The flip side of the coin

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ok. We've all read the many *this bike shop/ that bike shop is shit* threads.

Having been around for a bit, I've seen many, and worked in many shops. I've met thousands of GC's, and many not so good. But this week, I've come across a guy that I must say, ranks as the lowest pile of shit I've ever come across in my entire time in the industry. Yep, even in my time in Australia, never did I meet such a slimy, gutless, thieving wanker. And that's saying something.

Here's how it went. Customer calls up, he's in a spot...bike has cut out. Sweet as. We look at it as soon as we can. It has a flat battery, looks like it may not be charging. It's a GSX750F, alt behind the cyl. So tank, fairings off. Check charge rate...not charging. Alt out. Take it over to the auto sparky (only as they have a machine we can run it up on). Pull it apart to check the brushes first. Look ok. Put it back together to spin it up...hello..it's charging. Check it again...yep...doing as it should.

Charge the guys battery, put it back in the bike and test ride. All is good. Charge customer $150.00 from memory. He pays...everyone is happy.

Few days later, poor guy calls up..battery we fitted has shit it's self, needs to be replaced. I told him if it is indeed fucked (can't remember which bike has had what due to numbers going through every single day etc), we'll certainly replace it. Bike is at another shop. No problem. But seeing as we were the fitting agent, we'll not get warranty on it, unless we're the ones that check it. It's a hassle I know for him to get to to us, but he does so.

My boss checks it out, sure enough, the battery is fucked. Yep, perhaps we should've checked his battery out closer...but was holding charge when it left. We inform the customer, it does indeed need a new battery, but no...sorry, we didn't fit one. That side of it is a miscommunication. So a battery is x$'s.

Customer goes off the handle, calls my boss a dishonest person, tells him he's got a reputation for it, wants him to provide a new battery free of charge. Why would we? Despite my boss assuring him, no battery was actually fitted or ever charged to the customer...the customer is demanding a new battery, free of charge. He's told that's not going to happen and whilst we're sorry he's had the inconvenience of having to bring it back...we've done no wrong and won't be putting a free battery in his bike. We're told he'll never come back, and that's the end of it.

Later in the day, I get a call from this guy. He tells me he's asked around, has talked to quite a few people that know me, or of me, and he's told I'm a straight up guy that'll not have a lend of him. I told him he's badly mistaken if he thinks either of my current bosses are liars, full of shit or useless, as they're the most straight up guys you'll ever come across in the bike industry, and know more about motorcycles than anyone else I've ever had the pleasure to work for.

I said I'd have a word to my boss that did the work (the one he'd called a dishonest liar), to see if we could put something together for he guy...to smooth the waters despite having done noting actually wrong. We decide we'll fit battery for free and do trade price of said battery. Customer tells me he's happy and thanks.

Customer then collects bike Sat, whilst it's parked out the front of the shop...on the street, using his spare key.

He then rings my boss...tells him he's collected his bike. Boss tells him, oh, ok. But I have your spare key etc here. Boss is told..."You can keep it!!!", and is hung up on.

Slimy cunt then refuses to respond to calls.

OK. So it's now ok to purposely steal a battery from a bike shop, because for some warped reason, you feel you're entitled to.

So if you're here on this forum, you gutless thieving twat, I'll leave your name out of this story for a day or two, to give you the chance to do the right thing.

Ring up, pay for the battery.

[Dogboy900]

Hope he comes clean and pays up. I think you are at Boyles at the moment aren't you? Like you say a bunch of really good people there, they certainly don't deserve that treatment.

[caspernz]

That's pretty stink Pete, hope you don't wait too long for the scumbag to pay up, before you post his details...:mad:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hope he comes clean and pays up. I think you are at Boyles at the moment aren't you? Like you say a bunch of really good people there, they certainly don't deserve that treatment.

Yep. 2nd tour of duty there for me. Been in four diff shops in between drinks. Family owned and run business...not big. Hard graft. Only a battery I know. But that's not the point really eh. Was a premeditated act of theft. As low as it gets really. Shat on me too, as I set up the deal for him. I don't take that very well. We obviously have his home address...he's incredibly lucky my bosses are nice people, and wouldn't take matters into their own hands. I've worked in shops where that'd happen though. :msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's pretty stink Pete, hope you don't wait too long for the scumbag to pay up, before you post his details...:mad:

I'm not holding my breath.

[Katman]

Having been around for a bit, I've seen many, and worked in many shops. I've met thousands of GC's, and many not so good. But this week, I've come across a guy that I must say, ranks as the lowest pile of shit I've ever come across in my entire time in the industry. Yep, even in my time in Australia, never did I meet such a slimy, gutless, thieving wanker. And that's saying something.



tl;dr

<img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iEIApUNVBKg/hqdefault.jpg"/>

Luxury!

[Crasherfromwayback]

tl;dr



Luxury!

Bet you've met ya share too.

[sidecar bob]

25 years in the vehicle repair industry & very nearly over it.
Broken arse shitheads with no money always looking for some hapless third party to cover their misfortunes.
Its usually either the garage, their father, their ex husband, the guy they bought the vehicle off 2 years ago, w.i.n.z or the bloke that gave them a free jumpstart in the supermarket carpark.
Fuck the loser, he's well beneath you & I.

[Crasherfromwayback]

25 years in the vehicle repair industry & very nearly over it.
Broken arse shitheads with no money always looking for some hapless third party to cover their misfortunes.
Its usually either the garage, their father, their ex husband, the guy they bought the vehicle off 2 years ago, w.i.n.z or the bloke that gave them a free jumpstart in the supermarket carpark.
Fuck the loser, he's well beneath you & I.

I've always found certain Poms seem to have this fucked up sense of entitlement...this is one of those.

[sidecar bob]

I've always found certain Poms seem to have this fucked up sense of entitlement...this is one of those.

Recent UK immigrants seem very paranoid when it comes to garages & vehicle repairers. It seems the industry is chock full of cowboys over there. They all seem to think you are out to assfuck them, once you have proved your integrity they become rock solid.
Not defending him, as he's a fuckin clown for backdooring you.

[Moise]

Send him an invoice, then when he doesn't pay, send it to a debt collector. That way at least it will end up on his credit record.

