Speeding tickets and 3 at once

[GSeX]

My bros and I got speeding tickets last night, all 3 of us, doing 115km/h following traffic in the fast lane on the way to a group ride, and the cop pulled all 3 of us over at once. Wondering if he's allowed to pull over a group and if his speed gun can even prove all 3 riding in close formation were doing the same speed (talking about legal evidence). Anybody had experience with this?

[Bassmatt]

Why did you all stop?

[GSeX]

Our 'stick together' policy but in hindsight might of been better if 2 kept going

[TheDemonLord]

I remember on one group ride - a couple of guys to the ride were having a 'spirited' ride - and had a lovely chat with Mr Plod - who advised he couldn't get a solid lock on either of them (enough to issue a ticket) but he knew they were riding too quick and so gave them a good talking to.

I would hazard a guess though that if he got a solid lock on one of you - and all 3 were riding at the same speed - he would be able to use the solid lock on one of you and charge you all.

[EJK]

Don't switch the channel! This thread ought to be good!!!

:corn::corn::corn:

[5ive]

My bros and I got speeding tickets last night, all 3 of us, doing 115km/h following traffic in the fast lane

What the fuck were you thinking? You're lucky to still be alive. That cop deserves a beer for saving yours, or someone elses life.

[GSeX]

I remember on one group ride - a couple of guys to the ride were having a 'spirited' ride - and had a lovely chat with Mr Plod - who advised he couldn't get a solid lock on either of them (enough to issue a ticket) but he knew they were riding too quick and so gave them a good talking to.

I would hazard a guess though that if he got a solid lock on one of you - and all 3 were riding at the same speed - he would be able to use the solid lock on one of you and charge you all.
Think you may be right

What the fuck were you thinking? You're lucky to still be alive. That cop deserves a beer for saving yours, or someone elses life.
Sometimes you just gotta wind back the throttle you know.. just past idle

[Stirts]

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[nodrog]

My bros and I got speeding tickets last night, all 3 of us, doing 115km/h following traffic in the fast lane on the way to a group ride, and the cop pulled all 3 of us over at once. Wondering if he's allowed to pull over a group and if his speed gun can even prove all 3 riding in close formation were doing the same speed (talking about legal evidence). Anybody had experience with this?

maybe you should be thankful he hasn't charged you for racing under the boy racer act, cos that's what everybody down here gets charged with under those circumstances.

[Akzle]

should have asked for a group discount

[nodrog]

should have asked for a group discount

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[Bassmatt]

Our 'stick together' policy but in hindsight might of been better if 2 kept going

:facepalm:
Live and learn eh?

[Akzle]

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do you ever worry about your mental state?

[awa355]

My bros and I got speeding tickets last night, all 3 of us, doing 115km/h

:brick::brick::brick:

[TheDemonLord]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to nodrog again.

[R650R]

Why did you all stop?

Exactly, that's a defacto admission of guilt there.

I've been on the back doors of another truck (about to line him up for a pass) when a cop radared the front truck turned around and disco lighted up behind us.
I tried my luck moving left to give room to pass and he pulled front truck up. I wasn't directed to stop so carried on, nothing came of it for me.

Another time I've known of a cop picking one truck out of a group of five all convoy speeding down a hill....

Always do the friendly wave on through like you think he's on his way to something else like an accident. Only top for repeated tooting and siren blips.

Years ago a mufti pulled a mate over then booted it to catch up to me then waved my mate up and tickted both of us, but fair enough we were both speeding for a significant amount of time while being followed.

Just pay yer ticket and don't don't be stopping so easy next time.

[Tazz]

Exactly, that's a defacto admission of guilt there.

So you should never stop for the fuzz as it admits guilt yeah? :bleh:

[nodrog]

do you ever worry about your mental state?

why? surely that's a job for everybody else.

[BMWGSER]

If the Bobbie got You guys with the Laser He would need 3 goes , very easy . if He Pursuit checked Ya (checked your speed with His speedo ) also very easy .
Only the Radar is harder to prove in a group, and Motorways have not got many Radar equiped cars . So just go and pay the the fines and slow down a little .
If You have no Demirits pay the fine sooner because the Demirits start when You pay or get convicted in court ,not from the day of the offence.
Stay safe

[Akzle]

So you should never stop for the fuzz as it admits guilt yeah? :bleh:

correct .

[Erelyes]

and the cop bent all 3 of us over at once.

