemption (or was it variation?) of licencing conditions back when i first got my learners to ask them to scratch the 70kmh limit.
The reasons i gave were that it was safer for me to ride at the same speed as the other traffic on the way to work on a busy highway regularly used by trucks and buses.
Im in Queenstown and i used tour buses going to Milford etc. and the seemingly endless roadworks vehicles in this area as examples.
I also said i have lots of unlicenced dirtbike experience from back in the UK.
I got a quick reply saying, yes you can now go 100kmh and a PS... do your restricted whenever you want!
I hadn't even asked to cut down the waiting time for my restricted.
As it turned out, i didnt do my restricted cos id just bought a brand new 250 and had no intention of upsizing any time soon.
When i did get the itch to upsize (5 or 6 years later!), i didnt fancy the wait between the restricted and the full (like the OP), and i fancied a holiday anyway, so i went to Raro.
As has been said before, a Raro licence can be got for $20 and a 60 second moped ride in front of the cop shop. You can then convert it immediately on your return for a full NZ licence by booking in and doing the full test.
Also, it is correct that the foreign licence is valid for 12 months anyway and leaving and returning to the country just for a short time e.g. another holiday resets the 12 month validity provided the foreign licence is still valid.
I know this because i was served a compliance notice for driving my car with my British licence after 12 months had passed and revalidated it by going on holiday.

PS. Before the rule followers start having a sulk about it and go crying to someone, i have full NZ bike and car licences and have done for a while now.
I never once had, or considered having, a Restricted though. ;)

[iwilson]

Have you heard anything back yet?

Yip, within 10 working days. They wanted some more info. Unfortunately I was overseas at the time and have only just got back and supplied it. Now with the holidays in full swing I've no idea when it might be dealt with now. I'm pleasantly surprised that I've got this far.

[iwilson]

Exemption granted. :yes::gob::Punk::2thumbsup:drinknsin

[Ender EnZed]

Exemption granted. :yes::gob::Punk::2thumbsup:drinknsin

What's the effect of that? Can you ride any non-LAMS bike now? On what grounds was it granted?

[iwilson]

I can ride one specific non-lams bike - my license will have a condition attached with the reg number. I submitted a bit of a novel and some of the reasons were very specific to my case and may not have been given much weight in any case.


Middle aged with clean license
Held a provisonal license in late teens
Have completed bronze and silver ACC courses
Had a supporting reference from an instructor who evaluated my riding on all CBTA tests and 8 hours on silver ACC course
I ride most days wet or dry and have more experience than most once a month only if it's dry riders.
Put a lot of time and effort into my submission to show I was serious and hopefully credible.
Other reasons specific to my case that probably carried little weight but even if they did are unique to me.


That is a very short summary of what was multiple pages long with supporting attachments.

[Ender EnZed]

Interesting. My understanding of the exemptions given in pre-LAMS days was that they were almost always for big guys who didn't fit on little 250s. Or for riding after 10pm because of work/family reasons. It sounds like you've been given an exemption even though none of the conditions of your licence are hard for you to comply with. Which seems odd, but, good for you I guess.

What was the bike you're allowed to ride?

[iwilson]

If you read the DL4 form the driving force is that you must show that you won't present an increased danger to other road users should an exemption be granted. Having a checkered history in terms of tickets then forget it. 17 and work late shifts at MD's forget it. The current system can't for obvious reasons account for every individual circumstance. It's a blanket that tries to err on the side of safety but is imperfect. For example I could pass my CBTA full and not ride a bike again for 12 months and still pickup my full license. Or I could crank out thousands of k's and still have to wait the 12months.

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