I wonder how many times he's pulled the same trick?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Errrr he has stolen the item make a complaint of theft. As well as pursuing the civil remedies.

[Richard Mc F]

Send him an invoice, then when he doesn't pay, send it to a debt collector. That way at least it will end up on his credit record.

I wonder how many times he's pulled the same trick?

Yup once baycorp or their ilk fry tem credit gets harder and more expensive for them, they exist, throw them to the dogs, let go move on.

Only 8 years of dealing with this so far:bleh:

[BuzzardNZ]

It's theft plain and simple. You've got his details, I reckon send the plod round.

[gsxr]

If John and Mark are still running Boyles they are probably the most honest in the business .

[nzspokes]

$150 for a job like that seems cheap.

Is this guy on KB?

[Madness]

How anyone can think a retail business can survive long-term in such a small market without a high standard of ethics is beyond me. Same as the dickheads that believe retailers are creaming it, total fucking fantasy.

Welly's a small town eh, Pete?

[nodrog]

send me his key.

[tigertim20]

this story could only be better if the cops turn up investigating a complaint about a stolen key . . .

[Crasherfromwayback]

Send him an invoice, then when he doesn't pay, send it to a debt collector. That way at least it will end up on his credit record.
I wonder how many times he's pulled the same trick?

That'll be happening. Thought I'd give him the chance first to do the right thing.


Errrr he has stolen the item make a complaint of theft. As well as pursuing the civil remedies.

Aye.


Yup once baycorp or their ilk fry tem credit gets harder and more expensive for them, they exist, throw them to the dogs, let go move on.
Only 8 years of dealing with this so far:bleh:

Aye.


It's theft plain and simple. You've got his details, I reckon send the plod round.

Plod would do FA. Pity though.


If John and Mark are still running Boyles they are probably the most honest in the business .

They certainly are. And mr X was told this by me when he was all nice to me.


$150 for a job like that seems cheap.
Is this guy on KB?

Just fair. I'm thinking so, going by the things he said to me when trying to get me to convince Mark to give him a free battery.


How anyone can think a retail business can survive long-term in such a small market without a high standard of ethics is beyond me. Same as the dickheads that believe retailers are creaming it, total fucking fantasy.
Welly's a small town eh, Pete?

Sure is. And we (in the industry) all get on well.


this story could only be better if the cops turn up investigating a complaint about a stolen key . . .

You mean the one on his spare key ring that looks like it has a garage/house key on it?

[Gremlin]

Send him an invoice, then when he doesn't pay, send it to a debt collector. That way at least it will end up on his credit record.
If you don't have an account with debt collector, there will be a setup fee, then they'll take a cut of the retrieved sum... much better to try and sort yourself first, but yes, lodged on record and can cause issues, but I'd do it for more than just $150.

Surely that bike is new enough for the ECU to need registered keys etc? In which he's just lost a valuable key...

Anyway, I'd lodge with cops. You have address etc, should be an easy job. Property remains yours until purchased...

[Moise]

I very much doubt the cops would get involved, they will consider it a civil case. Whereas if he walked out with the battery under his arm, that would be theft.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you don't have an account with debt collector, there will be a setup fee, then they'll take a cut of the retrieved sum... much better to try and sort yourself first, but yes, lodged on record and can cause issues, but I'd do it for more than just $150.

Surely that bike is new enough for the ECU to need registered keys etc? In which he's just lost a valuable key...

Anyway, I'd lodge with cops. You have address etc, should be an easy job. Property remains yours until purchased...

Cops won't do shit. Won't even follow up stolen motorcycles. And nah...not a chipped key.


if he walked out with the battery under his arm, that would be theft.

Basically did. Then rubbed my bosses face in it for good measure. Smarmy gutless cunt.

[Berries]

......You mean the one on his spare key ring that looks like it has a garage/house key on it?
You know his name. Presumably you can get his address. Presumably if said motorbike is not at home neither is he.

I'd give the house key to Nodrog and let him go shit in the dudes bed/fridge/dog/girlfriend for a laugh.

He'd probably pay you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You know his name. Presumably you can get his address. Presumably if said motorbike is not at home neither is he.

I'd give the house key to Nodrog and let him go shit in the dudes bed/fridge/dog/girlfriend for a laugh.

He'd probably pay you.

We have his address mate. And he's already offered me money for it.

[Berries]

We have his address mate. And he's already offered me money for it.
I meant Nodrog.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I meant Nodrog.

Lol. So did I.

[TheDemonLord]

Go round to his house (with his key) retrieve your battery, leave bike without battery.

[nodrog]

Make about 10 copies of his house key, print up some business cards with his address offering free beds, meals, showers.

Go out on the town tonight and hand them out to Blanket mans chums.

[pzkpfw]

Do the bike shops share a list of customers like this?

Maybe they need a reverse of the "no cowboys" style of website; for the crappy customers.

[jasonu]

Make about 10 copies of his house key, print up some business cards with his address offering free beds, meals, showers, hand jobs, bum sex....

Go out on the town tonight and hand them out to Blanket mans chums.

new and improved.

[Night Falcon]

hummmm.....A new "uses for waste oil" springs to mind :shifty:

[sidecar bob]

A few years ago a bloke that hadn't paid for a FA50 scooter tyre parked it near the smoko shop that the bike shop boys used.
He came back to it to find the bike all perfectly assembled, but minus the tyre.
He then had to pay to have the bike recovered to the shop & pay to have it fitted again, up front this time.

[GrayWolf]

I've always found certain Poms seem to have this fucked up sense of entitlement...this is one of those.

why thank you for those kind words Pete.....
may you be forced to drink 10 cups of your own coffee....... :lol::lol:

[Crasherfromwayback]

why thank you for those kind words Pete.....
may you be forced to drink 10 cups of your own coffee....... :lol::lol:

Lol. Glad you noticed the word *certain*. Thank fuck I don't drink coffee.:msn-wink:

[Flip]

Thank fuck I don't drink coffee.:msn-wink:

We could tell but were too polite to say anything.

Reposess the battery since you have the key for the bike.

[pritch]

Plod would do FA. Pity though.



Yeah but you could put it on their books as stolen for future reference.