Fixed that

[rastuscat]

If You have no Demirits pay the fine sooner because the Demirits start when You pay or get convicted in court ,not from the day of the offence.
Stay safe

That used to be the case years ago. A change going back a long way means that points go on your licence when you either pay the fine or get convicted, but with an effective date of the day you were caught.

Back in the early days of demerits you could manipulate the system, which is why they changed it.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you should never stop for the fuzz as it admits guilt yeah? :bleh:

to avoid further harassment & extortion from this criminal gang it's also advised to remove plates

[Oakie]

doing 115km/h following traffic in the fast lane

What is the 'fast lane' you speak of?

[pritch]

I was on a Ulysses ovenight ride once, the group was travellling home at highway speed but not excessively so, it had been raining and the road was wet. A cop came the other way, put his lights on and did a U turn. My plan was that I was not going to stop because I was not speeding, the detector had picked him up, and since I was toward the back of the group on the inside and there was no way I featured in his reading anyway.

He foiled my plan by overtaking the group, stopping in the middle of the road and flagging everybody down. About ten bikes.

Quite agitated at first, he started to calm calm down when he saw all the grey hair. He said he had got a reading of 140kph from a bike in the group although he didn't know which. (Nor did I.) He said the normal policy in such instances was to ticket the lead rider. I'd have thought tail end charlie was more likely to be going quickest, but such subtleties may elude the non-biking members of our constabulary.

He resorted to giving us his standard road safety speech until it finally occurred, even to him, that he sounded silly and he fucked off.

[nzspokes]

My bros and I got speeding tickets last night, all 3 of us, doing 115km/h following traffic in the fast lane on the way to a group ride, and the cop pulled all 3 of us over at once. Wondering if he's allowed to pull over a group and if his speed gun can even prove all 3 riding in close formation were doing the same speed (talking about legal evidence). Anybody had experience with this?

I call B/S. No traffic on Auckland motorways travels at 115kph.

If your lucky they will do 90.

[caspernz]

I call B/S. No traffic on Auckland motorways travels at 115kph.

If your lucky they will do 90.

Mmmm, I dunno about that. Few months had a ghost driver doing at least 115 in the hammer lane going in the wrong direction, no lights on, to try and avoid the Police giving chase (to their credit the Police were on the correct side of the m/way and hanging back). The things you see at 3am :confused:

[WNJ]

What is the 'fast lane' you speak of?

On the wankland motorway, it usually the left lane :lol:

[EJK]

On the wankland motorway, it usually the left lane :lol:

Wrong. Every lane is a fast lane.

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[ellipsis]

...I overtook a cop at 380 k's per hour...got done for GBH 'cos the prick hurt his neck trying to get my rego as I passed...the other two blokes I was riding with were doing about 430k's per hour but he didn't see them...they made me buy the next eight jugs before we rode back home, because I was going too slow...cunts...

[gjm]

I got caught doing over 100km/h on SH1 northbound near Meremere. Cop who stopped was very nice about the whole thing (but wouldn't let me off <sigh>), but did say that had I been passing a car when he saw me, he wouldn't have been able to tell if it was me or the car that was speeding.

[caseye]

I got caught doing over 100km/h on SH1 northbound near Meremere. Cop who stopped was very nice about the whole thing (but wouldn't let me off <sigh>), but did say that had I been passing a car when he saw me, he wouldn't have been able to tell if it was me or the car that was speeding.

You are writing in on that one aye?
You'll get off it by his own admission.
As for the OP.
115 indicated you're gorn for all time, stop complaining and pay the fine.You made it easy for him, one of you was doing that speed, none of you said " no I wasn't" end of story.

[gjm]

You are writing in on that one aye?
You'll get off it by his own admission.

Way too late. Besides, I was the only vehicle I'd seen in several minutes. He probably only stopped me because he was bored.

[Erelyes]

I got caught doing over 100km/h on SH1 northbound near Meremere. Cop who stopped was very nice about the whole thing (but wouldn't let me off <sigh>), but did say that had I been passing a car when he saw me, he wouldn't have been able to tell if it was me or the car that was speeding.

So, you'd either be doing the speed he got on radar, or you'd be going faster....

[Jin]

So, you'd either be doing the speed he got on radar, or you'd be going faster....
Do you report yourself to popo and ask for a ticket whenever you exceed the speed limit?

[gjm]

So, you'd either be doing the speed he got on radar, or you'd be going faster....