Trades people/shops have limited recourse for goods they sell that aren't payed for. You could have kept the bike until he payed for the battery but he got around that basically by stealing it which may open your options.

A more KB solution might be for you to advertise the smartarse's key for sale on Trademe with rego detail and his address. Somebody might be willing to pay enough for that to recover cost of the battery. Then again, they'd prolly want to steal the key.

[willytheekid]

Sorry to hear Pete

...my 2 cents

CRY HAVOC...AND RELEASE THE NODROGS OF WAR!!:headbang:


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3c/39/7c/3c397ce730cdbe9749ac331529d73390.jpg


Oh...and Pics please! :clap:(I want to see the look of pure disgust and fear on his face please Nodrog)

[cheshirecat]

Thank fuck I don't drink coffee.:msn-wink:
Now you say that. Explains that concoction you offer.

Anyway you guys can hold your heads high. Law of averages you get one over the years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Now you say that. Explains that concoction you offer.

Anyway you guys can hold your heads high. Law of averages you get one over the years.

Lol. Easy now!

That much is true, but it's the gutless and smarmy style of this particular theft that really pisses us off.

[sidecar bob]

Nodrog will fuck with the guy tirelessly for his own entertainment until he is confused & anxious.
Especially if he can get his hands on the guys trademe name & work or business address, which it seems isint difficult for him to do.
It is probably worth the cost of the battery just for the entertainment value.

[JimO]

what you need to do is sneak over and replace the battery with a dud one and wait till he comes back to complain then kick him in the goolies

[SVboy]

:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn: Cassina is in da house! i,m in!

[sidecar bob]

Take the spare key & turn the ignition to park lamp position to flatten the battery.
Keep the key, repeat randomly of an evening until bored with it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did your boss put on the invoice what exactly the bill was for in that it was for an alternator check/test and battery charge only?

Of course.

[BuzzardNZ]

was it a Shorai? :devil2:

[BMWST?]

was it a Shorai? :devil2:
Shorley!!!!!!!

[Madness]

Nodrog will fuck with the guy tirelessly for his own entertainment until he is confused & anxious.

Stirts mentioned he can get a bit like that. Probably just dehydration.

[Tarded]

Mechanics lein. Look it up

[Shaun Harris]

Recent UK immigrants seem very paranoid when it comes to garages & vehicle repairers. It seems the industry is chock full of cowboys over there. They all seem to think you are out to assfuck them, once you have proved your integrity they become rock solid.
Not defending him, as he's a fuckin clown for backdooring you.


Uk industry is fucked man. I have watched a mechanic clean around a tappet cover on a bike, and then charge the customer for tappet clearance work FFS

[nodrog]

Uk industry is fucked man. I have watched a mechanic clean around a tappet cover on a bike, and then charge the customer for tappet clearance work FFS

fuck that's a good idea, probably more realistic if he rounded a couple of tappet cover bolts off too.

[nodrog]

You hear of the same stories when vehicles are taken in for fluid replacements and on the odd occasion mechanics get caught out if the customer marks the cover/bolt so they can see if its been taken off. Still no proof the fluid has actually been replaced I guess.

yeah and banana skins in the diff, and Ajax powder bore honing jobs.

[george formby]

You hear of the same stories when vehicles are taken in for fluid replacements and on the odd occasion mechanics get caught out if the customer marks the cover/bolt so they can see if its been taken off. Still no proof the fluid has actually been replaced I guess.


For many years I have been in the habit of putting a little grease on my nuts prior to servicing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mechanics lein. Look it up

Even if that is still a thing* (which under the regime introduced by the Protection of Personal and Property Rights Act errrr was it 2003) it doesnt apply to the present situation because the guy removed the bike from the premises without authority. The lein would not, in my view, extend to vigilante action such as stealing it back.... Colour of right and all that malarkey.

*which it appears that it is: p16

https://www.chapmantripp.com/publications/Documents/PPSA.pdf

[nzspokes]

For many years I have been in the habit of putting a little grease on my nuts prior to servicing.

I find wearing undies and shorts easier to clean but far be it from me to question the lifestyle choices of others.

[jasonu]

Get his address and go around and punch that pommy cunt really hard right in the face. Be sure to tell him what it is for.

[caseye]

So Pete, has the low life fronted up yet?
Well then Noddy, go get em bro!
Oh nearly forgot, Pic's lots of em.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Get his address and go around and punch that pommy cunt really hard right in the face. Be sure to tell him what it is for.

Would have to be with my left at the mo. I have very little use of my right arm.


So Pete, has the low life fronted up yet?
Well then Noddy, go get em bro!
Oh nearly forgot, Pic's lots of em.

Nope. But that's hardly surprising.

Monday for full name and pics.

[nzspokes]

So who on here lives in Wellington and has a GSX750f? :shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

So who on here lives in Wellington and has a GSX750f? :shifty:

And is a Pom...

[MarkH]

And is a Pom...

And is a worthless piece of shit . . .

[jasonu]

And is a Pom...

---mey cunt.

[nzspokes]

And is a Pom...

Which would help if you could hear accents on the internet.:bleh:

Im not the biggest fan of motorcycle workshops, but $150 for that job sounds more than fair to me. I would say you will have a busy workshop. Dont get where this dickhead thinks the dollars come from in that job to include a battery.

[Jeff Sichoe]

it's now monday... :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

it's now monday... :)

Sure is! I'll post a coupla pics of this chappy when I get home tonight.

[Akzle]

Sure is! I'll post a coupla pics of this chappy when I get home tonight.

it was chappie??!

He doesnt know any better, die antword has been teaching him bad things...

[Crasherfromwayback]

it was chappie??!

He doesnt know any better, die antword has been teaching him bad things...

Die Antwoord are very cool. This cat is not.

[pritch]

Die Antwoord are very cool. This cat is not.

The indications are that since he seems to have the ability to link actions with consequences he may be under 25. The cerebral cortex is not fully developed until about 25 years old. Either that or he's a bit slow?

You are going to email his name & pic to all the other bike shops in the area? We'll look forward to seeing his post whinging about all the crap bike shops in Wellytown who won't do any work for him unless he pays cash up front.

[sidecar bob]

And still, the little boy waits.

[pritch]

And still, the little boys wait.

Just moved that "s" for you.

[Swoop]

Would have to be with my left at the mo. I have very little use of my right arm.
Ahh! The curse of the Honda rider!

Just moved that "s" for you.
Not needed. Singular was correct, obviously referring to Nodrog and his new "playmate"*...:shit:


*batteries not included, conditions apply, free set of Ginzu knives with each purchase.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And still, the little boy waits.

Wait no more.

Here we have the *winner* of the week. A certain Ken Southall of Churton Park, Wellington. He's a hottie eh.

317464317465

[gsxr]

I wouldnt say he is a hottie but he is now world famous on Kiwibiker as the years biggest LOOSER .

[jellywrestler]

I wouldnt say he is a hottie but he is now world famous on Kiwibiker as the years biggest LOOSER .

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- Gremlin 201511241314

he's a grumpy barstard at 4.10 AM pete!!!!

[sugilite]

I dunno, the guy has a rare talent - actually making the ugliest bike Suzuki has ever made look blindingly handsome. :sick:

[caspernz]

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- Gremlin 201511241314

he's a grumpy barstard at 4.10 AM pete!!!!

Not answering his friggin phone at 6.01am, so must be sick of being asked when are you gonna pay for your battery, already....

[jellywrestler]

Not answering his friggin phone at 6.01am, so must be sick of being asked when are you gonna pay for your battery, already....

or where he got the shrek costume from?

[Robbo]

He's definately a weird looking cunt. He's going to regret the day he stole that battery.:motu::motu:

[nodrog]

fuckin learners -

ring him at work -

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- Gremlin 201511241314

[Mike.Gayner]

An internet mob with a vendetta, I'm sure this will end well...

[caspernz]

An internet mob with a vendetta, I'm sure this will end well...

Meh, the price of his new battery is just going up a little...:facepalm::blink::shit::confused::eek::la ugh::shutup:

[Akzle]

fuckin learners -

ring him at work -

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- Gremlin 201511241314

he's on stress leave

[Erelyes]

Shit just got real! Where's my fucking popcorn

[trustme]

I think this guy is a bastard but I can't help thinking this is tantamount to cyber bullying. Maybe this should be in pointless drivel

[Big Dog]

I had assumed based on your early description of events we were talking about a 18-25 yo millenial who still had an undeveloped frontal lobe.
Surprise.
Age is no guarantee of maturity.


Sent via tapatalk.

[tigertim20]

On track to become the best thread on KB ever.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think this guy is a bastard but I can't help thinking this is tantamount to cyber bullying. Maybe this should be in pointless drivel

If someone stole your motorcycle, would it then be cyber bullying to out him/her here?

But anyway....Ken called me this morning. Told me I'd set a South African *friend* onto him! Then he tells me he's called the police, and they told him to come and collect his key.

I said "good luck with that". He turns up, demands his key, and is told "no sweat, that'll be $60.00". He rufuses to pay and threatens to call the police, we say knock yourself out.

I get a call from a very nice police woman asking what the story was/is, I tell her exactly how it all went down. She tells me she'll call him right back.

Ken asks my boss if he'll go 1/2's in the battery...funnily enough, the answer is no.

Ken pays the $60.00 and gets his key back. As he walks off in a huff, he tells us it's the worst customer experience he's ever had.

He was told it was self inflicted.

The end.

[BuzzardNZ]

On track to become the best thread on KB ever.

It just might as that title is now free, seeing as some clown recently decided to move the Shorai thread into PD :crazy:

[TheDemonLord]

If someone stole your motorcycle, would it then be cyber bullying to out him/her here?

Yes.

Whether or not it is Justified doesn't change the fact that this is using the Internet to incite a mob to harrass someone.

(even if by all accounts he deserved a little bit of Harrassment)

[Big Dog]

What a prat.
Shame he gets to get away with it.
This is no different to if some kid getting let of for shop lifting because they offered to pay for the goods.
I have seen a man chased down with police dogs over a pie so I don't see why he is so special.

Sent via tapatalk.

[jasonu]

As he walks off in a huff, he tells us it's the worst customer experience he's ever had.

.

Maybe he will start a 'poor service' thread...

[jasonu]

It just might as that title is now free, seeing as some clown recently decided to move the Shorai thread into PD :crazy:

Don't be silly, Shauns 'I cheated and won several NZ titles' is still the best thread this year by miles. But this one has promise.

[merv]

Typical Pom, got himself a very cheap battery at $60. Boyles were too generous Pete.

[Akzle]

Yes.

Whether or not it is Justified doesn't change the fact that this is using the Internet to incite a mob to harrass someone.

(even if by all accounts he deserved a little bit of Harrassment)

were you here for the mx5 guy?

That was classic

[TheDemonLord]

were you here for the mx5 guy?

That was classic

Doesn't ring a bell - Link?

[pritch]

Ken pays the $60.00 and gets his key back. As he walks off in a huff, he tells us it's the worst customer experience he's ever had.

He was told it was self inflicted.

The end.

And I love a happy ending. :yes:

Kudos to the "South African" who phoned him up? Doncha just love how some people couldn't care less about legal niceties but as soon as they feel it's working against them they squeal to the Police. What a retard.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes.

Whether or not it is Justified doesn't change the fact that this is using the Internet to incite a mob to harrass someone.

(even if by all accounts he deserved a little bit of Harrassment)

I'm not inciting anyone or getting anyone to do anything. I merely stated the facts as they are. You do a drive off from a servo, you get you pic on TV.

Bike shops do shit work in someones eyes, they get slagged off here. This is the flip side of that coin.

[Gremlin]

As the matter has been resolved, I have removed contact details from any posts and do not expect them to be posted again.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As the matter has been resolved, I have removed contact details from any posts and do not expect them to be posted again.

Good stuff.

Pete

[jasonu]

As the matter has been resolved, I have removed contact details from any posts and do not expect them to be posted again.

Thanks Dad...

[EJK]

As the matter has been resolved, I have removed contact details from any posts and do not expect them to be posted again.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=317470&stc=1&d=1448325433

[Erelyes]

Yes.

Whether or not it is Justified doesn't change the fact that this is using the Internet to incite a mob to harrass someone.