I may (or may not) have been travelling at a speed way in excess of the figure quoted on the ticket.

I was speeding. I was caught and accepted the ticket gracefully. Disappointing, but don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine...

[Erelyes]

Do you report yourself to popo and ask for a ticket whenever you exceed the speed limit?

I don't think you quite got what I was saying.

[JayDNZ]

I am just about to apply for citizenship and the "cut off" is 70 demerits, I'm sitting on 50 and got a ticket a few months back, mufti tracked me 65 in a 50 zone. Decided to take it to court because it would take me over 70.... Bobby didn't turn up, got off Scott free :)

[gjm]

I am just about to apply for citizenship and the "cut off" is 70 demerits...

I had no idea motoring demerits could affect a citizenship application! Given the state of driving, it probably explains why there are so many permanent residents...

Let me know how your app goes? We're looking to do the same in a year or two.

[JayDNZ]

I had no idea motoring demerits could affect a citizenship application! Given the state of driving, it probably explains why there are so many permanent residents...

Let me know how your app goes? We're looking to do the same in a year or two.


Will do!.. Looks like it might have moved up to 100 points "you won’t get citizenship if you’ve had more than 100 demerit points in the last 2 years"

http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Citizenship-Become-a-New-Zealand-citizen-Part-4?OpenDocument

[Waihou Thumper]

I am just about to apply for citizenship and the "cut off" is 70 demerits, I'm sitting on 50 and got a ticket a few months back, mufti tracked me 65 in a 50 zone. Decided to take it to court because it would take me over 70.... Bobby didn't turn up, got off Scott free :)

And you are pleased with this then? Oh aren't you lucky, getting away 'scot free!' :Oops:
Did you think at the time, I could kill someone here.....AND all of the times you have amassed demerits...
WTF, do you think New Zealand is a training circuit for recent imports to practise their driving so called skills?

[JayDNZ]

And you are pleased with this then?

Hell Yeah!! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:



Did you think at the time, I could kill someone here.....AND all of the times you have amassed demerits...
WTF, do you think New Zealand is a training circuit for recent imports to practise their driving so called skills?


:violin::whocares::zzzz::zzzz::not::bleh:

[Waihou Thumper]

Hell Yeah!! :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:




:violin::whocares::zzzz::zzzz::not::bleh:

Unbelievable attitude Newbie.! :tugger:
Sums you up quite nicely...

[FJRider]

... but did say that had I been passing a car when he saw me, he wouldn't have been able to tell if it was me or the car that was speeding.

You were the faster vehicle he got the speed locked on ... as you were seen overtaking another vehicle.

What is there left to dispute (or doubt) ...???

[awayatc]

You were the faster vehicle he got the speed locked on ... as you were seen overtaking another vehicle.

What is there left to dispute (or doubt) ...???

A...read that post properly before you comment...

B...no honour in bending over and paying tickets

[Erelyes]

B...no honour in bending over and paying tickets

:facepalm: So you fight charges you're guilty of?

[Conquiztador]

That used to be the case years ago. A change going back a long way means that points go on your licence when you either pay the fine or get convicted, but with an effective date of the day you were caught.

Back in the early days of demerits you could manipulate the system, which is why they changed it.

I think it still works. If you sit at close to 100 but the oldest is about to drop off, the latest will not be added to the equation before you pay/get convicted. So if you delay that from happening until after the old ones are dropped you are still under 100. Yes there will be a period when you would have had over 100, but as it is now in the past it wont affect you in the now.

[JayDNZ]

Unbelievable attitude Newbie.! :tugger:
Sums you up quite nicely...

Ahhhh.. Lighten up man, I come in peace! I actually thought you where taking the piss.... I'm no serial speeder, in fact I can never keep up with the rest of the guys when we go out for a spin!! Tail end charlie, not through choice lol :rolleyes:

I would have taken the ticket on the chin, where it not for the fact it could affect my citizenship application.

Anyway, no offence intended.

[FJRider]

A...read that post properly before you comment...



So ... the car he was overtaking was the faster vehicle ... and it wasn't certain if he (the OP) was speeding.


The judge would buy that ... <_<

[rastuscat]

I think it still works. If you sit at close to 100 but the oldest is about to drop off, the latest will not be added to the equation before you pay/get convicted. So if you delay that from happening until after the old ones are dropped you are still under 100. Yes there will be a period when you would have had over 100, but as it is now in the past it wont affect you in the now.