(even if by all accounts he deserved a little bit of Harrassment)

I find your random capitalisation of words disturbing.

[caspernz]

As the matter has been resolved, I have removed contact details from any posts and do not expect them to be posted again.

Thanks for leaving the name and pics of the clown in question up there though...:innocent:

Pete has now at least made sure that no bike shop in Welly will do any work for him, unless paid for prior to releasing bike...:oi-grr::facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

Thanks for leaving the name and pics of the clown in question up there though...:innocent:

Pete has now at least made sure that no bike shop in Welly will do any work for him, unless paid for prior to releasing bike...:oi-grr::facepalm:

Ive alerted Jay at TSS Lower Hutt to him.

[sidecar bob]

But anyway....Ken called me this morning. Told me I'd set a South African *friend* onto him! Then he tells me he's called the police, and they told him to come and collect his key.


Im picking it was Robert? Was that you Robert?:laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

I find your random capitalisation of words disturbing.

Yup, its a really bad typing habit I have.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not inciting anyone or getting anyone to do anything. I merely stated the facts as they are. You do a drive off from a servo, you get you pic on TV.

Bike shops do shit work in someones eyes, they get slagged off here. This is the flip side of that coin.

I got no problem with sticking up for Bike Shops, Margins are tight, everyone wants a bargain etc.

But both you and I know that posting someone's details publicly is part of the concept of Naming-and-shaming.

The Shaming part is otherwise known as Harassment.

By all account - he deserved it for being a Knob - but lets call this for what it was.

[Crasherfromwayback]

By all account - he deserved it for being a Knob - but lets call this for what it was.

Calling out a knob. And a thief. Done.

[sidecar bob]

I got no problem with sticking up for Bike Shops, Margins are tight, everyone wants a bargain etc.

But both you and I know that posting someone's details publicly is part of the concept of Naming-and-shaming.

The Shaming part is otherwise known as Harassment.

By all account - he deserved it for being a Knob - but lets call this for what it was.

He chose the behaviour, he chose the consequences. He had choices.

[caspernz]

I got no problem with sticking up for Bike Shops, Margins are tight, everyone wants a bargain etc.

But both you and I know that posting someone's details publicly is part of the concept of Naming-and-shaming.

The Shaming part is otherwise known as Harassment.

By all account - he deserved it for being a Knob - but lets call this for what it was.

Meanwhile, in the real world theft warrants a bit of harassment :facepalm:

Or in this case he gave himself a gift that will keep on giving for a while yet :innocent::woohoo:

[TheDemonLord]

He chose the behaviour, he chose the consequences. He had choices.

What terrible logic: by your reasoning Stoning adulterers to death is okay, because they chose the behaviour, they chose the consequences. They had choices.

[sidecar bob]

What terrible logic: by your reasoning Stoning adulterers to death is okay, because they chose the behaviour, they chose the consequences. They had choices.

Yeah, because getting stoned is how we punish adulterers.
Oh fuckin dear, By your silly logic we are living in 85bc.

[caspernz]

Yeah, because getting stoned is how we punish adulterers.
Oh fuckin dear, By your silly logic we are living in 85bc.

Or present day in select arab/muslim countries?

[nodrog]

Or present day in select arab/muslim countries?

I looked out the window, the only camels I see are the ones the coconuts nek door are smoking.

And our tea towels are still one the line, not on our heads.

[nodrog]

What terrible logic: by your reasoning Stoning adulterers to death is okay, because they chose the behaviour, they chose the consequences. They had choices.

Yeah but that's the law where they live. I'm pretty sure they know their laws, and what happens when they are broken.

Just like our dumb fuck mate Kenneth.

[Tazz]

Excellent result. Often it is the people you go out of the way to help the most that end up being the biggest ass hats.


What terrible logic: by your reasoning Stoning adulterers to death is okay, because they chose the behaviour, they chose the consequences. They had choices.

What terrible logic you have. When was the last time someone was stoned to death in NZ? Shove that completely unbalanced sensationalism up your arse, and have a nice day :)

If you can't handle some thieving fuck arse getting only a slight taste of what should be coming to them then make sure you give the next failed abortion who robs you a sandwich and pat on the bum on his way out your door least you have the indignity of 'harassing' the poor blighter trying to get your stuff back.

The only thing that is wrong in this picture are people like you having such a do gooder twisted view that thieving cock-juggling thundercunts have the right to privacy for their immoral deeds. It's not like he is hard up and stealing food to fucking live and it's not like he lost any teeth.

We'll have forgotten his name by the end of the week but he'll never forget what happened that time he decided to behave like a tard horse.

And fuck yeah for Kiwibiker helping out. Good cunts.

[Big Dog]

The only shame I see here is that the citizenry had to take action themselves instead of being able to depend on the system.

Perhaps people would not sharpen their pitchforks and light their torches if there was no boogy man or if there was someone you could call to get help when the laws of the land are broken.

[Woodman]

Just read this thread through. Whatawanker, and after running a retail/trade business for 15 years, there is one thing I agree on in this thread, and that is that Poms are the most awkward, entitled, abusive, retarded,whinging, England was better because...,tight ass customers we had to deal with.

[jasonu]

Meanwhile, in the real world theft warrants a bit of harassment :facepalm:


But apparently no harassment from the pigs...

[bogan]

Yeah, because getting stoned is how we punish adulterers.
Oh fuckin dear, By your silly logic we are living in 85bc.

I think you miss his point, it is cyber bullying, that is the punishment, that is how we punish such things; should we not first decide if it is ok or not?















But yes, A OK from me, what a bell end, gets a $60 battery that hasn't even caught fire once, then he complains about shit customer service, and rings the cops.

Also, Demon, have you heard about 'peeple' now there's something to get a bit fidgety about...

[pritch]

Have I get this right? Now that this thread has been moved to Rant and Rave, all those threads that whinge and moan about bike shops will appear here too?

[jim.cox]

Just read this thread through. Whatawanker, and after running a retail/trade business for 15 years, there is one thing I agree on in this thread, and that is that Poms are the most awkward, entitled, abusive, retarded,whinging, England was better because...,tight ass customers we had to deal with.

Just wait 'till you have to deal with Israeli's.