It'd be interesting to get the official answer to this.

Points are incurred from the day the fine is paid, or a judge or jp bangs the gavel, but the effective date is the offence date.

So if you have 90 and the first was 1.99 years ago and you get pinged for a stop sign (20 demerits), the damage is done. Holding off paying the fine doesn't change the offence date.

Having said that, I've never worked for the NZTA. Demerits are an NZTA system, they are the gurus on it. There's a couple of women at CRDL who can answer this one, I just don't have a direct line to them any more.

Anyone can check their own demerits on 0800 822 422

[Conquiztador]

It'd be interesting to get the official answer to this.


So if you have 90 and the first was 1.99 years ago and you get pinged for a stop sign (20 demerits), the damage is done. Holding off paying the fine doesn't change the offence date.



As the points are not registered agains your license before you pay them I can hold off paying them until my total is so low that the new lot does not take me over the 100 points limit meaning my license would not be suspended. Logic here is obviously that before you admit to the offence the points are not allocated to you.

[awayatc]

So ... the car he was overtaking was the faster vehicle ... and it wasn't certain if he (the OP) was speeding.


The judge would buy that ... <_<

Dont just ramble....

read

[awayatc]

:facepalm: So you fight charges you're guilty of?

Charges...?

guilty...?

definitely never just bend over for anybody,
no matter what outfit they wear..

But each to their own, hope you got a large tub of vaseline,

[rastuscat]

As the points are not registered agains your license before you pay them I can hold off paying them until my total is so low that the new lot does not take me over the 100 points limit meaning my license would not be suspended. Logic here is obviously that before you admit to the offence the points are not allocated to you.

The devil is in the detail. They closed that loop hole years back.

[pritch]

Points are incurred from the day the fine is paid, or a judge or jp bangs the gavel, but the effective date is the offence date.


Judges in the US of A have a gavel. Judges in British courts, and those that follow that system including NZ, do not.
That comment suggests more time watching TV than observing what is happening in court? :whistle:

[Conquiztador]

The devil is in the detail. They closed that loop hole years back.

Am I to understand that as soon as a police officer gives me a traffic fine the points are recorded on my license even if I have the right to dispute the fine? If this is the case then a possible wrongful fine would stop me from driving/riding until resolved in court.

[Erelyes]

Am I to understand that as soon as a police officer gives me a traffic fine the points are recorded on my license even if I have the right to dispute the fine?

I would imagine that points go on at the earliest of when:
- You pay the fine (as this is an admission of guilt), or
- You request a court hearing, and the court finds you guilty, or
- The fine goes to collection proceedings (56 days or more after the offence, because you didn't pay it)

[rastuscat]

Am I to understand that as soon as a police officer gives me a traffic fine the points are recorded on my license even if I have the right to dispute the fine? If this is the case then a possible wrongful fine would stop me from driving/riding until resolved in court.

No.

Points are incurred on the day the determination of guilt is made. Which can be when the fine is paid, or the system decides so.

They are put onto the licence with an effective date of the offence date.

It's the system. Has been for years.

Land Transport 1998 Section 88 (4) refers. Happy browsing.

[Conquiztador]

No.

Points are incurred on the day the determination of guilt is made. Which can be when the fine is paid, or the system decides so.

They are put onto the licence with an effective date of the offence date.

It's the system. Has been for years.

Land Transport 1998 Section 88 (4) refers. Happy browsing.


Thanks for clarification. This was what I believed to be in place but your replies confused me (easy to do...). This then means that my earlier point is still valid:

- I get stopped by a traffic officer and given a fine. This fine also includes demerit points (lets say for simplicity that he/she gives me 20 demerit points)
- As I already have 90 demerit points, and my license would be suspended if I climb up to/over 100, I will hold on paying the fine until after the 20 oldest ones (that I got 23 months ago) drop off.
- This way I can, even if I theoretically have 110 demerit points, keep on driving/riding. When/if I get stopped in this period I would still be driving/riding legally as only 90 demerit points show on my record. Yes, the demerit points are, once I admit my guilt, added to my old demerit points and backdated to when I did the offence. But as I have waited until 20 points dropped off before paying I am able to ride/drive legally.

Or is there something I am missing here???

[Ender EnZed]

Thanks for clarification. This was what I believed to be in place but your replies confused me (easy to do...). This then means that my earlier point is still valid:

- I get stopped by a traffic officer and given a fine. This fine also includes demerit points (lets say for simplicity that he/she gives me 20 demerit points)
- As I already have 90 demerit points, and my license would be suspended if I climb up to/over 100, I will hold on paying the fine until after the 20 oldest ones (that I got 23 months ago) drop off.
- This way I can, even if I theoretically have 110 demerit points, keep on driving/riding. When/if I get stopped in this period I would still be driving/riding legally as only 90 demerit points show on my record. Yes, the demerit points are, once I admit my guilt, added to my old demerit points and backdated to when I did the offence. But as I have waited until 20 points dropped off before paying I am able to ride/drive legally.

Or is there something I am missing here???

Seems like the alternative would be to lose your licence (on paying the fine) for 3 months effective from the date of the offence. If that was 1.5 months ago then you'd be disqualified for 1.5 months into the future instead of 3, so still better off. Never heard of that happening though.

[rastuscat]

Thanks for clarification. This was what I believed to be in place but your replies confused me (easy to do...). This then means that my earlier point is still valid:

- I get stopped by a traffic officer and given a fine. This fine also includes demerit points (lets say for simplicity that he/she gives me 20 demerit points)
- As I already have 90 demerit points, and my license would be suspended if I climb up to/over 100, I will hold on paying the fine until after the 20 oldest ones (that I got 23 months ago) drop off.
- This way I can, even if I theoretically have 110 demerit points, keep on driving/riding. When/if I get stopped in this period I would still be driving/riding legally as only 90 demerit points show on my record. Yes, the demerit points are, once I admit my guilt, added to my old demerit points and backdated to when I did the offence. But as I have waited until 20 points dropped off before paying I am able to ride/drive legally.

Or is there something I am missing here???

Here's how it works.

You have 90. You get a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign (20 demerits)

You hold off on paying until the first ticket falls off. Then you pay the $150 for the stop sign ticket, post bitchy shit on kb about revenue collecting and settle down to a beer similar to the 5 I've had tonight.

Problem is, the system has a memory. When you pay the one fiddy you trigger the 20 points, which are back dated to the offence date. The system flashes up the balance as being in excess of 100 at some stage within a 2 year period.

Even if you move around for 5 years, all the points drop off and you become a Carmelite nun, that flag doesn't go away. If you get checked by a roadside cop the flag will see you being issued with a 3 month roadside suspension.

When I was a baby traffic cop (1988) you lost your licence for 6 months if you gathered the points within 12 months, and for 3 months if within 2 years. You could delay rhe points at that stage. A review early 90s I think saw it standardised, aBo time too.

Average citizens would just face the system, smart arses would wrought it. So the system eliminated that loophole.

[Conquiztador]

Here's how it works.

You have 90. You get a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign (20 demerits)

You hold off on paying until the first ticket falls off. Then you pay the $150 for the stop sign ticket, post bitchy shit on kb about revenue collecting and settle down to a beer similar to the 5 I've had tonight.

Problem is, the system has a memory. When you pay the one fiddy you trigger the 20 points, which are back dated to the offence date. The system flashes up the balance as being in excess of 100 at some stage within a 2 year period.

Even if you move around for 5 years, all the points drop off and you become a Carmelite nun, that flag doesn't go away. If you get checked by a roadside cop the flag will see you being issued with a 3 month roadside suspension.

When I was a baby traffic cop (1988) you lost your licence for 6 months if you gathered the points within 12 months, and for 3 months if within 2 years. You could delay rhe points at that stage. A review early 90s I think saw it standardised, aBo time too.

Average citizens would just face the system, smart arses would wrought it. So the system eliminated that loophole.

Cheers :)
It took a while but now I get it.

[rastuscat]

Cheers :)
It took a while but now I get it.

Awwwww. Happy to help. Hic.:yawn::bye::cold::brick::bye::woohoo::sweatdro p

[R650R]

Here's how it works.



Even if you move around for 5 years, all the points drop off and you become a Carmelite nun, that flag doesn't go away. If you get checked by a roadside cop the flag will see you being issued with a 3 month roadside suspension.



Or in the case of a previous workmate.... you buy a shiney near new boy racer car and register it to your current address and bingo the system says hey guys he lives here now.
You can run but you cant hide from big brother.... And btw big brother knocked on his door while he was sleeping and said hand over your (expired) license now....