They dont whinge and whine like the poms - but talk about arrogant, entitled, obnoxious aresholes....

[TheDemonLord]

Also, Demon, have you heard about 'peeple' now there's something to get a bit fidgety about...

A good idea that needs some refinement - I like the idea of Anonymous reviews for better service - but tis scary to think that I could place spurious reviews for services a world away without any hinderance

[Akzle]

And fuck yeah for Kiwibiker helping out. Good cunts.

your welcome

[bogan]

A good idea that needs some refinement - I like the idea of Anonymous reviews for better service - but tis scary to think that I could place spurious reviews for services a world away without any hinderance

It's been a shit idea from day one mate, primarily with concerns over cyber bullying actually.

And I mean you can't review a person anonymously, that's even stupider than being able to review a person to begin with.

[sidecar bob]

I think you miss his point, it is cyber bullying, that is the punishment, that is how we punish such things; should we not first decide if it is ok or not?


It's not cyber bullying, it's people rallying around a chum that's looked after them & bagging an asshat for being a tool. It's how life works.

[bogan]

It's not cyber bullying, it's people rallying around a chum that's looked after them & bagging an asshat for being a tool. It's how life works.

Again, that sounds like cyber bullying (albeit righteously). To put it another way, how would you describe cyber bullying?

[sidecar bob]

Again, that sounds like cyber bullying (albeit righteously). To put it another way, how would you describe cyber bullying?

Picking on Shaun Harris, who's not a bad prick deep down, just an easy target sometimes :facepalm:
This bloke here is a true tool, if you want to back a fuckin low life gutless thief then fill your boots.
I understand 'book is going off on the same topic hard out, although not a member.

[bogan]

Picking on Shaun Harris. :facepalm:
This bloke is a true tool, if you want to back a fuckin low life gutless thief then fill your boots.

I don't think you are getting the point, there is a distinction between act, and motivation/righteousness. I've been quite clear in my post that I think the cyber bullying of the aformentioned tool is righteous and I have no desire to back him, but I'm not self righteous enough to think that it's not bullying just cos I think I'm right :facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

I don't think you are getting the point, there is a distinction between act, and motivation/righteousness. I've been quite clear in my post that I think the cyber bullying of the aformentioned tool is righteous and I have no desire to back him, but I'm not self righteous enough to think that it's not bullying just cos I think I'm right :facepalm:

I trust your position on this comes from owning a automotive repair business that's been treated this way on occasions for more than the last 25 years. Mine does.
Fuck him, we've all got a living to make.

[TheDemonLord]

I trust your position on this comes from owning a automotive repair business that's been treated this way on occasions for more than the last 25 years. Mine does.
Fuck him, we've all got a living to make.

Le sigh,

Its got nothing to do with what business one is in - it is purely about calling the act exactly what it is - regardless of motivation, justification etc.

[nodrog]

I don't think you are getting the point, there is a distinction between act, and motivation/righteousness. I've been quite clear in my post that I think the cyber bullying of the aformentioned tool is righteous and I have no desire to back him, but I'm not self righteous enough to think that it's not bullying just cos I think I'm right :facepalm:

So what your saying is when crimewatch or police 10/7, or even the newspaper publish names to seek feedback or to inform the public on people they are interested in, its "cyber" bullying?

[caspernz]

So what your saying is when crimewatch or police 10/7, or even the newspaper publish names to seek feedback or to inform the public on people they are interested in, its "cyber" bullying?

I can't see an issue with a bit of "naming and shaming" in this situation. Even our local $2 shop has pics of shoplifters in their front window...

[sidecar bob]

So what your saying is when crimewatch or police 10/7, or even the newspaper publish names to seek feedback or to inform the public on people they are interested in, its "cyber" bullying?

Noooo, that's telly bullying.

[bogan]

I trust your position on this comes from owning a automotive repair business that's been treated this way on occasions for more than the last 25 years. Mine does.
Fuck him, we've all got a living to make.

My position comes from knowing what the term actually means, fuck your self righteous automotive repair business background.

These blokes below get it.


Le sigh,

Its got nothing to do with what business one is in - it is purely about calling the act exactly what it is - regardless of motivation, justification etc.


So what your saying is when crimewatch or police 10/7, or even the newspaper publish names to seek feedback or to inform the public on people they are interested in, its "cyber" bullying?

Mind you, a paper, and perhaps even the telly, probably isn't fulfilling the cyber bit of it.

[nodrog]

These blokes below get it.





Mind you, a paper, and perhaps even the telly, probably isn't fulfilling the cyber bit of it.

so if its bullying, and bullying is bad, are you saying that naming criminals in media is bad?

[bogan]

so if its bullying, and bullying is bad, are you saying that naming criminals in media is bad?

Is all bullying bad? Why do you retards keep overlooking the bit where I said this example of bullying is 'A OK'?

[nzspokes]

It's not cyber bullying, it's people rallying around a chum that's looked after them & bagging an asshat for being a tool. It's how life works.
Nail hit on head. Next they will want to give him a hug for being a victim.

He must be a shit accountant if thats the best bike he can afford.

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[Crasherfromwayback]

He must be a shit accountant if thats the best bike he can afford.

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More likely all his wife would let him spend.

[sidecar bob]

My position comes from knowing what the term actually means, fuck your self righteous automotive repair business background.

These blokes below get it.



Yeah sorry. I'm a bit of a dopey shit. Your uber intelligence has me completely fucked.

[nodrog]

Is all bullying bad? Why do you retards keep overlooking the bit where I said this example of bullying is 'A OK'?

Its probably the bit where you keep calling it bullying.

bullying is what 14 year old dungeon and dragon players get.

Reporting criminals in the media is what grownups would call a public service.

[TheDemonLord]

Its probably the bit where you keep calling it bullying.

bullying is what 14 year old dungeon and dragon players get.

Reporting criminals in the media is what grownups would call a public service.

I completely agree.....

Some people in this thread ARE acting like a bunch of 14 year olds.....

[bogan]

Yeah sorry. I'm a bit of a dopey shit. Your uber intelligence has me completely fucked.


Its probably the bit where you keep calling it bullying.

bullying is what 14 year old dungeon and dragon players get.

Reporting criminals in the media is what grownups would call a public service.

Fuck sakes, use a dictionary once in a while.

bullying: "Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something:
a local man was bullied into helping them"

[nodrog]

I'm blaming kids learning how to "blog", and "report to moderator" before actually learning any life skills on how to deal with shit, for the way this thread is heading.


Oh and facebook.

Oh and Pete.

[nodrog]

Fuck sakes, use a dictionary once in a while.

bullying: "Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something:
a local man was bullied into helping them"

Cool, I have forwarded your dictionary findings to all news channels so they are aware that reporting on fuckwits is now bullying.

Thanks for helping keep NZ a sensible place.

[bogan]

Cool, I have forwarded your dictionary findings to all news channels so they are aware that reporting on fuckwits is now bullying.

Thanks for helping keep NZ a sensible place.

You might find they already realise this :facepalm: But, you know, thanks for wasting thread space figuring it out yourself.

[nodrog]

You might find they already realise this :facepalm: But, you know, thanks for wasting thread space figuring it out yourself.

I think you have outsmarted yourself again with your superior intelligence.

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[TheDemonLord]

I think you have outsmarted yourself again with your superior intelligence.

That show makes me cringe at all the glaring mistakes (like an IPv4 address that started 951.x.x.x)

[bogan]

I think you have outsmarted yourself again with your superior intelligence.

How so? my views, while pedantic, are correct as shown above, my views in this particular case align with your own in rubber stamping pete's actions.

I think it highly ironic a number of people (you could say a mob) are taking offense to their actions (of labeling another person with derogatory terms) being labeled by a derogatory term (bullying). You sensitive snowflakes fucking crack me up sometimes.

[BMWST?]

Le sigh,

Its got nothing to do with what business one is in - it is purely about calling the act exactly what it is - regardless of motivation, justification etc.
its not cyber bullying.Cyber bulling is a random act where people havent done anything to deserve the bullying.This was a bona fide attempt to get some property back to its rightful owner through a like minded commumity

[nodrog]

That show makes me cringe at all the glaring mistakes (like an IPv4 address that started 951.x.x.x)

I know which one I'm picking you are most likely represented by, but I haven't picked Bogan yet. I'm hoping he's the hot blond one.





I liked him in Dawson's creek.




How so? my views, while pedantic, are correct as shown above, my views in this particular case align with your own in rubber stamping pete's actions.

I think it highly ironic a number of people (you could say a mob) are taking offense to their actions (of labeling another person with derogatory terms) being labeled by a derogatory term (bullying). You sensitive snowflakes fucking crack me up sometimes.

I think your computer may be fucked if you think I am somehow offended, but please do go on and tell me how I am, just so I know.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh and Pete.

Lol. That guy? Total sifter.

[Katman]

You sensitive snowflakes fucking crack me up sometimes.

(Says the fuckwit who spends half his time running to the moderators).

:facepalm:

[bogan]

This was a bona fide attempt to get some property back to its rightful owner through a like minded commumity

Through strength, influence, and intimidation; ie, bullying. Or to put it another way, what if instead of pete starting this thread it was some muppet who was full of shit and had a vendetta against one person; would that be bullying?


I know which one I'm picking you are most likely represented by, but I haven't picked Bogan yet. I'm hoping he's the hot blond one.





I liked him in Dawson's creek.





I think your computer may be fucked if you think I am somehow offended, but please do go on and tell me how I am, just so I know.

Fuck I thought I recognised that cunt.

Sorry, it's simplification in term from wrong-but-arguing-in-self-defense-anyway.


(Says the fuckwit who spends half his time running to the moderators).

:facepalm:

That's just me bullying you cunts; don't read too much into it :innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

its not cyber bullying.Cyber bulling is a random act where people havent done anything to deserve the bullying.This was a bona fide attempt to get some property back to its rightful owner through a like minded commumity

Cheers....

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[deerworrier]

I have seen a man chased down with police dogs over a pie.

I really want to hear that story.

[BMWST?]

I really want to hear that story.
thts wrong,the dog wanted the pie

[ellipsis]

...do I get 10 points for reading all of this dribble in one hit?...

[nodrog]

...do I get 10 points for reading all of this dribble in one hit?...

You will get 20 if you can prove you actually read it by yourself without help from your caregiver.

[Laava]

I really want to hear that story.

Might have been a fair bit of blowing involved.

[Katman]

Might have been a fair bit of blowing involved.

We're not interested in what you got up to on the weekend.

[Akzle]

Might have been a fair bit of blowing involved.


We're not interested in what you got up to on the weekend.

maha was up AGAIN and still didn't stop by for a tea and a knifing.

what a sad cunt.

you've been quiet, too, lavalamp. dont pretend like you have anything better to do...

[Gremlin]

Have I get this right? Now that this thread has been moved to Rant and Rave, all those threads that whinge and moan about bike shops will appear here too?
Want to re-assess that comment yet? :laugh:

[ellipsis]

You will get 20 if you can prove you actually read it by yourself without help from your caregiver.

...i'll just take the 10, no questions asked...

[scumdog]

I completely agree.....

Some people in this thread ARE acting like a bunch of 14 year olds.....

"..acting like a bunch of 14 year olds...":shit::blink:

You're flattering them with that, how about 5 year olds, THAT would be closer to the mark.

[Big Dog]

I really want to hear that story.
Not much to tell. Customer grabbed a pie out the pie warmer and bolted. Dog car on the forecourt took care of it.
If you ask me doesn't much matter if he was or not. Doing a bolt past a marked ute shows he is not right in the head.

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[scrivy]

You know his name. Presumably you can get his address. Presumably if said motorbike is not at home neither is he.

I'd give the house key to Nodrog and let him go shit in the dudes bed/fridge/dog/girlfriend for a laugh.

He'd probably pay you.

I would pay noddy to do that as long as photos were taken......:cool:

[pritch]

Want to re-assess that comment yet? :laugh:

Well, not long after that comment things went downhill. :girlfight:

If the mods were to move every thread with the potential to go into free fall to Rant and Rave there would only be one forum on KB.

[Night Falcon]

the internet is still a poor substitute for the birch, tar n feathering, the stocks, and the iron maiden

[tigertim20]

Again, that sounds like cyber bullying (albeit righteously). To put it another way, how would you describe cyber bullying?


Le sigh,

Its got nothing to do with what business one is in - it is purely about calling the act exactly what it is - regardless of motivation, justification etc.
stick ya bloody dictionary definitions, what we have here is a case of community imposed social justice

So what your saying is when crimewatch or police 10/7, or even the newspaper publish names to seek feedback or to inform the public on people they are interested in, its "cyber" bullying?

and this would be the more mainstream justice.

or put even more simply:
natural consequences.

now can we all just hug and be friends?:crazy:

[bogan]

stick ya bloody dictionary definitions, what we have here is a case of community imposed social justice

Which still doesn't exclude it from being bullying :whistle:



Here's a pro tip for dealing with pedants, don't :no: especially if they're right :bleh: Unless you want to learn something :whistle:

[tigertim20]

Which still doesn't exclude it from being bullying :whistle:



Here's a pro tip for dealing with pedants, don't :no: especially if they're right :bleh: Unless you want to learn something :whistle:

the thing about a pedant is theyre easy to get a bite out of

[Erelyes]

the thing about a pedant is theyre easy to get a bite out of

they'r .... DAMMIT

[Jin]

they'r .... DAMMIT
Do you masticate thoroughly or just swallow the irony in one gulp?

[trustme]

So what your saying is when crimewatch or police 10/7, or even the newspaper publish names to seek feedback or to inform the public on people they are interested in, its "cyber" bullying?

None of those or ' fair go ' publish phone numbers or addresses. For me that is where this thread stepped over the line, it went beyond ' name & shame ' & became ' let the mob take revenge ' .

[scrivy]

None of those or ' fair go ' publish phone numbers or addresses. For me that is where this thread stepped over the line, it went beyond ' name & shame ' & became ' let the mob take revenge ' .
But with the internet, even with just naming someone, you can generally get peoples addresses and numbers....
So are the police wrong too as they name people?


Damn phone....

[sidecar bob]

None of those or ' fair go ' publish phone numbers or addresses. For me that is where this thread stepped over the line, it went beyond ' name & shame ' & became ' let the mob take revenge ' .

Stole shit, got outed, bugger.

[scumdog]

None of those or ' fair go ' publish phone numbers or addresses. For me that is where this thread stepped over the line, it went beyond ' name & shame ' & became ' let the mob take revenge ' .

I saw it more as an exercise in educating somebody who was ignorant in financial and social niceties....:shifty:

[scrivy]

Stole shit, got outed, bugger.
Why dont we bring back stocks? I love throwing tomatoes....

Damn phone....

[Crasherfromwayback]

None of those or ' fair go ' publish phone numbers or addresses. For me that is where this thread stepped over the line, it went beyond ' name & shame ' & became ' let the mob take revenge ' .

At no point did I list or show either an address or contact numbers, as easily as I could've. Fair go actually tell you who the person is and show their face on tv...do really need a number then eh. And going back to the question I asked you. If some cunt stole your bike...would you be ok outing that cunt? Please answer that question.

Next...our *friend* called the boss of mine he'd abused and called dishonest, and a liar. Tells him he's since heard he's really honest and hard working...but that that Pete needs to be looked out for. He lost his job at Wellington Motorcycles because of it!

The same guy that called me and asked me to help out because he's heard I'm a straight up honest guy.

Work that out.

Told Mark that he's not scared of me, and would knock on my door anytime he felt like it no less. But the Sth African that rang him...is def connected to me.

Duh.

[trustme]

But with the internet, even with just naming someone, you can generally get peoples addresses and numbers....
So are the police wrong too as they name people?


Damn phone....


It is that next step , where do you draw the line? . We moan about the decline of standards but this thread leaves me feeling uncomfortable, The guy is an arse , no question , name & shame , yeah OK. Address & phone no, you are inviting mindless bumb fucks to involve themselves in something that is none of their business & not in a good way.

If some bottom feeder wants to get his jollies by digging out the guys personal details & taking retribution over something that has nothing to do with him then so be it. To publish this cluster fucks datails make the poster little better than the miscreant.

There are better ways of getting even, best of all is when they have no idea you have just fucked them over.

[Madness]

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[Daffyd]

they'r .... DAMMIT

They're DAMMIT ALL!

[Woodman]

Personally, I would never bring work shit on to social media such as this.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Personally, I would never bring work shit on to social media such as this.

Every one has their own choices to make. I've simply seen too many threads beating up on bike shops, and not nearly enough from shops, on dealing with thieves and assholes.

[nodrog]

None of those or ' fair go ' publish phone numbers or addresses. For me that is where this thread stepped over the line, it went beyond ' name & shame ' & became ' let the mob take revenge ' .

Yeah good point. It's quite hard working out somebodies phone number and address from their or their business name.

[scrivy]

They're DAMMIT ALL!

They're damn it all.....

[ruaphu]

Every one has their own choices to make. I've simply seen too many threads beating up on bike shops, and not nearly enough from shops, on dealing with thieves and assholes.

Yep, totally agree, it's a two way street, some of us forget that at times.

Pete, well played and great to see how it panned out in the end.



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[GrayWolf]

Just read this thread through. Whatawanker, and after running a retail/trade business for 15 years, there is one thing I agree on in this thread, and that is that Poms are the most awkward, entitled, abusive, retarded,whinging, England was better because...,tight ass customers we had to deal with.

just read this..... FUCKU, and have a nice day, ya bloody colonial...:devil2::laugh:

[J.A.W.]

just read this..... FUCKU, and have a nice day, ya bloody colonial...:devil2::laugh:



& the resident pet Pom, on cue - does a classic bit of sarcasm, being so naturally two-faced.. L.O.L...

If the perp' deserves a wind-up, so be it..

[jasonu]

Poms are the most awkward, entitled, abusive, retarded,whinging, England was better because...,tight ass customers we had to deal with.

That's not true. Australians are far worse and not as smart either.

[J.A.W.]

That's not true. Australians are far worse and not as smart either.


Dunno 'bout that.. the Poms over here are as described, by & large.. but as for bloody Seppos..

[jonbuoy]

NZ'ers are perfect of course. Apart from the monocultural xenophobia.